Terry Mauro

And can't get anybody to fly with him. ********************************************************************** Hey Ron, you're a real hot-shot, aren't you! No, Mr. Wallace happens to be a rugged man, a non-smoker, who'd rather be building fences and corrals on his daughter's horse ranch. His eyesight is a helluvalot better than those of us half his age, who sit in front of a computer screen all day. Let's face it. Some folks are just naturally blessed with a superior gene pool, I suppose.

Afhan is not in South America. Wrong continent. BK ************************************************************************** "Hi I am a friend of Tosh's. His brother ask me to post. I do not have all the details, but received word Sunday that he and Tom Walker his co-pilot went down in Afgan Sat. in a freak storm storm. Will give more details when we receive them. The information came from a DEA friend of Tosh's in Houston Texas. Do not know what Tosh was working on but it was said it was a classified "BlackWater " field operation. Thats all we have at this time." I saw where he went down in Afghanistan with his co-pilot Tom Walker, in a freak storm, on Saturday. Where did you see mention of South America, in that post? In the subject line Terry. ************************************************************** "In the subject line Terry." Sorry, Billy. Sorry, Myra. Guess I wasn't paying attention, and skipped right over that. Now that John's revealed the IP and specs on the poster, I'm becoming a little skeptical as to the veracity of the claim. Also, a few years back, Plumlee's daughter was posting over on DellaRosa's forum, and I do believe that if something had happened to her Dad, she'd have been the first one to have posted word at least here, and if not on Lancer, as well.

Totally agreed about that Ron. I'll accept Peter's assurance that he still flew. But the age factor makes this scenario even more incredible. ******************************************************* "I'll accept Peter's assurance that he still flew." My girlfriend, Janet Wallace's father flew for TWA well into his sixties, and is still flying his private plane around Ventura County in his eighties.

Afhan is not in South America. Wrong continent. BK ************************************************************************** "Hi I am a friend of Tosh's. His brother ask me to post. I do not have all the details, but received word Sunday that he and Tom Walker his co-pilot went down in Afgan Sat. in a freak storm storm. Will give more details when we receive them. The information came from a DEA friend of Tosh's in Houston Texas. Do not know what Tosh was working on but it was said it was a classified "BlackWater " field operation. Thats all we have at this time." I saw where he went down in Afghanistan with his co-pilot Tom Walker, in a freak storm, on Saturday. Where did you see mention of South America, in that post?

Myra, someone could have gotten his computer info very easily: The FBI. It's been proven today that the FBI has been monitoring some people through their own Spyware. Wouldn't Tosh Plumlee be one of the ones the govt is spying on? Maybe everyone on this Forum is being spywared. Anyway, at thecloakofdarkness.blogspot.com I have posted a link and part of the article about the FBI admitting it spies on citizens. The article says what their spyware can find out about you; what it targets. And apparently, it's legal. Kathy Myra, Kathy, This is not a hoax. Tim's wife called Tosh when Tim died, left a voicemail, and did not hear back. I also left one today and have not heard back. This is TOTALLY not Tosh. He cared about his friends here and always returned calls. Sometimes he'd just call to say hello, like he did with me about a month ago. Chris told me yesterday that he and Tim talked recently also. I wish this was not true...but...not hearing back from Tosh is completely unlike him. Dawn ****************************************************************** Send my condolences to his wife, mother, and kids. This doesn't look good, at all.

And they chopped down trees with an ask. ************************************************************ HAH! HAH! HAH! HAH! HAH! Cholley my boy! Oh, Cholley my boy! Your name in pronounced like trolley, Charlie. I still think it's an "off-the-boat" butcher job of the lingo, by the new arrivals to hit the shores. Either that, or the dregs and "dumbed downs" continued to come in search of these streets supposedly paved with gold. They should've been directed to the Aztecs, because streets of Manhattan were paved with cobblestones.

And they chopped down trees with an ask. Unfortunately, I came from a Jersey City, NJ family and I pronounced asked as the A in air then gst. Agst. Mayor Koch made a big thing about New Yorkers pronouncing asked in that way. So I had to learn how to say it right; it's a bit difficult. I notice people from that area often say schtraight ahead or Spruce Schtreet. I had to learn to leave that schtr sound out. This was in my '30's. A girlfriend of mine, who comes from Maine, recently alerted me to the fact that I pronounce tomorrow as tamorra. I never knew this. BTW, Harvey Oswald was not an American. In my opinion. Kathy *********************************************************************** "A girlfriend of mine, who comes from Maine, recently alerted me to the fact that I pronounce tomorrow as tamorra. I never knew this." So did Little Orphan Annie. More like, "Tamahra! Tamahra! I'll love ya tamahra. You're always a day away." Yeah, those Noo Yawka's tawk weird. And, Harvey was either Hungarian or Romanian. "I notice people from that area often say schtraight ahead or Spruce Schtreet. I had to learn to leave that schtr sound out." Hey Kath, are you sure you weren't raised in the black ghetto of Jersey? These words you're describing are definitely Harlem vernacular. Like 125th Street Harlem. Some of my bruthas' and sistas' still go around shucking and jiving like that, pronouncing ask as axed, and "Now, lishen here. Lemme get this schtraight!" But, that's usually when they're goofing on themselves or someone in the crowd, by making a point of reverting back to some kind of ebonics "lazy" way of expressing themselves. More as a way of calling attention to someone who's not acting like they've got a brain or 2 cents between their ears. Similar to something called, "running the dozens" on each other. Calling each other out, for acting or talking like a fool.

Terry...Louisiana people I know say NOR'-LINS (phonetic, note accent). I have heard NAW'-LINS. They do not enunciate NEW and say it as one word. Texas people say NEW-OR'LINS. Some southerners may say NOO-AW'LINS. Nationally it may be NEW-OR'LE-ANS or NEW-OR-LEEN'Z. My observations FWIW. Jack I just listened again to the tapes and a video of him talking to the press while in police custody. That man is not an American. But I noticed one thing: he pronounces the word "asked" the way many New Yorkers do. I myself always pronounced it like that, but learned how to say it correctly. Oswald pronounced it "agst." ************************************************************** "Some southerners may say NOO-AW'LINS." That's the way my mother's family from Georgia/Alabama always pronounced it. Every year at harvest time, they would to take their crops by barge through the Tennessee Valley Authority to the Arkansas, to the Mississippi, on down to Noo Awlins. But, my girlfriend Beth, who was born and raised on the fringes of The Quarter, and my old boyfriend from the Claiborne district pronounced it New Awlins. Of course, please remember that phonetically, I pronounce New as Noo. When I was living on Esplanade, I cannot remember anyone ever pronouncing it as one word, like that chef down there, Prudhomme, back in the 1980's, who ran it all together into something like Nahlins, or Nawlins. I had never heard it pronounced in that bastardized version when I was living there. I assumed it might have been some kind of Cajun extraction of the word, when I heard people mimicking that pronunciation of it. As far as the pronunciation of "asked" as "axed," it's more inherent in the black culture, or in the "off-the-boat" immigrants entering the ports of New York, phonetically pronounced as Noo Yawk, by the populace born and raised there. The Irish in the Canarsie section of Brooklyn, and the Hell's Kitchen section of New York City, were known to pronounce it as "axed."

There are 4 sources that I know of to hear LHO's voice. The Russian tape in 1961 (Kennedy had just been inaugurated); the 2 radio interviews in 1963; and when he was in custody in the Dallas police station. When he was handing out FPCC flyers, I don't recall if his voice was recorded at all on that occasion. I wonder what his first language was -- Hungarian or Russian? In the Russian tape, you know he's not speaking English correctly; it's like he was learning it. According to (I know, everybody hates him) Norman Mailer, Marina said his Russian wasn't too good when she met him but he was improving. If this is true, than Russian might have been another language he had to learn. What was his first language -- Hungarian? -- as the Oswalds were supposedly Hungarian. Whatever the combination, you have to listen to that Russian tape. It's so weird. Kathy **************************************************************************** "When he was handing out FPCC flyers, I don't recall if his voice was recorded at all on that occasion. I wonder what his first language was -- Hungarian or Russian? In the Russian tape, you know he's not speaking English correctly; it's like he was learning it." I remember distinctly on the tape of that radio debate, the pronunciation of the word New Orleans by this person who was supposed to be Lee Harvey Oswald, and a native resident of New Orleans. He pronounced New Orleans the way people NOT raised in New Orleans, or in the way tourists pronounced the name as New Or-leens. When in reality, anyone who's ever lived there, or spent any considerable amount of time there, knows that the citizens of New Orleans pronounce the name of their city as New Awlins, NOT New Or-leens. That was my first skeptical impression of this person, Lee Harvey Oswald, from hearing his voice and speech in that radio debate.

************************************************************** More songs for Tim: "Follow" (Words by Jerry Merrick from Ritchie Havens's first album) Let the river rock you like a cradle Climb to the treetops, child, if you're able Let your hands tie a knot across the table. Come and touch the things you cannot feel. And close your fingertips and fly where I can't hold you Let the sun-rain fall and let the dewy clouds enfold you And maybe you can sing to me the words I just told you, If all the things you feel ain't what they seem. And don't mind me 'cos I ain't nothin' but a dream. The mocking bird sings each different song Each song has wings - they won't stay long. Do those who hear think he's doing wrong? While the church bell tolls its one-note song And the school bell is tinkling to the throng. Come here where your ears cannot hear. And close your eyes, child, and listen to what I'll tell you Follow in the darkest night the sounds that may impel you And the song that I am singing may disturb or serve to quell you If all the sounds you hear ain't what they seem, Then don't mind me 'cos I ain't nothin' but a dream. The rising smell of fresh-cut grass, Smothered cities choke and yell with fuming gas; I hold some grapes up to the sun And their flavour breaks upon my tongue. With eager tongues we taste our strife And fill our lungs with seas of life. Come taste and smell the waters of our time. And close your lips, child, so softly I might kiss you, Let your flower perfume out and let the winds caress you. As I walk on through the garden, I am hoping I don't miss you If all the things you taste ain't what they seem, Then don't mind me 'cos I ain't nothin' but a dream. The sun and moon both are right, And we'll see them soon through days of night But now silver leaves on mirrors bring delight. And the colours of your eyes are fiery bright, While darkness blinds the skies with all its light. Come see where your eyes cannot see. And close your eyes, child, and look at what I'll show you; Let your mind go reeling out and let the breezes blow you, Then maybe, when we meet, suddenly I will know you. If all the things you see ain't what they seem, Then don't mind me 'cos I ain't nothin' but a dream . And you can follow; And you can follow; follow... "The Great Mandala (The Wheel Of Life)" (Peter Yarrow) [Verse:] So I told him that he'd better shut his mouth And do his job like a man. And he answered "Listen, Father, I will never kill another." He thinks he's better than his brother that died. What the hell does he think he's doing To his father who brought him up right? [Chorus:] Take your place on The Great Mandala As it moves through your brief moment of time. Win or lose now you must choose now And if you lose you're only losing your life. [Verse:] Tell the jailer not to bother With his meal of bread and water today. He is fasting 'til the killing's over. He's a martyr, he thinks he's a prophet But he's a coward, he's just playing a game He can't do it, he can't change it It's been going on for ten thousand years. [Chorus:] Take your place on The Great Mandala As it moves through your brief moment of time. Win or lose now you must choose now And if you lose you're only losing your life. [Verse:] Tell the people they are safe now Hunger stopped him, he lies still in his cell. Death has gagged his accusations. We are free now, we can kill now, We can hate now, now we can end the world. We're not guilty, he was crazy, And it's been going on for ten thousand years! [Chorus:] Take your place on The Great Mandala As it moves through your brief moment of time. Win or lose now you must choose now And if you lose you've only wasted your life. I'll Remember You (Words and music by Bob Dylan) I'll remember you When I've forgotten all the rest, You to me were true, You to me were the best. When there was no more, You would cut to the core Quicker than anyone I ever knew. When I'm all alone In the great unknown, I'll remember you. I'll remember you At the end of the trail, I had so much left to do, I had so little time to fail. There's some people that You don't forget, Even though you've only seen'm One time or two. When the roses fade And I'm in the shade, I'll remember you. Didn't I, didn't I try to love you? Didn't I, didn't I try to care? Didn't I sleep, didn't I weep beside you With the rain blowing in your hair? I'll remember you When the wind blows through the piney wood. It was you who came right through, It was you who understood. Though I'd never say That I done it the way That you'd have liked me to. In the end, My dear sweet friend, I'll remember you. I Will Remember You (by Sarah McLachlan, Seamus Egan, and Dave Merenda) I will remember you Will you remember me? Don’t let your life pass you by Weep not for the memories Remember the good times that we had? I let them slip away from us when things got bad How clearly I first saw you smilin’ in the sun Wanna feel your warmth upon me, I wanna be the one I will remember you Will you remember me? Don’t let your life pass you by Weep not for the memories I’m so tired but I can’t sleep Standin’ on the edge of something much too deep It’s funny how we feel so much but we cannot say a word We are screaming inside, but we can’t be heard But I will remember you Will you remember me? Don’t let your life pass you by Weep not for the memories I’m so afraid to love you, but more afraid to loose Clinging to a past that doesn’t let me choose Once there was a darkness, deep and endless night You gave me everything you had, oh you gave me light And I will remember you Will you remember me? Don’t let your life pass you by Weep not for the memories And I will remember you Will you remember me? Don’t let your life pass you by Weep not for the memories Weep not for the memories

************************************************************ "Who headed the investigation who could give such orders?...Johnson, Hoover, Dulles, et al." DULLES. First, foremost, and above everyone else.

**************************************************************** "I am for exemplary writing, and all should eschew crude or coarse language except in SELF-DEFENSE. When unfairly attacked, one must expose the attacker in no uncertain terms. Daintiness is perceived as cowardice." I've got a book I purchased back in 1994 with the title, "The Gentle Art of Verbal Self-Defense" by Suzette Haden Elgin, but was informed that my reading of it, would only serve as a lost cause. Why? Because, I swear from a man's P.O.V. Well, that's how I learned, from my father and my brothers.

We know that John. That's why we're acting like children. ******************************************************************* HAH! HAH! HAH! HAH! HAH! That's what I love about you, Myra. Your dry wit.

*************************************************************************** I just got off the phone with you, Hon. As you know, I went to my mailbox and found Cris' e-mail, to which I replied, as you and I were consoling one another. As I stated to Cris, if anyone was in a state of denial, it was me. I get that way sometimes, when a person crosses my path in life and leaves such an indelible impression upon it. I had no idea until I opened your e-mail first, and didn't even see Cris's down near the bottom of the page. There seems to be such a heaviness in the air, right now. Everything is still and quiet on a Saturday morning. I hear a lone crow calling out on a wire from the lines above, out in front of the house. God rest T.C.'s soul, bless his heart. I'm going to miss him, like crazy. For Tim: Has anybody here seen my old friend Abraham? Can you tell me where he's gone? He freed a lot of people, But it seems the good they die young. You know, I just looked around and he's gone. Anybody here seen my old friend John? Can you tell me where he's gone? He freed a lot of people, But it seems the good they die young. I just looked around and he's gone. Anybody here seen my old friend Martin? Can you tell me where he's gone? He freed a lot of people, But it seems the good they die young. I just looked 'round and he's gone. Didn't you love the things that they stood for? Didn't they try to find some good for you and me? And we'll be free Some day soon, and it's a-gonna be one day ... Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby? Can you tell me where he's gone? I thought I saw him walkin' up over the hill, With Abraham, Martin and John.

********************************************************************** "Indeed, the old adage says that the art of diplomacy is being able to tell someone to go to hell in such a way as to make them look forward to the journey!" A definite art in its own right, or should that be "write?"

I agree, David. You like the F word. I prefer the S word. In my opinion the use of XXXX is not swearing. XXXX describes something foul and smelly. Rather than beat around the bush with euphemisms, I prefer to say that the excrement some pass off as research is XXXX. The purveyor is full of XXXX. If he constantly emits these excretions, I see nothing wrong with saying he is an XXXXXXX the SOURCE of XXXX. The body of the work of an XXXXXXX is a XXXXXXXXXXXX. It may be impolite, but it is not swearing. It is just an honest description of a smelly product. Anyone who censors my right to use this word is full of ....XXXX. Jack Here we are in a forum about swearing, and you post in capital letters, no less, several objectionable words. Please delete these or we will. We don't want to have to delete what you write , but you should not be allowed to do this if it is forbidden for others to do. Kathy I agree. Done. Jack, go curse elsewhere! Antti xxxx is a perfectly legitimate dictionary word for smelly excrement. This is blatant censorship of the worst kind. Sort like the CIA and their black markers on XXXX documents that expose XXXXX! I protest this gagging of XXXXXXX free speech! Moderators? XXXXXXX CENSORS! Jack Sir, you just do that to be difficult, don't you? Kathy XXXXXXX Moderator No. I believe in freedom of speech and it should be protected from censors who believe in "correctness". Apparently the XXXXXXXXXX "moderators" do not. Bodily functions are not swearing. XXXX describes smelly excrement, which is what the "moderators" are more concerned with than XXXXXX XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX evidence. Jack PS...may I ask what a XXXXXX Moderator is? I am not very good at reading XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXX redactions. ************************************************************ Since we seem to be back to whipping this dead horse once again... My all time favorite is, Jesus H. Christ! But, when I'm really in a state of "KILL THE MOFO!" Oh, and BTW Mofo is an acronym my bruthas' and sistas' turned me onto back in 60's. It's short for muthafxxka. As I was saying, whilst in a state of road rage, or having to deal with some imbecilic moron who wouldn't know his rectum from a hole in the ground, well fxxkin' axxhole works just fine for me. Being the crude and rude "ugly American" that I am. Keeps me from getting an ulcer, actually. But, these days I've taken to cultivating the fine art of verbal offense sans the cuss words. It's quite exhilarating, and who knows? One day it might be found to keep you from getting Alzheimer's, I'm sure. Anyhoola, I hope I used enough xxx's.

******************************************************************** Ron, this is outstanding! Thank you, so much for posting this relevant information. I've taken the liberty of quoting, and bolded some of the passages of the review that I thought were important enough and needed to be stressed. I hope you don't mind. Before I go any further could you clarify something for me regarding the person, Robert Blakey? "His name was Robert Blakey and his book Fatal Hour presented " a compelling case for a darker interpretation of Camelot." (Ibid)" Any relation to G. Robert Blakey? The rest is superb writing, thanks to Jim DiEugenio: Finally, in this regard, I must comment on the book's treatment of JFK and Mary Meyer. I was quite surprised that, as with Sheridan, Talbot swallowed the whole apple on this one. As I have written, (The Assassinations pgs 338-345), any serious chronicler has to be just as careful with this episode as with Judith Exner -- and to his credit, Talbot managed to avoid that disinformation filled land mine. Before criticizing him on this, and before I get smeared by people like Jon Simkin, I want to make a public confession. I actually believed the Meyer nonsense at one time. In fact, to my everlasting chagrin, I discussed it -- Timothy Leary and all -- at a talk I did in San Francisco about a year after Oliver Stone's JFK came out. It wasn't until I began to examine who Leary was, who his associates were, and how he fit into the whole explosion of drugs into the USA in the sixties and seventies that I began to question who he was. In light of this, I then reexamined his Mary Meyer story, and later the whole legerdemain around this fanciful tale. Thankfully, Talbot does not go into the whole overwrought "mystery" about her death and her mythologized diary. But he eagerly buys into everything else. Yet to do this, one has to believe some rather unbelievable people. And you then have to ignore their credibility problems so your more curious readers won't ask any questions. For if they do the whole edifice starts to unravel. Foremost among this motley crew is Leary. As I was the first to note, there is a big problem with his story about Meyer coming to him in 1962 for psychedelic drugs. Namely, he didn't write about it for 21 years previous --until 1983. He wrote about 25 books in the meantime. (Sort of like going through 25 FBI, Secret Service, and DPD interviews before you suddenly recall seeing Oswald on the sixth floor.) Yet it was not until he hooked up with the likes of Gordon Liddy that he suddenly recalled, with vivid memory, supplying Mary with LSD and her mentioning of her high official friend and commenting, "They couldn't control him any more. He was changing too fast" etc. etc. etc. Another surprising source Talbot uses here is none other than CIA counter-intelligence chief James Angleton, the guy who was likely handling Oswald until 1962. Talbot actually quotes the nutty Cold Warrior, Kennedy antagonist and Warren Commission cover up artist waxing poetic about Kennedy being in love with Mary: "They were in love ... they had something very important." (p. 199) This from a man who, later on, Talbot admits loathed JFK and actually thought he was a Soviet agent.! (p. 275). A further dubious source is Jim Truitt, the former friend of Ben Bradlee who used to work for him at the Washington Post and was also friends with Angleton. Consider: Truitt had been trying to discredit President Kennedy while he was alive by saying he was previously married and had it covered up. In fact, he had pushed this fatuous story on Bradlee. And it appears that Truitt then started the whole drug angle of the story as a way of getting back at Bradlee and the Post for firing him. By 1969 he was so unstable that his wife sought a conservatorship for him and then divorced him in 1971. Truitt tried to get a job with the CIA and when he did not he moved to Mexico into a colony of former CIA agents. There he grew and smoked the mescaline-based hallucinogenic drug peyote. This was his sorry state when he first reported to the press about the "turned on" Meyer/JFK romance. He then shot himself in 1981. Here you have a guy who was a long-time Kennedy basher, became mentally unstable, was a CIA wannabe, and was planting and taking hallucinogenics with other CIA agents-- and then accuses JFK of doing the same, 14 years after the fact. Some witness, huh? I don't even want to mention the last major source Talbot uses to complete this rickety shack. I have a hard time even typing his name. But I have to. Its sleazy biographer David Heymann. Heymann wrote one of the very worst books ever published on Bobby Kennedy, and has made a lucrative career out of trashing the Kennedy family. For me, Heymann is either a notch above or below the likes of Kitty Kelley. But when you're that low, who's measuring? "The worst chapter in the book, by far, is entitled "New Orleans". This is allegedly about Robert Kennedy's reaction to the investigation of the JFK case by local DA Jim Garrison. I have to use the word "allegedly" here because it seems to me that Talbot started this chapter with an assumption in mind and then piled the material in to fill out that assumption -- whether it actually did or not. Authors get in trouble when they shoehorn evidence to fit a preordained verdict. And this chapter seems to me to be troublesome from the start. One problem seems to be a hangover from the David Talbot of 1992, the man who thought that Blakey was the ultimate authority on the JFK case and Garrison was somewhere between a circus clown and a charlatan. To say the least, the releases of the ARRB have not borne this out. And, to his credit, the author seems to have amended this judgment a bit. In spite of that, he presages his New Orleans chapter by calling it "a gaudy Louisiana legal spectacle" (p. 308). The whole first page of his introduction to Garrison the man is in a similar vein and he plays this off against the standard packaged tourist image of New Orleans pre-Katrina. (p. 319) When he introduces Garrison's investigation it is essentially more of the same. For instance, about the arrest of Clay Shaw, Talbot writes, "But to Garrison, he was a CIA-linked international businessman. . .." Today, there can be no "buts" about it. Shaw was not just "linked" to the CIA, he worked for them. We have this not just from the declassified files, but from FBI agent Regis Kennedy, who said, in referring to Shaw's association with Permindex, that Shaw was a CIA agent who had worked for the Agency in Italy. (Let Justice Be Done, by William Davy, p. 100) To further downplay the importance of what Garrison uncovered, Talbot quotes former RFK aide, Ed Guthman. Guthman was working as an editor for the Los Angeles Times in early 1967. He tells Talbot that he sent his ace reporters to New Orleans and they discovered that Garrison had no evidence for his charges. Guthman calls them "great reporters". If Talbot would have dug a little deeper he would have found out a couple of interesting things these "great reporters" had done. One of the "great" reporters was Jack Nelson. Nelson's source for Garrison not having any evidence was former FBI agent and Hoover informer Aaron Kohn. Kohn was, among other things, an unofficial assistant to Shaw's defense team. Another of Guthman's "great" reporters was Jerry Cohen. Cohen cooperated with FBI informant Larry Schiller in keeping Garrison from extraditing Loran Hall. This cooperation extended up to flying with Hall to Sacramento to speak to Edwin Meese. Further, Cohen kept up a correspondence with Shaw's lawyers and even Shaw himself. This is great reporting? By page 325, we see why Talbot has set things up this way. And this directly relates to Talbot's portrait of Walter Sheridan. I was going to write that it is so warm and fuzzy that it could have been written by Sheridan's family. But I can't write that because, in large part, it was written by Sheridan's family. Namely his widow and son. Talbot interviewed the woman five times and uses her profusely and without question. Now if you are going to use people like Guthman, and Sheridan's family to profess to his good character, it leaves you with a serious problem. You now have to explain all the ugly and unethical things Sheridan did to destroy Garrison. Talbot achieves this in two ways: 1.) By recycling debunked mainstream media deceptions, and 2.) By leaving out integral parts of the story. Concerning the former, Talbot tries to excuse Sheridan by saying that Sheridan thought Garrison was ignoring mobster Carlos Marcello. He even goes as far as saying that Garrison gave Marcello a "free pass" and referred to him as a "respectable businessman" (p. 327) This canard has been exposed for years, in fact for over a decade. Garrison busted at least three bars in New Orleans which were run either by Marcello or his associates. (Davy, pgs 154-155) Talbot does not source his "businessman" quote, but it appears he has confused Garrison with one or more local FBI agents. And it is not true that Garrison never investigated the Mafia aspect, he did. (He actually wrote a memo on it.) But he came to the conclusion, as many others have, that the Mob was a junior partner in the crime, not the engine running the machine. Talbot then writes something even more unsubstantiated. He says that what really got Sheridan upset with Garrison is that Garrison had somehow discovered the CIA Castro assassination plots, and how they might have backfired against JFK. For one, in the book's own terms, this is illogical. For this chapter, Talbot now writes that the plots had been "supervised by Bobby". Yet, he has clearly established previously, and convincingly, that this was not the case. The CIA had done them on their own. Secondly, I have been through a large part of the extant Garrison files. His son Lyon Garrison allowed me to copy them in New Orleans. I then had them shipped to Los Angeles and filed them in chronological and subject order. I found no evidence that Garrison himself had discovered these CIA managed plots in early 1967, which would have to be true if Talbot's thesis is to hold water. Interestingly, Talbot gives no source for Sheridan's knowledge of what Garrison was on to or how he discovered it. Even more interesting, he avoids mentioning the famous Jack Anderson/Drew Pearson story, which aired at the time. This story actually did mention the CIA plots, and did say that RFK was involved with them. And considering Anderson's role as an FBI informant on Garrison, it was probably done to confuse the DA. But there is no evidence Garrison ever took the (false) insinuation of RFK's involvement seriously. Having no factual basis for this concept, Talbot then uses the bare assumption as the excuse for why Sheridan went to the CIA to get their input on Garrison. By this time, I had become quite curious as to why Talbot was cutting Sheridan so much slack. So I flipped a few pages forward and discovered the reason. The book maintains that Sheridan in New Orleans was not acting as any kind of intelligence operative, but rather on RFK's behalf. He goes on like this for a couple of paragraphs -- quoting Sheridan's reliable wife again--and then comes this stunning statement: "And there is no evidence Sheridan and agency officials did in fact end up joining forces against the DA." (p. 331) When I read that my eyes popped. Consider: in a legal deposition, among other places, Gordon Novel admitted that he was being paid by Sheridan on a retainer basis for spying on Garrison. Since Novel was writing letters to people like Richard Helms at the time, it's fair to say he was working with the Agency. Further, Garrison discovered that Sheridan was getting the expense money for people like Novel through a local law firm, which was laundering it for the CIA. And a declassified FBI memo reveals that NBC had given instructions that the special was meant to "shoot him [Garrison] down". Further in Robert Kennedy and his Times, Arthur Schlesinger quotes Kennedy as saying that it was NBC who sent Sheridan to New Orleans, and further that he felt Garrison might be on to something. (p. 616) As many commentators have noted, including Carl Bernstein -- who Talbot uses (p. 390) -- the major networks worked with the CIA on issues like defending the Warren Report. And the chairman of NBC at the time, General David Sarnoff, had worked in intelligence during World War II. In a further imbalance, Talbot barely discusses Sheridan's intelligence background, devoting all of two sentences to it. (p. 330) I could go into much more length about Sheridan's activities in New Orleans, and how they continued even after RFK was dead. And I could point out even more errors Talbot makes on this issue. For instance, he writes that Garrison "turned the tables" on Sheridan and arrested "him for bribing witnesses. (The charges were later dropped.)" (p. 329) Thus he insinuates that it was Garrison who was bribing witnesses and not Sheridan. Which is exactly wrong. (Davy on pgs 135-137 chronicles some of Sheridan's efforts in this aspect.) Further, the charges were not dropped. Sheridan got an entourage of proven CIA affiliated lawyers for his defense. (Ibid, p. 143) And in a recurrent tactic, they got the charges switched to federal court where they were eventually thrown out. Finally, let me make one more cogent observation about Sheridan. He clearly did not like Garrison's focus on the CIA in the JFK case. He then worked a lot with the HSCA, Dan Moldea, and Robert Blakey pushing the Mafia/Hoffa angle, which was certainly prominent in the HSCA Report and volumes. Yet on the day the report was issued Marcello's lifelong friend, lobbyist Irving Davidson, told an acquaintance that he had talked to Sheridan and that he agreed that the HSCA report was a piece of crap too. (Vincent Bugliosi, Reclaiming History, p. 1175) So if Sheridan did not believe the CIA was involved, and he thought Blakey's focus on the Mafia was B.S., what did he believe then? The Warren Report maybe? The mystery of Walter Sheridan -- who he was, and why he did what he did -- is a long, serious, and complex one. Talbot does not even begin to plumb its depths. For that reason, among others, I believe -- and I can demonstrate -- that every tenet of this chapter is just plain wrong."

**************************************************************************** Thanks, John. These are real eye openers, for sure. I think I'll pen an open letter to Fidel this weekend. Maybe, send him my resume, even. Remember, during and after Hurricane Katrina when he had 3000 Cuban physicians ready to send to the Gulf States to help with the devastation, and the U.S. gov. turned him down! This country's government and its fascist regime is what's really SICKO. I'll be glad to get the hell out of this hole. It's easy to forget how other country's have it a helluvalot better than this one. Especially, when Mockingbird censors anything coming in that may shed some light on the problem here and open the eyes of their "walking dead" populace. And, all the while the Mockingbird media apparatus carries on about how well off America is. Compared to where? Africa? Capitalistic Russia? Afghanistan? The rubble heap we've made of Persian Gulf? Well, hell yeah. But, how about giving us some stats from Britain, Sweden, or the other European sectors that seem to have a better handle on universal coverage, than this sorry-ass, embarrassing poor excuse of a "democratic republic." Hello?

******************************************************************* Thank you, Don, Stephen, and David, for your kind words. I eventually will expatriate from this American Nightmare, I figure in about 8 years. That'll be about the time I'll be able to beef up my Social Security pension with some of my ex-husband's, who divorced me, BTW. This is a little known fact that was just told me by a friend of mine, who's husband works for the gov., and also was more or less confirmed by another childhood friend of mine who is a retired FBI agent. Apparently, I have to wait in order to catch up with my ex, who turns 50 in October, so it'll be closer to his retirement age. But, you know what? So what! I can still collect and continue to work, as long as I make under 30 grand a year. Hopefully, I'll be able to get the $2000.00 a month stipend. And, then that'll be when I finally get to hit the road, for good. So, keep your eyes peeled in the not too distant future. You may find Terry headed down your block to your house to take you out to dinner. Things may be looking brighter before we know it. Ter

***************************************************************** I just loathe replying to myself, but I did get this back and would like to share it. Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:57:00 -0400 To: tmauro@pacbell.net Subject: Thank You From: "Democracy for America" <info@democracyforamerica.com> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert Dear Theresa, Thank you for signing our Sicko Petition for Health Care and submitting your own health care horror story. Please take a minute to forward the message below to your contacts. - The DFA Team Greetings! With over 45 million people uninsured and health care costs sometimes double what people pay in other countries, we still lead the way as the only industrialized county without a universal coverage system. Isn`t it time to fix the Health Care crisis in America? In SiCKO, my new documentary opening in theaters nationwide tomorrow, June 29, I expose the truth about Health Care in America and audiences are already standing up and demanding change. I love the hard work Democracy for America members do. You are the boots on the ground working for progressive change year after year. You understand that when we get local and speak up, there is no stopping our movement. And now that the entire insurance industry is working on overdrive to confuse the facts and keep Congress from enacting any health care reforms, I know I can count on DFA to fight back and get the job done. Please sign the petition demanding Health Care for America right now: http://www.democracyforamerica.com/sicko In SiCKO, I highlight numerous health care horror stories (you can watch the trailer at the above petition link). Real events that happened to real people. And to make it worse, they all had health care. Our system is broken. The change we need isn`t going to come from little tweaks and lobbyist funded think tanks. Real change will come from you and me working together, telling our stories, and demanding action. That`s why Congress needs to hear from you. How has the health care crisis affected you and your family? Do you have a health care horror story? Sign the petition demanding health care for all Americans and share your story. While you`re at it watch the trailer for SiCKO and search for a screening with other DFA members near you. http://www.democracyforamerica.com/sicko The petition is only the beginning. Over the rest of summer, DFA members will organize health care forums in their local community, hold meetings with their Congressional representatives, and keep the pressure on the Democratic candidates for president. I`m proud to have Democracy for America members turning my movie into an agent for change. Thank you for making it happen! Alright now go get some popcorn and meet me at the multiplex. Be well, Michael Moore /---------------------------------------------\ |Paid for by Democracy for America, |www.democracyforamerica.com , |and not authorized by any candidate. |Contributions to Democracy |for America are not deductible for |federal income tax purposes. \---------------------------------------------/ Delete Reply Forward Spam Move... Previous | Next | Back to Messages

******************************************************************* "She supported George W. Bush for president in 2000, donating $5,000 from Tecon Corp --" "Did Shannon know about her father-in-law's connection to the Kennedy Assassination?" Take a look at her age, and the fact that she's a Bush supporter, which leads me to believe that she probably bought the Warren Commission Lie hook, line, and sinker.

*************************************************************************** He also brought electricity to the rural south during, and following The Depression, and World War II. I believe he was more a victim of circumstances when it comes to what happened to JFK, and even with the escalation of Vietnam. I honestly don't believe he actually realized what was going to happen. And, I find it inconceivable that he would have condoned it, or that it even needed his final seal of approval. It was out of his hands. Everything he was supposed to have said at the Murchison's house that night was out of sheer bravado, and more than likely aimed at RFK. Players such as Hoover, Dulles, Helms, and the rest of that team of operators, had LBJ's Achilles' heel, with all they had on him concerning prior corruption, wheeling and dealing, and Bobby Baker. I still believe he was nothing more than a corn pone hayseed who made good, strictly on his reputation as an early politician who originally set about to help the poor workers of The Depression Era. Somewhere along the way, from the early 1950's through the 1960's he made some dishonest deals, that may have even involved murder, but I'm not convinced that he was totally unaware of the havoc that was being wrought in his name. Yet, by the time he may have become aware, or learned of what his handlers had partaken in to keep him elected and in office, he more than likely found that he was in too deep, over his head, and owed too many to have been able to extract himself from the tangled web he had woven for himself. I also think that Lady Bird was merely a product of her times and of her own family's legacy. It must have been hard, even seemed futile at times, to have to stand in the footsteps JFK and Jackie had left imprinted on The White House, as well as on the heart and memory of a whole nation that had been thrust into a perpetual state of mourning. "Convince a person against their will, and they are of the same opinion still." LBainesJ was a SOAB. LBirdJ was just plain old "B". I got LOTS of lowdown on her from the late Madeleine Brown. After LBJ died, it was Bird who managed to get cut off LBJ's monthly stipend to his son, Steven Brown. Madeleine also believed it was she who had Steve "kidnapped" and injected with cancer cells. She knew about Lyndon's other love children, and used it for blackmail. She was his partner in crime. Lots more, according to Madeleine. Jack ********************************************************************** "Lots more, according to Madeleine." Words spoken of a "woman scorned," perhaps? Listen, Jack. I'm not advocating these people. I'm merely trying to put another slant on it because I don't follow the trail to Dallas, I follow it to Wall Street. But to get back to the case in point, LBJ was responsible for bringing NASA, and aeronautical research to the southland [Houston, Cape Kennedy]. Also, there were more casualties and deaths under Nixon's term, than under LBJ's. And, it was Nixon who expanded the war into Cambodia, destabilizing that country, and causing a multi-million person genocide. If the Joseph Alsop/LBJ transcripts of their telephone conversations concerning the creation of the Warren Commission are correct, then LBJ is extremely peripheral, or not involved, at all, in the assassination, except for aforeknowledge from Dulles and the Brown Brothers of Tejas. If anything, LBJ was an unwitting tool to get JFK down to Tejas into the killing field. And, if anyone should get a finger pointed at them it should be ["future" Republican party man] Connally. Maybe, Connally saw the future. Republicans were going to take control [wink, wink] via their dirty tricks campaigns. "Madeleine also believed it was she who had Steve "kidnapped" and injected with cancer cells." Statements, such as that one, only serve to give credence to what Judyth says she was involved in. "She knew about Lyndon's other love children, and used it for blackmail. She was his partner in crime." Blackmail? Of whom? Women claiming that LBJ fostered their illegitimate children? It sounds as if these women were looking to blackmail him, and Bird was only doing her part in looking out for her own family's "best interests." I'm sure it ain't as cut and dry as Madeleine Brown claimed. Thanks, Terry. Madeleine did not consider herself "a woman scorned". She still "loved" Lyndon till the end, despite knowing of his crimes. She considered Lady Bird a witch. Regarding young Steve suddenly contracting cancer and dying...I was around when it happened. Madeleine and Steve had been attending Jim Marrs' classes on the assassination, along with Jean Hill, and we all got to know them well. Steve was the image of "young Lyndon" of photographs. One Thursday night, only Jean showed up, and told the class that Madeleine had called her in a panic...STEVE HAD DISAPPEARED from Dallas. To make a long story short, about a month later, she discovered that STEVE WAS IN A HOSPITAL IN WASHINGTON DC, SUFFERING FROM AN UNKNOWN ILLNESS. How he got there was a mystery. In a few months she returned to the classes, quiet and subdued, and would not talk about Steve. About a year later he had died from cancer. She connected his strange disappearance with his death. Not many youths his age die of cancer. She blamed Lady Bird for arranging Steve's death. As for other love children, she only mentioned one (THIS IS UNVERIFIABLE) and I will repeat only what she told me. One of Lyndon's other mistresses (Madeleine thought there were several) in HOUSTON became pregnant, and Lyndon "arranged for her to marry his friend Jack Valenti". According to Madeleine Lady Bird was very aware of Lyndon's indiscretions and used them to her advantage. Maybe blackmail is not the right word, but Bird used her knowledge to influence Valenti to stay in line after LBJ was gone, according to Madeleine. She possibly also used what she knew to keep Lyndon in line. It was very clear that when Lyndon died, payments to Steven through a Dallas lawyer STOPPED because of Lady Bird. She did not want siblings popping out of the woodwork to contest the vast inheritances of Lynda Bird and Lucy Baines...HER kids. But we will never know for sure, will we? TEXAS IN THE MORNING is well worth reading. Jack ******************************************************************************** "Regarding young Steve suddenly contracting cancer and dying...I was around when it happened. Madeleine and Steve had been attending Jim Marrs' classes on the assassination, along with Jean Hill, and we all got to know them well. Steve was the image of "young Lyndon" of photographs. One Thursday night, only Jean showed up, and told the class that Madeleine had called her in a panic...STEVE HAD DISAPPEARED from Dallas. To make a long story short, about a month later, she discovered that STEVE WAS IN A HOSPITAL IN WASHINGTON DC, SUFFERING FROM AN UNKNOWN ILLNESS. How he got there was a mystery. In a few months she returned to the classes, quiet and subdued, and would not talk about Steve. About a year later he had died from cancer. She connected his strange disappearance with his death. Not many youths his age die of cancer. She blamed Lady Bird for arranging Steve's death." I've seen pictures of Steven and there was no doubt he was LBJ's son. Is it your impression that Valenti, being as close to the Johnson's as he was, may have been coerced into setting up this kidnapping, and contraction of CA into Steven's body, by dubious means a la an Ochsner, Ferrie, Mary Sherman diabolical scheme created to infect Castro? That Valenti, at the behest of Lady Bird, was able to facilitate this horrible death upon LBJ's progeny, born in the stark resemblance of her husband? Did Steven have any recollection of the abduction, was he lucid enough to remember anything surrounding his disappearance, his captors, how he ended up in D.C., the name of the hospital, was it the NIH? What condition he was in when he was found? It's preposterous, in my humble opinion, that Lady Bird was able to wield such control over LBJ and Valenti, to the point of contracting a murder on her rival's illegitimate son. It also seems preposterous that LBJ would've allowed himself to be, excuse the expression, pussy-whipped into submission by Lady Bird. I know her family was powerful in the Lone Star State, but to be able to effect an execution, using the prescribed method originally concocted for the elimination of Castro, seems incredible, and as I said before, gives more credence to what Ed Haslam and Judyth have to say, in that regard. I NEVER SAID ANY SUCH THING AS WRITTEN ABOVE. I DID NOT SAY THAT VALENTI HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DEATH OF STEVE BROWN. I DID NOT SAY ANY OF THE PREPOSTEROUS THINGS QUOTED OR IMPLIED. I SAID WHAT I SAID AND NOTHING ELSE. I REQUEST THAT YOU RETRACT YOUR IMPLICATION THAT I SAID THESE THINGS. I ONLY QUOTED THINGS TOLD ME BY MADELEINE. SHE DID NOT TELL ME ANY OF THESE THINGS. PLEASE REREAD WHAT I SAID. JACK ********************************************************* This being the offending paragraph: "Is it your impression that Valenti, being as close to the Johnson's as he was, may have been coerced into setting up this kidnapping, and contraction of CA into Steven's body, by dubious means a la an Ochsner, Ferrie, Mary Sherman diabolical scheme created to infect Castro? That Valenti, at the behest of Lady Bird, was able to facilitate this horrible death upon LBJ's progeny, born in the stark resemblance of her husband?" I, THERESA C. MAURO, HEREBY RETRACT ALL IMPLICATIONS I MAY HAVE MADE BY POSTING THE ABOVE PARAGRAPH THAT MIGHT OR COULD BE MISCONSTRUED AS STATEMENTS HAVING BEEN MADE BY JACK WHITE. On this day, the 15th of July, in the year, 2007. Although, I am totally unaware that I made these implications in Jack's name. I am very sorry to have misinterpreted this. So much for trying to put two and two together. The text below is what prompted me to ask. Aside from the fact that Jack Valenti's name was one of the people attempting to censor the last three installments of TMWKK. He apparently wielded enough clout to do so, at Lady Bird's request, or in her name, or at her family's request, therein. "As for other love children, she only mentioned one (THIS IS UNVERIFIABLE) and I will repeat only what she told me. One of Lyndon's other mistresses (Madeleine thought there were several) in HOUSTON became pregnant, and Lyndon "arranged for her to marry his friend Jack Valenti". According to Madeleine..."

John Simkin, please put this under an appropriate section of your forum. Thank you, Ter This is what I wrote under the window that prompted petition signers to "Write us about your own "Horror" story" I'm 62 years old, a Nuclear Medicine Technologist of 32 years, whose department was de-comissioned in June 2006, along with my full time status of employment, which was reduced to per diem. I have no medical benefits to speak of, and any form of COBRA coverage would have cost me $800.00 a month to procure. When I was diagnosed with Narrow Angle Glaucoma in December 2006, it was my Chase VISA card that was used to pick up the bill. Medical coverage out of pocket for myself is cost prohibitive with the amount of money I make working per diem, which is what you're relegated to once someone reaches my age. I'm now forced to hold 2 and 3 jobs in order to make ends meet, and all are per diem status. Not because I want it that way, but because that is what's being offered to me. I'm not ready for retirement, and the money I would claim from Social Security at this juncture in my life, wouldn't pay for Alpo Dog Food. You see, I was married for 12 years to a man who asked me to work only part time in order that we wouldn't have to pay out so much in taxes to the IRS. In fact, he would have preferred I didn't work at all, but I had been in the field for 5 years before I met him and didn't want my skills to deteriorate, or fall too far behind the progress being made in my professional field. Therefore, when he filed for divorce, and it became final on April 1, 1995, I was forced to leave college where I had started in an effort to increase my viability as a tech by getting a B.S. degree as a last ditch effort to compete with the new batch of students coming into the field. I was 50 years old at that time. Luckily, three years later I was able to obtain full time work for the last 8 years, which afforded me benefits once again. But, when Bush and his congress went behind closed doors in January 2006 to enact new amendments to the Medicare bill, which ended up decreasing reimbursement to free standing clinics and imaging centers from 80% to 30%, my imaging center was forced to downsize, cancel order on our new Siemens Biograph PET/CT Imager, and ended up de-commissioning its Nuclear Medicine Department, altogether. The second job I'm holding as a per diem Nuclear Medicine Dexa Technologist is at Santa Monica-UCLA, but I just found out on Thursday that this position will only be available to me until December because of the transition that's about to take place since UCLA-Westwood Medical Center's new building is set to re-open. You see, it was built to half the size of the old medical center because they're attempting to transition all surgeries, and general healthcare provision to an out-patient ambulatory care basis in an effort to cut back on Medicare subsidizing of healthcare delivery. Therefore, in order to make room for the glut of Westwood technologists, they are letting go the per diem and previously older Santa Monica techs who had been with the hospital before UCLA took over the Santa Monica Community Hospital facility in 2003. UCLA-Westwood also thinks that the Westwood technologists are better trained to meet the needs of the new transition taking place at Santa Monica, and to be set into motion by the end of the year. I was hired on in July 2006, and now I'm back where I started from. Michael Moore, can you give me a job? I'm a real hard worker, detail oriented, and able to multi-task 8 different things, all at the same time. That's part of the job description for a Nuclear Medicine Tech. Plus, I have excellent communication skills and can write, read, and speak some Spanish, albeit not fluently, but enough to make myself fairly well understood. How about it? I'm not ready to take this lying down. Sincerely yours, Theresa C. Mauro 4070 Jackson Avenue Culver City, CA 90232-3232 310 836-4095 tmauro@pacbell.net

*************************************************************************** He also brought electricity to the rural south during, and following The Depression, and World War II. I believe he was more a victim of circumstances when it comes to what happened to JFK, and even with the escalation of Vietnam. I honestly don't believe he actually realized what was going to happen. And, I find it inconceivable that he would have condoned it, or that it even needed his final seal of approval. It was out of his hands. Everything he was supposed to have said at the Murchison's house that night was out of sheer bravado, and more than likely aimed at RFK. Players such as Hoover, Dulles, Helms, and the rest of that team of operators, had LBJ's Achilles' heel, with all they had on him concerning prior corruption, wheeling and dealing, and Bobby Baker. I still believe he was nothing more than a corn pone hayseed who made good, strictly on his reputation as an early politician who originally set about to help the poor workers of The Depression Era. Somewhere along the way, from the early 1950's through the 1960's he made some dishonest deals, that may have even involved murder, but I'm not convinced that he was totally unaware of the havoc that was being wrought in his name. Yet, by the time he may have become aware, or learned of what his handlers had partaken in to keep him elected and in office, he more than likely found that he was in too deep, over his head, and owed too many to have been able to extract himself from the tangled web he had woven for himself. I also think that Lady Bird was merely a product of her times and of her own family's legacy. It must have been hard, even seemed futile at times, to have to stand in the footsteps JFK and Jackie had left imprinted on The White House, as well as on the heart and memory of a whole nation that had been thrust into a perpetual state of mourning. "Convince a person against their will, and they are of the same opinion still." LBainesJ was a SOAB. LBirdJ was just plain old "B". I got LOTS of lowdown on her from the late Madeleine Brown. After LBJ died, it was Bird who managed to get cut off LBJ's monthly stipend to his son, Steven Brown. Madeleine also believed it was she who had Steve "kidnapped" and injected with cancer cells. She knew about Lyndon's other love children, and used it for blackmail. She was his partner in crime. Lots more, according to Madeleine. Jack ********************************************************************** "Lots more, according to Madeleine." Words spoken of a "woman scorned," perhaps? Listen, Jack. I'm not advocating these people. I'm merely trying to put another slant on it because I don't follow the trail to Dallas, I follow it to Wall Street. But to get back to the case in point, LBJ was responsible for bringing NASA, and aeronautical research to the southland [Houston, Cape Kennedy]. Also, there were more casualties and deaths under Nixon's term, than under LBJ's. And, it was Nixon who expanded the war into Cambodia, destabilizing that country, and causing a multi-million person genocide. If the Joseph Alsop/LBJ transcripts of their telephone conversations concerning the creation of the Warren Commission are correct, then LBJ is extremely peripheral, or not involved, at all, in the assassination, except for aforeknowledge from Dulles and the Brown Brothers of Tejas. If anything, LBJ was an unwitting tool to get JFK down to Tejas into the killing field. And, if anyone should get a finger pointed at them it should be ["future" Republican party man] Connally. Maybe, Connally saw the future. Republicans were going to take control [wink, wink] via their dirty tricks campaigns. "Madeleine also believed it was she who had Steve "kidnapped" and injected with cancer cells." Statements, such as that one, only serve to give credence to what Judyth says she was involved in. "She knew about Lyndon's other love children, and used it for blackmail. She was his partner in crime." Blackmail? Of whom? Women claiming that LBJ fostered their illegitimate children? It sounds as if these women were looking to blackmail him, and Bird was only doing her part in looking out for her own family's "best interests." I'm sure it ain't as cut and dry as Madeleine Brown claimed. Thanks, Terry. Madeleine did not consider herself "a woman scorned". She still "loved" Lyndon till the end, despite knowing of his crimes. She considered Lady Bird a witch. Regarding young Steve suddenly contracting cancer and dying...I was around when it happened. Madeleine and Steve had been attending Jim Marrs' classes on the assassination, along with Jean Hill, and we all got to know them well. Steve was the image of "young Lyndon" of photographs. One Thursday night, only Jean showed up, and told the class that Madeleine had called her in a panic...STEVE HAD DISAPPEARED from Dallas. To make a long story short, about a month later, she discovered that STEVE WAS IN A HOSPITAL IN WASHINGTON DC, SUFFERING FROM AN UNKNOWN ILLNESS. How he got there was a mystery. In a few months she returned to the classes, quiet and subdued, and would not talk about Steve. About a year later he had died from cancer. She connected his strange disappearance with his death. Not many youths his age die of cancer. She blamed Lady Bird for arranging Steve's death. As for other love children, she only mentioned one (THIS IS UNVERIFIABLE) and I will repeat only what she told me. One of Lyndon's other mistresses (Madeleine thought there were several) in HOUSTON became pregnant, and Lyndon "arranged for her to marry his friend Jack Valenti". According to Madeleine Lady Bird was very aware of Lyndon's indiscretions and used them to her advantage. Maybe blackmail is not the right word, but Bird used her knowledge to influence Valenti to stay in line after LBJ was gone, according to Madeleine. She possibly also used what she knew to keep Lyndon in line. It was very clear that when Lyndon died, payments to Steven through a Dallas lawyer STOPPED because of Lady Bird. She did not want siblings popping out of the woodwork to contest the vast inheritances of Lynda Bird and Lucy Baines...HER kids. But we will never know for sure, will we? TEXAS IN THE MORNING is well worth reading. Jack ******************************************************************************** "Regarding young Steve suddenly contracting cancer and dying...I was around when it happened. Madeleine and Steve had been attending Jim Marrs' classes on the assassination, along with Jean Hill, and we all got to know them well. Steve was the image of "young Lyndon" of photographs. One Thursday night, only Jean showed up, and told the class that Madeleine had called her in a panic...STEVE HAD DISAPPEARED from Dallas. To make a long story short, about a month later, she discovered that STEVE WAS IN A HOSPITAL IN WASHINGTON DC, SUFFERING FROM AN UNKNOWN ILLNESS. How he got there was a mystery. In a few months she returned to the classes, quiet and subdued, and would not talk about Steve. About a year later he had died from cancer. She connected his strange disappearance with his death. Not many youths his age die of cancer. She blamed Lady Bird for arranging Steve's death." I've seen pictures of Steven and there was no doubt he was LBJ's son. Is it your impression that Valenti, being as close to the Johnson's as he was, may have been coerced into setting up this kidnapping, and contraction of CA into Steven's body, by dubious means a la an Ochsner, Ferrie, Mary Sherman diabolical scheme created to infect Castro? That Valenti, at the behest of Lady Bird, was able to facilitate this horrible death upon LBJ's progeny, born in the stark resemblance of her husband? Did Steven have any recollection of the abduction, was he lucid enough to remember anything surrounding his disappearance, his captors, how he ended up in D.C., the name of the hospital, was it the NIH? What condition he was in when he was found? It's preposterous, in my humble opinion, that Lady Bird was able to wield such control over LBJ and Valenti, to the point of contracting a murder on her rival's illegitimate son. It also seems preposterous that LBJ would've allowed himself to be, excuse the expression, pussy-whipped into submission by Lady Bird. I know her family was powerful in the Lone Star State, but to be able to effect an execution, using the prescribed method originally concocted for the elimination of Castro, seems incredible, and as I said before, gives more credence to what Ed Haslam and Judyth have to say, in that regard.

**************************************************************************** "On a lighter note I much prefer the WC drawing, you know the one, the one with the arrow going thru the back of the head & out the front side, oh yes, much less of a puzzle there, they should of stuck with that one." That's the dumb sketch published in the NY Times Newspaper in June-July 1964 that made me lose all faith in the U.S. Government for the rest of my life. I was 19 years old, at the time. My high school biology teacher, Mrs. Schwerner's son, Michael, had been missing in Mississippi, and his body had just been found in a shallow grave down there, story on page three, and the escalation of the Vietnam War was bearing down on our necks, in the beginning days of that long, hot summer. Nice to see you again, Alan.