Myra Bronstein

Thanks Mike, very helpful. Then of course the infamous Katzenbach memo was Nov 25. It was plain spoken: http://www.jfklancer.com/Katzenbach.html

"...Even with large turnout at political rallies, the desire to move the crowd into an event does not override security, the Obama campaign says. "The Secret Service would never put anybody in a position of minimizing security for any other goal," the senior campaign advisor said. "They (the Secret Service) have one job to do and they do it 100 percent without cutting any corners." http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/st...0538&page=1 'Scuse me while I laugh 'til I cry. More from the article: ""It is of the utmost importance now that the Secret Service provides the most rigorous protection for Sen. Obama," said ABC News consultant Fawaz Gerges, author of numerous books on national security and the terrorist threat. "It is a serious concern for many Americans in light of the historical precedents with Martin Luther King and President John F. Kennedy and Robert Kennedy." To reporters traveling with the candidate, it seems there are visible signs that security around the senator is increasing. On a few recent occasions, armed snipers were spotted on rooftops, including at an outdoor rally in Wilmington, Del., and another in Clemson, S.C., in January. Reporters traveling with the candidate have noted an increase in protective measures, with background checks performed on reporters who have already been with the campaign on a daily basis for months." ... "Obama said that Lozada-Tirado had previously helped the Obama campaign during their stop in the Dallas area, as well. "We all have security details whenever we go to a particular city, and Sen. Clinton and I have Secret Service, but it's all done in cooperation with local law enforcement, and oftentimes we get motorcycle details who help set up motorcades and ease traffic when we're traveling into a city and out of a city," Obama said. "It's a reminder of the outstanding work that law enforcement does for us each and every day." Amen. Sorta. Hoping for the best...

Excellent excellent point Greg. The (seemingly bogus) report of a dead SS agent served as a mechanism to get the Hoover, best bud of LBJ and kindred spirit, to sic the FBI on the case and take charge of the cover up by telling the WC what to conclude. Does anyone know when, or if, the report of the dead secret service agent was officially (by FBI and/or news agency) retracted?

Charles, I really hate to lose you, at least in the context of this forum. There is a middle ground between total withdrawal from the forum and sparring with each and every Mack clone. Like, maybe say your piece and put the obvious disinfo agents on ignore. That type won't be persuaded by all the logic in the world because they have an agenda that has nothing to do with truth. And if you're concerned about undecided third parties being swayed by the propaganda then maybe you can just hope that they can weigh words, the quality not quantity, and decide for themselves. Maybe you can sleep on it, so to speak. Myra

Kathy...you have misquoted me regarding the Talbot book. What I said was that if the Sixth Floor museum store sells it, IT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE "ESTABLISHMENT". That is, they only sell NON-CONTROVERSIAL NON-CONSPIRACY BOOKS. I did not say it was not a good book. Please quote me correctly. I would not condemn a book I have never seen. Jack Kathy, NOW you know that the above is not true. If you think Brothers is a conspiracy book (and I do) then, see, they DO sell conspiracy books at the 6th Floor Museum Bookstore!!! Hi Kathy: Well apparently, perhaps Gary does not consider "Brothers" to be a conspiracy book...... He has never referred that they sell, such as Weisberg's, which have been reprinted and are available, nor any of Penn Jones, nor Prouty, Dr.J.Fetzer's, has he Meager's I forget...as well as others....But has recommended such a Posner's, that has been sold there for some years.. which is the sorriest book ever written on the assassination, with all it's lies, no other word to call them.. Gary has told me and another, in an email a few years back, that he reads the books and then recommends them to the books store, or not.. There have been many in that not pile...and before I am asked yes I do have the email..... So what it comes down to is what Gary recommends and thinks about a book... B.... So how can we trust a book if it's peddled in Mack's sham shack?

In other words, until Cuba allows US style predatory capitalism with pillage and plunder privatization, the US will continue to ostracize Cuba. Did I miss anything?

Fantastic commentary. "Education is free. Not just tuition, but all aspects of education. We are just about to return to free tuition. Health care is free. We are about to introduce this here." History will not absolve us unless, like Churchill, the guilty write it.

This quote says is perfectly. And it reminds me of my all time favorite quote, which is at the top of my sig line.

Thanks Mike. A noteworthy blurb from the article you linked to: "This relaxed security was unbelievably stupid, especially in Dallas," Jeff Adams of Berkeley, Calif., said in an e-mail to the Star-Telegram, noting the assassination of President Kennedy in Dallas more than four decades ago. Others said they had recently attended large political events, many for Obama, where security screening was halted. Jeremy Dibbell of Boston said in an e-mail that he attended an Obama event in Boston at which "the same thing happened there. We waited for hours in line as people were screened, and then suddenly everyone was just allowed in without going through any inspection at all." May I have the distinction of being the first to say on this forum that Obama is going to be killed? When I mentioned it, another member said we shouldn't be talking about it because anyone can be reading this Forum and get ideas... When I heard this morning that Obama was in Dallas, I felt like I was going to puke. There is no way the rich families: DuPont, Morgan, Murchison, Rockefeller, Rothschilds, Bush, Hunt, et al, are going to allow a black man with an Arab name, brought up in Islam, get anywhere near the Presidency. I'm surprised no one on this Forum really thought about this happening before today. When I see him on TV I think I'm looking at a dead man. I can't believe he got this far. So I'm bracing myself and nothing will surprise me. Obama is young. So if he doesn't get near enough this time, there's always the next time. Sorry to say it: he's a marked man. Kathy Oh Kathy, you have so many distinctions; this is but the latest. Clearly the topic isn't off limits, because we have a prominent thread on it. What is incredibly offensive, at least to me however, is your gleeful tone when you write off Senator Obama as a dead man walking. Yes, you were the first you were the FIRST. By all means crow about it. Add it to your friggin sig line.

Thanks Mike. A noteworthy blurb from the article you linked to: "This relaxed security was unbelievably stupid, especially in Dallas," Jeff Adams of Berkeley, Calif., said in an e-mail to the Star-Telegram, noting the assassination of President Kennedy in Dallas more than four decades ago. Others said they had recently attended large political events, many for Obama, where security screening was halted. Jeremy Dibbell of Boston said in an e-mail that he attended an Obama event in Boston at which "the same thing happened there. We waited for hours in line as people were screened, and then suddenly everyone was just allowed in without going through any inspection at all."

Perhaps history repeating itself. Could this be a type of "security probe" before a main event located somewhere else? I worry about the man as he gathers momentum. I worder if he or his advisors knew about this at the time. I do not think they would have O.K'ed that. If they did then he had better get new advisors. I was told by a DP who was on detail that the feds should not have been in charge.. "..they took charge..". Sounds familiar to me. __________________________________ Tosh: excellent points. This story must be spread far and wide. Lots of people have been worried about Obama. Of course it could happen again. And of course Dallas would be perfect. Who'd stop it? Who'd tell the truth? Our press? History has already repeated too many times in our damn lifetimes. A good friend of mine compared Obama to "JFK MLK and Bobby" a few days ago. Perhaps the powers that be are making the same comparisons. No Myra you're not overreacting. "Lone nuts" are everywhere. I think this is also a warning to someone else . Dawn You might recall some 8-12 mos. ago a Ku Klux Klan leader, [if there is such a thing] threatened or made threatening comments re Barrack Obama, the story came and went, but I never heard whether the KKK figure was arrested, detained or held for questioning, which, in itself is disturbing; If the threat had been leveled at a GOP candidate, do you think it would not be widely known what happened then? The bottom line, and that which is patently obvious is that Obama is the candidate of change, not the candidate of the status quo, [see The rest of the Field.] And that my friends makes Barrack a clear and present danger to those who would like to continue the madness of the last seven? [just seven] years. There needs to be an investigation........and at the very least, the word needs to go forth........ Agreed Robert. Let the word go forth... This will be my project for the day, and likely for much longer.

Perhaps history repeating itself. Could this be a type of "security probe" before a main event located somewhere else? I worry about the man as he gathers momentum. I worder if he or his advisors knew about this at the time. I do not think they would have O.K'ed that. If they did then he had better get new advisors. I was told by a DP who was on detail that the feds should not have been in charge.. "..they took charge..". Sounds familiar to me. __________________________________ Tosh: excellent points. This story must be spread far and wide. Lots of people have been worried about Obama. Of course it could happen again. And of course Dallas would be perfect. Who'd stop it? Who'd tell the truth? Our press? History has already repeated too many times in our damn lifetimes. A good friend of mine compared Obama to "JFK MLK and Bobby" a few days ago. Perhaps the powers that be are making the same comparisons. No Myra you're not overreacting. "Lone nuts" are everywhere. I think this is also a warning to someone else . Dawn I guess we're not the only ones reacting this way. Get a load of DU today: http://www.democraticunderground.com/ Multiple threads on the subject, above the fold.

Perhaps history repeating itself. Could this be a type of "security probe" before a main event located somewhere else? I worry about the man as he gathers momentum. I worder if he or his advisors knew about this at the time. I do not think they would have O.K'ed that. If they did then he had better get new advisors. I was told by a DP who was on detail that the feds should not have been in charge.. "..they took charge..". Sounds familiar to me. I think we need to do everything possible to insure that he and his advisors know about this now. I plan to phone and email his team, as well as write letters to media, and post on blogs and forums to publicize this incident. I'm also considering starting a website to monitor this situation. ... I don't know what else to do at the moment. I know Obama's message is all about hope, but this is too alarming to just hope he's safe.

I'm trying not to freak out here, and I've been telling myself that if something happened to Senator Obama it'd just be too blatant... But this is beyond ominous. Am I over reacting?

Or a mind game. The kind of thing that can make you edgy and put you off your stride. Well, I'm certainly edgy now.

As far as I know it's legit Dawn. ... Perhaps it's a warning to him?

http://www.star-telegram.com/dallas_news/story/486413.html Posted on Thu, Feb. 21, 2008 Police concerned about order to stop screening By JACK DOUGLAS Jr. Star-Telegram Staff Writer DALLAS -- Security details at Barack Obama's rally Wednesday stopped screening people for weapons at the front gates more than an hour before the Democratic presidential candidate took the stage at Reunion Arena. The order to put down the metal detectors and stop checking purses and laptop bags came as a surprise to several Dallas police officers who said they believed it was a lapse in security. Dallas Deputy Police Chief T.W. Lawrence, head of the Police Department's homeland security and special operations divisions, said the order -- apparently made by the U.S. Secret Service -- was meant to speed up the long lines outside and fill the arena's vacant seats before Obama came on. ... The Secret Service did not return a call from the Star-Telegram seeking comment. ... Several Dallas police officers said it worried them that the arena was packed with people who got in without even a cursory inspection. They spoke on condition of anonymity because, they said, the order was made by federal officials who were in charge of security at the event." Ahem.

That is really interesting, and plausible, speculation.

Great post Don.

Then there's the niggling little detail of Coroner Thomas Noguchi's finding that the killing shot came from 2-3 inches behind Senator Kennedy's right ear, exactly where Cesar was standing, whereas Sirhan was many feet in front of the RFK. Great post John. This is huge. And once conspiracy is proven in the RFK case, the whole thing crumbles. And let's not forget one of the very first eyewitness accounts of the shooting, from a KNX (now KCBS) soundman. Not exact, but I'll put it in quotes anyway. "When the shooting started, a security guard, returning fire, hit the Senator." I now work at KCBS; I've looked high and low for footage of that night, with no success. Really interesting quote Frank. Aside from the tape, likely scrubbed by now, do you have a reference for this? Or do you just remember hearing it?

Agreed. An opinion is something like what food tastes good. Research into President Kennedy's murder, by contrast, starkly reveals that the official stories (there are multiple official stories) are impossible. Therefore... The part after "therefore" is what we're discussing here.

Excellent response Charles!

Charles, Olberman has an actual brain and a spine, I mean for someone on mainstream news. Did he rebut Mack's Big Lie in any way? Alas, Myra, Keith and Gary seemd joined at the hip. Well then Olberman is a fraud. One's view on the JFK assassination is the litmus test. He flunked it.

Thanks for the perspective Don. I see Noam Chomsky as "fake opposition" too. Although that is being discussed at length in another thread.

I never doubted for a second. His MO is so transparent. He lurks in the shadows of forums for hours a day, targets individuals and pelts them with private propaganda, refusing to engage in straightforward discussion and open himself up to questions. What is the Sixth Floor Museum if not a tangible symbol of an official cover-up? Oh look, Mack is in the forum right now monitoring the situation. Hey Gary, why don't you post if you have something to say instead of slinking about PM'ing people?