Chemtrails, not by Jack White.

[Matthew Lewis]

When I awoke this morning, the Texas sky was a deep unclouded blue.

By the time I drove to lunch, 4 to 6 chemtrail planes were at work, spraying

huge Xs in the sky.I saw a total of 3 Xs, all approximately over south Fort Worth,

all of which rapidly morphed into fast moving cirrus clouds by the high westerly

winds aloft, spreading out toward Dallas. After a two month hiatus, chemtrails

have returned to Fort Worth.

Jack

And wouldn't you know it, the conditions over the Dallas/Fort Worth area today were extremely conducive to the formation of persistent contrails. Funny that.

Note the relative humidity with respect to ice or RHI is often well over 100% often as high as 130% to 145% (60% or greater good for persistent contrail formation)

http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/cont_p...25&engEff=2

[Jack White]

When I awoke this morning, the Texas sky was a deep unclouded blue.

By the time I drove to lunch, 4 to 6 chemtrail planes were at work, spraying

huge Xs in the sky.I saw a total of 3 Xs, all approximately over south Fort Worth,

all of which rapidly morphed into fast moving cirrus clouds by the high westerly

winds aloft, spreading out toward Dallas. After a two month hiatus, chemtrails

have returned to Fort Worth.

Jack

And wouldn't you know it, the conditions over the Dallas/Fort Worth area today were extremely conducive to the formation of persistent contrails. Funny that.

Note the relative humidity with respect to ice or RHI is often well over 100% often as high as 130% to 145% (60% or greater good for persistent contrail formation)

http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/cont_p...25&engEff=2

And that causes three big Xs in the sky at noon?

Jack

[Jack White]

I did not take this photo. But if I had my camera with me I could have.

There were three consecutive Xs in the same location over a 60 minute period,

then no more. All three gradually dissipated into cirrus clouds moving eastward.

I saw the first while buying gasoline...the second at the cafeteria across town...

the third as I was driving home. Then NATURAL clouds moved in obscuring the

sky, and I saw no more chemtrail activity today. It became clear again by mid

afternoon, with no more chemtrails.

Jack

Edited May 1, 2008 by Jack White

[Evan Burton]

And that causes three big Xs in the sky at noon?

Jack

Short answer: yes, it can.

[Jack White]

And that causes three big Xs in the sky at noon?

Jack

Short answer: yes, it can.

What are the odds of three big chemtrail Xs in the same location within an hour, all caused

by two planes on identical perpendicular courses at the same time? Maybe a million to one?

Jack

[Evan Burton]

And that causes three big Xs in the sky at noon?

Jack

Short answer: yes, it can.

What are the odds of three big chemtrail Xs in the same location within an hour, all caused

by two planes on identical perpendicular courses at the same time? Maybe a million to one?

Jack

No. See the previous posts.

Why don't you get evidence if you think they are real?

[Matthew Lewis]

And that causes three big Xs in the sky at noon?

Jack

Short answer: yes, it can.

What are the odds of three big chemtrail Xs in the same location within an hour, all caused

by two planes on identical perpendicular courses at the same time? Maybe a million to one?

Jack

Since "chemtrails" are mythical, I'd say the odds are much greater than a million to one for three big "chemtrail" Xs. Persistent contrails on the other hand would be extremely likely given the conditions. That's something you'd know if you actually looked at the science behind it all.

Edited May 1, 2008 by Matthew Lewis

[Jack White]

Jim Marrs on Chemtrails:

http://www.worldgathering.net/stop/

Http://www.worldgathering.net/stop/

Http://www.worldgathering.net/stop/index.html

Jack

(it seems that from this forum, the link does not work; try typing it in)

Edited May 2, 2008 by Jack White

[Jack White]

When The Army Owns The Weather - Chemtrails & HAARP

Author: Bob Fitrakis

Humans have long sought to control the weather. Early people learned how to make fire and modify their micro-environments; rain dances and other rituals to alleviate droughts are part of our folklore. So news that the government is engaged in secret experiments to control the weather should come as no surprise -- especially after a long history of "cloud seeding," "atom splitting" and cloning revelations.

In fact, a vast majority of people would be shocked to learn that this orphan of the cold war is still in practice. As the U.S. and former Soviet Union spent trillions of dollars on their militaries, their commitment to mutually assured destruction led to extensive experimentation with the use of weather as a weapon. In 1977, the Saturday Review cited a CIA report hinting that the U.S. government already had the power to massively manipulate the weather for war purposes.

As the Soviet Union disintegrated, a 1993 Isvestia article suggested the U.S. might want to partner with the Russians in peddling their top-secret technology to the world. Oleg Klugin, a high-ranking KGB officer, bragged of his involvement in geophysical weapons research to a London newspaper. The grid patterns of jet chemtrails now spotted throughout the Western world are likely the application of these technologies to new military and civilian uses.

The military is not attempting to hide its long-term goals. "Weather is a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025" is a white paper that can be found on a Pentagon-sponsored website. The paper's abstract reads: "In 2025, U.S. aerospace forces can 'own the weather' by capitalizing on emerging technologies and focusing development of those technologies towards fighting applications. Such a capability offers the war fighters tools to shape the battle space in ways never before possible In the U.S., weather modification will likely become a part of national security policy with both domestic and international applications."

Wired magazine wrote about the paper and extensively quoted physicist Bernard Eastlund in its January 2000 article "Activate Cloud Shield! Zap a Twister!" The article detailed the military's plan for "made-to-order thunderstorms" and "lightning strikes on demand."

Eastlund managed programs for Controlled Thermal Nuclear Research for the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission from 1966 to 1974; he was a key researcher in the 1980s' Strategic Space Initiative (aka Star Wars). Since 1996, Eastlund served as CEO and president of Eastlund Scientific Enterprises Corporation. The company boasts on its website that it specializes in "weather modification" and "tornado modification" among other high-tech services.

Eastlund considers the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) in Alaska a smaller version of what he envisions for weather modification. In response to Michael Theroux of Borderland Sciences -- who asked Eastlund whether the HAARP station could affect the weather -- Eastlund replied: "Significant experiments could be performed The HAARP antenna as is it now configured modulates the auroral electrojet to induce ELF waves and thus could have an effect on the zonal winds."

At the Space 2000 Conference and Exposition on Engineering, Construction, Operations and Business in Space, sponsored by the American Society of Civil Engineers, Eastlund outlined his plan for zapping tornados with an electromagnetic radiation beam from the proposed Thunderstorm Solar Powered Satellite he's developing with the help of the European Space Agency and Jenkins Enterprises.

U.S. patent number 6315213, filed on November 13, is described as a method of modifying weather and should concern the public. A scientist from Wright Patterson Air Force Base acknowledges that planes are spraying barium salt, polymer fibers, aluminum oxide and other chemicals in the atmosphere to both modify the weather and for military communications purposes. The patent abstract specifically states: "The polymer is dispersed into the cloud and the wind of the storm agitates the mixture causing the polymer to absorb the rain. This reaction forms a gelatinous substance which precipitate to the surface below. Thus, diminishing the cloud's ability to rain."

Answering the age-old question, Who'll stop the rain?: Apparently our government and a few of their closest friends in the military industrial-complex. The emergence of Edward Teller promoting this startling technology is more than scary. (Teller was the father of the H-Bomb and grand promoter of Readi Kilowatt, our perky little radiation friend from the '50s; one of his bright ideas from the '50s was to create harbors by nuking our own coastline.) The April 24 New York Times reported that Teller "has promoted the idea of manipulating the Earth's atmosphere to counteract global warming." The computer simulations on the use of aluminum oxide to counter global warming come from the Lawrence Livermore Weapons Laboratory, where Teller serves as director emeritus.

There should be little doubt that this would be a priority for the government -- or for for-profit military contractors. While 2001 was the second-hottest year on record (1998 holds the record as the hottest year), the nine hottest years on record have occurred since 1990. But why would the government conduct anti-global warming experiments in secret?

Investigative reporter William Thomas holds that there's a link between the recent increase in asthma, allergies and upper respiratory ailments and the chemtrail spraying. Sound crazy? Remember, it sounded absurd when reports first came out that the government had conducted radioactivity experiments on U.S. citizens and released radiation from nuclear plants to test the effect on civilian populations. It sounded bizarre when news first filtered out that the government was engaged in the MK-Ultra mind-control experiments using LSD. The CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency admit they were responsible for many of the UFO sightings in the 1950s in order the explain away experimental military technology.

From public documents to mainstream news accounts, the record is filled with reports of weather-modifying technology left over from the Cold War. Now we have a right to know what, if anything, the government plans to do with it.

Source: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12342

[Evan Burton]

Once more:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...st&p=144030

When will someone actually gather evidence of these so-called "chemtrails"?

Why haven't they done so already? Would it be because they won't risk having their beliefs challenged?

[Matthew Lewis]

Jim Marrs on Chemtrails:

http://www.worldgathering.net/stop/

Http://www.worldgathering.net/stop/

Http://www.worldgathering.net/stop/index.html

Jack

(it seems that from this forum, the link does not work; try typing it in)

The site is blocked on the network I'm on as a "Spam Email URLs" so I can't view it. I wouldn't be surprised if it is like everything else that pushes "chemtrails", light on evidence and science and heavy on handwaving and pseudoscience.

[Matthew Lewis]

Once more:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...st&p=144030

When will someone actually gather evidence of these so-called "chemtrails"?

Why haven't they done so already? Would it be because they won't risk having their beliefs challenged?

That's exactly why they don't do it. Deep down they know there is no proof that the contrails are anything other than contrails but that doesn't stop the fear mongering.

[Gavin Stone]

And that causes three big Xs in the sky at noon?

Jack

No Jack, they purposely made those big X's to draw attention to themselves and perpetuate the conspiracy.

[Matthew Lewis]

When The Army Owns The Weather - Chemtrails & HAARP

Author: Bob Fitrakis

Humans have long sought to control the weather. Early people learned how to make fire and modify their micro-environments; rain dances and other rituals to alleviate droughts are part of our folklore. So news that the government is engaged in secret experiments to control the weather should come as no surprise -- especially after a long history of "cloud seeding," "atom splitting" and cloning revelations.

In fact, a vast majority of people would be shocked to learn that this orphan of the cold war is still in practice. As the U.S. and former Soviet Union spent trillions of dollars on their militaries, their commitment to mutually assured destruction led to extensive experimentation with the use of weather as a weapon. In 1977, the Saturday Review cited a CIA report hinting that the U.S. government already had the power to massively manipulate the weather for war purposes.

As the Soviet Union disintegrated, a 1993 Isvestia article suggested the U.S. might want to partner with the Russians in peddling their top-secret technology to the world. Oleg Klugin, a high-ranking KGB officer, bragged of his involvement in geophysical weapons research to a London newspaper. The grid patterns of jet chemtrails now spotted throughout the Western world are likely the application of these technologies to new military and civilian uses.

or they could be persistent contrails which are perfectly explained by science instead of the pseudoscience behind "chemtrails"

The military is not attempting to hide its long-term goals. "Weather is a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025" is a white paper that can be found on a Pentagon-sponsored website. The paper's abstract reads: "In 2025, U.S. aerospace forces can 'own the weather' by capitalizing on emerging technologies and focusing development of those technologies towards fighting applications. Such a capability offers the war fighters tools to shape the battle space in ways never before possible In the U.S., weather modification will likely become a part of national security policy with both domestic and international applications."

Wired magazine wrote about the paper and extensively quoted physicist Bernard Eastlund in its January 2000 article "Activate Cloud Shield! Zap a Twister!" The article detailed the military's plan for "made-to-order thunderstorms" and "lightning strikes on demand."

Same school project that was mentioned before. No evidence that anything suggested in the project is actually being done and plenty of evidence that it is not.

Eastlund managed programs for Controlled Thermal Nuclear Research for the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission from 1966 to 1974; he was a key researcher in the 1980s' Strategic Space Initiative (aka Star Wars). Since 1996, Eastlund served as CEO and president of Eastlund Scientific Enterprises Corporation. The company boasts on its website that it specializes in "weather modification" and "tornado modification" among other high-tech services.

So they do weather modification. So what? Weather modification in this context consists of cloud seeding, not miles long mythical "chemtrails"

Eastlund considers the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) in Alaska a smaller version of what he envisions for weather modification. In response to Michael Theroux of Borderland Sciences -- who asked Eastlund whether the HAARP station could affect the weather -- Eastlund replied: "Significant experiments could be performed The HAARP antenna as is it now configured modulates the auroral electrojet to induce ELF waves and thus could have an effect on the zonal winds."

Nothing like adding in another conspiracy theory to try to make the first seem more legitimate. What does this have to do with mythical "chemtrails"?

At the Space 2000 Conference and Exposition on Engineering, Construction, Operations and Business in Space, sponsored by the American Society of Civil Engineers, Eastlund outlined his plan for zapping tornados with an electromagnetic radiation beam from the proposed Thunderstorm Solar Powered Satellite he's developing with the help of the European Space Agency and Jenkins Enterprises.

Again, what does this have to do with "chemtrails"? Sounds like a good idea to try to prevent tornados, if it works.

U.S. patent number 6315213, filed on November 13, is described as a method of modifying weather and should concern the public. A scientist from Wright Patterson Air Force Base acknowledges that planes are spraying barium salt, polymer fibers, aluminum oxide and other chemicals in the atmosphere to both modify the weather and for military communications purposes. The patent abstract specifically states: "The polymer is dispersed into the cloud and the wind of the storm agitates the mixture causing the polymer to absorb the rain. This reaction forms a gelatinous substance which precipitate to the surface below. Thus, diminishing the cloud's ability to rain."

How many patents have actually been made into working products or processes? Note it says though that the "polymer is dispersed into the cloud". How does that have anything to do with "chemtrails" which are done in clear sky?

How much credit should an anonymous scientist be given? How do we know his statement wasn't just made up?

Answering the age-old question, Who'll stop the rain?: Apparently our government and a few of their closest friends in the military industrial-complex. The emergence of Edward Teller promoting this startling technology is more than scary. (Teller was the father of the H-Bomb and grand promoter of Readi Kilowatt, our perky little radiation friend from the '50s; one of his bright ideas from the '50s was to create harbors by nuking our own coastline.) The April 24 New York Times reported that Teller "has promoted the idea of manipulating the Earth's atmosphere to counteract global warming." The computer simulations on the use of aluminum oxide to counter global warming come from the Lawrence Livermore Weapons Laboratory, where Teller serves as director emeritus.

There should be little doubt that this would be a priority for the government -- or for for-profit military contractors. While 2001 was the second-hottest year on record (1998 holds the record as the hottest year), the nine hottest years on record have occurred since 1990. But why would the government conduct anti-global warming experiments in secret?

Starts with a little poisoning the well about Teller. The idea to use nukes to create harbors wouldn't be too bad if you could get around the long lasting radiation problem. I'm guessing the idea came before the radiation was fully understood.

Not every year has been hotter though and one must remember that our record-keeping has become more accurate. Heck, scientists can't even agree on whether or not global warming is even happening!

Still no evidence provided that aluminum oxide is being used, or that it is in the trails seen in the sky from commercial and military planes alike that are explained by science.

Investigative reporter William Thomas holds that there's a link between the recent increase in asthma, allergies and upper respiratory ailments and the chemtrail spraying. Sound crazy? Remember, it sounded absurd when reports first came out that the government had conducted radioactivity experiments on U.S. citizens and released radiation from nuclear plants to test the effect on civilian populations. It sounded bizarre when news first filtered out that the government was engaged in the MK-Ultra mind-control experiments using LSD. The CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency admit they were responsible for many of the UFO sightings in the 1950s in order the explain away experimental military technology.

From public documents to mainstream news accounts, the record is filled with reports of weather-modifying technology left over from the Cold War. Now we have a right to know what, if anything, the government plans to do with it.

Claims that there's a link between the recent increase in asthma, allergies and upper respiratory ailments and the chemtrail spraying but don't show us the evidence? How can one establish a link to something done 30,000 feet up that takes weeks to settle and has never been sampled and tested? How can they prove any increase isn't from some other source like local pollution or vaccines hundreds of other more likely things?

Source: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12342

I note that the "article" is taken from the Columbus Alive "newspaper". Having grown up in Columbus, OH I know that Columbus Alive is just a small step about the Enquirer.

[Peter McKenna]

When The Army Owns The Weather - Chemtrails & HAARP

From public documents to mainstream news accounts, the record is filled with reports of weather-modifying technology left over from the Cold War. Now we have a right to know what, if anything, the government plans to do with it.

Source: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12342

It is true that the Bernoulli Effect on air flow through turbines, even propellers, can and do, drop the air pressure sufficiently, and at various altitudes, to result in the condensation of water vapor to a visible “super-saturated” state. Visible condensation will form around an attractive particle, such as carbon compounds, and can last for a few seconds or an entire day (becoming clouds). The state of the “contrail” would be entirely dependent upon certain factors, and the conditions of these factors, relative to the initial conditions; the air pressure, temperature, and relative humidity at the respective altitude, as well as the presence of particulates. Contrails have become commonplace over the past few decades.

But that being said, there have been relevant events in the history the United States, and the world, which would indicate that the experimentation, even use, of chemical releases into the atmosphere, to affect the weather, were, and are inevitable.

April 1976, Herbert Scoville Jr. writes for ‘Foreign Affairs’ about satellite intelligence: “…. High resolution systems can provide detailed information on targets of specific interest. The greatest drawback is cloud cover, which can impose considerable delay in many areas of the world.”

From the Free Republic, Sunday, 10/14/62, Major Richard Heyser completes a U-2 photo reconnaissance flight over Cuba, the first without cloud cover in nearly two weeks.

From ‘The Axis History Forum’ on the 9180 Siviet invasion of Poland (totally missed by the US due to inclement weather) : “Not only were the various reports of military activity near Poland's borders exaggerated in the heat of the moment (satellite imagery was unavailable in that crucial period because of dense cloud cover), but their significance - as a blunt instrument to pressure Kania and Jaruzelski to declare martial law, rather than as a harbinger of invasion - was misunderstood. Ironically, in this instance Soviet psychological warfare worked more effectively on the Americans than on their intended target, the Poles”.

The United States became increasingly dependent upon communications and satellite intelligence, while human intelligence languished, through the 1960s and afterward. This became common knowledge, and was taken advantage of (e.g. I have read of Mideast rebels (Afghanistan) taking advantage of the weather in executing offensive activities).

I do not doubt that experiments in cloud formation and weather control have been performed in the US, and may be continuing.

I do doubt that it is pervasive though. That just makes absolutely no sense.

The above were just a few articles cobbed together in a few minutes. I'm sure if you checked you could find many, many articles where weather has been exploited in highly sensitive activities.