John Iacoletti

2 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:

The JFK Conspiracy Fantasists have people scheming and plotting and planting and lying and conniving and altering and framing patsies all over the place in this case.

You think all of those never-ending accusations can be wiped out by replacing all of those terms I just used with the simple word "WRONG"?

Get real.

 

Sounds like one of the the usual strawmen that gets trotted out when DVP finds himself cornered.

ok, but you're the one who made an issue about Roger Craig knowing something in 1971 that he didn't know in 1968...

...or the x-rays and photos (or the interpretation of same) are "wrong".  But that's a nice dodge.

So, I guess now all Alan has to do is just say that the people weren't l-word-ing about the curtain rods, they were just wrong.  And your accusation becomes moot.

And we're still faced with 3 is not equal to zero.

Your backpedaling is noted.  You maintain (not support) your positions because you ignore anything that doesn't fit them.  And that includes calling witnesses the l-word.

P.S. I'm glad you accept the witnesses (like Rowland) who saw two people on the sixth floor, and that people like Hoffman and Gordon Arnold saw or heard gunmen behind the picket fence, and that people like Adams and Carolyn Arnold had their testimonies altered.

CE 2641, p. 2:

"JONES said that after the driver mentioned this, and from his recollection of OSWALD's picture as it appeared om television and in the newspapers, he thought it was possible it could have been OSWALD.  He emphasized, however, that he did not have a good view of this man at any time and could not positively identify him as being identical with LEE HARVEY OSWALD.  He said he was inclined to think it might have been OSWALD only because the bus driver told him so."

2 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:

The only people who I would label as l-i-a-r-s on that list would be, of course, Roger Craig and Jean Hill.

 

So much for "zero l-i-a-r-s".  That was fast.

On 11/7/2023 at 12:02 PM, David Von Pein said:

I require a total of 0 (Zero) l-i-a-r-s (not counting Lee Oswald) in order for my Lone Assassin position to be supported and maintained.

What utter BS.

Just a sample of the "lying" witnesses according to DVP and his fellow ideologues:

Arnold Rowland
Roger Craig
Carolyn Walther
Jean Hill
Vickie Adams
Ed Hoffman
Julia Ann Mercer
Gordon Arnold
Ricky White
Rose Cheramie
Acquilla Clemons
Bernard Haire
Sylvia Odio
O.P. Wright
Bardwell Odum
Seth Kantor
Butch Burroughs
W.R. (Dub) Stark
Louis Cortinas
Tom Mullins, Emmett Hollingshead, and J.B. "Shorty" Lewis
James A. Andrews
T. F. White
Fred Moore
John Elrod
Jack Davis
Paul O Connor
Floyd Riebe
Jerrol Custer
James Curtis Jenkins
Dennis David
Saundra Spencer
Dean Andrews
Carolyn Arnold
Janet Conforto
Charles Crenshaw
Cyril Wecht
Marita Lorenz
Nelson Delgado
Fletcher Prouty
Edwin Walker
Nancy Lee Fenner
Madeleine Brown
Albert Bogard
Richard Randolph Carr
Saint John Hunt
Waggoner Carr
Kenneth Croy
John Manchester
Perry Russo
Edith Whitworth
Esther Mash
Delphine Roberts
Roy Eugene Vaughn
Thayer Waldo
William Walter

Some other points about Mrs. Bledsoe.

- The sum total of her evidence that she ever rented a room to Oswald :  he wrote his name on a calendar page that she no longer had because her son took it and sold it for $5.00

- The FBI brought the LHO arrest shirt out to her and showed it to her before she testified

- In her testimony she claimed to have seen a photo of Oswald's baby (Rachel) when he first arrived to rent her room.  But Rachel was born after he allegedly moved out.

18 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Do you have a transcript of Markham's exact words? From that I should be able to tell whose interpretation is correct, yours or Summers'. Or my own.

 

See Markham Exhibit 1. What she said was that she was out there for 20 minutes before anybody showed up.

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh20/html/WH_Vol20_0305b.htm

On 7/21/2022 at 12:59 PM, Sandy Larsen said:

[quoting Dale Myers]
For example, it is documented in many places that the DPD received the citizen call from T.F. Bowley at 1:18 p.m.

What would these many places be?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vQE_upmwRKbreGnqpd2MH_s4pKol8A2J/view

1 minute ago, David Josephs said:

The only reports placing a gun in his possession are those of the DPD, of course.

And then only McDonald's.  Everything else is hearsay.

On 9/3/2020 at 2:34 PM, Rob Clark said:

This is James Wagenvoord in the middle of myself and Doug in 2014

Wow, Doug looks nothing like I pictured him!

On 9/7/2020 at 5:06 PM, Richard Booth said:

As it is, we're expected to believe that Oswald loaded four bullets into the clip, fired three bullets, chambered the final round, which would then make the clip empty and cause it to fall out of the rifle.

Well supposedly this clip had a tendency to get jammed in the rifle.

Mr. Edgar. The cartridge clip was removed from CE-139 by Lieutenant Day of the Dallas Police Department on November 22, 1963 at the crime laboratory for the police department. Shouldn't a clip automatically fall out once the last cartridge has fed into the chamber?

Mr. Lutz. This rifle is designed to incorporate that feature so that the last cartridge is stripped out of the clip, then that allows the clip itself to fall or to drop from the opening that you see in the bottom of the box magazine. However, in many cases, and in this particular case, where we functioned the rifle, fed cartridges through it, we found this clip to stay in the rifle after the last round had been stripped and fed into the chamber. Because the lips or the edges of the clip many times will open up, they will spring against the walls on the inside of the box magazine and it will hang up in that area, and even though it is supposed to drop out, many times it will hang up in the box area.

I'm saying that the rifle in the CE 133 photos may or may not be the same rifle as CE 139.

On 6/5/2020 at 11:23 PM, Matt Allison said:

Wouldn't believing that Oswald never had that rifle then also necessitate believing that the backyard photos are fake?

Not looking to offend anyone, as I know my views on Oswald are likely different than others, but just pointing it out.

No.  There's no good reason to assume that it's the same rifle.

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On 4/28/2020 at 6:23 PM, Lance Payette said:

• To repeat: I am well-aware of all the problem areas. I now know far more about the assassination than the average participant on forums such as this. I also have the analytical and critical-thinking skills of a lawyer of 36 years.

And therein lies the problem.  Lawyers don't succeed on the basis of sussing out the truth.  They succeed on how well they can manipulate other people to their own viewpoint with rhetoric.  In a nutshell, that's also where Bugliosi fails.  He was a lawyer, not a scientist.  And it shows.

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Conspiracy salesmen and their minions consistently confuse “reality” with “what can be proved in a trial.” Many of my friends have been criminal defense attorneys. They specifically do not even want to know whether their clients are actually guilty of the crimes with which they’ve been charged. The objective in a criminal trial, and especially from the defense perspective, is not the truth. The objective from the defense perspective is to sow doubt – about everyone and everything. That’s how you win. It makes no difference how scurrilous, false or absurd the doubt you sow may be or how low you may have to stoop to sow it.

You may have alluded to it here, but it needs to be stated outright:  The objective from the prosecution perspective is not the truth either.  It is to sow guilt about every little thing.  A ring in a cup?  Guilt.  Didn't stick around and chat with people he never chatted with about anything?  Guilt.  Whatever the evidence is or how contradictory or tainted it is -- guilt.  Don't worry about all those problems.  They're just normal.  Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain -- I'll tell you what to look at.  The "Oswald did it" evangelists on these forums are acting like prosecuting attorneys at least as much, if not more, than conspiracy theorists act like defense lawyers, and definitely more than "official narrative" skeptics act like lawyers at all.

On 4/23/2020 at 8:28 AM, Bart Kamp said:

Miss HINE. Yes, sir: I was alone until the lights all went out and the phones became dead because the motorcade was coming near us and no one was calling so I got up and thought I could see it from the east window in our office.

What window is she talking about?  This one?  Could she really see the limo turning the corner?
 

And why does Carl Jones' head look so gigantic in this photo?

Bugliosi.  More pages.

1 hour ago, Joe Bauer said:

And relooking through those car port side slats, the bottom third are open enough you could see a person through them in a specific spot and if you hear a car door shut at the same time with only one car next to that person, logically assume they may have placed something inside the car.

Perhaps.  But she said she saw him open the back door and place a package in the car.

It doesn't appear that way to me.  Unfortunately, the carport is long gone.

21 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:

This is apparent in this photo, IMO. I don't recall ever seeing a garage with slats on its side so anyone can see in, or out, but it sure looks like we have just that.

Depends on what angle the slats are mounted.  The FBI photo seems to show light coming though, but I can't make out any car supposedly sitting on the other side, much less the ability to see somebody putting a package into a particular car door.