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17 hours ago, Joseph McBride said:
EYES WIDE SHUT
Victor Ziegler: Listen, Bill, I don't think you realize what kind of trouble you were in last night. Who do you think those people were? Those were not just ordinary people there. If I told you their names... I'm not gonna tell you their names, but if I did, I don't think you'll sleep so well.
First thing I thought of when Epstein was exposed, Stanley Krubrick’s last movie “Eyes Wide Shut” .........not mention “The United States of Amnesia” as Gore Vidal called it
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On 10/30/2018 at 1:39 PM, David Josephs said:
That wasn't him on the bus Dan.... at least not from the research I've seen
I think he was taken home in the Rambler, and then taken to the Theater by the police car that came by...
McWatters will repeatedly tell you that he was talking about Roy Milton and not Oswald...
Bledsoe's description of the arrest shirt... before he'd even been to the theater is quite the trick of clairvoyance...David,
Help me out here. According to Armstrong, Lee is in the white T-shirt and was on the 6th floor and he leaves the TSBD @ 12:40; this what Roger Craig witnesses. Harvey in the brown shirt takes public transportation to 1026 N. Beckley. Lee is arrested in the balcony and Harvey is arrested below.....according to Armstrong
Thanks for all your postings. I try to follow them........... but they're a little cryptic at times.
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3 hours ago, David Josephs said:
Why he fought is a very good question ... there'd be nothing to gain and everything to lose by resisting... so why... ??
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My how times have changed...
55 years ago a man accused of shooting a fellow police officer has a gun in his hands as 6 cops subdue him... and is not shot a single time.
Not even by accident.The officers fired 20 rounds at a young black man in Sacramento, who died in the yard.
Police said they thought he had a gun in his hand, but it was actually an iPhone.The officers are never heard identifying themselves as police before fatally shooting Clark.
“He was at the wrong place at the wrong time in his own back yard?” his grandmother,
Sequita Thompson, told the Sacramento Bee. “C’mon, now, they didn’t have to do that.”or why he left the TSBD going east on Elm, before he caught the bus going west on Elm to 1026 N. Beckley?
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As long as this thread is touching on "2 Oswalds" or as author Harold Weisberg wrote in Oswald in New Orleans (1967) "the False Oswald", check out these photos of Michael Paine that Vince Palamara has posted on his blogspot: http://vincepalamara.blogspot.com/2015/08/oswalds-friend-michael-paine-oswald.html
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4 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:
Active Measures
Fantastic, well worth watching, high production values! Thanks Douglass
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Wow, what a great piece, Robert. Anyone who invokes both Gen. " War is a Racket" Smedley Butler and Gibson's Battling Wall Street in the same JFK essay wins kudos from me. I'm rushed for time now, more latter. Thanks.
Dan
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8 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:
We need more of this kind of thing throughout our culture to remind youth of what great leaders this country once had.
And what promise they brought to the country. Things were not alway this bad.
amen!
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15 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
If you're interested, I'd be happy to discuss other people on the chart above who knew American-born LEE Oswald could drive a car.
Jim,
One implication of John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee thesis I can't seem to find any distilled info on, like a chart, and you're obliquely referring to with the incident of Lee being seen driving Ruth Paine's station wagon, is the existence of a certain group of people who knowingly interacted with both Lee and Harvey and knew of their separate identities. Discounting the lady at the Texas Employment Office, the list begins with Ruth Paine, Marina Oswald, Robert Oswald, John Pic(?), and Harvey's mother/caretaker. But there must be others, like uncle Charles and aunt Lillian Murret, Lee's blood relations, and certain key players in the plot, like Ruby and Ferrie. Anyway, if John Armstrong has addressed this issue of the select group who knew both Harvey and Lee and of their separate identities I'd like to know where I can read about it.
This is a little off topic, but I have to say that Armstrong's speculative essay "Escape from the 6th Floor" which is on the Harvey and Lee website is one of my favorite reads. Obviously he spent a lot of time sleuthing this out. He also did one of the best analysis/reconstructions of the Tippit murder. But all this is for another thread.
Dan
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19 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
Dan,
Maybe I missed it, but I don't find Pena listed in Batchelor's Exhibit 5002,
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf
or in the DPD Archives.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/index.html
Steve Thomas
Steve,
I mistakenly inferred that Pena was with the DPD when he traced the telescopic sight. Sorry, but all these rabbit holes get confusing.
Dan
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2 hours ago, Gene Kelly said:
Ron and Robert
The two men who had effective day-to-day control of the RFK investigation in 1968 were Pena and Hernandez. As day watch supervisor, Lieutenant Manuel Pena had to sign off and approve every report and decide who to re-interview and who to dismiss as the case was prepared for trial. This was the same Manny Pena who scrawled across several blank interview summaries relating to Sandra Serrano, "Polka-dot story of Serrano phony". Pena spent sixteen years of his police career working in Robbery-Homicide, reaching the rank of lieutenant. Author Robert Kaiser recalled his nickname at LAPD was "Shoot 'em up Manny Pena" (he killed several people in the line of duty). In November 1967, Pena ostensibly retired from the department and was to accept a position with the Agency for International Development (AID), a State Department aid agency that among other roles served as a regular cover identity for CIA operatives abroad (similar to "Pinky" Westbrook). He served as a "public safety adviser" and trained police forces of friendly dictatorships in sophisticated interrogation techniques to use on leftist insurgents and political dissidents. Pena joined the LAPD in 1941 and served in the Pacific with Naval Air Corps during World War II. He spent two years in Verdun as a criminal investigator for the Army during the Korean War, and spoke fluent French and Spanish. During his two years in France, he worked with the Army Counter-Intelligence Corps and established contacts and friends in the intelligence community. He also built up strong connections with Interpol: a senior official in the Mexican government was his primary connection into Latin America.
FBI agent Roger LaJeunesse had known Pena for years and was the FBI liaison to the LAPD during the RFK case. LaJeunesse said Pena left the LAPD for a "special training unit" at CIA's Camp Peary base in Virginia. After nine weeks' training, he would be posted to Latin America, where he could use his Spanish. Pena had been performing special assignments for the CIA for a decade, mostly under AID cover. Pena's new career didn't last long after he had retired from LAPD. RFK announced that he would run for president on March 16, 1968 and Pena was back in Los Angeles by April. Investigative reporter Fernando Faura encountered Pena on his return, noticing a familiar figure behind heavy horn-rim glasses and a black handlebar mustache, and telling him "Hey, Manny, I damn near didn't recognize you with that disguise". Pena explained the AID job wasn't what he expected, so he quit and returned to Los Angeles. When the LAPD subsequently unveiled Special Unit Senator, the man put in charge of preparing the case for trial and supervising the day watch investigators was Manny Pena. SUS Chief Robert Houghton wrote that Pena had "connections with intelligence agencies in several countries." In 1975, Pena's brother, a school principal, was interviewed for a local television show and, during the commercial break, mentioned how proud he was of his brother's service with the CIA, stating: "Nobody's supposed to know about that … it's supposed to be secret."
Sergeant Enrique "Hank" Hernandez was Pena's chief interrogator, called on to administer polygraph tests to troublesome witnesses to determine if they were telling the truth. Whenever claims of conspiracy were sent to Hernandez, he bullied witnesses into retractions. Many of these tapes survive, documenting the mockery Hernandez's bullying tactics. Hernandez also led the investigation probing possible conspiracy and oversaw the background checks on Sirhan. The two LAPD officers had backgrounds in training Latin American security forces. SUS’s second-in-command, Hernandez, stated in his own resume that in l963 he had played a key role in the CIA’s “Unified Police Command” training in Latin America. Pena and Hernandez coordinated an investigation which not only threatened and discredited conspiracy witnesses, but by the department’s own admission destroyed 2,410 photographs of assassination evidence before Sirhan’s trial. Their work with LAPD mirrors the infiltration and manipulation of the DPD five years earlier by the plotters and perpetrators of both Kennedy murders.
Gene
Gene,
Wow, good knowledge, this info about Manuel Pena is really interesting. I was aware of a "Pena" (and Hernandez) at the LAPD in conjunction with the RFK assassination, but I had no idea that this was the one and same Manuel Pena who was employed by the Dallas PD at the time of the JFK assassination. I'd like to pursue Pena's history with the DPD. Could you (or anyone else) point me in the right direction to learn more about his time with the DPD and before. And what about parallel career paths of Pena and Westbrook ? Stranger than fiction, as they say.
great post
Dan
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3 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:
I have not read that book, but maybe now I should do so. But I have to say, I avoid even using the word Camelot. Its too mythological.
To me, the actual data we have on JFK and how different his outlook was from what came before and after is really strong. And I am using it to go after these loony left types like Paul Street and Matt Stevenson.
I also have another broadside coming out against my favorite punching bag, Chomsky. As long as these guys keep it up, and as long as my readers send them to me, I will return the fire.
Chomsky's a dirt bag. I know from my anti-war work in the 1960's. When the sh*t hit the fan, so to speak, he was conveniently MIA.
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On 3/31/2018 at 3:42 PM, James DiEugenio said:
Dan:
Let me repeat, Leary had over 20 opportunities over two decades to say anything about that whole imbroglio. He did not.
I am sorry, but that indicates to me that it did not happen.
I did a lot of work on this whole issue back in the nineties when Sy Hersh's piece of junk about Kennedy came out. The whole thing with MM is so riddled with contradictions and inconsistencies and out and out lying that IMO its not possible to make any definite conclusions. And there are no credible indications that she investigated Kennedy's assassination. That was one of the worst parts of Janney's book. Those were all just assumptions to fulfill his construct.
If you have not read my earlier work on this, here is the link:
https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-posthumous-assassination-of-john-f-kennedy
Jim,
I don't have an axe to grind here. Whether or not Leary's story about MM and the LSD to JFK is true is really of no consequence, except maybe to the anti-Camelot crowd. Did JFK ever take LSD, who knows, but I think there is a high probability, given the crowd that JFK socialized with, that he knew more than one person who had taken it. Don't forget how trendy the JFK White House was; dancing the twist and hanging with Sinatra.
What is of consequence is that MM, a close "associate" of JFK's and Cord Meyer's ex-wife, was killed assassination-style, that is 2 point blank range shots, first one to the back of the head and the coup de grace, one to heart,. All this while she walked in public park during broad daylight in Georgetown DC. This occurred 3 weeks after the Warren Report had come out. So either MM's untimely demise was just some random act of violence or there was something more sinister going on; kind of like all the inconvenient deaths of witnesses associated with the events of 11/22/63.
Speaking of Camelot, have you read "The Road to Camelot" (Oliphant & Wilkie, 2017)? Good read. JFK's primary campaign for 1960 noination used a revolutionary strategy. What JFK figured out was that if he went into the 1960 Democratic Party convention with the majority of state's delegates, won through the individual state's primary elections(never done before), he could secure the nomination and avoid going to through the usual state and local party bosses(Favorite Son routine), who traditionally selected the party's nomination for president( smoke filled back rooms!). And guess who was the odds-on favorite of the party bosses and made no effort to discourage them? In fact, he was counting on it as his dutiful reward/legacy; ............... none other than "Landslide Lyndon". Hmmm?
Plus you'll also like the chapter "Defying the Idea of Empire"
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31 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:
By the way I should add the name of a book that does not get mentioned enough.
It was not until I read Acid Dreams that I began to have some doubts about Leary.
And that is when I began to question the whole MM/JFK/Leary construct.
Its really kind of puzzling to me that Morley accepted it.
Jim,
I'm with Paul on this. We know JFK and MM saw a lot of each other; i.e., White House logs, photos. Do we have definitive proof of Leary's account of JFK eating acid with MM, not really. And I agree, Leary must have been flipped by the US intelligence services, because he surely didn't like prison much. But, on the other hand, I don't see it as totally out of the realm of possibilities for JFK to indulge in LSD because, before LSD became a street drug in the mid 1960's, it was used as a "therapeutic" drug by high society/Hollywood types (Cary Grant and Aldous Huxley come to mind) in LA during the 1950's and early 1960's. And let's not forget who JFK's brother in law was, Peter Lawford of Rat Pack and Marilyn Monroe fame, who lived in Malibu.
Given that JJ Angleton was caught by Ben Bradley breaking into MM's place in Georgetown after MM's demise( one .22 cal bullet behind her ear, just like RFK's assassination), there are justifiable suspicions that MM was on to something concerning 11/22/63 ( parallels Dorothy Kigallen's demise to a degree). And this was 3 weeks after the Warren Report came out( October '64). Lastly, we all know who MM's ex husband was, namely Cord Meyer, the #3 guy at the CIA, who gave us Operation Mockingbird, which we are still living with.
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On 3/18/2018 at 12:40 PM, Paul Brancato said:
To everyone - I didn’t expect the response here, the many shows of support, and the ensuing discussion. Nevertheless I’m very gratified. I have decided not to leave, but please don’t thank me for this, or think I was fishing for support.
This forum for me is, after all is said and done, purely recreational, like reading Talbot, Douglas, DiEugenio, Armstrong, Newman, etc. Do I really want to drop in and read a bunch of personal attacks and petty bickering?...., not really. In the last analysis, if I wanted to subject myself to a lot of negativity and personal insults, I'd be a counter-protestor at a Trump/NRA rally, not a member of this forum. So let's hope that this Ignore Function works as described and makes participation in this virtual space a more enjoyable and stimulating experience..
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1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:
The whole John Abt angle is kind of interesting. A few years ago, back in 2011, there was a three page discussion of this on this site.
Greg Parker noted that Mr. Nichols of the local Dallas Bar might not have actually talked to Oswald directly. But got his info through the police.
The other witness to the Abt connection is, of course, Ruth Paine. She said that Oswald asked her to call Abt at his office.
John Abt was the chief counsel for the CPUSA at the time(11/23/63). So either Oswald was staying " in character" as a commie sympathizer while in the Dallas City Jail( which seems curious given his "I'm just a patsy" comment) in trying to contact Abt or this Abt episode was a fabrication by the "Castro did it"/ Oswald's a commie" faction. And I thought I read somewhere that John Abt , after his death, was exposed as an informant for the FBI.
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Mae Brussell is probably turning over in her grave. Comparing her to Alex Jones is complete BS. She was the first person I ever heard publicly expose the CIA's MKULTRA program and the FBI's COINTELPRO program. This was on her weekly radio program broadcast across Monterey Bay by fm radio station KLRB (Carmel, Ca.) back in the day, say 1971 or maybe earlier. Her unique research work helped set the stage for the major Congressional inquiries into the CIA and FBI during the 1970's culminating with the HSCA in 1978. Alex Jones is a media sensation, Mae Brussell was the real deal as an original researcher(albeit somewhat overly melodramatic at times).
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On 1/19/2018 at 3:35 PM, James DiEugenio said:
This was a senator from the sixties saying that stuff.
BTW, what RFK did once he was down there was nothing short of revolutionary. You can read about it in my review of the Bohrer biography.
they were revolutionary, because they betrayed their class much like FDR, it all ended on June 5 1968,
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32 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:
Thanks Dan, sort of like the Berlin speech, right?
Exactly
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56 minutes ago, Ron Ecker said:
I guess no one informed JFK that the Alliance for Progress in Spanish is La Alianza para el Progreso, which can be literally translated as "the alliance stops progress."
Dude, it means "The Alliance for the Progress", your disinformation won't fly here
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5 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:
Dan:
Did you see this article that was posted yesterday at Kennedys and King.com?
Anyway, it describes Kennedy's approach to the problem of poverty and lack of capital in Latin America and how that would encourage communist rebellions. So Kennedy and Arthur Schlesinger decided to imitate the Good Neighbor Policy except adding on the 20 billion dollar, ten year plan of providing funding through the Treasury, thereby bypassing the Export-Import Bank, the IMF and private loans.
Its been kind of ignored by people in the critical community and also by historians who have minimized it. So I was glad to get this article from Michael LaFLem, and I hope he writes for us in the future. The thing to note is how it all ended, first with Johnson, and then Nixon providing the final kabosh.
yes, it just confirmed what I'd been thinking. thanks
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JFK's Alliance for Progress was proposed publicly in March of 1961. Notice that this was a month before Operation Zapata(Bay of Pigs); a remnant of the Eisenhower/Nixon Administration that JFK inherited. The Alliance for Progress was intended by JFK to counter the appeal of Castro's Revolution in underdeveloped Latin America. Whereas Eisenhower and Nixon were very much into "hard power"(military/CIA), especially so after Arbenz in Guatamala and then Castro in Cuba, to keep Latin America "free" of more left wing revolutions, Kennedy's Alliance was a "soft power" (money and culture) strategy with the same goal. The kicker that JFK used to make the Alliance not just more of the "same old, same old" that Latin America had heard many times before was how this program would be funded;
"The basic idea was that aid money would now come from the Treasury Department, bypassing the punitive restrictions of the IMF, Export-Import Bank and private loans". (kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-enemy-within-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-alliance-for-progress).
Giving Latin American countries access to development funding( JFK proposed 20 billion in 1961 dollars) through the US Treasury was a seriously revolutionary proposal in terms of threatening The Established Order not only in the Latin American countries but also in the US. Basically JFK was proposing to fund Latin American competition against the existing local and foreign corporations( mostly US ones) who had the proverbial "stranglehold" on both the local economy and society. This is enough to give any old Latin American aristocrat, let alone any old US aristocrat, heartburn, to say the least. So it is my thinking that commonly held historical view that JFK's presidency first, serious alienation of the "power structure" in the US occurred with his refusal to use the US military in the beleaguered BOP invasion of Cuba is incorrect( not to mention the JFK -US Steel price roll back that happened a week earlier than the BOP). I believe that "strike one" against JFK happened a month earlier when his Alliance for Progress, with its revolutionary funding, was proposed.
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9 hours ago, Gene Kelly said:
Kathy:
This thread has degraded to name calling and derogatory comments. With all due respect, the posters in question add very little (imho) as far as useful information or insights (pro/con). Its simply constant (almost obsessive) obstruction and ridicule of Armstrong's work and book. Something was obviously fishy with the Oswald identities and family story ... so, why the virulent and persistent attack? I occasionally come back to this thread, to see if I can learn anything new ... but all I ever see is silly name-calling and type-casting (i.e. "Team Hardly ... CT Community") and ad hominem attacks. No substance, or convincing rebuttal. Jim, Sandy and Michael try to explain the anomalies and challenges; but, its like saying the sky is blue, and getting a response: "how do you know; how can you say that; what proof do you have? Have you gone mad?"
I get the impression that -- if they persist (and succeed) -- then no one will participate and we will all go away. What does that tell you?
Gene
totally agree.
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On 12/23/2017 at 7:44 PM, Douglas Caddy said:
LEE HARVEY OSWALD COLOR 8MM HOME MOVIES 11-22-1962, ONE YEAR BEFORE JFK ASSASSINATION.
Couple of things here. From my readings, at this family Thanksgiving gathering (at Robert Oswald's house), the first since LHO returned from the USSR in June of '62, Marguerite Oswald was a no-show( unless that's her in home film, but I don't think so) Maybe there's a simple explanation, like she had the flu, or didn't get along with some of her in-laws etc., but she lived fairly close by....not across the country...just saying.
The other thing that crossed my mind looking at this clip, is how wholesome, "guy next door" LHO looks. Now project this personality forward 10 months to August of 1963 when LHO is in NOLA and Dean Andrews say this same LHO shows up in his law office with a group of "gay mexicanos" looking for legal help to reverse his "undesirable discharge"( the type of discharge gays in the military received in the 1950's and 60's). So who is this LHO person; the family man spending the uniquely American holiday of Thanksgiving with his family or the swinging LHO hanging out with his "gay mexicanos" friends in NOLA.
Remember, intelligence operative LHO was doing his fake defector routine in Russia when his undesirable discharge was handed down. I mean what's that all about, LHO is a government/military operative on a mission in the USSR and he gets a lousy, less than honorable discharge from his employers (this same government/military). Not exactly how you build "esprit de corps" in your fake defector program......just saying
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16 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:
David Talbot posted this on Facebook on Dec. 24, 2017:
Friends,
I'm home from the hospital for Christmas -- and I'm very, very grateful to my wife Camille and sons Joe and Nat for making this possible. I also have to thank with all my heart the nursing staff and physical therapists at the Davies Hospital stroke center in San Francisco. They are a special team and, with their unique personalities and combination of traditional and holistic healing, they provided just the kind of care I needed.
Finally, I must thank all of YOU -- ...my friends and fellow warriors -- for your mighty stream of love and support. I was read all of your messages, and they kept up my spirits, particularly in the darkest and loneliest hours at the hospital.
My head cracked open on the evening of November 18. But because of you I've been filled with light and joy ever since. It's a hell of a way to learn of your sisters' and brothers' infinite capacity for grace and compassion, and I don't recommend it to anyone.
I still have a long way to go, but with your help I'll get there one step at a time.
-- David
David,
As a fellow alum of UCSC, ('70)..."go slugs" and a big admirer of your writings on the JFK case, hope your recovery speeds along and that you're feeling almost normal in the very near future.
Dan Doyle
ps. remember listening to Mae Brussel on KLRB in the 1970's?
Who was Jack Ruby?
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In Helen Markham’s interviews and WC testimony she said Tippit’s killer was short, stocky and had wavy, bushy hair. Once I saw a photo of Ruby’s short-term roommate, George Senator (I believe he moved in at the beginning of November ‘63) I did a little more research on him. I read his WC testimony. It was sooo bad, soo disjointed that he was sent away and told to come back once he felt that he could testify cogently.