Brian O Connor

Could we reach a compromise or Kompromiss on say, "Walküre" which is what the so called German resistance around Von stauffenberg would have called it. But, have to say, the whole thing brings does bring to mind a popular Clark Gable quote.

Brian, good to see your still convinced in your theory, I can respect that. But can you answer something for me? Why didn't Mrs Kennedy or the Connolly's see the guns/blast coming from the interior of the doors? How could the assassins be sure they wouldn't? Hi Denis, sticking with it for the moment anyway. But, the weapon which I believe may have been used was one similar to that described by Douglas Bazata (http://www.nytimes.com/1999/08/22/world/douglas-dewitt-bazata-artist-and-oss-officer-dies-at-88.html) and which he maintained he had used in a failed attempt on Patton in December 45. He described it as being a spring loaded, compressed air contraption which could fire almost any shape of missile. He remembered that the best missile shape for accurate fire was a small cube, and the the weapon was good at about 7 yards. http://www.rense.com/general63/patton.htm I don't believe that it would have made too much noise, and as I mentioned before, the contraption could have been set in a fixed position to fire a predetermined line of trajectory; all that would be required by the person operating it, would be to insure that the target was sitting in the line of trajectory using his mirror. All the best Brian

Hi Bernice, and thanks. I will see if I can find Paul Rigbys article. See you Brian

[/quote/b] hi brian ...''who would be most likely to see it first?'' I imagine only those perhaps who were watching for the signal.if as some say lho could see from the tsbd 6th floor window past signs people and all i imagine those who were ready and waiting could also...you bring up another thought why was the sign taken down after, some did say a shot hit it..and it showed a bullet hole...B [/quote/b] Hi Bernice, for me the first shot is crucial. A missed shot or wounding right at the beginning might have alerted the President and ruined their objectives. And, because I think that the people involved were as clever as they were murderous, I believe the first shot, the the throat wound, was thought up and meant to incapacitate the target, lowering the odds for the long distance shooters. I think that from the position he took up, the UM has made himself pretty difficult to see from all but a couple of the supposed shooting nests. What is the point in making a difficult task even more complicated; squinting through the trees, or trying to catch a signal of a corner of the umbrella behind the sign. No, for me, the UM signal was made to someone between the Traffic sign and the limousine (and it would have to be to accomplish the frontal throat wound) I don't see anyone there firing a weapon and anyway even if it were possible for a spectator standing in the crowd to secretly make the shot, why would he wait for a signal from behind when shooting to the front. The removal of the sign might well be because of a bullet hole; but from which side? I think that Arlon Spector might have had the problem of another missile which even his magic bullet couldn't account for. An umbrella weapon held as it was above his head and fired by someone in a bolt right posture, standing at this distance to the car, just seems to me to be too formidable a task to have worked with the accuracy required. The guy waiting for the signal was sitting in either the driver seat or front passanger seat in the Presidents car.

Hi David, absolutely none taken, and thanks. I have a theory about the back or shoulder wound but I will leave it till another day! See you Brian

Dealy Plaza is such a big place, and all things considered, I wonder why the UM would choose that particlar place to stand rather than say, accross the road , well out of harms way, and in clear view of the Book depository, the grassy knoll, the Daltex building, somone down in the drains, the Stemmons freeway bridge etc. Cause` the place he choose looks to me to be a pretty awful choice, if he were trying to signal someone say on on the knoll, or someone hunkered in the drains for example, obscured as he was, by a great big TRAFFIC SIGN! And, why do they erect traffic signs and where do they get placed? They give directions, and they are set up where they in clear view of the road and easily seen by the drivers passing by. So, pumping his umbrella in the air in front of a great big road sign, who would be most likely to see it first?

I see that the discussion has moved on and maybe my original post would have been better placed elsewhere, but here is a little more info on Mr Douglas Bazata who claimed to have made a failed assassination attempt on Gen Patton. His description of the device that he maintains to have used in the attempt was that it worked on a spring and compressed air mechanism and could fire almost anything, even a tea cup. They found that the best projectile was a small cube shaped missile. I mention it to show that 18 years before Dallas a weapon of this type may have been available. "Bazata's confident claims that a special weapon made in Czechoslovakia was used to strike Patton in the head. The weapon was designed to propel seemingly innocuous objects like metal or rocks at terrific force. This weapon, fired at about 10 yards away, allegedly caused the severe head wound and broke Patton's neck." Douglas Bazata from http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6...g4.html?cat=37: One of the most intriguing theories that Patton was the target of a plot comes from an ex-U.S. intelligence agent who claimed he was paid to kill Patton. Douglas Bazata started his espionage career in 1926 and continued it for over 50 years in the Marine Corps and OSS. Bazata told 450 guests at the Hilton Hotel in Washington D.C. on September 25, 1979, that he was solicited by OSS head Bill Donovan to kill Patton for money. Bazata told the Hilton Hotel audience, "For diverse political reasons, many extremely high-ranking persons hated Patton. I know who killed him. Because I am the one who was hired to do it. Ten thousand dollars. General William Donovan himself, director of the O.S.S, entrusted me with the mission. I set up the accident. Since he didn't die in the accident, he was kept in isolation in the hospital, where he was killed with an injection."[ii] The story was reported in the Washington Star and The Spotlight magazine.[iii] Bazata claimed he was commissioned to kill Patton in a series of eight meetings with Donovan. The Washington Star reported that Bazata's interview was analyzed by a Psychological Stress Evaluator (PSE), a polygraph machine that measures stress in the voice, and reported that Bazata is telling the truth. Bazata said he was paid a total of $10,800 on two occasions by Donovan. He accepted the money and told Donovan that he would kill Patton, but in reality had no intention of trying. He said he worked with Donovan on the surface only because he feared for his life if he didn't. Soon after he was paid, Bazata was confronted by a confident and told that he too had been contracted to kill Patton. Who had hired the other man, Bazata never knew. Why Donovan wanted Patton dead was unclear to Bazata. Donovan could have been the only instigator, or been the mouthpiece for another individual or group"

Hi David, I suppose that having proposed a particular theory I should defend it, but my purpose here is to offer a plausible explanation of a conundrum which doesn’t seem to have been resolved satisfactorily up to now. I don’t agree with the idea that the umbrella man could have fired the shot which caused the throat wound, but I am grateful to the people who have explored the possibility and laid out their evidence supporting the proposition. Otherwise, I would have had to do the work myself. Maybe my idea is a bit “elastic bands and lollypop sticks,” but I think one has to explore every avenue, even if it leads to a dead end. Eventually we will discover the solution; waiting for the assassins to explain how they did it, doesn’t seem to me to be a viable alternative. (I am not inferring that your criticism suggests this either) On the other hand maybe my scheme is not so outlandish considering toxic cigars, expoding molluscs, contaminated diving suits etc etc and other fiendishly cunning plans proposed by the CIA`s finest. See Channel 4 documentary 638 Ways to Kill Castro. All the same, I think that its pretty extraordinary that evidential material which belongs in a forensic lab (or maybe not considering how other evidence has been destroyed) can be offered for sale on the internet. Isn’t this the property of the state? Assuming that it got out during the refurbishment of the car, isn’t there a case to have it impounded or if it was sold to find out who received the proceeds? It may well be that the rugs were removed that night from the garage, in which case, I would be interested knowing why.

Hard to believe, but have just come accross these two items on Ebay. Two blankets from the side door pockets of the Dallas assassinantion car. Per a December 18, 1963 memo (stored at the National Archives) the lap robes were in the rear seat area of JFK's limousine when it was returned from Dallas to the White House garage on November 22, 1963. TWO (2) AUTHENTIC DARK BLUE JFK LIMOUSINE (X-100) BROADCLOTH LAP ROBES/BLANKETS Here is a unique opportunity to obtain a set of ultra-rare historical collectibles from John F. Kennedy's presidential limousine (code named X-100). We have in our possession both of the dark blue broadcloth lap blankets / robes that were made especially for the limousine and used by the President during chilly open-air rides. These lap robes are the only two that are known to exist for that presidential limo. When not being used, the blankets were each stored snuggly in the inside pocket of each rear door (see photo for depiction). The heavy blankets are dark blue on one side with the presidential seal hand sewn into them. The back side of each blanket features a soft gray plush lining. The blankets were each made with 10 button/snaps, used to attach it to the inside paneling of the car or to each other. Two of the snaps are missing in one of the blankets per photographs. The other blanket has all snaps in tact. * Each blanket measures 51" long by 41.5" wide * Hand embroidered Presidential Seal on the front of each blanket measures 6.75" in diameter, reads - "Seal of the President of the United States", and features the traditional American Eagle in the center (with arrows and olive branch) * Button snaps marked RAU-Fastener Co. Per a December 18, 1963 memo (stored at the National Archives) the lap robes were in the rear seat area of JFK's limousine when it was returned from Dallas to the White House garage on November 22, 1963. The auction includes a letter of authenticity from the current owner that describes how he obtained the blankets.

Interesting hypothesis Brian, Ian Fleming would have been proud of that one. Good luck. Denis. I agree, but maybe not so far fetched considering Flemings previous employment. But, to clarify the mirrors idea; all that would be required here is a marker point on the mirror to show that the President was sitting in the correct line of trajectory from a fixed firing device concealed in the door.

Hi Denis and and yes, I am suggesting that one or other of Greer or Kellerman might have secretly activated a weapon concealed in the side door to the Presidents right hand side. I believe that its possible to have done this using the mirrors as an aiming device. Hi Ron, The photos from the Whitehouse garage I took off the net and hope that I am allowed to post them here. But, if one examines these, one can see that before the jump seats have been moved, the door paneling is intact and tucked in correctly, with the chrome bordering at the bottom of the door visible. The disc shape of the presidential creast is fully visible. Later in the sequence is a picture of the Presidents door opened (jump seats still in place) and with the drape unrapped, and hanging down to cover the chrome border. Later again, comes a photo of the drape replaced, however here, part of the presidential creast is hidden from view behind the horizontal band. It is possible to order the sequence in which the photos were taken by following the jump seat positions and the position of white cloth or possibly remnants of Jackies bouquet, which begins in the left hand corner of the presidents seating and moves in later photos to the middle. Here too, is a photo of the limousine from Parkland and another blown up shot of Greer`s rear view mirror, which I believe shows the Presidents seating position to the rear right hand side. I am not sure why the Kellerman mirror shows the odd trapezoid shape in the reflection rather than a fully circular mirrored reflection. Sorry, but I havent ordered the photos below and according to the correct sequence.

Sorry using this thread to expound my theory, but this is my first post and I have to start somewhere! For me, the Umbrella man is / might be signalling to someone inside the limo; either Kellermann or Greer, both of whom have the President fixed in their rear view mirrors and either of whom may be waiting for the signal to fire a weapon concealed within the car itself. (see photos of limo parked at Parkland and reflection from Greer’s rear view mirror showing Presidents seating position. Also, Kellerman`s fixation throughout the shooting with his side door, rear view mirror) The depth of the throat wound (no exit wound), the discovery of a missile (not a bullet) during the autopsy described by the two FBI witnesses O`Neill and Siebert, lead me to the conclusion that a low velocity missile, low powered weapon was used to incapacitiate or freeze the President from close range, (maybe a device similar to that described by Douglas Bazata, which he says he used in a failed assassination attempt on Patton in `45) I can’t believe that the UM could possibly fire a dart or anything else with any accuracy, considering his stance and posture and his distance from the limo. And, from the available photos of the shooting, taken from various perspectives, there appears to be no other person within range poised to shoot a weapon, at the time the first wounding occurs. Looking at photos of the car taken in the Whitehouse garage later that night, there is a picture showing the side panelling drape or covering embossed with the Presidential creast ***, hanging open on the Presidents side door. This is where I believe the weapon could have been hidden. From the pictures of the interior of the car and the configuration of the Connelly jump seats, it is possible to reconstruct the sequence in which the photos were taken. The sequence shows that at some stage before the car had been cleaned and evidence destroyed, the side panelling or drapes were opened, indicating to me that something was being sought and possibly removed from the interior of the door. Confirmation that someone had at least looked there is seen from the later photos in the sequence showing that the panelling/drape has been replaced in its original position. Apologies if this has been addressed elsewhere, but I haven’t been able to find it. *** Dark blue broadcloth lap robes with gray plush lining and hand-embroidered presidential seals in special door pockets

My name is Brian O Connor and since completing a law degree in 1980, I have been living and running a business in Germany. I am an avid student of history. On November 22 `63, I had just turned seven, and the shocking news from Dallas affected me as if a close relative had passed away. Eventually realising that the official story is a lie, has left me with a great deal of cynicism regarding official historical accounts in general, and motivated me to try to investigate history without the spin. I hate the term "conspiracy theorist" coined by the same manipulators who have manufactured the legends to begin with, to ridicule impartial investigation and prevent exposure of the deception.