Peter McGuire

Great research Jim

I will get back to the thread after reading more about the Paines

I will say she appears to be a simple looking woman with decent choppers ( legs ) in the interview.

Her husband looks harmless.

Right now, let’s talk about Friday’s 369.96-point jump in the Dow Jones industrial average. Other major indices also had sharp gains.

And that is really odd — especially when stocks were headed in the exact opposite direction immediately after the November jobs number was released at 8:30 a.m.

A retreat in stocks would have been a logical move. The stock market is in a bubble because unattractive interest rates have forced investors into the stock market even if they normally wouldn’t be able to stomach the risk.

Once rates return to more normal levels the flow of assets should reverse — out of stocks and into things like bonds, certificates of deposit and money market funds.

But as has happened lots of times before, someone came to the stock market’s rescue.

I know, I know. This sounds like a conspiracy theory — and that’s exactly what it is.

Great article Douglas.

I have grown tired of those bashing Stone and his movie.

The fact is, the assassination, as portrayed in his film, is far closer to the truth than the nonsense that we are supposed to believe. This being said, artistic license is involved here , and every detail of the film does not need to be accurate in order to make the many the truth.

Take the very beginning of the film, for example Rose Cheramie is portayed as someone who predicts the assassination. I spent a lot of time reading the research on Cheramie and came to the conclusion that she had every reason to believe Kennedy would be killed.

A very accurate beginning of Stone's film. This is just one example of how well the film was made.

Just re-read Jim DiEugenio's article in Probe and it provides a great synopsis of the Cheramie matter. Thanks Jim.

Great article Jim.

Kennedy's legacy includes not listening to the military and attacking Cuba, thus starting a nuclear war.

And having the foresight regarding Algeria.

Every time I think about what the CIA did in Iran in 1953, I can't think how different the world could be today.

December 15 Crude Oil ( CLZ15.NYM ) DOWN to 40.73

DOWN since Paris Attacks ( usually these scum's attacks cause markets to react - stock markets go DOWN and commodities like oil go UP )

WE WIN.

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Thanks Doug

this was a very interesting article and raises valid questions.

More on the markets reaction to Paris

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I am glad the markets did not fall after the Paris attacks, but can't help thinking that the markets were prevented from falling, in order not to allow those who may have known about the attacks in advance, profit by shorting the markets.

Swift action by France, in the wake of the attacks, targeted the oil fields controlled by the Radical Muslim Extremists, who, as it was reported, make a whopping million dollars a day in the black market selling oil.

This scum has money to spread it's evil, and stopping money getting into their hands needs to be a priority.

Any thoughts about my theory that the stock markets were propped up today? There are, plenty of reasons, as you may well know for the markets to crash, yet they do not.

Thanks , Jon for your input.

My feelings are that the conspirators had this movie in mind when putting their killing of our president together.

There is always a focus on "what the patsy was thinking or doing, or what he may have or not have done while he was being framed for the murder of the president of the United States."

I focus on what the murderers were thinking - and become a more clever and devious man doing it.

The President is the chief diplomat, among other very important duties for us.

Trump is a failed human being who borrowed $20,000,000 when he was bankrupt for the first time from banks that he owed money - but felt it was in their best interest to take a chance and lend him the money, rather than certainly lose an amount of money greater than that.

Failing in business is one thing, but being a person like him is another.

If I did not think that there were not enough stupid voters in the United States, I would not be concerned.

But there are.

There certainly were in the Philippines, and read the rest of the history there after inmate Estrada was elected.

This is not Illinois people, this is the whole United States. We don't like our ex-presidents in prison.

• Joseph Estrada, original name Joseph Ejercito (born April 19, 1937, Manila, Phil.), Filipino actor and politician who served as president of the Philippines (1998–2001).

Fake FBI Agents led by Sinatra take over the Book Depository Building ( a retired Secret Service Agents home ) and are also using it as a snipers location in anticipation of the Presidents arrival.

It is interesting how this movie portrays the Secret Service as an organization that does its job.

Of course they have done just that - except for one fateful day in Dallas Texas. Leading up to and including November 22, 1963.

Tragically, movies like this make them appear unable to ever be on the wrong side of their sworn duties.

But their shame will forever be.

A "Stool Pigeon" tips off before he dies about the plot.

Sound like a certain woman speaking to a police officer before Kennedy was killed?

The Book Depository Building ( in this movie ) has now been secured.

( a retired Secret Service Agents home )

I have viewed this movie before, but it is on now and has to do with the Secret Service either being involved, or being used as a deception where a President arrived in the town, "Suddenly."

Frank Sinatra and other great actors are making a good afternoon for me.

Peter McGuire writes:

"I have believed for a long time that this successful cover up is in the best interests of the United States. And while there is so much research that clearly shows why Kennedy was killed, the reason that he had to be killed has got to be something that would shock us all."

Close to the truth, I believe. I don't believe the cover-up is in the best interests of the United States, however. The cover-up is the foundation for modern-day distrust in the U.S. Government. I do believe some, such as Arlen Specter and LBJ, believed the cover-up was best for the U.S. I don't trust these individuals' judgment, however. The cover-up is an ongoing obstruction of justice.

and LBJ, believed the cover-up was best for the U.S. Especially since it was to his benefit and covered his butt.

Very true Ken. He also, I believe, was led to believe that he was avoiding a war with the Soviet Union, since he was fed a story that they were involved.

And then we have McCain who accidentally called the JFK assassination an 'intervention' in the 2008 debates. His dad was pretty high up in the Navy at the time...maybe he told him what really happened and why.

Brian;

Some say it was.

It has been said that " obviously it was in the best interests of the United States to have President Kennedy dead."

I have believed for a long time that this successful cover up is in the best interests of the United States. And while there is so much research that clearly shows why Kennedy was killed, the reason that he had to be killed has got to be something that would shock us all.

By this I mean there were multiple reasons; thus multiple participants in the crime.

Great point Ron.

Kerry is either as dumb as you say, or feels that a limited hangout ( I think ) type of position will get the conspirators through this.

Good afternoon Jim:

If that is the case - that Gore believed in a conspiracy, then it is of no surprise that he lost the election under suspicious circumstances. Gary Hart, I believe, asked too many questions about the assassination or made his position clear on the subject and then had his extramarital affair exposed - by an anonymous phone call to the Miami Herald.

Not a good idea to make your position clear on this matter if you want your career to move forward!

I think Oswald answered to most of this questions in his interview in August 1963:

"When, in this speech and in his Ed Butler radio interview, Oswald mispronounces words and then recalls their proper pronunciations, or makes slips such as the grand gaffe of saying he was under the protection of the State Department in Russia (which he immediately corrects), he reveals that he is misreading texts that he has rotely memorized. Signifying - to my perception - that he is not what he says he is. But what is he really, and why is he claiming to be other? "

In any event, the young man speaking here is not an idiot - or a loner or a loser. It takes a certain level of intelligence to act in this way.

Another example, in my opinion, why the lone-nut cover story falls flat on it's face.

http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/news/the-cia-is-hiding-two-secret-files-on-jim-garrison-the-prosecutor-celebrated-in-the-jfk-movie/

My two persons of interest are James Angleton ( "big ears" ) and Ed Lansdale

Lansdale North.JPG

Perhaps for another thread, but any information on Lansdale's and Medardo Justiniano's hearts-and-minds meeting with Contra affiliates John Singlaub, Oliver North and Andy Messing, Jr., would be appreciated.

I would like to see the Currey biography of Lansdale (1989), which Fletcher Prouty claimed was full of error and perhaps purposely removed from print. The New York Times review suggests that it approached Lansdale's influence on Central America:

"Do we end up regarding Edward Lansdale as a hero? Certainly, in the historical context of Vietnam, he seems so, with his passionate insistence that instead of destroying enemy strongholds and counting bodies, the war should have been waged by creating something that the people of Vietnam could have believed in. Yet more and more, as the book's account of Vietnam fades into the past and the prospect of Central and South American insurgency looms up in its pages, Edward Lansdale begins to remind us of another maverick, one who in fact now counts himself a latter-day 'Lansdalian,' a marine lieutenant colonel named Oliver North." [Christopher Lehmann-Haupt]"

"As Edward Landsdale returned from Vietnam at the end of 1956, others touted him as the best man on counterguerrilla warfare within the three armed services."

Chapter 12 " Interlude : A People's War

The Unquiet American

https://youtu.be/UM3uaXp8DAk

Thanks again, Jim for your research on this matter.

"In the final analysis, it's their war"

JFK September 2nd 1963

Thanks for another great post, Jim.

I purchased JFK and Vietnam shortly before I went to South Korea to teach conversational English in 1995.

Funny thing - I still had the book in 2002, ( must have left that big book in storage, back in the States ) then I went back to the same employer in Daejeon, South Korea in 2006 and my book was there for me as my boss had kept it!

And although I had not given the JFK murder much thought since the late 70's , JFK and Vietnam was an interesting book to read.

I really did not understand a lot about the conspiracy until about 2005, when I lived stateside for a couple of years.

There is so much to read about JFK and what he would have done had he not been eliminated, and that is my focus now.

This is a good question David, and a key issue in the conspiracy. In my opinion, Powers had no choice but to act like he did - if he really ran out of film.

http://www.ctka.net/2014/JFKForeignPolicy.html

Great presentation Jim!!

I have given a lot of thought to Kennedy's 1957 Algeria speech for some time. I agree with you that it does show Kennedy's vision and I believe the world would be a far better place today, had there been no coup.

Your presentation covers more than the 1957 speech by Kennedy, and I really appreciate your work on the subject.

Wonder how he knew who had killed JFK on 11/22 when the world didn't know it until the Warren Report reached a conclusion.

The world knew it by 11:26 PM CST on 11/22. It was obvious then. It's even more obvious today. Too bad you haven't joined the world yet.

That's a good point, David, although an inadvertent one.

Unlike most researchers, who are mostly concerned with who killed Kennedy, and why, I have spent much of my time researching what people were thinking, when they were thinking it, and why they were thinking it. Your video archive has proved most helpful in this effort, so thank you for that.

In any event, when one approaches the case from this angle, it's clear that the media had no idea what was going on on 11-22-63, and quickly tired of guessing. They then decided to sit back and let the government tell them what to think. Meanwhile, the government, by and large, also had no idea what was going on, and then decided it was easiest and best to let the public believe it was one wacko acting alone.

The problem, however, is that this wasn't an actual conclusion, but a decision, a political decision. They then had to find a way to confirm this decision. This, then, led to another political decision--the creation of the Warren Commission. While this commission was purportedly granted the autonomy to come to whatever decision it felt appropriate, the members of this commission were all completely entrenched in Washington, and extremely unlikely to say anything which would reflect badly on the Johnson Administration, or cause public alarm. When one reads the news of the day, in fact, it seems clear that the commission's relatively minor criticisms of the FBI, and the SS, came as a bit of a surprise to those "inside the beltway".

Now, one could argue from all this that the WC was a whitewash of a crime that didn't need to be whitewashed. But nobody really does that, do they? No, those suspecting there was more to it than Oswald are normally treated like idiots by those thinking he acted alone, because those thinking he acted alone "know" he did it all alone.

It's called cognitive dissonance. Virtually all of those thinking Oswald acted alone also claim some inside baseball understanding of Oswald's motivations--that he was crazy, a wife-beater, a dyed-in-the-wool commie, an America-hater, etc. While NONE of that is clear from the record.

In other words, they KNOW Oswald did it, based upon what they actually don't know at all, but only think they know.

Great Post , Pat.

" You don't know , what you don't know" and cognitive dissonance really apply to this case.