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    John McAdams

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Pat Speer
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    I looked up the 45 questions in Google.

    Could not find all 45 though.

    Can someone provide a link to all 45 consecutively?

    Further, Ben added a qualifier for one of them, which I quote here: "Just a note for lurkers - John McAdams will hijack this thread to his censored 
group, and knowing that I will not respond where *he* can decide to allow, or 
disallow my post, will dishonestly allow people to believe that he's had the 
last word, and that I won't respond."

    Does this not sound like DVP with me? He continues the "debate" by stealing the thread over to his site, knowing I will not reply there. But using my name as a rubric anyway. Thereby guaranteeing he will have the last word. That is why I call him the Freeloader from now on.

    Third, In trying to respond to one of the 45 questions about the autopsy, McAdams was up to his usual "blame the Kennedys" BS. (Which has been totally discredited by Gary Aguilar.) So he goes to the corner, tag teams DVP (this is at the Pigpen of course), and WC zealot Von Pein actually posts the following:

    "Conspiracy theorists love to harp on the supposed "incomplete autopsy"

    or the "botched autopsy" performed by Drs. Humes, Boswell, and Finck.

    But there's really nowhere the conspiracists can go with that type of

    argument, and that's because the IMPORTANT/PERTINENT ISSUES at JFK's

    autopsy were positively and satisfactorily arrived at, such as: the

    cause of death and the details about where the bullets entered and

    exited John F. Kennedy's body."

    HA HA HA HA HA

    LOL

    ROTF

    Mike Baden is not a conspiracist. (At least not under Bob Blakey.) Yet he himself said that the JFK autopsy was the "exemplar" for botched autopsies. Milton Halpern, the most illustrious forensic pathologist of his era, said the same. Charles Wilbur, another noted pathologist explained how something like 75 things that should have been done that night were not.

    So saying that only Commission criitcs severely criticize JFK's autopsy, this is a giant piece of camouflage, meant to disguise the fact that the autopsy was botched. Or are we to beleive that somehow Von Pein knows more about pathology and autopsies that Halpern or Wilbur? When DVP shows me his medical degree from KFC Advanced Studies Medical Institute, I will consider this. If not, then this is just more of the typical DVP: empty bombast.

    Bombast over what? Two pertinent facts. Namely that neither bullet that went through JFK was tracked. Now to say that this is not an important detail--as he clearly implies-- is more empty camouflage. Because if something is not tracked then you are not sure about directionality.

    Is that important in this case?

    Duh, yep.

    Jim,

    I will pass this on, see if we can't fix you up with all 45... at one time all 45 questions appeared here on the Ed Forum. 2-3 years ago...

    do share these, if you are possible, David. I'd be interested to read this through, also. Appreciate your work. And Jim...you have the patience of 100 men...I've linked to this thread from my page so people can see what good research and thoughtful analysis (and DVP...must include those Authors you cite..) can do to destroy a constant annoyance (EDIT). They should also get a kick with one of his standard replies to this post...roiling eyes, a sigh...whatever he chooses...)..Thank you.

    Dealing with deniers

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Steve Duffy

    Jim,

    The brain WAS partially sectioned. Why are you insisting it wasn't sectioned at all.

    And there WERE probes used by Drs. Humes and Boswell in an effort to track the back/neck wounds, but as Dr. Boswell said to the ARRB in 1996:

    "We probed this hole which was in his neck with all sorts of probes and everything, and it was such a small hole, basically, and the muscles were so big and strong and had closed the hole and you couldn't get a finger or a probe through it."

    You think the neck should have been torn open to dissect the wound, right Jim?

    Well, they didn't do that (for whatever reason, probably the wishes of the Kennedy family to not have certain portions of JFK's body mutilated at the autopsy). So, we're left to guess as to if there was an actual visible "track" through JFK's back & neck or not. But the doctors most certainly attempted to probe the wounds.

    You think the neck should have been torn open to dissect the wound, right Jim?

    We all do...that's the point of an autopsy..like the use of the word torn

    Isn't there....some "mutilating" of the body during an autopsy?....I'm sure it has a medical term.

    R F K: Yes, you can saw open his skull and slice his brain into pieces..but no mutilating the neck!.....

    Christsakes....

    David Ferrie -- Belcher Oil

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    David, always admire your post's...I'd like to see some more come from this..

    I'm currently compiling a massive name-base (updating-or trying to, follow in Mary Ferrell's elegant footsteps..and was very surprised when I saw this Belcher Oil connection...with all the batting away with each other in the other threads, maybe this important lead has been lost to others...I hope I've bumped this to where it need to be...

    Dealing with deniers

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    It isn't held in as much acclaim now, Thomas...remember...there have always been the "book that is the final word"...Posner has given way to Bugloisi...I wonder how carefully those that laud these works actually read and carefully review..?

    Those on the Amazon post are nothing but rabid LN...they are there to obstruct and deny, deny, deny...better to spend time here...at most, they are selling there garbage to what?...20 odd people?...

    Anderson has been caught out many times...ask him about Steve Anderson at AllExperts...and why he denies he is the same person...even Von Pein referred to S V as "Steve"...and this charlatan denies it....if they want a real debate..plenty of room here for them...watch them back out of that offer...(Anderson has claimed he left here...he also claimed he was removed...it's a take your pick type story...)...

    Hope your reading is coming along...it's a fascinating subject.

    Dealing with deniers

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    It appears to me, and from speaking with Thomas, that he is trying to look at all angles of the assassination. For that reason, I would suggest doing what I did, if one has the time and inclination. I would read, choosing from some of the lists presented here and elsewhere, everything you can, and in chronological order...to get an idea of the unfolding information that has come to light over the years. You can narrow this down to a select number of books...but reading the WR and the HSCA is essential, I feel. I wouldn't skip Posner, personally, but, when Thomas does read it..it is necessary to compliment it with Weisberg's valuable counter claims. Understanding Gerald Posner himself, is essential to understanding the book and it's reason for being.

    This is enlightening as it gives one a much broader sense of the disinformation lengths the MM has and continues to go to.

    Dealing with deniers

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    Thomas, Harold Weisberg has a booked called "Case Open", which critically attacks Posner's work and methods.

    "Reclaiming History", is, of course, the LN bible. Bugliosi says a few things about Posner. Read both. Then read the on-line criticism of RH, there are many..the best being CTKA's in depth review.

    Discussing The Mindset Of Conspiracy Theorists

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    Like I said, Lee...human beings are inherently stupid. Your unbelievably stupid and reckless-beyond-belief "patsy framers" are proof of that, it would appear.

    And Lee H. Oswald WAS human (well, almost anyway).

    Let us just thank each other for, once again, wasting each others time and energy and go our separate ways, Dave.

    I suppose the world I live in is far bleaker than yours? I suppose my mental illness where my own government, and yours over there, has been filled with crooks, cheats and liars for a long, long time is just something that I will have to learn to live with and hope there is a cure for one day? I suppose that things like the Patriot Act and Patriot Act II have been signed in to help your Republic and democratic principles of government? I suppose the legislation that was created to stop me protesting within a mile of the Houses of Parliament was done to help save us from terrorism? I suppose these government reports we get given from time to time I really just need to accept as being the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? If there are any glaring untruths jumping out at me I need to just remind myself that it is simply the "kook" wanting to get out again?

    I obviously don't think rationally? If I only reminded myself more often "We KNOW XYZ because we KNOW Oswald killed Kennedy."

    Now that really is a deduction technique that will really help create a better future world for my daughters. "We KNOW Saddam Hussein had WMD because WE KNOW he hated our freedoms."

    Okay? I think I'm ready to be interviewed by O'Brien now.

    Great post Lee...really admire your work, and reasons.

    Discussing The Mindset Of Conspiracy Theorists

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    3 pages so far....Correct me if I'm wrong..but wasn't this, really, about David saying he still has a firm belief in the WC..and has a new pal that does, too?

    If so, that's great, David...be like having a conversation with yourself...

    I'm with Dean, let you're friend come read for himself....

    David causes another circus, and the hoops are jumped through again...

    Meanwhile, if anyone can answer my actual, real interested question that's been pushed back a page or two now for this pointless thread...let me know..

    The Baron and the Paines...

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    Was just wondering, when did DeMohrenschildt first meet the Paines'?

    Am I correct that it was through Edward Glover...in Jan 63?

    It seems the first time was when George and his wife were showing the film of their Panama movie, as depicted it "I'm A Patsy"

    Does anyone have other information....are there allusions to earlier meetings?...or a continuing friendship after the initial meeting?

    Book says Sheriff fired a shot at LHO from roof of County Records building

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    So, John f Kennedy Assassination A Mafia conspiracy.....By Jim Gatewood...first, I really need to find out more about this Dallas County Assassination Review board....second....Lee fired 3 shots..A mafia contract by the Mafia Kingpin Sam Giancana...3 shots hit (yes the magic bullet is true), the second struck JFK in the head...the third went wild, while Lee was drawing a bead on Jacqueline (his second intended victim)...Because of the Heroics of DS Harry Weatherford, from the top of the county records building. He was late for the first 2 shots, but fired at the snipers perch so Oswald missed his 3 rd shot, which went wild and hit the curb...wounding Mr Tague. The DCARB is trying to get the city of Dallas to recognize Weatherford's extraordinary heroics, in saving the first lady's life...some information was provided by a 90 year old mole the authors have chosen to call...the mole...all in 150 neat pages

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