Jack White Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) edited for further study Edited February 9, 2010 by Jack White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Butler Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Let's hear no more arguments that "Altgens 8" is genuine.The shadows know. Jack Mrs (HESTER) seems to be looking down on the right hand side which is not how she appears on the left.,...Are these definitely the same instant ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 Let's hear no more arguments that "Altgens 8" is genuine.The shadows know. Jack Mrs (HESTER) seems to be looking down on the right hand side which is not how she appears on the left.,...Are these definitely the same instant ? I did not use the word "instant". It is certainly the same moment, but not necessarily the same INSTANT. Plus it is from a different viewpoint, making exact time comparison impossible. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Butler Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Let's hear no more arguments that "Altgens 8" is genuine.The shadows know. Jack Mrs (HESTER) seems to be looking down on the right hand side which is not how she appears on the left.,...Are these definitely the same instant ? I did not use the word "instant". It is certainly the same moment, but not necessarily the same INSTANT. Plus it is from a different viewpoint, making exact time comparison impossible. Thanks. Thanks for the reply Jack. Much appreciated. Is it possible top post the full right hand side of the study from the Wiegman frame please ? The angle of the right hand side view is higher and to the right so the shadow of the pergola windows moves with it to appear not to be too out of kilter it would seem. Points a,b and c move to the right and down because of the change of viewpoint it would appear to me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Logan Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) Let's hear no more arguments that "Altgens 8" is genuine.The shadows know. Jack Jack, You've mapped the pergola bays incorrectly. The correct bay is one over as seen in the Wiegman film. I've added d and e to complete the picture. Jerry Edited February 9, 2010 by Jerry Logan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) deleted Edited February 9, 2010 by Jack White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) OK...Here is a revised study. I defy all comers to impeach it. Unless this is successfully impeached, I will re post my original study. Jack Edited February 9, 2010 by Jack White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) deleted...image keeps posting with wrong text? Edited February 9, 2010 by Jack White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 Something is wrong with EDIT TEXT. Each time I edit, the edit changes the text in the wrong posting. I did it four times and finally gave up. I could not get the correct text with the correct attachment. I would think I am doing something wrong, but if so I did it wrong four time before giving up. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Is that a bit of x over Zapruders left shoulder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Logan Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) Is that a bit of x over Zapruders left shoulder? I'm not sure where Jack is on this since he seemed to have some trouble with the text editor. However, a larger frame from Wiegman gives us a more complete picture of the pattern we're looking for. And we can see again that it's a repeat of the original problem - miscounting the pergola bays. We're looking for a partially shaded front column with a slanted shadow line, next to a full sun front column. That's easy to locate. The confusion is being caused by the fact that Wiegman's perspective moves the rear columns dramatically to the right relative to the front columns. At the same time, Altgens perspective moves the rear columns to the left relative to the front columns. So in Wiegman, the rear column associated with a particular front column appears to the right of the front column. While in Altgens, the rear column associated with a particular front column appears to the left of the front column. It's really confusing at first, but once you see the system it's easy to locate the shadow patterns, they're just one bay over from where they look like they ought to be. We see the X1 and X slanted shadow pattern on the rear PS column while Y and Z are hidden by the pedestal, Zapruder and Seitzman. Although I think we may see a little of Z peeking through their shoes in the Altgens photo. Edited February 9, 2010 by Jerry Logan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I think you're spot on Jerry, you've got a natural sense of the spatial. It took a while to get your past post on this but once I got it, I can't fault it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Logan Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I think you're spot on Jerry, you've got a natural sense of the spatial. It took a while to get your past post on this but once I got it, I can't fault it. John, Thanks for taking the time to fight through it. It was as hard to write as it is to understand. It's a real exercise in perspective transformations since you're looking at a 3D semi-circle from two opposite, acute angles. Jack was right to raise the issue, it looks really odd at first glance. Best to you, Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Never mind Jack’s shadow “analysis” he has yet to admit error after he claimed a few times that a photo in which the shadows point east was taken in the morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd W. Vaughan Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Is that a bit of x over Zapruders left shoulder? I'm not sure where Jack is on this since he seemed to have some trouble with the text editor. However, a larger frame from Wiegman gives us a more complete picture of the pattern we're looking for. And we can see again that it's a repeat of the original problem - miscounting the pergola bays. We're looking for a partially shaded front column with a slanted shadow line, next to a full sun front column. That's easy to locate. The confusion is being caused by the fact that Wiegman's perspective moves the rear columns dramatically to the right relative to the front columns. At the same time, Altgens perspective moves the rear columns to the left relative to the front columns. So in Wiegman, the rear column associated with a particular front column appears to the right of the front column. While in Altgens, the rear column associated with a particular front column appears to the left of the front column. It's really confusing at first, but once you see the system it's easy to locate the shadow patterns, they're just one bay over from where they look like they ought to be. We see the X1 and X slanted shadow pattern on the rear PS column while Y and Z are hidden by the pedestal, Zapruder and Seitzman. Although I think we may see a little of Z peeking through their shoes in the Altgens photo. VERY nice job, Jerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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