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  1. Navis was a bookstore owner who specialized in JFK assassination books. He claimed to have struck up a friendship with Lee Bowers before Bowers died. He also claimed to have received a letter from Bowers in which Bowers claimed to have seen a Dallas Policeman fire from behind the picket fence. When pressed to produce this letter, however, Navis could not. So his claim was pooh-poohed as just another publicity stunt.
  2. Thanks, Steve. Talk about coincidence, that was right around the time that Tippit was shot.
  3. According to Boone's affidavit, the "Mauser" was found at 1:22 pm. If both of those times are correct, doesn't sound like the same rifle to me.
  4. Stu, you're assuming that only one rifle was found in the building and that three sheriffs deputies were all wrong in their description of it. But they were sure enough about what they saw that they filed sworn affidavits under oath and under penalty of perjury. I doubt I would do that unless I was absolutely sure of what I was attesting to. Also, the descriptions of the witnesses who saw the rifle in the window before and during the shooting DO NOT match the Depository rifle. Arnold Rowland's detailed description of the rifle he saw is especially convincing. How can all of these witnesses describe a rifle other than the Depository rifle and be wrong ?
  5. BLUE DEATH : Were Dallas Police officers involved in the murder of President Kennedy ? By Gil Jesus (2021) (Author's Note: This is newer version of an old post of mine from 2007 ) There are many reasons to suspect that the Dallas Police were in some way involved in the assassination of President Kennedy. Not only were they responsible for the safety of the President, they were responsible for collecting and processing the evidence from the scene of the murder. They were also responsible for the safety of the accused assassin. When it was over, the President was dead, his assassin was dead and there remained questions regarding the evidence to this day, almost 60 years later that have not been answered. Could any major metropolitan law enforcement agency have been so inept, so careless and so unprofessional as to allow this tragedy of errors to occur, or was this a well-planned plot to remove suspicion from those responsible and direct it to a "patsy" who would never see his day in court ? Power on the Right Of all people, General Edwin Walker may have given us a clue to who was responsible for the mysterious deaths of witnesses after the assassination, when he told the Warren Commission, "You can anticipate that there are people that would like to shut up anybody who knows anything about this case. People right here in Dallas." (0) Who would know what witnesses had information that needed to be kept under wraps ? Where they lived or their contact info ? The ones who took their statements and filed the reports. Membership in right-wing organizations such as the John Birch Society or the Ku Klux Klan was a prerequisite for acceptance on the Dallas Police force. Jack Ruby hinted at right-wing involvement by attempting to direct Earl Warren towards the JBS. (1) Had the Commission looked at the JBS in Dallas, it would have led to, among others, General Walker, H.L.Hunt and members of the Dallas police. Ruby was also fearful to speak in Dallas. Consider this: The only ones Ruby wasn't safe from while he was in jail were the cops. A Dallas County Deputy Sheriff named Hiram Ingram stated that he had knowledge of a police conspiracy. He fell and broke his hip on April 1, 1968 and died of cancer three days later. (2) The Dallas police controlled security along the motorcade route, the manpower allotments, the crime scenes, the evidence, the media, the interrogation of the suspect, the release of all other suspects, the custody and safety of the prisoner, the prisoner's immediate family and all phases of the preliminary investigation. To say they did a poor job is a gross understatement. Motorcade Security In his testimony before the Warren Commission, Roy Kellerman, the agent on the White House detail who was the on-the-scene agent in charge of the Dallas trip, indicated the motorcade route was in the hands of Secret Service advance agent Winston Lawson and the Dallas Police. (3) Dallas Secret Service agent Forrest Sorrels told the WC that the police officials agreed that the route taken was the best. (4) Chief Curry drove Sorrels and Lawson through the motorcade route up to Main and Houston then pointed and said that the highway was "over there." Because a large number of Dallas police who were on vacation or had the day off refused to work security for the President's visit, the police were forced to use reserve officers. The captain of the Dallas police reserves, Charles Arnett, told the Warren Commission, " if there was a threat of bodily harm (to the President), they (the reserves) were to report their concerns to the nearest "regular officer". (5) So if a reserve officer saw someone pull a pistol and point it at President Kennedy, he was under orders to run a couple of blocks and return with a regular officer. This was Dallas' idea of "maximum protection" for the President. Vacations and days off were not cancelled. Officers whose normal day off was that Friday refused to work overtime and thus kept their day off. For example, in the Homicide Division alone, 60% of the detectives were not available to work on the day of the assassination. This in the city that had roughed up Adlai Stevenson just a month before. (6) As a result of this burden, Chief Curry took to the airwaves to warn the citizens to be on their best behavior. There was only "token" police protection along the motorcade route. There were 178 officers, including reserves, on the parade route for an estimated 250,000 people. That boils down to one officer for every 1,404 potential assailants. In addition, none of the officers either in the motorcade or on its route, were ever told to be concerned about the estimated 20,000 open windows along the motorcade route. (7) On November 20th, two Dallas officers saw "mock target practice" going on at the picket fence atop the grassy knoll. They arrived in time to see the participants depart in haste and only wrote a report on the matter AFTER November 22nd. The report was buried by the FBI and only came to light after a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit. (8) Marion Baker had been assigned to ride alongside the Presidential limousine, but was told by his sergeant five or ten minutes before leaving Love Field that no officers would be riding alongside the President's car. (9) Officer Bobby Hargis confirmed that "we were supposed to be beside the car". (10) Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry told the Warren Commission that Secret Service agent Winston Lawson cut the number of motorcycles from four on each side of the President's limousine to two on each side, then moved them back. (11) His testimony was supported by Captain Perdue W. Lawrence.(12) Officer Billy Joe Martin told the Commission that "they (Secret Service) instructed us that they didn't want anyone riding past the President's car and that we were to ride to the rear, to the rear of his car, about the rear bumper. (13) According to Martin, "they told us at Love Field right after Kennedy's plane landed...Well, while Kennedy was busy shaking hands with all the well-wishers at the airport, Johnson's Secret Service people came over to the motorcycle cops and gave us a bunch of instructions...They also ordered us into the damnedest escort formation I've ever seen. Ordinarily, you bracket the car with four motorcycles, one on each fender. But this time, they told the four of us assigned to the President's car there'd be no forward escorts. We were to stay well to the back and not let ourselves get ahead of the car's rear wheels under any circumstances. I'd never heard of a formation like that, much less ridden in one, but they said they wanted to let the crowds have an unrestricted view of the president. Well, I guess somebody got an 'unrestricted view' of him, all right." (14) Martin claimed that some of those instructions were that the four Presidential motorcycle officers were ordered that "under no circumstances were they to leave their positions regardless of what happened." (15) The re-deployment of the motorcycle escort to the rear of the rear wheels not only gave "everyone" an unrestricted view of the President, it made it easier for anybody to throw anything from an egg to a bomb at him. In a hostile city as Dallas, to configure the motorcade in the way it was done was more than incompetent. It was criminal. The redeployment of the motorcycle escort left Kennedy unprotected from the front and from the side. It allowed those close enough to him, the people on the curbs, to have an unrestricted and unobstructed opportunity to cause him physical harm. And although the Dallas police claimed that Lawson told them on the evening of the 21st that Kennedy didn't want any motorcycles alongside his car, Lawson was forced to admit under oath that he never heard Kennedy give that order. (16) The last-minute stripping of the President's protection by Lawson on the evening before his arrival is at the least, disturbing. It suggests that Lawson knew beforehand that shots were going to be fired and as a result, removed the police officers from the line of fire. He also removed the military man from the front seat of the limo on the morning of the assassination. The "man with the football", the nuclear codes, was removed from the front seat of the limo where he usually sat between the Secret Service agents and placed in a car further back in the motorcade, presumably to get him out of the line of fire. In Tampa, agents rode on the back of the limo despite the President's alleged aversion to having them there. In Dallas there were no agents on the rear of the car except for agent Clinton Hill, who got on and off of the rear bumper four times during the motorcade. If any of the agents in the White House detail believed that JFK didn't want anyone on the back bumper, they never told Agent Hill. The Press Vehicles Usually the President's motorcades were filmed from the front by cameramen riding on a flat bed truck in front of the President's limousine. Not in Dallas. In the "Big D" those were convertibles they were riding in and they were six or seven cars in BACK of the President. The remainder of the Press rode in two Busses at the END of the motorcade! The entire configuration of the motorcade was changed on the morning of the 22nd. Police Deficiencies Julia Ann Mercer gave a deposition claiming to have seen a rifle being unloaded from a truck at the base of the knoll on Elm St. on the morning of the assassination. In that deposition, she said that "there were three policemen standing talking near a motorcycle on the bridge just west of me" when the rifle was unloaded. (17) Dallas officers disregarded any orders to keep the overpasses clear. Sheriff Bill Decker ordered his men not to participate in the protection of the motorcade. Decker also displayed an unwillingness to transfer Oswald. (18) In a letter to Jean Hill, "JB" wrote: "I get the distinct feeling that the feds think somebody in the Dallas Police had something to do with the hit on Kennedy....so many Dallas cops knew Jack Ruby, the fact that somebody let him in to the basement right before he shot Oswald, the fact that some of the cops were heard cussing Kennedy for being a flaky liberal." (19) Certain witnesses were totally ignored. They didn't seal off the building right away (20) and as a result, some people who were in the building at the time of the shooting were allowed to leave. When they did finally seal off the building, those still inside were escorted to the County Records Building to give their statements in the office of the Dallas County Sheriff's Department. When this happened, the police had the building to themselves with only Roy Truly present. ( Note: this is when I believe the "gunsack" was made by police ) No impediments were placed in the way of fleeing assassins and although they claimed to have known that Oswald ( by name ) was missing from the Texas School Book Depository Building, no-all-points-bulletin was ever broadcast for him. Evidence was faked, altered or suppressed. Police officers perjured themselves in testimony. Ridiculously biased lineups were held at which witnesses, after seeing Oswald's picture on TV and in the newspapers were asked to identify him standing alongside police detectives, a police clerk, teenagers and an overweight Mexican. Photographic evidence and video evidence taken by witnesses was seized, never to be seen again. At Parkland Hospital, the police tried to enforce Texas criminal law that required the autopsy to be done by the civilian medical examiner of Dallas County, Dr. Earl Rose. There was shouting and shoving and in the end, they were forced to yield at gunpoint to the Secret Service and forfeited custody of the body to them. Was there a struggle for possession of the body because that was the law, or were there bullets in that body that both sides wanted ? In recent years, evidence has surfaced that the Dallas Police may have been involved in the assassination, if not directly, then at least as an enabler. There's the whole "badgeman" thing, the discovery by Gary Mack and Jack White of a figure in the Moorman photo of a man in a police uniform firing from behind the picket fence. And the claim of Al Navis that Lee Bowers once wrote him a letter saying that he saw a Dallas Policeman fire a rifle from the behind the picket fence. And then there's the account of Gordon Arnold and his encounter with a Dallas policeman who had dirty hands on the Grassy Knoll when no policeman was officially there. Whether these were actual policemen or killers dressed up as policemen, no one really knows. It was never investigated. And while there was a killer on the loose where was the Police Chief ? While his men wrestled an alleged cop-killer in the Texas Theater, Chief Jesse Curry drove Lyndon Johnson to the airport, then stayed on board Air Force 1 for a photo-op during the swearing-in ceremony. That's some great leadership. And despite telephone threats against the life of Oswald, the Dallas police took no supplemental precautions to ensure his safety. Once wounded, the hospital personnel administered no anesthesia to Oswald. NOTES (0) 11H 417, 419 (1) 5H 198; Marrs, Crossfire, p.1 (2) Penn Jones, Forgive My Grief III, p. 15 (3) 2H 111 (4) 7H 338 (5) 12H 132 (6) 24H 259 (7) King ex. 4, 20H454 (8) cited in Davis, Mafia Kingfish, pp. 175-176 (9) 3H 244 (10) Mark Oakes interview with Hargis 6-26-95 (11) 4H 171 (12) 7H 580-581 (13) 6H 293 (14) Jean Hill, Last Dissenting Witness, pp 112-114 (15) Newcomb & Adams, Murder from Within, P.33 (16) 4H 338 (17) 19H 483 (18) 9H 530 (19) Sloan and Hill, Last Dissenting Witness, p.75 (20) 23H 847, 916
  6. I agree. Cliff, this case has nothing but distractions, or what you refer to as "rabbit holes". CE 399 is a stage prop. This wasn't a perfect crime. They made mistakes covering it up. One was that receipt for a "missile" that went from the SS to the FBI. I think years ago David Lifton gave the world evidence that the body was flown out of Dallas while AF-1 was delayed on the ground and ended up at Walter Reed prior to the Bethesda autopsy. They must have done a hack job digging those bullets out of the body because when it got to Bethesda, they couldn't tell which were the entrance wounds and which were the exit wounds. Just my two cents FWIW.
  7. Good question Dave. I've never seen evidence that they would admit there was a problem except that the bolt was so rusted they had to operate it back and forth for almost 10 minutes to free it up. I don't know how it affected their speed, but even if it did they wouldn't have admitted it.
  8. Excellent point Rick. A police sniper is patient. He knows he may only get one shot, especially in a hostage situation. But that doesn't mean he only loads one cartridge in the rifle. Neither does a military sniper. And as far as two different kinds of ammunition goes, you're right. It is evidence of two shooters. And if the bullets don't match the shells, that's evidence of tampering with the shells.
  9. Thanks Steve. I believe this house at 3126 Harlandale played a major role in the assassination of JFK. General Walker, the Cubans, gunrunning "stolen" guns from Fort Hood, students from North Texas State University in Denton, Ruby, Oswald.....you can almost put the whole thing together right from these associations. The only questions I have are what relationship did James Hosty have with all these right-wing groups ? I know it was his job to keep track of them, but was he playing both sides of the street ? Was he watching them and at the same time withholding what he was learning ? Was he running Oswald ? Oswald definitely was trying to avoid him. What relationship did Hosty have with Bill Shelley and/or Roy Truly ? How were they connected with this group ? Truly turned the cops on to Oswald. Hosty told them he was a Communist. So many questions. What was going on there ?
  10. Roger Craig claimed to have seen Oswald running down the hill next to the TSBD and get into a Rambler station wagon which then sped off down Elm street headed for Oak Cliff. His claim has seemed to be supported by other witnesses who observed the same thing. The witnesses who saw the driver described him as being Latin or dark-skinned. When Oswald was arrested, he was confronted with the fact that Craig saw him jump into a car and said, "that's Mrs. Paine's station wagon, don't involve her in this." ( or something to that effect ) Much has been said over the years about Mrs. Paine not owning a Rambler, that she owned a 55 Chevy wagon, thus implying that this was just another lie that Oswald told the authorities. I could never figure out why a Latin guy would be driving Ruth Paine's station wagon. So my question is this: Has anyone ever considered that Oswald was referring to another Mrs. Paine and not Ruth Paine ? Like maybe P-A-Y-N-E ? Because if he meant P-A-Y-N-E, this gets very interesting. You remember the guy who brought the two rifles into the TSBD two days before the assassination, Warren Caster, he testified that on the day of the assassination he was having lunch with Dr. Vernon V. Payne at the North Texas State University in Denton. Dr. Payne was the Chairman of the School of Business. This college was a hotbed for anti-Kennedy activity (students from this school were involved in the attack on Adlai Stevenson ) and at least one Latin student there was involved in a gun-running operation which trafficked stolen weapons from Fort Hood. These weapons were supposedly being stockpiled for a "second invasion of Cuba" the last week of November, 1963. Prior to the Bay of Pigs invasion, Castro was to be killed. I submit that prior to "the second invasion of Cuba", Kennedy was the target. I recently read an article on the "kennedysandking" website that claimed that the TSBD was the location where these stolen weapons were stored. If true, one can see how any gunman didn't have to take a rifle into that building or leave with one. But I digress. If anyone has any additional info on Payne or his wife please post it. Thanks.
  11. I figure three possibilities: 1. Either someone was reloading this ammunition 2. someone else had a 6.5 rifle and this ammunition was in that rifle, or 3. the Depository rifle was fired BEFORE the assassination and these were the empty shells from that firing and CE 543 and 545 were loaded at different times as the last cartridge in the clip when fired. One more thing: I think I read some place that when the FBI interviewed Masen, he said that he had bought ten boxes of the copper-jacketed bullets, but he "couldn't remember" who he sold them to. It's amazing how guilt can effect the memory sometimes.
  12. I remember hearing about that. Another valuable witness that has vanished into history.
  13. The Shell Game by Gil Jesus (2021) (Author's note: This is a rewrite of a 2005 narrative that I did. It's been updated and edited for accuracy. ) INTRODUCTIONThe Warren Commission based its conclusion that three shots had been fired on the existence of the three shells found in the TSBD. (Commission Exhibits 543, 544 and 545) It reported that two of the cartridge cases had marks "produced by the chamber of Oswald's rifle", one which contained marks produced by the Carcano's magazine follower and the other had markings from the bolt of the Depository rifle (CE 139). Two cases had markings indicating that they had been loaded into a rifle at least twice. When the rifle was found, an unfired round was in the chamber, ejected when Capt. Fritz operated the bolt. This is an important detail when we examine evidence linking the rifle shells to the rifle.CE 543This cartridge (Commission Exhibit 543) had a dent on its lip which would have made it impossible for it to have contained a bullet prior to its being fired. Therefore, either one of two possibilities existed: either the shell received the dent prior to the shooting and was not connected to it (implying that it was planted at the scene -- evidence of a conspiracy) or the shell was in fact evidence and was dented somehow after its bullet had been spent. Faced with a mandate to dispel rumors of a conspiracy, the Commission at first assumed that this cartridge received its dent upon being ejected from the rifle and falling onto the floor. However, solid brass cartridges don't dent when they hit the floor, as any hunter will tell you. The FBI reported to the Commission that the dent was made during the firing sequence, WHILE THE BOLT WAS PULLED BACKWARD, after the shot had been fired. This seemed reasonable enough to the Commission to explain the existence of the dented lip, but on closer examination, the evidence does not support this conclusion. So where did the dent on the lip come from ? Did Oswald make the dent with a hammer after he fired the last shot ? The only sensible conclusion is that this shell was planted at the scene of the crime. And this may be the reason that the Dallas Police hesitated in sending this shell to the FBI for examination.The cartridge extractor and ejector markings of all the shells could not be matched to the Depository rifle. (CE 2968) https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/attachment/download/33 CE 543 did contain three sets of markings inconsistent with the markings produced by the Depository rifle, indicating that it had been loaded and ejected three times from a weapon other than CE 139. Secondly, CE 543 contained markings caused by the magazine follower of the Depository rifle. When the Carcano was tested by the FBI, it was found that the magazine follower marked only the last cartridge in the clip. The last cartridge in the clip of CE 139 when found on November 22nd was an unfired round. (CE 141)As previously mentioned, this cartridge remained in the possession of the Dallas Police until November 28th, five days after the other two shells had been turned over to the FBI for examination. It should be noted that a behind-the-scenes struggle for possession of the evidence existed between the DPD and the FBI. Capt. Fritz refused to release it, and Chief Curry backed him up. Only after Lyndon Johnson called Fritz and ordered him to do so ("You have your man, the investigation is over") did Chief Curry and Capt. Fritz finally agree to release it.Despite this agreement, the DPD did not give the FBI all of its evidence on November 23rd, withholding CE 543 and three of the four bullets removed from the body of Officer Tippit.As we shall see, this shell was not the only shell that contained marks from the Depository rifle's magazine follower. Nor was it the only shell that contained marks from a rifle other than CE 139.CE 544 & CE 545CE 544 had the markings of the firing chamber and from the firing pin of the CE 139 rifle, indicating that it had been fired by CE 139 at some point in time, and that it had been loaded into the firing chamber, fired and ejected through the bolt action. This is strong evidence that CE 544 contained a bullet that was fired from CE 139, although this not proof that the bullet was fired on November 22nd or for that matter, that it was Oswald who fired it. CE 544 had two sets of markings which were made from a rifle other than CE 139.CE 545 had the marking of the magazine follower, which marked only the last shell in the clip. So CE 545 had been loaded as the last shell in the clip and then unloaded by hand after the clip was removed. This had occurred some time prior to the assassination of JFK. CE 545 had two sets of markings which were made from a rifle other than CE 139.In other words, all three shells had been in another rifle and two of those shells had been the last shell in the clip of CE139. THE HUNT FOR RELOADSThe FBI interpreted the mystery markings on the shells as evidence that the shells held reloaded ammunition. So they canvassed the Dallas gunshops to find someone who was reloading copper jacketed ammo. Their search was unsuccessful, although they did find two gunshops which were selling reloads of "soft" ammunition, that is lead bullets without the metal jacket. One was the shop of John Thomas Masen and the other was the shop of Johnny Bringer. Both denied that they ever sold ammunition to Oswald, so the FBI dropped it. Why didn't the FBI ask them who was selling copper-jacketed ammo ? Where were they getting their brass from to load the reloads ? They were getting their used brass from somewhere. The FBI never even pursued it. There may have been a reason for that. This letter from the manufacturer, Winchester-Western, indicates that the production of the ammunition "immediately ceased after World War II and all rounds loaded became the property of our government or our allies". It goes on to say that, "this item was never offered for commercial or sporting purposes." https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/attachment/download/34 In other words, you couldn't buy this ammunition. The only one who had it was the US Government.CONCLUSIONBoth CE 543 and CE 545 contained markings from the CE 139 magazine follower, which marked the last round in the clip. So both of these rounds were at some point the last round in the clip. We know that neither was the last shell in the clip when the rifle was found. So when were they the last shell ? Before or after the assassination ? Why would anyone physically remove these shells from their place in the bottom of the clip only to load them back in ? Why not just load cartridges on top of them ? Was this rifle, CE 139 fired before November 22, 1963 and that's when these shells were in the bottom of the clip ? The FBI never wanted to know.
  14. I am aware of four people who warned JFK not to go to Dallas.1. Dallas resident Anne Brinkley ( wife of NBC newsman David Brinkley ) wrote a letter to Pierre Salinger, Kennedy's Press Secretary begging him not to let the President come to Dallas or someone was going to kill him. 2. Senator J. William Fulbright of Arkansas told Kennedy that Dallas was a dangerous place. "I wouldn't go there", he told JFK, " don't YOU go there."3. Dallas resident Stanley Marcus of the Neimann-Marcus chain felt so strongly about it that he flew to Washington for the sole purpose of warning JFK not to go to Dallas.4. UN Ambassador Adlai Stevenson had been attacked by a mob just a month earlier and warned the President to stay away from Dallas.So my question is this :How did all of these people know that Oswald was going to kill Kennedy ?
  15. Talk about "Nut Country" Given before a very enthusiastic audience of over 5,000. A powerful call to evict the traitors from Washington. Includes detailed discussion of the betrayal of the anti-Communist Cubans during the Bay of Pigs invasion and the mysterious CIA radio station Radio Swan on Swan Island.Speech before the Dallas Indignation Committee; 1961, 62 minuteshttps://www.revilo-oliver.com/news/1961/01/they-shall-not-go-unpunished/
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