Help needed on Apollo photo file numbers

[Jack White]

I am lucky to have so many experts here who are interested in Apollo

photo file numbers. They surely will give me the photo file numbers

for hundreds of Apollo photos I cannot locate in the official record.

As is documented and as our experts no doubt know, each Apollo

mission carried an ALCC. No doubt our experts are familiar with the

ALCC and its usage in all geological rock and dirt sampling on each

mission, the results, and the file numbers.

For the unitiated in NASA acronyms, the ALCC was a special closeup

stereoscopic camera the astronauts carried with them on all EVAs

to document in stereo pairs each geological sample taken on

color film, for scientific study in relation to the samples. ALCC stands

for Apollo Lunar Closeup Camera.

I have searched in vain for the color STEREO PAIRS, one to go with

each of the hundreds of samples returned to earth. All Hasselblad

photos were given file numbers which are duly recorded, but I can

find NO file numbers nor record of the ALCC stereo pair photos,

NOR the photos themselves. Indeed, I cannot find any mention of

the astronauts using the ALCC each time they performed geological

sampling. I can find no PHOTOS of an astronaut using the ALCC. In

all the Hasselblad photos of astronauts, I do not see an ALCC nor

a pocket for carrying it. How was it used...hand held, or attached

to the chest mounting bracket? Very little information is available

on it, or the hundreds of stereo photos taken.

So please help. I'd like to see all of the ALCC stereo photos. Can

our experts furnish file numbers so I can find them?

Thanks.

Jack

[Craig Lamson]

I am lucky to have so many experts here who are interested in Apollo

photo file numbers. They surely will give me the photo file numbers

for hundreds of Apollo photos I cannot locate in the official record.

As is documented and as our experts no doubt know, each Apollo

mission carried an ALCC. No doubt our experts are familiar with the

ALCC and its usage in all geological rock and dirt sampling on each

mission, the results, and the file numbers.

For the unitiated in NASA acronyms, the ALCC was a special closeup

stereoscopic camera the astronauts carried with them on all EVAs

to document in stereo pairs each geological sample taken on

color film, for scientific study in relation to the samples. ALCC stands

for Apollo Lunar Closeup Camera.

I have searched in vain for the color STEREO PAIRS, one to go with

each of the hundreds of samples returned to earth. All Hasselblad

photos were given file numbers which are duly recorded, but I can

find NO file numbers nor record of the ALCC stereo pair photos,

NOR the photos themselves. Indeed, I cannot find any mention of

the astronauts using the ALCC each time they performed geological

sampling. I can find no PHOTOS of an astronaut using the ALCC. In

all the Hasselblad photos of astronauts, I do not see an ALCC nor

a pocket for carrying it. How was it used...hand held, or attached

to the chest mounting bracket? Very little information is available

on it, or the hundreds of stereo photos taken.

So please help. I'd like to see all of the ALCC stereo photos. Can

our experts furnish file numbers so I can find them?

Thanks.

Jack

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With a QUICK Google....

Photos with file numbers from the missions that flew the Gold camera.

Please note that the CORRECT acronym is Apollo Lunar Surface Closeup Camera (ALSCC)

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/alscc/

Also PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR SOURCE for your statement that the Gold was used to

"the ALCC was a special closeup

stereoscopic camera the astronauts carried with them on all EVAs

to document in stereo pairs each geological sample taken on

color film, for scientific study in relation to the samples."

More data on the Gold camera:

http://www.myspacemuseum.com/alsep01b.htm

One more place your "search in vain" failed you...

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/images11.html

Please note that the ALSJ has the magazines for the gold camera listed for other missinons as well. Apollo 11, Apollo 12 and Apollo 14 flew the the Gold camera, 15, 16, and 17 did not.

And of course you could read the transcripts.....

Edited May 26, 2007 by Evan Burton
See Rule iv

[Len Colby]

In any case this is another pointless distraction from someone infamous for making pointless arguments. Even if it were true that photos taken with the ‘Gold Camera’ (named as I understand it for its inventor not its color) didn’t have image numbers that would have nothing to do with the fact each and every photo taken with the Hasselblads did. Jack seems to have been trying to use his false insinuation that the former were true as a smokescreen to distract attention from his lack of a good excuse for not providing image numbers for the regular Apollo photos.

Perhaps I’m wrong Jack, in that case you should (easily) be able explain what exactly your point was.

[Craig Lamson]

As is documented and as our experts no doubt know, each Apollo

mission carried an ALCC. No doubt our experts are familiar with the

ALCC and its usage in all geological rock and dirt sampling on each

mission, the results, and the file numbers.

For the unitiated in NASA acronyms, the ALCC was a special closeup

stereoscopic camera the astronauts carried with them on all EVAs

to document in stereo pairs each geological sample taken on

color film, for scientific study in relation to the samples. ALCC stands

for Apollo Lunar Closeup Camera.

It appears that Jack is mistaken. From the Apollo 11 transcript:

110:27:20 Collins: Thank you.

[Comm Break]

[Neil is going out some distance from the MESA to get material for the bulk sample, mostly in the area of the Solar Wind Collector, but also off-camera to the left.]

[Armstrong - "We wanted to not take too much time to collect that (bulk) sample but, at the same time, we wanted to minimize contamination from engine exhaust and tried to go out into areas that were, one, untrampled and, second, a little bit farther out."]

[i asked if he made any attempt to get a representative set of samples.]

[Armstrong - "In the bulk we were just supposed to get..."]

[Aldrin - "Where was that close-up camera (Apollo Lunar Surface Close-up Camera or ALSCC)? Has that been used at this point?"]

[Armstrong - "No. We get to it at the end.(chuckling) with great reluctance. They get nervous about that one at the end, if you remember."]

[The close-up camera, shown in AS11-40- 5931, was also known as the Gold camera, after the Principal Investigator, Dr. Tommy Gold. Apollo 13 photo KSC-70PC-11 shows Fred Haise training with the Gold Camera. I asked Neil and Buzz why they were reluctant to use it.]

[Armstrong - "Prof. Gold got his camera placed on the manifest very late and over crew objections. He hoped to support his erroneous theory of a 'cotton candy' surface. We had little enthusiasm for the intruder."]

[Thomas Gold was a long-standing proponent of a theory - based on radio astronomical observations of the Moon - that the surface was covered with a deep layer of fine dust into which spacecraft and astronauts might sink into oblivion. Unfortunately, neither the fact that pictures of the Moon taken by the Ranger spacecraft showed small craters that would not have survived in Gold's dust sea nor the fact the Surveyor spacecraft all landed safely on very firm surfaces made Gold sink into oblivion and the close-up camera was his insult to the Apollo program and to the crews. The close-up camera was designed to take very high resolution pictures of very small surface areas and, indeed, they showed that the top millimeter or two usually had a "fairy castle structure" that would explain the radio returns. Otherwise, the close-up photos were of little value.]

Edited May 26, 2007 by Evan Burton
Changed wording of why error occurred

[Jack White]

Never mind...I found it.

http://www.myspacemuseum.com/alsep01b.htm#alscc

Until this came up, I never knew what that odd gadget was. I don't

remember ever seeing it identified.

Thanks anyway.

Jack

[Len Colby]

By my count this is the 6th* absolutely pointless thread you've started in the last few days. Try wasting a little bit less of our time.

* 5th if you count the two almost identical threads as one