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Comprehensive List of Tax Hikes in Obamacare

Next week, the U.S. House of Representatives will be voting on an historic repeal of the Obamacare law. While there are many reasons to oppose this flawed government health insurance law, it is important to remember that Obamacare is also one of the largest tax increases in American history. Below is a comprehensive list of the two dozen new or higher taxes that pay for Obamcare’s expansion of government spending and interference between doctors and patients.

Individual Mandate Excise Tax(Jan 2014): Starting in 2014, anyone not buying “qualifying” health insurance must pay an income surtax according to the higher of the following

1 Adult

2 Adults

3+ Adults


1% AGI/$95

1% AGI/$190

1% AGI/$285


2% AGI/$325

2% AGI/$650

2% AGI/$975

2016 +

2.5% AGI/$695

2.5% AGI/$1390

2.5% AGI/$2085

Exemptions for religious objectors, undocumented immigrants, prisoners, those earning less than the poverty line, members of Indian tribes, and hardship cases (determined by HHS)

Employer Mandate Tax(Jan 2014): If an employer does not offer health coverage, and at least one employee qualifies for a health tax credit, the employer must pay an additional non-deductible tax of $2000 for all full-time employees. This provision applies to all employers with 50 or more employees. If any employee actually receives coverage through the exchange, the penalty on the employer for that employee rises to $3000. If the employer requires a waiting period to enroll in coverage of 30-60 days, there is a $400 tax per employee ($600 if the period is 60 days or longer).

Combined score of individual and employer mandate tax penalty: $65 billion/10 years

Surtax on Investment Income ($123 billion/Jan. 2013): This increase involves the creation of a new, 3.8 percent surtax on investment income earned in households making at least $250,000 ($200,000 single). This would result in the following top tax rates on investment income

Capital Gains







2013+ (current law)




2013+ (Obama budget)




*Other unearned income includes (for surtax purposes) gross income from interest, annuities, royalties, net rents, and passive income in partnerships and Subchapter-S corporations. It does not include municipal bond interest or life insurance proceeds, since those do not add to gross income. It does not include active trade or business income, fair market value sales of ownership in pass-through entities, or distributions from retirement plans. The 3.8% surtax does not apply to non-resident aliens.

Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans($32 bil/Jan 2018): Starting in 2018, new 40 percent excise tax on “Cadillac” health insurance plans ($10,200 single/$27,500 family). For early retirees and high-risk professions exists a higher threshold ($11,500 single/$29,450 family). CPI +1 percentage point indexed.

Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax($86.8 bil/Jan 2013): Current law and changes:

First $200,000

($250,000 Married)


All Remaining Wages


Current Law


2.9% self-employed


2.9% self-employed

Obamacare Tax Hike


2.9% self-employed


3.8% self-employed

Medicine Cabinet Tax($5 bil/Jan 2011): Americans no longer able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin)

HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike($1.4 bil/Jan 2011): Increases additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent.

Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka“Special Needs Kids Tax”($13 bil/Jan 2013): Imposes cap of $2500 (Indexed to inflation after 2013) on FSAs (now unlimited). . There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education.

Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers($20 bil/Jan 2013): Medical device manufacturers employ 360,000 people in 6000 plants across the country. This law imposes a new 2.3% excise tax. Exemptions include items retailing for less than $100.

Raise "Haircut" for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI($15.2 bil/Jan 2013): Currently, those facing high medical expenses are allowed a deduction for medical expenses to the extent that those expenses exceed 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI). The new provision imposes a threshold of 10 percent of AGI; it is waived for 65+ taxpayers in 2013-2016 only.

Tax on Indoor Tanning Services($2.7 billion/July 1, 2010): New 10 percent excise tax on Americans using indoor tanning salons

Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D($4.5 bil/Jan 2013)

Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike($0.4 bil/Jan 2010): The special tax deduction in current law for Blue Cross/Blue Shield companies would only be allowed if 85 percent or more of premium revenues are spent on clinical services

Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals(Min$/immediate): $50,000 per hospital if they fail to meet new "community health assessment needs," "financial assistance," and "billing and collection" rules set by HHS

Tax on Innovator Drug Companies($22.2 bil/Jan 2010): $2.3 billion annual tax on the industry imposed relative to share of sales made that year.

Tax on Health Insurers($60.1 bil/Jan 2014): Annual tax on the industry imposed relative to health insurance premiums collected that year. The stipulation phases in gradually until 2018, and is fully-imposed on firms with $50 million in profits.

$500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives($0.6 bil/Jan 2013)

Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2(Min$/Jan 2011): Preamble to taxing health benefits on individual tax returns.

Corporate 1099-MISC Information Reporting($17.1 bil/Jan 2012): Requires businesses to send 1099-MISC information tax forms to corporations (currently limited to individuals), a huge compliance burden for small employers

“Black liquor” tax hike(Tax hike of $23.6 billion). This is a tax increase on a type of bio-fuel.

Codification of the “economic substance doctrine”(Tax hike of $4.5 billion). This provision allows the IRS to disallow completely-legal tax deductions and other legal tax-minimizing plans just because the IRS deems that the action lacks “substance” and is merely intended to reduce taxes owed.

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Endless tax hikes, yet another violation of our rights. Add it to the list of gov’t violations of our right: They violate the 1st Amendment by placing protesters in cages, banning books like “America Deceived II†and censoring the internet. They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns. They violate the 4th and 5th Amendment by molesting airline passengers. They violate the entire Constitution by starting undeclared wars for foreign countries. Impeach Obama and sweep out the Congress, except Ron Paul. (Last link of Banned Book): http://www.iuniverse.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000190526

>> Allen Friday, January 14, 2011 1:08 PM Report Comment

This is great. The bill will be paid for and 30 million people will have coverage that never had it before. Not to mention no more cap on benefits or pre-existing conditions.

>> Joel Friday, January 14, 2011 1:10 PM Report Comment

I was going through family files at the end of the year, readying for the new tax year. I noticed that our medical file was by far the largest of all records we must keep. We are not sick people, rarely visit the doctor, and do not rely on any prescription drugs. It is proof that the government already has too much control over the delivery of medical services. I have had enough; give us our freedom and let the free market do what it does better than government.

>> L. Holloway Friday, January 14, 2011 1:14 PM Report Comment

STOP this crazy Health Bill NOW......

>> Dr Robert Danneman Friday, January 14, 2011 1:18 PM Report Comment

Not with MY money, Joel. Move to Canada if you want socialized medicine, pal.

>> Rich Friday, January 14, 2011 1:18 PM Report Comment

So,illegal aliens and prisoners get an exemption but hardworking taxpayers are given the shaft.... as usual. Sure wish my two tone-deaf senators from Virginia would start listening to their constituents for a change and vote to repeal this disaster.

>> RealityBites Friday, January 14, 2011 1:23 PM Report Comment

Is there any wonder why Obama and drones have a 30-40% approval rating...in all types of polls? I went to school for 12 extra years to pay for a high school dropout so he can have his methadone paid for? My sacrifice goes to pay for dinglebats like Joel who are so entrenched in their 'Entitlement Money' way of thinking...

>> Ben Friday, January 14, 2011 1:31 PM Report Comment

Teabagging bigots ignore these lies! The real villian is Sarah Palin -- satan's spawn. Google it -- she even killed Rudoph The Red Nosed Reindeer!!!! What is more evil than that???

>> Garu Friday, January 14, 2011 1:31 PM Report Comment

Looters and thieves. I especially liked the Surtax = Sell your house and the thugs in Washington take 3.8% from you, and if you do not pay they will send the IRS with guns to take it from you. LOOTERS. Start the chant now: RESIST THE LOOTERS!!!!

>> Dagney Friday, January 14, 2011 1:32 PM Report Comment

If you aren't doing anything to keep this healthcare reform sham from continuing, then stop complaining. Also, if you voted for Obama, stop complaining - you got who you voted for.

>> Joe Friday, January 14, 2011 1:34 PM Report Comment

Did King Barry, Leader Harry and Princess Nancy mention any of these taxes when they were pushing their Healthcare bill down our throats? Well we know Princess nancy didn't because she told us we wouldn't know what was in the bill until it was passed, that way saving us from all the worry about reading the 2,000 plus pages. Long live the King! He is taking us down the path to destruction, blaming it all on others, forbidding us to drill for oil and smiling with his Arab cronies as oil prices rise and rise and rise.

>> Kimdi01 Friday, January 14, 2011 1:34 PM Report Comment

I think www.kittycatchats.com has a say about this and a lot more.

>> Mr. K. Katz Friday, January 14, 2011 1:34 PM Report Comment

Joel, those 30 million people will now have coverage because they are forced to buy it using their own money. Or more accurately, they will not be purchasing health insurance and take the mandate tax until they are sick, which is going to severely damage insurance companies. Since when did congress have the right to tell businesses how much their CEOs can earn? Where is that in the constitution? Don't say commerce clause, as that is a total crock of feces. How about inter-state insurance purchasing? THAT would be covered by the commerce clause, if congress cared about the actual costs.

>> Ignoramous Friday, January 14, 2011 1:35 PM Report Comment

Won't happen. Americans will not buy something the govt tells them they must buy. Enforcement won't happen either. Americans will find ways around it. Real Americans, (not welfare lifers), are far too smart to get cornered by a corrupt government.

>> Mike Friday, January 14, 2011 1:41 PM Report Comment

Note to Joel: Look at what the government record is- #1 Bankrupted Social Security- 3 people now pay in to cover 1 person. This is an unsustainable ponzi scheme. In the free market people go to jail for this. #2 Bankrupted Medicare and Medicaid- Now paid for with money stolen from the so-called Social security trust Fund #3 Government Employee Pensions- Bankrupted #4 The Post Office - Bankrupted They say this "program" creates a budget surplus. They are taxing us 10 years to pay for 6 years of services. Why do you think that is? What happens when you look at a year of taxes to pay for a year of services? It's quite a bit higher isn't it? And it certainly is not a surplus.

>> Alan Friday, January 14, 2011 1:44 PM Report Comment

10% Tax on tanning booths? Unless some race other than Caucasians uses tanning booths this is clearly a racist, Obama tax.

>> Danbury Friday, January 14, 2011 1:45 PM Report Comment

join the church of scientology then quit repeat year after year send barry packing

>> Smirkster Friday, January 14, 2011 1:46 PM Report Comment

Divide health care services like Construction services in two. Diagnostic branch and treatment branch. Providers bid on treatments designed by diagnosticians. Physicians either work at diagnosis or at treatment. This rearrangement of professional services will have no cost to the government. Free market will make efficiencies similar like the construction industry makes efficiencies. Health care and health insurance will plummet to less than 50 percent of today's cost. Demand it from the AMA.

>> lark Friday, January 14, 2011 1:48 PM Report Comment

I have been waiting for a list of all the terrible things to be brought upon us by Obamacare. Thanks. This is a list of perfectly reasonable market-based incentives to get more Americans covered by health insurance. Please note those of you who decry the government take over of health care delivery- there is no government health care delivery. Only a mechanism to keep private providers in the lead. I do agree about the unreasonable exemptions for religious objectors & illegal immigrants. They too use services.

>> Trebla Friday, January 14, 2011 1:50 PM Report Comment

No wonder the Left came after Palin, Limbaugh and all conservatives this week with libel and lies connecting them to the Tucson massacre. They were obviously hoping to divert our attention from debate over these looming and onerous tax hikes! Don't anyone go to sleep now that there was one victory in November. Don't be commanded to be "civil" (code word for censored). We need to take our country back!

>> John Friday, January 14, 2011 1:57 PM Report Comment

What's wrong with health care is that the physician that makes the diagnosis is the same that provides treatment. Break that ungodly cycle and everything will change. Medicine should mimic construction industry. Architect-designer vs. contractor builder. Diagnostician physician vs. treatment physicians. Barrow from banks to pay for health care in incremental bank issued vouchers. See health care drop 70 percent from present cost.

>> lark Friday, January 14, 2011 1:58 PM Report Comment

Fight in 2012!

>> Leroy Friday, January 14, 2011 5:36 PM Report Comment

Thank God, I did not vote for this guy. People get what they deserve when they don't take the time to think.

>> Gary Friday, January 14, 2011 5:47 PM Report Comment

I just went in for my physical and got charged a co-pay but in my package from Blue Cross Blue Shield it suppose to be no co-pay. I had to speak to the billing department whom was almost in tears. Saying things keep changing soo much and it change this year with the new law that a Physical is just seeing the doctor. No blood test, heart exam, breathing test, etc. Now if a doctor could just figure things out what is wrong with you then why the need for all those test ?? *We pay $500/month for our medical coverage.

>> Sonja Friday, January 14, 2011 5:49 PM Report Comment

If only the warheads at the Pentagon would find the TRILLION$$$ they misplaced then maybe our tax bills wouldn't be so high...

>> Pogo Friday, January 14, 2011 5:52 PM Report Comment

Wow, undocumented, ie illegal aliens exempt. Another example how liberals are punishing the legal residents by spreading the wealth to the illegals. We need to throw them all out. This country is failing, while China is rising. The best days of America are GONE!

>> Mike Crystal Friday, January 14, 2011 5:52 PM Report Comment

Why don't you make it more complicated than it already is? I am not an accountant. Give me a break. Why don't you make it simple so we can understand it?

>> Lawrence A. Tubbiolo Friday, January 14, 2011 5:54 PM Report Comment


>> JAY BURKE Friday, January 14, 2011 5:56 PM Report Comment

Why is it that TAX on Part D Medicare is taken from my Social Security? Why is Part B tax taken out but no tax for my Medicare B of Advantage Plan that is taken from my SS check?

>> optomist Friday, January 14, 2011 5:59 PM Report Comment

We all pay for the uninsured in the end. This reform act is not much different than Romney, Bob Dole or Richard Nixon had enacted/envisioned. As a home care nurse, I see many good decent people who are poor and sick and need our help- what do you plan to do to help them survive? Aren't we better than this? Why do you have to demonize people who are less fortunate than you, or who disagree with you? Im interested to see your responses....Aren't we all in this together? What has happened to US- why so angry?

>> Margi Friday, January 14, 2011 6:01 PM Report Comment

If this lurch into socialism is allowed to stand you will get to see how the third world lives...up close and personal.

>> pompey Friday, January 14, 2011 6:01 PM Report Comment

hang em high

>> deepak Friday, January 14, 2011 6:05 PM Report Comment

Everyone is missing the BIG enchilada here. The NHS (UK's health service)...which Obamacare is modeled after...employs 1.2 million people (about 75% of which are administrators), which equates to 1 admin per 40 citizens. In the US, that would mean employing 7.5million administrators! At average gov't wage of $70k, that's over $500billion per year in wage disbursements at taxpayer expense! And, of course, they will unionize and demand higher wages as the program progresses. It won't be long before it's $1trillion per year!! The BIG wealth transfer is hidden here. Repeal the bill NOW!!!!!

>> GoodGolly Friday, January 14, 2011 6:08 PM Report Comment

Don't trust the Government? They ripped off Social Security for 2.5 TRILLION. Hasn't the Government earned your trust? The Obamacare is the death of our freedom of choice! And the ironic part it that Obama is not even a citizen! You got no "President", What you got is a pretender who can't wait to steal your rights and your money!

>> mark Friday, January 14, 2011 6:09 PM Report Comment


>> gregario Friday, January 14, 2011 6:12 PM Report Comment

IRS pays ZERO bills, stated President Reagan. Please listen to

for details and documentation. All IRS tax goes down a rat hole. With all the increases herein, we are doomed. We MUST audit the IRS by the GAO, who must report directly to we people. 44forest44

>> Forest Friday, January 14, 2011 6:12 PM Report Comment

...to continue my rant...the NHS is the third largest employment ‘agency’ on the planet behind the Chinese Red Army and India’s national railway service. All things being equal, a US socialized health system would, conservatively, employ about 7 million people (vaulting it into first place!). Each voting cycle, Dems and Repubs will be tripping over themselves to get this voting block in their corner. And, how do they do this you ask? Well, they promise higher wages and lavish pension plans for these folks. And who’s paying for that? We are! Higher taxes. Worse health care. Massive rationing. Unbelievable nightmare. REPEAL NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

>> GoodGolly Friday, January 14, 2011 6:14 PM Report Comment

For all of you "dying for" socialized medicine (and you will be dying) I have a real time story of how bad it is. I work in an ER near an airport. Family from England lands with a daughter crying because of a headache. Come to ER, and have a CAT scan in 30 minutes. Father say "She's had headaches like this for over a year and we've been on a CAT scan waiting list for a year, wondering if she had a tumor, and in 30 minutes she has a CAT scan in the US? And you Americans want OUR health care?"

>> Paul 30 year RN Friday, January 14, 2011 6:14 PM Report Comment

I currently have health insurance through my employer. When the mandate kicks in I will drop my coverage. Since at that point they wont be able to deny pre-existing conditions I will not have coverage unless I get sick. I will then get coverage until I am done with whatever treatment I need when I will again drop my coverage. And they wont be able to punish me because the punishment is a tax that can really only be collected from people who are owed a refund. Since I pay taxes every year I simply wont pay the extra tax. The law prohibits them from throwing me in jail for not not paying and it prohibits them from adding further fines, penalties and interest.

>> Brian Friday, January 14, 2011 6:16 PM Report Comment

This Tax hike is only bad for the people with jobs, by 2014 there won't be many of those folks left.

>> Marcus Friday, January 14, 2011 6:19 PM Report Comment

"The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury.†~ George Washington http://911essentials.com

>> Aunt Bee Friday, January 14, 2011 6:20 PM Report Comment

People have lost focus, there is a government run health care system in place already. It's the VA, and look how good of job the government runs that. And if you need any clarification ask anyone in the military.

>> Michael Friday, January 14, 2011 6:21 PM Report Comment

Thank goodness this is going to be repealed...if not now then after 2012..hopefully before it gets it's claws further into our government.....It's great to know we finally have people in congress who have the power to fight this.....Can you imagine if Pelosi was still running the House???....It gives me the shivers!!..

>> Bob Friday, January 14, 2011 6:25 PM Report Comment

Makes me smile only for a second when I hear people complaining about Obamacare. I sure do wish people would have made an effort to find out what Obama was all about BEFORE the election. I hope the repubs can muster up enough momentum to repeal this huge steaming pile of bull manure, I won't be suprised if they don't though. Here we are getting INTO socialized medicine and the european are going towards getting OUT of socialized medicine because it don't work. On top of that, Obamacare was patterned after Michigan's already failed system. I just SMHL.

>> harold Friday, January 14, 2011 6:30 PM Report Comment

That last one. Folks really need to read that one carefully. It gives the IRS the power to deem that your deductions do not apply as you're just trying to reduce your tax obligation. Think about it.

>> LeRoy Friday, January 14, 2011 6:30 PM Report Comment

Margi, Health Insurance and Heath care are two totaly separate things. EVERYONE can get health care FREE by waking into any hospital, but the productive, and responsible members of our society go to the expense and effort of obtaining insurance to help pay the bills, instead of stiffing the hospital. I understand that there are poorer people in our society that cannot provide for themselves, but dragging the country into a socialist model only gurantees all of us, including you, a much lower quality of care. Disagree? Point out a successful gvt run system anywhere else in the world that does not take more from the citizens than it gives.

>> Opie Friday, January 14, 2011 6:33 PM Report Comment

Margi, these people are not entitled to my money. These people are victims of welfare. Get rid of welfare, get the government out of our way and these people will find ways to survive. By the way, I'm from Massachusetts and Romney Care is bankrupting our state.

>> Paul Hickey Friday, January 14, 2011 6:34 PM Report Comment

This mess of a bill is based on just so many lies. How could so many people far for it?! Repeal now, impeach next!

>> Jon Carry Friday, January 14, 2011 6:35 PM Report Comment

Worst. President. Ever. Time he was removed from power, as the Libs say, "By any means necessary".

>> LibsAreCommies Friday, January 14, 2011 6:48 PM Report Comment

MARGI - i agree. We are better than this. We are BETTER than this government atrocity! I am all FOR helping the poor and disadvantaged. I assume most Americans are, but this bill is a total horror. Case in point: in 2009, Texas enacted massive TORT reform. Since then, the # of doctors moving to the state has nearly tripled and the health costs have been cut by nearly 40%. In fact, Texas now has THOUSANDS of applicants for doctors who want to move there and practice. Why in the world did this Obama-nightmare-care bill not have TORT reform first and foremost??? Well, in the words of Howard Dean: "Congress would rather take on the insurance companies than the lawyer lobby"

>> GoodGolly Friday, January 14, 2011 6:52 PM Report Comment

And just think..he stopped ALL oil drilling for Americans but Cuba/China start drilling next week in Florida Gulf..he just killed the biggest COAL contract in US history!!-thx Lisa Jackson (EPA)..he talks, smiles then behind the scenes he stabs Americans in the back!! Now $1B to run for office again!!! WOW--they LOVE that POWER over US. OBAMACARE sucks!!! DEMO-RATS have destroyed everything good..for our grandchildren!!IMPEACH!!! ALL of THEM!! GET RID of liberal media!!!

>> saxton Friday, January 14, 2011 6:54 PM Report Comment

Page 360 of Obamacare (HR 4872) states that the US Govt and Insurance Companies will be forced to pay for physician assisted suicides. If forced onto my medical practice I will immigrate to another county elsewhere.

>> Doc Ed Friday, January 14, 2011 6:57 PM Report Comment


>> GoodGolly Friday, January 14, 2011 6:57 PM Report Comment

A service/skill perfomed by an individual is now a 'right' for all. Intersting.

>> Sean Friday, January 14, 2011 7:02 PM Report Comment

Impeach first... Then Repeal. IRS will disallow deductions that reduce tax liability... What MOR0N gave them that ability? The only reason for the deductions is to reduce your taxes! So the IRS is working against the Tax Code!!

>> James Wood Friday, January 14, 2011 7:08 PM Report Comment

Socialized medicine like Britain or even Canada is not a reasonable model by any standard... notice the whiners that post their love for socialized medicine do not address the many taxes... as usual, liberals (aka secular socialists) are the worst at debate or reality. They never stop pushing OzLand policies that have failed worldwide. Why? They must be the dumbest humans God ever made.

>> The Reelman Friday, January 14, 2011 7:16 PM Report Comment

I just looked up ONE of the things they will be taxing "black liquor" guess what it is something that 80% of the paper companies use to POWER their plants.. it is the waste from making paper.. So it appears that Now Obama is taxing actual GREEN tech. since the power it creates to run it's plants is STEAM.. So now there will be NO full time jobs available and Obama has made it more appealing to hire Illegals..

>> HPS Friday, January 14, 2011 7:17 PM Report Comment

"I'm from Massachusetts and Romney Care" Why is it referred to as 'Romney Care"? Isn't the majority of Massachusetts Democrats and isn't that what the majority of the Democrats wanted? Could it be that that is why the govenor signed the bill. So could we say, perhaps, that it's a Massachusetts Healthcare? Understand that there is a back story to this healthcare program...does anyone know or care to know what it is?

>> FactChk Friday, January 14, 2011 7:20 PM Report Comment

Clueless Joel Friday, January 14, 2011 1:10 PM says "This is great. The bill will be paid for and 30 million people will have coverage that never had it before. Not to mention no more cap on benefits or pre-existing conditions. >> The aircraft is going down in flames but let me get you another pillow Joel so you are more comfortable!

>> BraceForImpact_NOW Friday, January 14, 2011 7:27 PM Report Comment

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

>> supersniffy Friday, January 14, 2011 7:34 PM Report Comment

First Obama said it wasn't a tax (in order to keep a campaign promise.) Then in court, his Administration insisted it is a tax. What is it, Mr. President. Is it a tax? Yes or No?

>> Tastes Like Chicken Friday, January 14, 2011 7:37 PM Report Comment

Joel, the democrat leaders love people like you. They simply love you. You will believe what you want to believe so they will tell you what you want to hear. There is a ZERO chance that this "program" will pay for itself. ZERO.

>> Gary Friday, January 14, 2011 7:41 PM Report Comment

As to Joel, there are not anywhere near 30 million uninsured who want government health care. Probably closer to 8 million. Just giving them a Blue Cross Blue Shield policy would by 1/10 of what Obamacare costs. As to the the concerned home health nurse. Same answer. Those who are truly needy after the billions we all spend on medicaid, medicare fraud, and illegals getting health care, could still be covered at a fraction of the cost of Obamacare. Obamacare is not about helping the truly needy. We Americans will take it upon ourselves to do that when we know what is needed. It is about power and control.

>> Alan Friday, January 14, 2011 7:45 PM Report Comment

Good thing the Repubs will never get the votes to repeal the bill! And even if they do, Obama can just veto it! LOL!!! I love watching the crazies get riled up. Although, for the way the cons call this a "christian" nation...the cons sure do hate their fellow man, all the while collecting government welfare themselves (medicare, social security)...but I guess they deserve their welfare, as they say.

>> TeaPartyAmerican1776 Friday, January 14, 2011 7:50 PM Report Comment

Having read all this, I never again want to hear, " we have to pass this bill so we can see what's in it". Our Republic is in mortal danger, and as Thomas Jefferson said, "out republic must occasionally be refreshed by the blool of tyrants and patriots". As Patrick Henry said, "is life so sweet or peace so dear as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?" We must take back our government, peacefully if at all possible, but take it back nevertheless.

>> Sam Friday, January 14, 2011 7:55 PM Report Comment

Your government was democratically elected. Just because your team isn't in power doesn't mean its a tyranny. And based on the latest polls...most of the country has a favorable rating of Obama, so please, tone down the rhetoric. The only moral danger to the republic I see is from the massive corporations that the Republicans continue to deregulate and give corporate welfare to. Your politicians are not listening to you, only the corporations that buy them off. Its really a simple concept...look at who accepts donations from which industry, see how they vote. Your representatives are bought and paid for.

>> RandomGuy11231 Friday, January 14, 2011 7:59 PM Report Comment

Democrats did all this in secret. This Socialism Scam is all their fault. This will ruin the "world's best medical system". Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid should be held accountable. We need Congressional Hearing on this travesty.

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>> dtukldtulkt Friday, January 14, 2011 8:11 PM Report Comment

Let me understand. Obamacare is covering 30 Million who weren't covered? How many aren't covered by choice? How many aren't covered because of legal status? Of the aforementioned, how many simply haven't applied? Nobody is refused care. Obama says all rates are going down because everyone is now covered. But wait, the latest is "of course rates are going up, you're adding 30 Mil to the rolls". We have to add 16K+ IRS agents to the already bloated gov't. payroll to "enforce" insurance laws? I'm very confused. Final question: If an Obamacare patron has an abortion (I know its legal), would that not be income tax evasion, as the law is written?

>> kelly Friday, January 14, 2011 8:13 PM Report Comment

Un friggin believable. Actually, it's quite believable with O in office

>> Magnus13 Friday, January 14, 2011 8:21 PM Report Comment

This should never happened if private insurance and private health care wasn't so deceptive and expensive at the same time.

>> Deon Warwick Friday, January 14, 2011 8:26 PM Report Comment

@teapartyamerican1776: you mention 'collecting govt welfare (medicare, soc programs are not govt welfare..they are programs that we have been forced to pay into for many years, with the govt's promise of receiving benefits in our senior years. It is not welfare to those that have paid for it, but I'm sure you knew that and only want to antagonize the honest, hardworking taxpayers. By the way, you do realize the govt skims trillions of dollars from these programs for whatever they want...It is theft in my opinion and those funds should be lockboxed.

>> Fossey Friday, January 14, 2011 8:39 PM Report Comment

Joel, If you're so pleased with being screwed by this boondoggle, perhaps you would be willing to take over my part of the payment for it as well, ya liberal putz.

>> 1GregM Friday, January 14, 2011 8:41 PM Report Comment

The tax increases with health care for all are inevitable. Unfortunately Canadians and politicians are quickly beginning to realize that universal health care is unsustainable. In 2010 the premier of Ontario stated that 46% of the budget was allocated to health care expenses. The real stinging admission is that health care expenses are projected to increase to 70% in 12 years! This kind of increase is unsustainable and run the rest of the provinces services. What are the options? Reduced services - health care - other services - increased taxes. For our neighbors to the south, please be careful what you wish. http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/844586--mcguinty-urges-provinces-to-join-forces-on-drug-regimes

>> Canuck Friday, January 14, 2011 8:41 PM Report Comment

Reelman said: ". notice the whiners that post their love for socialized medicine do not address the many taxes..." The liberals who think this pile of crap called ObamaCare is so wonderful are those who for the most part don't pay taxes as they are the welfare bums who sit around with their hand out wanting the rest of the working people to pay for their stupidity and laziness.

>> Buzz Friday, January 14, 2011 8:42 PM Report Comment

These taxes are minuscule, and most of them only affect 250K+ earners. Big deal. I am looking forward to the new health plan, and the better coverage for all, and bye bye pre existing condition denials.

>> Eric Friday, January 14, 2011 8:49 PM Report Comment

TeaPartyAmerican1776, I have actually BEEN to several TeaParty events you DEAD FROM THE NECK UP PROGESSIVE PARASITE. I'm sick and tired of non-thinking elitist like you making BASELESS ASSERTIONS using ONLY EMOTIONS to back up your IRRATIONAL points!!! As for your BASELESS ASSERTION that Conservatives HATE their fellow man, lets look at that F word Progessives HATE- FACTS. You don't offer EVEN one specific example of behavior that proves conservatives HATE their fellow man, again you just make BASELESS EMOTIONAL, IRRATIONAL ASSERTIONS.

>> Carl Friday, January 14, 2011 8:50 PM Report Comment

Joel is a sickeningly deluded Democrat. The comment about 30 million newly covered is a joke... what happened to the 48 million number all the Democrats used to throw around? Also, HIPAA (enacted back in the 90s)dramatically rolled back the rule about pre-exisiting condition exclusions quite a long time ago. So when this President talks about fixing "pre-ex" I can't help but wince at his blatent dishonesty. If Congress was serious about pre-ex they could have enacted a more precise, HIPAA II type legislative approach and incrementally improved coverage rather than gut a private care system, that while certainly imperfect, served the vast majority beautifully -- and much better than what the saps in the rest of the world receive.

>> Dennis Fisher Friday, January 14, 2011 8:59 PM Report Comment


>> Don Grimes Friday, January 14, 2011 9:07 PM Report Comment

IRS does not write the tax laws or tax codes - Congress does that. The IRS only enforces the tax laws. Also , I bet there will be a ton of insurance fraud if Obamacare passes - oh wait, we already have that right now - I mean insurance fraud x 100.

>> land of the not so free Friday, January 14, 2011 9:10 PM Report Comment

So, the new CEO of Duke Power will be making 8 million per year and an health insurance executive may make only 500 K??

>> VaughnHathaway Friday, January 14, 2011 9:12 PM Report Comment

All those in favor of Obamacare, if these market based incentives are to entice people into buying their own healthcare at their own expense, did you not stop to wonder where they are spending the money they collect from all these tax increases. It isn't to cover the over 40 million that will still be without health insurance. The Obamacare proposals violate the constitution and one by one at someone other than your expense they will fall in the courts.

>> Tjp Friday, January 14, 2011 9:18 PM Report Comment

Great Joel, and you can continue to live in your parents basementand get health care without ever having to grow up and get a job.

>> mike Friday, January 14, 2011 9:20 PM Report Comment

As to feeling bad about collecting social security and medicare? If they were privatized and invested conservatively over the average workers lifetime, they'd retire a multi-millionaire. Instead under the careful supervision of the government the program faces bankruptcy where current workers retirement depends not on what they have paid into social security, but on what some future generation pays into social security. The money you pay in to the fund today gets paid out rather quickly to current retirees. You have no money in the social security fund. You have a promise of future money that can be negated by law at any time.

>> Tjp Friday, January 14, 2011 9:23 PM Report Comment

The Democratic machine of zero transparency pushed this scam of the century into the American sector. While you sleep your civil liberties are eroding, your taxes increasing higher, the demographics of citizenry changing for third world and Islamic demands, more police powers over your life. This illegitimate elected official has an agenda to socialize us and strip rights away; once the public wake up and rise up he and the ghetto wife will flee to another country. This country is pushed towards a civil conflict whether it's legal, physical or moral..something will break.

>> blah blah Friday, January 14, 2011 9:24 PM Report Comment

This is in response to Joel. Why not just insure the people who have no insurance and leave the rest of us alone. This is so stupid and complicated and so un-American.

>> Jim C. Friday, January 14, 2011 9:29 PM Report Comment

Hey, Margie. Those people you speak of are not my dependents. I did not beget them. I stopped at 2 children because that is all I felt I could support. Now you want me to support every Tom, Dick, and Harry that walks in the door? Sorry, I have my own bills to take care of, and my own set of problems. Keep your hands out of my wallet.

>> ImBigMo Friday, January 14, 2011 9:35 PM Report Comment

Obamacare is as bad a proposal as Clinton's healthcare proposal was, only Obama and his blind followers spent a legislative year pushing it through into law at the expense of needed regulations and laws being considered at a time when creation of new jobs was vastly more important than any provision of this healthcare law.

>> Tjp Friday, January 14, 2011 9:37 PM Report Comment

This is more than socialization. This is frightening. This must be repealed now.

>> Belleburgh Friday, January 14, 2011 9:39 PM Report Comment

The House of Representatives is set to vote to repeal this disastrous healthcare bill next Wednesday, January 19th. Obamacare was created and passed for one reason: to drive every American citizen into a public option health care system that will ration health care. If the House of Representatives cannot repeal Obamacare, it will bankrupt our nation. It will be the end of freedom in America. If the government can force you to buy health care insurance, it can force you to buy anything. It can also take anything away from you that it wants in the name of health care. America is at a crossroad. Pray for our nation today.

>> Scott Friday, January 14, 2011 9:42 PM Report Comment

Under "Flexible Spending Account Cap" section, the last line should denote current law, but it only says: "Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education." For clarification, this should read: "Under current tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education."

>> GregE Friday, January 14, 2011 9:43 PM Report Comment

E X E M P T P A Y E R S MUSLIMS ARE E X E M P T from Obama c a r e because it is against their religion!!!!!!

>> Bill Friday, January 14, 2011 9:53 PM Report Comment

It is very simple: insure everyone to bring down costs. I have little respect for those who wish to settle for the status quo system of an inefficient and wasteful system, and admire those like President Obama who are trying to fix the dire healthcare crisis. This bill is not perfect and I don't agree with everything that is in it, but it is progress towards a more affordable system for our children.

>> Andrew Friday, January 14, 2011 9:54 PM Report Comment

I have heard no solutions on this page to 30M uninsured (which you all pay for anyway!) Only hysteria. Republicans have had years - years! - in power to address this national disgrace - and did nothing. N-O-T-H-I-N-G. And now you all complain when the Democrats try to do something. So think about it - if Republicans did something, say 10 years ago, "Obamacare" is a non issue. If you don't like it, nobody to blame but you.

>> robert Friday, January 14, 2011 10:04 PM Report Comment

Its only no more pre-existing conditions for children not adults and children already could stay on most plans to age 26 so what it is, is a plan to make insurance companies go out of business cause they are no longer allowed to cap the expenses at 5 million and have to cover all the mental and nervous as well as drugs and alcohol treatment. This will drive rates up extremely high for all. It also will result in rationed healthcare. Good job huh Joel? All so we have to install a government option so the government can control us cause a few elites know better than we do. Joel people like you should move to France or Canada so you can have your healthcare rationed dont force this crap down our throats we dont deserve it!

>> cheryl Friday, January 14, 2011 10:09 PM Report Comment

Robert we couldnt do anything cause the house was controlled by the commiecrats for the last 4 years and they would not entertain any of the ideas that our people came up with so dont say we didnt do anything, we couldnt do anything. We had good ideas and I work in the industry yet the ideas were thrown out for the lousy ideology of the brother of William Ayers and John Podesta, Van Jones and the other card carrying self-admitted communists that make up the Appollo Alliance that wrote the healthcare and stimulas bills. Look it up oh thats right you commiecrats refuse to do any research you listen to staterun media and think its the gospel truth.

>> cheryl Friday, January 14, 2011 10:14 PM Report Comment

I don't see what the problem is. Obama said it would be paid for. He just never said how. Doesn't seem any different then the bank bailouts, the wars, and all the humanitaian aid we give out. If these things were paid for we wouldn't have debt as a country. How obamacare has managed to get this far by violating law is beyond me. What happened to equal protection? Why is mcdonalds treated differently then any other business? How do you exempt one company and not the next?

>> James Woods Friday, January 14, 2011 10:17 PM Report Comment

We didn't need this. We could have made a law that insurance companies could not have caps. Though,why do we need one? Most policies cover up to 1 million. We could have made a single law to sell insurance across state boundaries. Republicans tried to put through these enhancements but the Dems. wouldn't let them because they cared more about politics than the people. This was nothing but a grab to nationalize every sector of our country. That's what Fabian socialists do.

>> Karen Friday, January 14, 2011 10:17 PM Report Comment

From experience: We have been health insurance brokers for the past 8 years, building a business for our family and our future. That business is now gone. We are losing our home. We have always paid for our own health insurance as self-employed people. Obamacare has destroyed what we have worked night and day to build, our own business. I have helped hundreds of individuals, self-employed people and small business owners with coverage over the years. Fortunately, we are not too old and we can start over with a lot of sweat and tears. Many cannot. People who support this bill are ignorant of what it really does. You can't fix stupid.

>> Paul Friday, January 14, 2011 10:19 PM Report Comment

Repeal this insane, Marxist redistribution of wealth bill! Barry needs to be a 1 term president before he destroys this country!

>> Michael Friday, January 14, 2011 10:20 PM Report Comment

As far as I am concerned Republican or Democrat has nothing to do with it, they are all the same. This country is becoming more and more socialistic every day. On top of this, the bail out money that went to the big banks, like Chase, is not being used for what it was supposed to be used for, to help with mortgages. I have not heard of one person they have actually helped. Have only heard of people who have been booted out of their homes. They just want to keep all of that money and all of the properties as well. Not much of a surprise. All we can do is take things one day at a time until the Lord comes back. I for one can't wait! And all of the evil in this world will be judged!! Yeah!!!!!!!!!

>> Patricia Gough Friday, January 14, 2011 10:25 PM Report Comment

Andrew, you libtard, I have long since paid for my children and grandchildren. Why should I pay for yours? My money is not yours to spend, nor is it the governments to spend. I'll keep my money, you keep the change..

>> Tony Friday, January 14, 2011 10:28 PM Report Comment

cheryl - 1) The republicans controlled both houses of congress for 12 years and the presidency for 6 of those 12 years. No solution ever offered. 2) You really should stop listening to Glen Beck. And stop name calling. I can disagree with you - but that doesn't mean I'm a communist.

>> robert Friday, January 14, 2011 10:31 PM Report Comment

If you failed to buy house insurance, and it burns to the ground, should you be able to go and get insurance after the fact and have the insurance company pay for your loss? The pre-existing condition is going to cost the rest dearly. How can anyone be expected to pay for someone else's problem...who never contributed in the first place? This is not an equal world and it cannot be legislated to be equal.

>> jason Friday, January 14, 2011 10:31 PM Report Comment

Right, insure everyone to bring down the costs. The government who can't keep its own finances in order is now opening up a health care business. And what do you think will be the long term result? Just look at the post office, social security, the list goes on. All these services are just a shell now, and it's a matter of time before they belly up. And you trust them in healthcare business? Borrowing is their model, and we can only borrow from China and other countries for so long. And if you take into account all the interest that will need to be paid for all the borrowed money required to fund this constitutionally illegal program, it will cost "everyone" (to use your words) a hell of a lot more than what we're paying now!

>> Obama Care = Welfare Friday, January 14, 2011 10:50 PM Report Comment

The above comment was directed to Andrew. And let's not forget, more government programs = more opportunity for corruption... so while we have to repay another country for all this borrowed money (+ interest) for substandard health care (that a majority of Americans reject... look at the last election), Chicago style politics will kick in and somebody's going to get a kickback, if they haven't already. Sounds like a *loose* *loose* (and *loose* more) proposition to me... Bernie Madoff ponzi scheme style. BTW, did Obama used to hang out with Bernie? The reason I ask is I'm wondering where he got this idea : )

>> Obama Care = Welfare Friday, January 14, 2011 10:54 PM Report Comment

Seems like a good deal to me. Adds 30-40 million people to insurance, helps you buy insurance if you make less than $80k per year and your insurance costs more than ~10% of your income, ends pre-existing conditions, and ends lifetime caps on coverage (what good is insurance if it ends when you most desperately need it?). Repealing it would shorten lives, kick people off insurance, and continue the pattern of incredible increases in premiums that we have seen over the last 20 years.

>> Justin Friday, January 14, 2011 10:54 PM Report Comment

There will be "death Panels." no doubt about it. There is not an endless supply of money to cure everything on everyone. Just common sense. There is only so much "skin in the game."

>> mark Friday, January 14, 2011 11:09 PM Report Comment

I like the comments regarding pre-existing, especially from those who clearly haven't a clue. A pre-existing condition clause applies when you have had no prior coverage or a lapse in coverage, and I think that is pretty legit. I work my full time job, pay a ridiculous amount for health insurance, and I prefer it that way. I want options. I want to choose my doctor. I don't want to wait 2 hours in his office while he sees the same 4 munchausen syndrome-hypochondriacs before me, who are probably there every other week. As it stands now, physicians are allowed to choose their patients and the insurances they will accept. I think the level of care will drop once that right has been taken from them.

>> Barbara Friday, January 14, 2011 11:26 PM Report Comment

Why are undocumented aliens given an exception? They are allowed to attend school for free, they can collect welfare, they can use all of the services of the country (with few exceptions.) but they don't have to pay for any of it? Granted, it would be next to impossible to enforce or collect any of the fines and taxes, but giving an outright exemption to a group that puts massive strain on the current health system is just plain stupid.

>> TonyB Friday, January 14, 2011 11:33 PM Report Comment

I would rather the situation that I have a disease whose cure I can’t afford and therefore I must die than the situation where the government says you have a disease whose cure we can’t afford therefore you must die.

>> Doug Friday, January 14, 2011 11:36 PM Report Comment

Got to love entitlements. Check out Obama-Poker's post on the subject. They are new to the game, but the blog shows promise. Plus, their Obama-Poker meme is picking up a bit. Heard it on the radio the other day.

>> ZLudlum Friday, January 14, 2011 11:40 PM Report Comment

#1 if you walk into a hospital and get free care, they will attach your wages if you dont pay it, its only free if your indigent or dont care about having your wages attached. #2 as a senior im already finding my co pays going up, my SS not increaing, the tax on my SS up to 85% taxable. #4the medicare advantage(the only good thingout there) will be done away with under this program and all seniors will have basically medicade (which ive been on to) adn is only accepted by nurse practicioners and alows no visits to specialits like heart Drs. ect!

>> mr tolson Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:13 AM Report Comment

To TeaPartyAmerican1776........YOU NEED TO GET SOME "LEARNING"!!

>> Leo Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:19 AM Report Comment

goodgolly - I am not questioning your texas stats for the purpose of challenging you .. I am questioning because I would like to use your stats in arguments with others. Do you have a reference I can site about the texas tort reform and the effect of lower costs?

>> aaron armijo Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:22 AM Report Comment

$2,000 to $3,000 per employee will bankrupt my company and many others. This is ridiculous.

>> jefft Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:30 AM Report Comment

Andrew, precisely how does insuring everyone bring down costs?

>> Aaron Armijo Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:31 AM Report Comment

This is one more PONZI scheme created by Obama and Co. What did Pelosi say? We have to pass the bill to find out what's in it! Well now that we know what's in it the Dems are going to pay a SEVERE price in 2012 and you can take that to the bank!

>> Richard Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:33 AM Report Comment

Actually TeaParty American, it is people who want this healthcare bill that hate their fellow human being. I can't even count how many people I know on medicare and medicaid that can't get treatment because their government plan won't pay for care. Perhaps you should reearch what conditions are actually covered under other nationalized programs. They all have exclusions, as do ours. If you'd like to educate youself. Study the term statistical value of life, or value of a statistical life - those are the standards by which care will be doled out.

>> aaron armijo Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:37 AM Report Comment

This is good stuff. Like Joel says, it's paid for and not being able to be denied care is a huge deal. One day we may even get a disconnect of health care from our employers. (Employers would love this) Aaron, it brings down costs because there are more people in the insurance pool.

>> cgp Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:39 AM Report Comment

Repeal this UNCONSTITUTIONAL Obamacare NOW!

>> Cat Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:43 AM Report Comment

Like Obama, I agree with the phrase "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." If someone else wants to work 90 hour weeks, then let them. It doesn't mean they should make more money than me. I choose not to work because I have 7 children at home that need a mama. Why should I have any less of a lifestyle, and any less healthcare, than anyone else? Please explain WHY?

>> Diedrelene Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:43 AM Report Comment

What they are "promising" is health insurance it is not CARE ... you may "say" that people have "insurance" but they will not have the CARE...you will get only what the government deems "necessary" .. as Obama said famously during the election ... "take a pill don't get a pacemaker".

>> Cat Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:46 AM Report Comment

The administration and the democrats continue to toe the party line that Obama care will lower cost and reduce the deficit. The assertions are ludicrous....Obama care is a budget buster with monumental tax increases and an expansion of government never before seen....Read: Is The GOP Getting Outsmarted....at...... http://cooperscopy.blogspot.com/

>> cooperscopy Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:56 AM Report Comment

I am 64 years old. I have never had medical insurance and don't want any now. I have learned how to take care of my health and do so. When the FDA outlaws herbs and other supplements that work better than anything Big Pharma makes, I will have to leave to some country I can buy my homeopathic supplements. Anyone who thinks they need to have the gov't take care of them because they couldn't or didn't take care of themselves can die now. We all are going to die, sometime, some earlier than others. It's all about taking care of your own body and learning what keeps you healthy. And with that said, I will have another beer!

>> Chuck Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:59 AM Report Comment

Listen up moonbats. I will pay this over my CORPSE. You got me? I will refuse to pay your unconstitutional garbage, and I will tell the IRS to shove it. I will then make you clowns throw me in jail when I REFUSE to pay my fines. In jail I will come up with lawsuit after lawsuit to bring, and waist tax payer money - not to mention the fact that I will make sure I am constantly injured - I will transform myself into an absolute MAXIMUM drain on the system - purely to spite you Obamabots. I will cost you millions. You won't get a red cent outta me.

>> OverMyCorpse Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:00 AM Report Comment

I remember in the 2008 primaries, Obama said that his health care plan differed from Hillary's because his plan only focused on the poor. What ever happened to that? Why is he taking over everyone's health care instead? This is nothing but a big power grab. Greedy Government. They keep on finding new ways to intrude into everyone's personal business.

>> CraigMK Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:11 AM Report Comment

I've not be able to read the Obamacare Bill, myself--but someone commented that they had seen a part in this Bill-! "They said that it prohibited you from selling your house, until you had "updated" the house with the most recent "weatherization" & Plumbing, Heating, current-law standards for the most recent-years-!" If this is truely what he saw, then you are 'stuck' for nearly 8-12 thousands of dollars for improvements, before you can offer it for sale-! (And I've seen others on this same 'current-blog'--who said that the Bill demands you pay 3.8% of your sale-price to the Fed.govt! (If you're lucky enough, & it's a "Fire-Hazard", perhaps it might burn down-!)

>> 1953 Korean Vet Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:36 AM Report Comment

...and you wonder why scores of American doctors, dentists and other medical professionals are setting up modern, clean, well equipped offices and operating rooms in Mexico, Costa Rica, and other latin American countries??? Obama, Reid, Pelosi and the leftist Liberals are raping, pillaging and burning what we knew as the United States of America. WAKE UP AMERICA BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!!

>> GCK Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:40 AM Report Comment

I wonder if Ted Kennedy had this plan

>> Dumbass Taxpayer Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:41 AM Report Comment

Heathcare bill/Obamacare is not about health it is about money/greed, THis healthcare bill was done wrong. Back room deals with people who have money. Please Stop before it to late:

>> nancy Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:41 AM Report Comment

you people act like you have forgotten what it means to share. is it really gonna hurt you that much to give just a little bit of what you make to help those that are less fortunate? c'mon! we all need health care and we should all be able to receive it at a reasonable cost. if that means my taxes go up a tad, so be it. I am happy to do it. I don't understand how so many can have such a lack of compassion for others.

>> Brian Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:44 AM Report Comment

Nothing new here....just a lot more in plain sight for those too dumb to believe that the only free ride being provided by Obama and his crooks is on the backs (and pockets) of those of us that work for a living. Obama and the Democrats....buying your votes with taxpayer dollars until the money runs out.

>> Tyrone Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:52 AM Report Comment

"The problem with Socialism, is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - Margaret Thatcher

>> Richard Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:56 AM Report Comment

One good thing our unconstitutional government is good at is raising taxes. Soon we will all be broke. Until then, please continue to live in your la-de-da existence foos (there is plenty of mind numbing entertainment provided for you from the cable line coming into your house)....

>> Kevin Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:04 AM Report Comment

We're supposed to control government, all forms of government. We now are controlled from before birth, if allowed, to after death. We did less than half the job last november. We must finish the job at the next election(s).

>> Gary Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:18 AM Report Comment

'Codification of the “economic substance doctrineâ€(Tax hike of $4.5 billion). This provision allows the IRS to disallow completely-legal tax deductions and other legal tax-minimizing plans just because the IRS deems that the action lacks “substance†and is merely intended to reduce taxes owed.' This is definitely BIG BROTHER. I agree with the other commentor, Joel. If you want socialized medicine, please move to Canada, because this legislation needs to be toppled. I am not a wealthy person by any means, but, even I can see the evil of this implementation.

>> Dawn Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:23 AM Report Comment

Obama,Reid,BarnyFrank and Nancy are Scumbags!

>> dennis Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:26 AM Report Comment

We cannot afford this "healthcare" bill. Personally I can't afford to pay for everyone else's healthcare. I have enough trouble just paying for mine. And what on earth does investment income have to do with healthcare? I also understand that there's supposed to be a national sales tax on home sales in this bill. I didn't see it listed here. And to Diedrelene with 7 children at home. I understand you want to stay home and take care of your children. I hope you can provide for them. And if I choose to work 90 hours a week why shouldn't I make more than you? You want MY paycheck to provide for your 7 children? You chose to have that many, you provide for them. Don't expect me to do it for you.

>> kaygem Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:26 AM Report Comment

I am an engineer earning $40k per year and my wife is and engineer earning $40k per year and we have no health insurance. My wife became preganant and now it is impossible to get health insurance. If something goes wrong with the pregnancy we will have to cover the entire $50k. I am a republican do not like taxes but the health care system does not work. I wish Obama Care was in place now so we were not playing russian roulete with our child. One pregnancy could ruin our lives. It should not be like this.

>> Nick T Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:41 AM Report Comment

You want to fix healthcare? Outlacode visit co-pays and prescription co-pays. when patients have to use their own money to pay for the dr the costs will plummet. No one in thier right mind would ever pay 125$ for a runny nose.

>> Paul g Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:43 AM Report Comment

Outlaw dr visit co-Pays that is... Stupid apple spell checker

>> Paul g Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:49 AM Report Comment

To diedrelene - obamacare will be of no use to you because there is no cure for what ails you (stupidity). Why didn't you stop at 2 babies, then work to provide a living for them, instead of popping out more of them to be a burden on the rest of us. Where do you think that welfare money comes from if not from those of us who work the 90 hour weeks! I don't know why I'm even wasting my time writing this, when you're obviously too ignorant to understand it.

>> buckaroo Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:50 AM Report Comment

To those of you who with blinders on, I suggest you stop listening to the biased liberal media, and do a little research on your own regarding obamacare. You'll find it is not the dream you've been led by them to believe. It's ironic to me that the only people who are for this bill are naive people who simplistically allow themselves to be led to slaughter like trusting lambs. It seems that nobody who has actually done any reading on the subject is in favor of it.

>> buckaroo Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:58 AM Report Comment

do not forget to vote, and please pressure our fed to vigorously perform its job of arresting and jailing and fining and deporting illegal voters.

>> howard from broward Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:02 AM Report Comment

As a doctor who works in a hospital I feel this is an excellent proposal. While it will increase taxes for some (those making $200,000+ a year) it will allow the majority of Americans access to affordable healthcare. The reality, if you work in a hospital, is that we don't turn away dying people because they don't have healthcare. We do our best to get our money, but the bill is simply paid by the government later. At least now everyone has a responsibility to themselves and each other. The majority of commentaries come from those with no medical experience. You simply don't understand It looks like Obamacare is here to stay! God Bless America

>> Dr. Richard Esther, MD, PhD. Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:02 AM Report Comment

To those of you who with blinders on, I suggest you stop listening to the biased liberal media, and do a little research on your own regarding obamacare. You'll find it is not the dream you've been led by them to believe. It's ironic to me that the only people who are for this bill are naive people who simplistically allow themselves to be led to slaughter like trusting lambs. It seems that nobody who has actually done any reading on the subject is in favor of it.

>> buckaroo Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:10 AM Report Comment

I am really disappointed in the state of my fellow Americans. "Shut up" "go to Canada" "Hang em high" What the hell is wrong with you people? What is wrong with people who can not afford health care having access to preventive health care? What about helping your fellow person? I think it is wonderful that a Doctor under the current plan can make a ton of money but I miss the days when my family doctor would come to the house and give my mom a bunch of free samples of medicines because we could not afford to get them from the pharmacy. I admire, respect, and just plain ole like PRESIDENT Obama and I will be voting for him again in 2012! GO OBAMA pissing off the rednecks one at a time!

>> US Army Officer Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:13 AM Report Comment

If the government would get off my back and out of my wallet I would have the money to buy health insurance.

>> iopian Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:15 AM Report Comment

To Dr. Richard Esther - After following this debate closely for nearly two years, you're only the second doctor I've heard from who is in favor of this bill. Most doctors are very worried about the extra workload and the strain of meeting all the new regulations. And are you sure it's the government who simply pays later for the uninsured? I've been under the impression that those of us who have insurance or are self-pay patients are paying higher prices for services provided to us to take up that slack.

>> Mary Sue Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:20 AM Report Comment

ummm you forgot the added Gold tax for if you sell your gold coins or jewelry ot gold bars and they total over $600 you must report this to the IRS and pay a tax on it! check it out! They snuck this one in too!

>> Keen Heaslett Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:24 AM Report Comment

I definitely fall into the poverty level on income, but I've always provided for my own needs, and have never asked for anyone else to pay my way. I work for what I buy, including healthcare. There've been extended times when I couldn't afford insurance, so I paid out-of-pocket for any needed medical care, or went without. That is the American way. Our Constitution gaurantees everone EQUAL RIGHTS, not a FREE RIDE. The only thing we are ENTITLED to as American citizens is the freedom to work and live free in this amazing country. I only deserve what I can afford - nothing more.

>> Ailene Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:35 AM Report Comment

In this new American Socialistic Society, where the government takes our earnings, then redistributes it (and believe it, that IS the principal behind Obamacare), where is the incentive for people to do for others? With the government taking care of everybody, there is no need for humanitarianism. People would be (and were) more willing to help the unfortunate when allowed freedom of choice.

>> John Q. Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:44 AM Report Comment

John Q.: Hey, I'm not sure you're aware of this or not, but you probably aren't, because people of your intelligence don't make enough money to know this: The richest people in America pay about 15% in taxes of what they make. Warren Buffet pays a lower percent in taxes than does his secretary. Do you want to know why? I would rather you google it and figure that out cause you wouldn't believe me if I just straight up told you. Let me give you the opportunity to do the first real research you've ever done in your life. By the way, college has been great, too bad you never went.

>> Ali Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:14 AM Report Comment

Look, that came out pretty harsh, but you can't say our country is socialist when it's not. That's just a false claim. It's basically a lie. Socialism is when the government controls all big industries, which is obviously doesn't. That is why there is the term "private business". I'm all for less government, but also, if you wanna go that far, then you have to actually commit to that. Because on social issues, Republicans (as I'm sure you are) want more government. Abortion and immigration for example.

>> Ali Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:21 AM Report Comment

Its funny how the goverment can totally make a mess of society and thwart prosperity, circle around, approach society and say "Hey, I see your in a mess but have we got a great plan that will help!" Whats more ridiculous is that educated citizens trust the government for more govenment to implement a cure?? Less government in every facet of our lives is the proven path to a healthy world, those who deny this dont know history and are the real 'rednecks'.

>> saer Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:15 AM Report Comment

You must be lying. President Obama promised NO NEW TAXES for 95% OF Americans. This article must be a misprint.

>> Dennis in WV Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:31 AM Report Comment

Dr. Esther - I don't believe you're a doctor at all. Its impossible and be a stupid as you are.

>> John Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:36 AM Report Comment

Wrong, Ali. Communism is when government controls all big business. Socialism is exactly the direction of this government. It currently controls the banking industry, majority of the auto industry, the domestic oil industry, the health industry, the broadcast industry, and the TAX industry. Make no mistake. When more than 50% of the public does not pay taxes, and the tax rules are designed to redistribute wealth you are left with socialism.

>> Dennis in WV Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:38 AM Report Comment

To Nick T: Buy two airline tickets ($1K each) to another country with good health services at affordable prices. A natural delivery for a 7 day stay at an excellent hospital in the capital will cost you $1-2K. Go on a vacation afterwards to the beach or elsewhere at a cost of $1K. Total maximum cost, without any worries, $5K. Americans do not need to accept a monopolistic, non-choice placed on them by the government that plays the middle class (who will be the primary beneficiaries of the law) off of the upper class (who will pay for the law).

>> WatchingFromOverseas Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:43 AM Report Comment

Only more competition (i.e. allow insurance companies to offer policies in all states, eliminate the AMA's control over the number of healthcare providers in the market through licensing restrictions, reduce patent right periods for drugs developed to 5 years before less-expensive generics can be offered, tort reform to control frivolous lawsuits and the capping malpractice liability levels, etc) will fix US healthcare, not taxes. A system of all sticks will fail relative to a system of more carrots with fewer sticks.

>> MiltonFriedmanWatching Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:47 AM Report Comment

We will see and then let's hear from the those for it!

>> Jim Morrison Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:58 AM Report Comment


>> JEROME SEXTON Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:16 AM Report Comment

THIS IS WAAAAAAAY UNDERSTATED. fORM 1099 REPORTING WILL CAUSE TENS OF BILLIONS TAX TO BE OWED BY COMPANIES TO THE STATES WHERE THEY NEVER FILED RETURNS AND FOR UNPAID AND UNDERPAID TAXES AND SALES AND USE TAXES. Check out this article from left-leaning DailyKos: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/9/5/899181/-Health-Care-1099-Law-Will-Yield-BILLIONS-of-Found-Money-to-Struggling-State-Coffers.-

>> RealityBites Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:21 AM Report Comment

I'm a part of the 30 million uninsured. I didn't ASK for it, I didn't want it!

>> Kira Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:21 AM Report Comment

On a more scary note, watch and learn about the US population's Road to Serfdom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRS-Ft3uEz8

>> WatchingFromOverseas Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:35 AM Report Comment


>> Bud Skippy Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:36 AM Report Comment

As one who is already getting hit with this type of health care system here in mass. I can tell you it sucks. I had to wait 2 months to see a urologist because the hospital that I have to go to had three. two of them left the state of mass. because they were getting screwed in this system. ( I know a assistant to one of them ) get ready united states this is comming your way. I also was forced to buy into the state run system i was recieving insurance through my employer but the state says the coverage isnt good enough for their standard. I now have to buy from the state and the coverage isnt any different than my old plan.

>> Tiredofitall Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:47 AM Report Comment

Amazing. Taxes continue to go up and nothing about our lives gets any better.

>> JPrimus Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:49 AM Report Comment

Hey Diedrelene, I will happily explain...keep your legs closed OR try having sex with a condom! These are your kids, not mine, you chose to have them, not me, you chose to get fu*ked, I did not!

>> Obama's little dick Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:52 AM Report Comment

Obamacare becomes the iron fist of communism. Refuse to comply and watch the Obama wrath. Because it will be so hard to track once implemented, you will then be introduced to Obamacare's hidden intent. That will be the prophecied MARK.

>> cmc Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:56 AM Report Comment

To Mary Sue--I respect your comment. Many private practice doctors are not excited about the new government healthcare option, but I wouldn't be worried too much. A single payer system was not established so the doctor does have the right (as they do now) to turn away patients. They cannot discriminate but they can choose not to see the patient due to a overwhelming caseload. I think they should not worry too much about it. If it was a single payer system I would agree with their concern.

>> Dr. Richard Esther, MD, PhD. Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:57 AM Report Comment

---Continued---- Regarding the government roles, I work at a county hospital (public) and we take care of all the patients we see. While wait times for non-life threatening conditions can be more than 24 hours, we do eventually treat the patient. As a result, taxpayers do end up paying their bills. Some disagree with this, but I doubt they would have the heart to turn away a dying patient because his the operation would be 50% of his yearly salary. If they are willing to do this, they probably have no heart. It's easy to say "don't treat them" when you don't have to see their families crying, their children who will be orphaned, or their spouse who will inherit the debt.

>> Dr. Richard Esther, MD, PhD. Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:01 AM Report Comment

Hey Nick, 80k between you, you choose not to get health insurance on a gamble, and now you lost your bet and are complaining that you may have to shell our 50k for a baby? What would you have paid for HC premiums? You gambled and lost. you are a looser. Maybe we should help out all those gamblers in those Indian Casinos that loose their paychecks too. Hell, lets just open the vault for anyone who wants free money!

>> Obamas Little Package Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:02 AM Report Comment

As a disabled American who does rely on many prescriptions to stay alive, I am completely against this outrageous invasion of freedom. I have to pay for all of my expenses out of pocket, and trust me, they are expensive! But I would much rather pay for my own responsibilities than to make everyone else pay for them. It's MY illness, and there is no reason why you should have to pay for it. Yeah, It sucks having added expenses that I didn't ask for, but that's just the way it goes. It's the hand I've been dealt and its up to me to pay for my expenses or I die. And as an American, I'd rather DIE than accept a single red cent of taxpayer money for my private concerns.

>> Theis Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:03 AM Report Comment

Where's the part about reducing health costs again?? Repeal and vote. Repeal and vote. Repeal and vote.

>> Barry Bin Inhalin Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:06 AM Report Comment

Well if this happens, my husband's employer will have to let a workforce of around 40 people go due to not being able to fund $2000 per employee for healthcare. Goodbye job, goodbye Blue Cross/Blue Shield Preferred Care Blue, goodbye house, goodbye cars, goodbye furniture, goodbye safe neighborhood-- hello unemployment line, hello medicaid, hello apartment in low rent district, hello Goodwill furnishings, hello drive-by shootings.... "Change We Can Believe In...Yes We Can..."

>> Don't know what to say Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:20 AM Report Comment

We do no need kind heath care .need repeal on billusa.age 61 white disable person ssi check $93.00 month

>> LEE R KENT Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:20 AM Report Comment

This is what you get when democrats are elected...higher taxes and less freedom...why on earth do people still support and vote for this party of retards is beyond reason???

>> OnlyAnAmerican1 Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:24 AM Report Comment

There is no tax on "Income" for private non federally connected citizens. See Article one Sections two and nine of our Constitution.The 16th Amendment did not change this and did not add new taxes. See the many Supreme Court rulings on the 16th Amendment. My favorite is by Chief justice Byron "Whizzer" White who said "The 16th Amendment did not authorize any new type of tax, nor repeal or revoke the tax clauses of Article one of The Constitution." What is needed is education about the "Income tax" and who is supposed to pay it. For the most part, it is not "private" citizens of the USA.

>> Buckaroo63 Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:27 AM Report Comment

Nothing you "say" will matter. Our Government no longer has the ears to hear the people. Mark these words, nothing less than full scale revolution will stop this tyrany. Why? Because it's NOTHING NEW in history and our founding father's wrote the Constitution to protect the people from these very policies of the current and former POTUS and other Government bodies.

>> David Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:33 AM Report Comment

Oh and I forgot to add: The job losses are in one location only--there are four other locations that will be doing the same thing. In addition, I forgot to mention that we will be filing bankruptcy, seeking welfare, using food stamps, living on the taxpayer (who we once were but due to this healthcare thing--we will be on the deficit side of America), using the city transportation... All that hard work--26 years of 13-14 hour days, 6 days a week, to get to the top to be able to buy a nice home in a safe neighborhood down the tubes all because a bunch of people, who don't even care about politics, were able to vote.

>> Don\\\'t know what to say Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:34 AM Report Comment

Lee Kent: My brother is disabled and he gets $600/month, as well as a blind uncle who gets the same so I don't know where you are coming up with $93/mon. Besides, is it all of America who has to pay for everyone else until those who are paying can't even live to where someone has to take care of them as well? When does it stop? Until we are all in the bread line?

>> Don't know what to say Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:40 AM Report Comment

The Mandate. I receive 100% medical care from the VA as a (partially) disabled (retired) Veteran. Am I required to purchase Obamacare? Hmmmmmm????

>> Your Neighbor Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:40 AM Report Comment

If I have to pay for everyones medical, then we need to criminalize sugar, booze, fat, smokiing, sex without a permanent partner, and sloth. Hey, that would mean more government jobs for enforcement. Or, how about just do a certified height / weight test, to be attached to the annual tax forms, and have a "fat tax" to pay for medical cost increases.

>> John Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:40 AM Report Comment

Those rejoicing that this is a good bill for covering the uninsured and those with pre existing conditions, should also rejoice if it is declared that auto ins companies must insure folk with multiple accidents and DUI's. Why, because they are currently uninsured. But, guess what Eienstein, your auto insurance is going up. Who do you think is going to pay for all those newly insured? Genius.

>> Jim Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:52 AM Report Comment

John: Let's just make everyone take a physical every year, drug tests, BMI, and I agree--no pop, candy, junk food, fatty meat, laziness, etc... I wonder how doctors are going to like having a cap on their pay? I used to work in medical billing and I know medicaid won't pay for a lot of things. Hello death panels--Plus they are slow to pay. I would bet banning junk from people's diet, as well as cigarettes and booze, would not apply to those in the whitehouse. Just google search Obama family eating junk food--tons of photos of hamburgers, ice cream and other junk foods being shoved into their mouths while they lecture everyone about eating salads.

>> Don't know what to say Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:52 AM Report Comment

Ali-that is crap! rich in 15% tax bracket? Oh no, my husband is in a 45% tax bracket genius. Almost HALF of my husband's paycheck is taken by the government to fund people who can't/won't take care of their own self. AND, they want MORE of our money? No fricken way. That 45% isn't even including personal property and other taxes we have to pay.

>> Don't know what to say Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:02 AM Report Comment

How could anyone with a conscience vote for this bill. It is insane. Not just to individuals, but to corporations to. Look at all the exemptions that the whitehouse has issued already. That itself is just pure vote buying. That is why the biggest portions of this don't take effect until 2014. Obama is hoping to get reelected before people figure out how screwed they are.

>> Paul Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:18 AM Report Comment

For the people who want free care on this "medicaidobamacare." Know someone who smoked cigarettes 30 years, kept telling to quit, he wouldn't-ended up with cancer/emphysema. The government (even under Obama's rein for the last two years) won't pay for him to have the least of treatment....oxygen. He gasps trying to breath. If Obama is in charge of this now, why do you think it will be ANY different when they force Obamacare on everyone. It won't.

>> Here it is again Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:20 AM Report Comment

GREAT NEWS!! I will NO LONGER have to pay for others who don't feel like buying health insurance ! Cant be refused health insurance !! If only those Rethug-licans would have let us buy drugs from other countries we could have saved a lot more! If only those Rethugs would have permitted anyone to go on Medicare health insurance companies would have had real competition! Why do the Rethug-licans hate us for our freedoms????

>> D W Washburn Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:23 AM Report Comment

I guess if the dems steal my money to pay for illeagals to have health insurance, my only relief will be to rob anyone with an Obama sticker on their car to get my money back. Sounds fair and reasonable to me.

>> Glenn Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:24 AM Report Comment

You voted for this traitor. Shut up and bend over!!!

>> Sick And Tired One Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:41 AM Report Comment

Ya know, I registered dem, but thank God I stopped before I voted for him. I finally came to my senses or today I wouldn't be able to live with myself.

>> I didn't vote for him Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:43 AM Report Comment

Obama and his minions are, collectively, the biggest turd to ever float in the American punchbowl. Take our country back from these socialists.

>> Dallasdan Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:44 AM Report Comment

I am amazed at how many clueless people there are in this country. It's no wonder this country is going to hell. Wake up an smell the coffee America!! Things are only going to get worse. If you want to know the real truth about what is happening in this country and all over the world, check out this website... http://www.hallindsey.com/ God Bless America!!!

>> Patricia Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:45 AM Report Comment

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" - John F. Kennedy The whole lot of them are corrupt except maybe the teaparty candidates, but we will see if they can be corrupted too.

>> NHPatriot1776 Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:49 AM Report Comment

Capping physicians' incomes? They should also cap actors/actresses & athletes incomes, they often make more than a physician. State funded health plans have the lowest reimbursement & there no 'contract guidelines' that would have to be followed. They will authorize & pay for what they want, when they want. 7 kids? Please tell me you have a working man in your life paying your (and your kids) way?! When I am ready for children, I may have one or two, depending on what I can provide for them. As it stands now, I can barely afford myself let alone a child.

>> Barbara Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:51 AM Report Comment

Again... the Mandate: I'm a healthy retired Military w/27 years service receives 100% medical care from the VA free of charge. I refused Medicare. Am I mandated to purchase health insurance through Obamacare ? Who knows? NOBODY, I'll bet. How could I endorse a program without knowing ?

>> Your Neighbor Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:00 AM Report Comment

Actually I will support Obamacare if it covers gene therapy - the eradication of the DRD4 gene (liberal gene). That would solve most all of the problem America is facing and will face.

>> Dr. Gene Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:03 AM Report Comment

Maybe if we could stop being taxed on our money when we make it, and taxed when we spend it.. these 'small' tax hikes wouldn't be so uneasy. We are being nickle and dimed, being forced to pay the way for others. Being a good fellow American should come from the 'want' of being a good person.. not being forced to do it. When people need help, I want to decide when I have helped enough. Just because people can spell integrity, doesn't mean they have it.

>> Barbara Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:03 AM Report Comment

Notice the taxes based on income ($200k/individual, $250k/family) are not indexed to inflation. This will be just like the Alternative Minimum Tax passed because 6 "millionaires" did not owe any taxes one year due to their deductions and which now snares millions of taxpayers because it was not indexed to inflation. Of course the government's defintion of millionaire - an income around $50k per year was used. A lot of money when the tax was passed but not now.

>> RDH Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:04 AM Report Comment


>> jje Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:05 AM Report Comment

And lets not forget that muslims are covered, but exempt from paying for it. We are being subjugated to the muslims, as islam demands. Ron Reale realetybytes.com

>> Ron Reale Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:10 AM Report Comment

When plan is fully implemented be ready for BAD healthcare. Informed professional sources say physician fees will be reduced by 85%. When that happens smart young people will become refrigerator repairmen. Why would they go to school fo 12 extra years and accumulate a debt exceeding 200K. You thought the person who fixed your car messed things up, imagine them becoming physicians. No need for death consultations, people will be dropping like flies........ ask a local bureaucrat to resuscitate you. GOOD LUCK

>> Jokull Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:16 AM Report Comment

Ok, does anyone here remember the former Soviet Union. The government had control of everything, I mean everything. Look what happened to that country. It collapsed and now they are in some dire straights. Is that really how you want America to end up?

>> Fay Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:17 AM Report Comment

I thought they were going to apply the medicare tax to capital gains too. That's huge.

>> JimmyNashville Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:17 AM Report Comment

Forgot, repairmen make $100 to walk in the door to tell you what is wrong....not fixing anything. Medicare reimburses much less for any physician service. OUCH

>> jokull Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:20 AM Report Comment

It's here. The Repubs can't get rid of it as it's only a house vote. I think Switzerland will be my home.

>> Exhaused Small Biz Owner Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:24 AM Report Comment

Joel and Grau are the reasons this country is going to hell! Liberal socialist like these 2 need to find another country to live in!

>> vietvet68 Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:31 AM Report Comment

PATRICA. 1. AGREE, 2. HE'S BEEN A BOOKMARK of mine for sometime. Inner peace is the only peace that will ever exist regardless of what line of bull. this world is divying up

>> cmc Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:35 AM Report Comment

"undocumented immigrants", they don't have to pay this tax or register for the draft? I think I want to be an "undocumented immigrant" instead of a American tax payer, seems like a far better deal. Now how about being an undocumented immigrant who belongs to a Obama contributing union who is also a Muslim who is a religious objector. Does this person have to pay the Obama tax? Now a white guy who uses a tanning bed and is a middle class stiff, gets the shaft. You have got to be kidding me, what did I do to deserve this punishment. I quit and I am going on welfare too. (Except I probably don't qualify for some reason).

>> Alan Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:37 AM Report Comment

This socialized healthcare is going world wide. The lunatics are running the asylum. The arsonists are running the fire department. The thieves are running the banks. AND the fox is guarding the hen house.

>> Got news for you small biz owner... Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:39 AM Report Comment

We adopted a special needs little girl two years ago. We spend quite a bit in her schooling. We did not dream when we budgeted for this that Obama would create a Flexible Spending Account Cap. We will not be able to afford her school now. We don't know what to do. Why do people think democrats care about anyone? The evil that democrats do to America is truly breathtaking.

>> brian schneider Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:42 AM Report Comment

President Obama has a wonderful plan! It worked in my country and everyone knows the Soviet Union had the greatest health care plan that ever existed. Just ask my old friend Joe Stalin. One has to break a few eggs to make an omelet so quit whining about your money and embrace the collective.

>> Karl Marx Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:44 AM Report Comment

Contact congress this coming week. It is VITAL !! They have not reason to change direction by a single degree because of the AZ shootings. There has been a loss of energy as a result of the tragic event in AZ. The Dems orchestrated the response perfectly. They sacrificed their pawns first to plant the seed that conservative rhetoric was to blame, and set up the straw man of "take politics out of the response" which they then marched in with at the end of the week with Obama's “neutral†speech. Either we fight now in Washington with reps we elect, or our children fight in the streets when this all goes very sour. The latter is a prospect I do not relish, but truly fear and pray about every day.

>> Steve Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:47 AM Report Comment

Screw you Joel. Sounds you are on the Government roles anyway.

>> David Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:47 AM Report Comment

Dr. Richard Esther, MD: What happens when the chronically and seriously ill patient never gets to you? You're individual compassion which compells you to provide care at your or someone elses expense is removed from the equation. That is how the bureaucrats will attempt to control costs. The chronically ill patient who needs care will be deemed a burden on the system by Washington bureaucracy and provided hospice care and a complimentary death certificate. Before you comment, think about ALL the possible outcomes. Is the outcome I described acceptable to you? IS IT!?!

>> Logical Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:50 AM Report Comment

--continued--Government control IS NOT THE ANSWER to whatever problem may exist in the healthcare system today when situations such as I described are an obvious possibility. But I guess in your world you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.

>> Logical Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:54 AM Report Comment

If it had even one little clause about tort reform... (loser pay the cost of lawsuits comes to mind which would save enough to insure about 30 million ) or if it took only 500 pages instead of 2700, or if experienced senior lawyers could read a page and agree on what it says and 111 companies (so far) were not exempt by HHS ( remember they are the decider in chief) then I would not be so skeptical. We have to repeal this one and come up with a solution that will allow people to get care they need . That is going to require some sort of insurance ( at least basic coverage) mandate for everyone, assigned risk pools, and purchase across state lines. We are just trying to help people who need it not take over 1/6 of the american ecconomy.

>> Ed from Justice Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:54 AM Report Comment

Excellent point Dr. Esther. Thank you.

>> David Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:55 AM Report Comment

A follow on to my previous post of a moment ago. I am very sincere about my request to PLEASE contact congress by letter, email AND phone. I personally find it very stressfull and difficult to do, but it is so important. I have been stunned this past year to discover how many of my friends who share my political views and share them on-line admitted they have never contacted congress.

>> Steve Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:58 AM Report Comment

I ask you, how would you deny care to those un-insured? Everyone that goes without insurance is a strain on the system because they will need to go to a hospital eventually. What is a hospital to do when they show up with a broken arm? Throw them on the street? Better hope you don't lose your health insurance card in the car accident or you will be left bleeding at the scene. The tax on people without insurance is not really a tax, it is them paying into the system that they will eventually abuse at the expense of the forward thinking people who buy insurance.

>> TeaPartyAmerican1776 Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:59 AM Report Comment

Wow...Not a single one of these affects me.

>> Stanley Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:00 AM Report Comment

Ignoramuses support this crap and people wonder how Obama got elected. Ignorance is rampant in America - and it falls predominately on the liberal regressive Democrat left. These people have no CLUE what the Dems have done to this nation. They think that 16% of the US population getting health care at the expense of the other 84%'s freedom is a good thing. And this is exclusive of the fact that NOBODY in America has EVER been denied "health care." Obamacare and out of control taxation is what you get when you let Pelosicrats run unchallenged and allowed to ram midnight legislation through Congress while America sleeps. November 2010 was a good start. Now lets finish the job in 2012 and get the RATs out of the White House.

>> Jason Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:00 AM Report Comment

Continued.... I am always ready to help the helpless, but I really don't care about the clueless. If 1600 new IRS agents, and thousands of new comitties and government workers are required for anything and you actually make a living by working, aren't you at least a little bit afraid? What will they be enforcing next, what kind of car you drive? Soon it will be like here in Illinis. At least 1/2 of the people will work for the government and let's guess how they will vote.

>> Ed from Justice Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:00 AM Report Comment

We do need regulation on insurance companies being able to pick and choose who they accept. We need regulation on how much prem/deduct(s) cost. We need to make sure when a kid turns 23 off parents plan, they can get the plan rolled into their name and not dropped because child needed it in the past with preexisting condition. We don't need government run healthcare. Medicaid is bankrupt, Medicare is bankrupt, and they don't pay for everything needed to be done.

>> Worried Mother Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:02 AM Report Comment

"It's here. The Repubs can't get rid of it as it's only a house vote. I think Switzerland will be my home.>> Exhaused Small Biz Owner Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:24 AM" They don't have to get rid of it. All they have to do is not fund it. Kill it off at the root. Republicans control the House, where as spending originates. Period end of story. Don't worry - we're just beginning to fight the liberal socialist Neo-Marxist regressive Democrat left.

>> Jason Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:03 AM Report Comment

So everyone seems to care about how much the bill costs, when in reality is reduces the deficit over the years. But sure, lets just ignore the non-partisan CBO and what they have to say about it since they are lying. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts, repealing obamacare raises the deficit...so much for fiscal conservatives I guess.

>> Matt Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:04 AM Report Comment

You have made excellent points as well Ed. Just because a person is conservative (i.e. believes the Government has far over extended control) doesn't mean we are not compassionate. If fact, statistics show we provide much more assistance than the liberals. It's embarrassing that a country as prosperous as the US has school kids that have little to eat from lunch on Friday until Monday. No one in this country, especially children, should go hungry, have no decent shelter, or basic medical care, unless they choose to have none. But there are ways to accomplish this without an incompetent Government interfering. It starts at the community level.

>> David Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:06 AM Report Comment

@Jason please sir, learn how the government works, and the meanings of Marxism and socialism before using them. I am all for the states having their rights to get rid of the healthcare bill on their own. If the southern states don't want affordable and more efficient healthcare and would rather be at the whim of corporations as to when they can see a doctor, can't see a doctor, or when a corporation decides they should die because they cost too much that is their right. What states get more federal money than they put in? Thats right, the red states

>> Matt Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:08 AM Report Comment

Jason---you've given me hope! Ok--I'll stay here in the US. It's the only country in the world I know of where I can make 40% on my money just by understanding the tax code.

>> Exhausted Small Biz Owner Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:08 AM Report Comment

I cannot wait until the healthcare corporations are bankrupted by republicans striking down the individual mandate, like in Florida, and the country will be forced into single payer. Then we can finally have healthcare for all citizens like any other civilized country. The bill is progressing exactly as intended, and will go even further when the republicans now in power fail to create jobs and get whalloped next election.

>> Steve Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:12 AM Report Comment

Name ONE major US Government entitlement program that has reduced the deficit. Just one. That makes zero sense.

>> David Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:13 AM Report Comment

I know how to reduce the spending the government is doing!!! Tell the Obamas to STOP taking weekly vacations, tell them to stop Michelle's outrageous spending sprees ($250,000 hotel stay, $80,000 in India in two hours on gifts, etc...), parties in the whitehouse every night, big bonus bailouts to bankers, their friends and their friend's friends...etc. STOP ALL THAT and we don't get taxed! Stop the quantitative easing!

>> Boy oh boy Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:13 AM Report Comment

Has anyone taken any notice that the less someone pays for things the more of these goods mand services they demand? Of course people who are used to scamming the system and being "Drones" want more, it cost them nothing

>> Gene Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:14 AM Report Comment

I generally do not engage in these sort of commentaries but one thing I have learned this morning; It’s fairly clear who pays taxes of any substance and who does not.

>> David Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:19 AM Report Comment

PLEASE -- Kill the Bill

>> Rick Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:22 AM Report Comment

I enjoy fire protection, police protection, roadways, but...SOCIALISM!!!!

>> James Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:26 AM Report Comment

I work in an Emergency Room. Had a mom of patient yesterday that asked for the doctor to write prescriptions for her baby's tylenol and ibuprofen (both over-the counter) because "then her insurance covers it." Her insurance being state paid-for and free to her. I can't buy tylenol or ibuprofen with my money from my HSA because it no longer covers OTC meds without a prescription. FYI, the mother I am speaking of took a "free" ambulance ride to the hospital, took a "free" cab ride home, had 5 kids all with "free" health care, yet had beautiful acrylic nails and a brand new I-Phone, but didn't bother to call her primary doctor for an appointment.

>> Karen Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:32 AM Report Comment

CGP - you state "it brings down costs because there are more people in the insurance pool." More people having the funds to buy the same thing does not lower teh price of the product. It raises it. How in your belief does more for demand for something cause it to cost less? The reality of economics is the more demand for something the greater the cost. This can easily be seen. Prior to the creation of medicare and medicaid inflation in healthcare services was no more than any other part of the economy. Once medicare and medicaid were passed healthcarte immediately began it's inflationarty upward sprial. To say that more people in the insurance pool lowers costs is patently false.

>> Aaron Armijo Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:48 AM Report Comment

I read many entries but not all so if I'm double posting please accept my apology. If the socialized health care system in Canada is the great way our nation needs to go then why did the high ranking Canadian elected official (don't recall position but maybe PM) come to America for his surgical needs?

>> Brien Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:49 AM Report Comment

Please send this page to everyone you know, plaster it on face book, Then send it to your congress man and senator THAT VOTED FOR IT!

>> Tim Hoo Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:54 AM Report Comment

Continued - Like in every nation in which nationalized insurance has tekan effect - lower the quality of care for all people. Very egalitarian indeed - everyone will get lower quality care. In most of socialized europe, you get prostate cancer? It is not covered. In the UK, until just recently Alzheimers patients have been denied new treatments that halt or slow the progression of the disease because some govt wonk said it cost too much money. The belief that somehow adding 10 to 20 percent more demand for a product will somehow lower its cost is simply wrong. Basic math - more demand - higher cost

>> aaron armijo Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:54 AM Report Comment

I read about no more caps. False, please read the caps on special needs kids. To use a familiar phrase of the Liberals, they apparently HATE Special Needs Kids. The attack on small business--More HATE for small Business The HATE of flexible spending accounts The HATE of HSA The list goes on

>> Stuart Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:55 AM Report Comment

Brien: I am sure your question was rhetorical, but for those that want to know it's because socialized healthcare is medicaid. Medicaid picks and chooses what they will or won't cover. They will refuse even a patients need for oxygen at $400/mon. It's welfare at its worst. No one in their right mind will have this type of care if they can afford it. Officials plan to have all the money and premium care, and the peasants get what's left. We will be peasants if we allow this to continue. People have come to america for treatment because they can get the treatment they want and get it now--they don't have to wait six months to get in to see a doc.

>> I can tell you that Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:57 AM Report Comment

Karen, No prizes for guessing but it sounds like that mom who went to the emergency room for meds for one of her 5 kids is a member of the great unwashed entitled class.Wonder how many of her kids were fathered by one man?

>> john Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:02 PM Report Comment

this health plan will lower the quality of care, dumb down the entire industry as to innovation, research and technology and substantially raise taxes on every single American. Without a doubt we will see a 60% federal income tax rate and a 10 to 15 % state income tax rate. This administration wants an European style dependence on the government for all services.....and the peasants will be happy with the crumbs left over. It will destroy our economy and unfortunately move us to the end of the ladder as a world power. Without a robust economy driven by the private sector we will be just another socialist nation draining the former private sector into oblivion. SO much for America.

>> allen smith Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:07 PM Report Comment

There is not one person in this country that can be called "Less Fortunate". Anyone can get anywhere in this country, and be or do whatever they want when ever they want. The vast majority of the "Less Fortunate" are there because they choose not to go to school and/or do drugs. And the more "Less Fortunate" they are, the more we throw at them to help. This is the most over used nonsensical term in the English Language.

>> Norm Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:13 PM Report Comment

Can anyone who has referred to this as socialized medicine please tell me how it fits that definition? Our government will NOT be the one providing healthcare, ala Canada, France, etc. And those who are furious about having to pay for other peoples' healthcare, guess what? You're already doing it, and you're paying premium rates for it. People who have no insurance go straight to the emergency room, where they can't legally be refused. Who pays? We do, and we pay the highest cost possible for it...(continued)

>> Doug Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:14 PM Report Comment

The new taxes on businesses means they'll be able to hire fewer people and that they may have to let more people go. We're already the number 2 taxer of businesses in the world and since Japan has decided they want to lower taxes on businesses to make themselves more attractive to international businesses, we're going to be the number one taxer by the end of 2011 unless changes are made. This bill will be a kick in the stomach to an already weak job market.

>> ActualThinkingPerson Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:18 PM Report Comment

This bill will first of all force the currently uninsured to pay in and take some of the burden off our backs, and second it will dramatically reduce the bill for the care that is provided. Compare the cost of an ER visit with that of a trip to your family doctor. Multiply the difference by millions of instances every year. And by the way, if you don't like mandated insurance then don't bother buying a car or a home.

>> Doug Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:18 PM Report Comment

Government healthcare is desperately needed. Working a job that only pays $18 per hour, paying rent and electric bills and water and gas bills and having to hire somebody to drive me to the emergency room when I get a headache only leaves me about $350 per week for lottery tickets. It just isn't fair that rich people can go in and sit down and carefully select their lottery numbers while I have to listen to my herd of hungry kids and can't concentrate on my numbers. Be reasonable. Support government health care.

>> Wagon Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:18 PM Report Comment

This a very dangerous out of control government that will stop at nothing to tighten its grip. Speak anything but the party line and you're on a list for future use no doubt. A few more staged terrorism events and we'll be under undeclared martial law. I'm seriously researching moving far overseas and waiting things out. At the very least a small condo in South America to bug out to. I have zero interest in Obama's Deathcare - it's already too expensive and complicated for this healthy family of tax payers. I called my reps in opposition back when, and they literally laughed at me and hung up. The whole country is about to be turned upside down. The squeeze is just beginning - one can feel it.

>> latitude zero Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:20 PM Report Comment

Oppressive government at it's best. It's all about wealth redistribution: Tax structure = wealth redistribution Social Security = wealth redistribution Medicare/Medicaid = wealth redistribution Cap and trade = wealth redistribution Healthcare = wealth redistribution federal taxes = 28-33% of income state taxes 3-9% of income Property taxes = 1-2% sales taxes = 6-9% Working January - June for the government is not fair and not right.

>> P Crawford Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:30 PM Report Comment

I have worked in pharmaceuticals for 13 years. if this is not repealed, good luck getting new life saving medicine! Currently, a drug patent is 17 years, it takes 10 years and 1 billion $'s to bring to market, due to FDA REGULATION! We only have 7 years to make our $ back before a generic company, who cares nothing about health or does NO research on cures can make the drug. In 2010, the FDA received the least amount of drug patents in the history of the USA. Also, the gov't will force you onto their plan by "taxing" your current plan. Finally, those 30 million "un-insured"....85% are ILLEGAL ALIENS! BRING BACK CAPITOLISM, we have become weak!

>> Dookey Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:32 PM Report Comment

Don't look to Obama - he's a mere puppet. His day consists of 2 work outs, napping, shooting hoops with black NBA players, golf practice, planning the next lavish vacation and generally hanging out with Hollyweird types. Once, sometimes twice a day, they trot him out to read the teleprompter for 8 minutes of propaganda. He's a distraction. It's funny how they roll out 2,000 page bills written by legal experts and nobody reads them. Well somebody in charge designed and wrote them over years of development. Try reading the Cap and Tax bill section on electrical fixtures. I'm an intelligent guy, but I'd rather do differential calculus problems than decipher that mess. Smacks of corporate conspiracy.

>> pissant citizen Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:37 PM Report Comment

Remember.... "Washington DC--Taxation WITHOUT Representation"

>> Pastor Revere Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:52 PM Report Comment

Yes, we conservatives are heartless, uncaring scum. Liberals, on the other hand give, give and keep on giving. Joe Biden, for example has contributed a whopping average of $369 a year to charitable enities over the last 10 years (yet he and his ilk are in favor of ripping many times that from the pockets of hard working Americans regardless of political affiliation, but specifically in relation to how much they have been compensated for their efforts). Socialism works!(for those who don't)

>> verygary Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:53 PM Report Comment

Both main political parties are beyond salvaging. Recently I joined the America First Party, as it's the only one I can agree with on much it's platform, and felt I needed to try to make a difference. It's an uphill struggle for small third parties, but worth the effort in trying to increase the membership numbers and hopefully oneday becoming a major party getting candidates elected to high office. Right now they are focusing on state and local offices while trying to grow membership. Some who have posted here might like the party's stance on taxes. AmericaFirstParty.org is the party's website for anyone interested in checking it out.

>> Jeff Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:54 PM Report Comment

Barack Obama gave all Americans the finger last year with the passage of this legislation. It punishes all Americans but hurts those who can least afford it the most. Raising taxes on the wealthy and middle-class increases economic pressure on the less fortunate. Very stupid man.

>> matinva Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:55 PM Report Comment

U.S. Army Officer, Keep your comments to yourself. Your supposed to be a "professional soldier" and as such, your political views are mute. We as soldier's NEVER talk about a CIC (Commander In Chief)while in the service of our country. You sir, are a disgrace to the Officer/NCO Corps that trained you. Now that I am a "private citizen" I have earned my right to say what I want. Until such time that you are once again a "private citizen", your comments/views and ideals are best kept to yourself.

>> U.S. Army Senior Staff NCO (ret) Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:58 PM Report Comment

Need we repeat "the power to tax is the power to destroy?" I repeat myself: Obamacare is not about health care, it is about control. That is why Obamacare should be repealed, or defunded, or that lacking, stock up on lead and brass as well as tar and feathers. However, the easiest way to repeal Obamacare is to properly vet Obama.

>> Erik Osbun Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:59 PM Report Comment

Ali - It's interesting that you incorrectly assume I'm uneducated because I am against the direction our country is going toward socialism. I'd be happy to compare the initials behind my name up against yours. Based on your attitude, I'd guess you to be from a high-middle income family whose parents paid for your uppity college education, and that you have yet to earned any substantial livlihood on your own. But I will rest by just recommending you do some active research.

>> John Q. Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:02 PM Report Comment

Maybe Mitch McConnell should have read the Obamacare bill before negotiating with Obama over the Bush Tax Cuts! WE broke even on the Bush tax cuts, for 2 years, then are having to swallow another half a trillion dollars in tax increases with Obamacare. Way to go Republicans!

>> RD Pierini Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:16 PM Report Comment

I wonder what religion you would have to be to be exempt from this? Somebody needs to start an appropriate religion just for this purpose. Thinking about it, as much as the liberals are opposed to religion, I can't believe they wouldn't allow "atheist objectors" to be exempt as well. Of course, you could just call them "conscientious objectors" like they do with the draft. I think quite a few of us would fit that description!

>> John Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:19 PM Report Comment

@US Army Senior Staff NCO I will say whatever I want when I want; I like the President so there I said it, and again I like the president..... A disgrace is you buddy - Trying to stop the 1st amendment rights of an Army Officer shame shame mister. Again I will say what I want when I want, my Soldiers deserve my opinion and the fact that I am outspoken means I take care of them too regardless of the ramifications to myself - You were obviously too afraid to stand up for what you believe in and that means to me that you left your Soldiers out there flapping too. Way to go Man way to go! Oh by the way I like the president: )! HA.....

>> US Army Officer Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:20 PM Report Comment

To me, the most un-America and anti-Democracy comments are those like 'Hang em High' and 'By Any Means Necessary'. The concept that when you disgree with someone, you are to kill them is not what the founding fathers inked into the Constitution. We've seen endless numbers of those kinds of societies throughout history on nearly every contitnent in the world. They have never worked and never sustained themselves. Our democracy is based on the ability to debate issues and make improvements and/or address needs - to evolve. There are so many thoughtful comments on here from both sides, it's a shame to see the others.

>> Kevin H Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:22 PM Report Comment

That this bill was passed with virtually nobody having completely read and thoroughly understood its full impact is the real threat. Please, Republicans in the House, don't give up - stay the course to repeal this bill. Then if the full Congress wants to study it, and pass it on its own merit, so be it. But to subject the American people to this unknown entity of a law is absolutely unacceptable. And Erik Osbun is probably right that the easiest way to rid ourselves of obamacare is to vet Obama. Read again the meaning of the term natural-born citizen according to U.S. Code. He is not a natural-born citizen (both parents must be citizens, regardless of where the child is born).

>> SarahP Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:25 PM Report Comment

@US Army Senior Staff NCO: First of all, thanks to you and US Army Officer for your service, but secondly, where is it written that a soldier cannot express support for his Commander in Chief, especially in an anonymous forum like this? When both Bush and Obama have made visits to the troops overseas, were they expected to sit quietly, not applaud, and generally behave with indifference? Because if so, there is plenty of visual evidence that will keep the JAGs busy with courts martial for years to come.

>> Doug Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:28 PM Report Comment

I'm not convinced there's 30 million people without coverage. If I've learned anything in two years, it's that our info from politicians, including Obama, is a bunch of propaganda. This bill was supposed to decrease costs. It does not, it increases costs. It is close to a reproduction of Romneycare, which has turned into a huge disaster. High cost, decreasing quality of care, etc. While a have no objection to tightening up the need for all to be covered if they choose, I definitely think this 2,000 page monstosity could have been condensed to 10 pages. The amount of control over the public in this bill is outrageous and unacceptable. It needs to be repealed. Start over, Congress!

>> SueDinNY Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:33 PM Report Comment

This alone is reason to get all liberals out of office (PERIOD) they are a cancer to the taxpayer. Pelosi herself demonstrated just how corrupt they are with her statement that they had to pas the bill so they could see what it said. Their adgenda is solely power over the populace, so much that they would even foist a bill on us that they had no idea what it said. This is either the height of stupidity, audaciousity or sheer ignorance. I go along with the audaciousity because they excused themselves from the very same standards and coverage.

>> John Detwiler Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:35 PM Report Comment

@Doug. Thank you for the comment about our service, that was very nice of you. I think the problem is that US Army Senior NCO does not agree with me and wants me to stop talking but that is not going to happen. I will say what I want when I want, always have always will and always do. Thank you again!

>> US Army Officer Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:39 PM Report Comment

@SarahP: Title 8 Section 1401of the U.S. Code defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:" -Anyone born inside the United States*--The asterisk refers to children of diplomats who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. -Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

>> Doug Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:41 PM Report Comment

I don't see one single Democrat in New York. The Democrats have ruined this state all we have is High Taxes, All kinds of Fees. This state is going down the drain and fast, but these Democrats just refuse to see the writing on the wall. Can they be that stupid? HELL YES

>> Ruth Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:49 PM Report Comment

@Doug - U.S. Code: Title 8, 1401. Natural-born citizens of the United States are those who are citizens of the United States from birth without having to perform any act to acquire or perfect their American citizenship. These are those whose parents are citizens of the United States at the time of their birth. Natural-born American citizens are those born of American citizen parents, Their American citizenship is natural, the result of parentage, and not artificial or acquired by compliance with legislative provisions....... (to be continued)

>> SarahP Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:52 PM Report Comment

3.8% to the govt for the sale of my house????? what the hell does this have to do with health issues. all it is , is govt expansion . to much pork in obummercare we need to send all the illegals home , paying for their services is not sustainable

>> Loren Iversen Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:52 PM Report Comment

@Doug continued..... A natural-born citizen is defined as one whose citizenship is established by the jurisdiction which the United States already has over the parents of the child, not what is thereafter acquired by choice of residence in this country. Natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens and naturalized citizens, are those born in the United States of parents who are citizens. Natural-born citizens are also those born outside the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States.

>> SarahP Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:56 PM Report Comment

@US Army Officer: I suspected as much. Seems a little absurd to tell someone who put his butt on the line for our Constitutional freedoms that he can't exercise them.

>> Doug Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:57 PM Report Comment

This simply is not gonna happen. As one of many Democrats that can't stand the way this bill came about not to mention the careening and sloppy language of HR 3950 Obama will be dispatched to the private sector in 2012. Raise a billion? Well, we bundled $220,000 through our precinct in 2008 but out of 180 members only five or so are left and I do mean LEFT. Bank it folks. 2 years of gridlock and now on to the General in 2012. I hate to say it but the Pugs taking over the House I think may have saved this country.

>> Tina Ferrer Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:58 PM Report Comment

@SarahP: I cut and pasted my information directly from the US Code, which is the source you cited. Here is a link, please read section G and tell me how Obama's mother does not meet those criteria. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html. Of course this is on the website of a liberal elite East Coast University so I'm sure they've altered it to suit your needs. If you find a listing of the Code somewhere that doesn't include such a provision I would appreciate a link. Thanks

>> Doug Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:08 PM Report Comment

Wake up America! There are a dozen ways to attempt to repair or improve our healthcare crisis. This bill is NOT one of them. This bill is not about healthcare at all. This bill is about control, government control....if you disagree, then read it! We are in serious trouble people!!!

>> WeAreDoomed Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:12 PM Report Comment

First off passing bills by Executive order as Osama did while congress was convened should be banned, that just spread more horse**** around. Secondly I here everyone saying get rid of him in 2012, do you people realize 2012 will be way too late. If POTUS doesn't do away with voting for President every four years and become the dictator he wants to be. As of right now there are more than enough things to try him for treason in a military court and remove him from office immediately, don't try and impeach him, try him for treason. Or is there no one in the military that still believes in the oath they took, to protect the Constitution of the United States from enemies foreign and domestic????

>> Monte Williams Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:23 PM Report Comment

@Doug. agreed! Oh I am a female by the way: )!! I respect everyone's right to an opinion. That is what makes the US the great country that it is! We may not always agree but we will have debate, civilized debate. It is an amazing thing when you can hash out difference and do it in a peaceful, respectful way. Although not everyone on this post is mature about their arguments, they still have the right to say them, as an Army Officer I fill that I have earned this right many many times over especially after 19 years of service!!! Thanks and I look forward to the rest of the comments; this is quite a lively post!

>> US Army Officer Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:37 PM Report Comment

Keep your government hands off of my Medicare! LOLZ

>> Fox News Viewer Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:39 PM Report Comment

@Monte: I don't have a huge problem with Executive orders, after all it is the Executive branch of the government and it does have certain powers under the Constitution. I think that signing statements however should be banned because they allow the President to alter the intent of the Legislative branch without any recourse. And can you list some specific treasonous acts that President Obama has committed?

>> Doug Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:47 PM Report Comment

Muslims are exempt. Under common interpretations of Islamic law, conventional insurance is forbidden in Islam.

>> Bett Boopadoop Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:47 PM Report Comment

Obamacare is titled "Patient Protection And Affordable Care Act" or PPACA. I was happy with pre-existing condition riders excluding coverage because I also did not pay premiums for those. Now my pre-existing conditions will be covered at far greater expense to me, which I cannot aford. There is a reason I buy High deductible (over $10,000) health insurance. It is because I can't afford "Cadillac" coverage. A 30% rate hike for my coverage 6 month after buying my policy - what's affordable about that??

>> Cschu Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:51 PM Report Comment

@US Army Officer: My apologies for the gender assumption:)

>> Doug Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:52 PM Report Comment

@Doug continued..... My info was also a cut-&-paste and came from the same university source as yours, and I agree we can't be certain it wasn't dummied up. But it seems your info refers to citizenship in general, not specifically to natural-born citizenship status, which is not the same. I wonder if it is possible there is more to that section of code than either of us saw, and that both our blocks of info are there. The two are not contradictory. I've been trying to find a more conclusive source, but with no luck. But I guess if this were easily proven, Obama would not still be in office!

>> SarahP Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:56 PM Report Comment

Well the communist infiltration of the government through the democratic party and it's drug addled minions has nearly brought down the nation. Google and read the The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals and see with the repeal of DADT and the into to the military official Pink Pantie BUTTallions that they've completed all 40 of them since 1963.

>> Chicago Nick Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:04 PM Report Comment

It looks like Rush Limbaugh was correct in his assessment of this "healthcare" bill. It's not about health care. It's about control. That is all they want - control. Control equals power and I have never seen anyone who was willing to give up whatever power (real or imagined) they possessed. I once knew a local politician who got defeated in an election. That defeat was his downfall, he could not handle it. It destroyed him. Most pols are in the same boat.

>> Charlie C Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:04 PM Report Comment

Suspend all new legislation until new rules are in place. I went ahead and wrote these rules, thank you: No bills longer than 25 pages. Zero attachment of anything unrelated to the bill. All bills must have a mandatory 120 day rest period of public review. No amendments once a bill is finalized and the 120 day clock starts. For a bill to become law TWO laws must be repealed until such time we have the same number of laws on the books as we had in 1970. Corporations caught illegally lobbying lawmakers will have their officers' personal homes seized and auctioned off for charity. Anybody violating or manipulating these rules, or willfully trying to game the system, to be tried for treason and publicly hanged. Bam, problem solved.

>> Candidate X Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:05 PM Report Comment

Most of what you wrote is not even a tax increase. You are using the length of your list to "expose" nothing. The higher taxes you complain about will only cost the taxpayer more if the insurance companies refuse to lower their prices. Once again the ATR has shown that is cares not about the whole truth, just about right wing shock tactics

>> Erich Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:06 PM Report Comment

I am currently paying $1,113 per month for health insurance.When I first heard about health care reform, Obamacare is not doing anything to reduce the excessive cost of my medical insurance. I work for a small business that has just several employees. My understanding is that a business with less than 50 employees, will not be required to offer health coverage. My insurance first went up drastically, after I reached 55 years old, and then there were also a couple of unusually large annual rate increases too. My insurance is with Blue Cross Blue Shield of Arizona. Because, of a slight medical problem that came up last year, they are not willing to move me to a different plan.

>> RickH Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:09 PM Report Comment

Health care in Switzerland is a good model. Everyone is "required" to have a "basic" level of medical coverage provided by private insurance companies. Those who want more pay according to the level of coverage they want. Those who can't afford to buy the insurance are subsidized. It is a much simpler approach than is proposed for the U.S. It works for the Swiss but I guess we can't adopt something similar because it wasn't invented here and the amount of subsidy here might be too great.

>> Jug Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:09 PM Report Comment

@SarahP: I saw the ones you posted as well, but a person only needs to meet one of those criteria to meet eligibility. AS for the term 'natural born citizen', this appears in the Constitution, but not in the US Code. The Constitution is the framework for our laws, and the US Code is the actual laws themselves, which, are based on interpretations of the Constitution by our Legislators, Executives, and Justices. The US code as it existed when Obama was elected contained the clause that I posted. Therefore, that was and is the law. That would have to be changed to make him ineligible, and even then I don't believe it would be retroactive(not positive about that point).

>> Doug Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:13 PM Report Comment

who the F&ch do these disgusting Sc8mbags think they are.. I have a special needs son, who unlike obamas kids cannot walk and we will be punished for this?? Obama, YOU HAVE JUST GIVEN ME THE BEST GIFT YOU CAN GIVE... the drive to make sure you and your lowlife marxists never get elexted again. Also, what god given right do you have telling an insurance executive how much he earns?? you and your fat wife can enjoy your lobster now because you only have just a tad bit longer until you are replaced.

>> lala Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:14 PM Report Comment

The Swiss model sounds most reasonable and probably works just fine. The trouble here is the tens of millions of illegals pouring in mooching of the system with no end in sight; indeed, encouraged by the federal government traitors. Couple that with medical industry greed, even the doctors being complicit. I switched doctors and the new fool charged me $275 'patient set up fee.' W T F, $275 to add my name to an existing simple database so I can begin getting his inflated bills. Utter madness.

>> bah Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:25 PM Report Comment

Repeal Obamacare now

>> Freedom Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:29 PM Report Comment

If you support Obama and his Regime, you support a Statist authoritarian who is an empty suit who speaks in platitudes who is beholden to the oligarchical collectivists and banking cabals. You are against freedom, liberty and our constitutional republic and the notion that all of our rights are inborn and are given by our creator. Some autocrat in Washington does not grant rights - the constitution simply enumerates them for added protection. The constitution also limits the Powers of the Federal Government yet an expansionist authoritarian view is used in modern times contrary to what Madison had intended.

>> Mick Russom Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:35 PM Report Comment

Multitasking Saves Money! Replace the T.S.A. agents with nurses, while fondling breasts they can check for lumps. While fondling groins they can check for hernias (turn your head to the right and cough) and STDs (short arms inspection). Replace the scanners with X-Rays, or a conveyor that runs us through an MRI. With a DNA swab and a little blood sample they have just about everything they need for a complete check up. And if this scares the S**T out of you then they WILL have everything! They can send you a print out of results and the address of the nearest GOV. clinic if you need it. Just sayin. Check this out: www.governmentpizza.com

>> OleoStrut Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:53 PM Report Comment

Where do all these uninformed people come from? Be against this plan if you feel it is not good for the American people, but stop repeating untruths and propaganda. All this law does is to help the poor,give all of us a better break in dealing with insurance companies, and raise a few taxes to help pay for it. This law will not be repealed in this Congress, as we all know. So, propose amendments that you think will streamline it.

>> Jeff Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:53 PM Report Comment

vote for democrats and you'll pay more taxes while losing freedoms,,ALWAYS

>> mark Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:58 PM Report Comment

So, If I denounce my citizenship as an American and cross the border in Mexico or Canada, I can be exempt? Cool!!

>> Pam Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:05 PM Report Comment

"This country needs to flourish. That is what the American Dream is all about. Without we are nothing. Obamacare is bad for American and bad for tax payers. Join the only REAL repeal petition and stop Obamacare. http://bit.ly/therepealpledge"

>> Jennifer Saralidge Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:07 PM Report Comment

I am not in favor of Obamacare but think about this>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you ever seen a poor doctor? Check out their fancy offices. Why are hospitals so fancy with lots of wasted space (fountains, fancy waiting areas, etc.) Who do you think pays for this. Why should a doctor spend 3 minutes with a patient and charge $135? Don't stop there. Drug company representatives (those that visit doctor's offices, walks in the back without being introduced, carrying a box of donuts and whatever else that might be in their hand carried bag)takes home well over $100,000 per year and probably a commission on sales. Do you think that insurance companies are all to blame? Let's all get serious and look at all these probabilities.

>> Jimbo Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:16 PM Report Comment

@Jimbo: I don't know many poor doctors, but then I also don't know many who didn't put in 10+ years of costly and difficult education before they started earning this kind of money, and I don't know many whose malpractice insurance doesn't go up almost every single year. People who are dedicated enough to make that kind of a commitment to their careers deserve to be well-compensated.

>> Doug Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:30 PM Report Comment

Obamacare is all about Wall Street greed. It was designed to be to fail. Once costs increase the only next step will be "single payer". Now the expense is off the corporate balance sheets and onto the back of tax payers. Very clever plan indeed.

>> Al-Gator Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:31 PM Report Comment

I am stil waiting or the "Transparency and "No more pork on MY watch" obama promised his sheep when he wanted their vote for President

>> scot Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:34 PM Report Comment

I see that "Joel" (time index Friday, January 14, 2011 1:10 PM) doesn't hold a steady or well-paying job.

>> L. C. Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:35 PM Report Comment

Jimbo, all you have to do to get what they've got is do what they did. Why don't you give it a shot, eh?

>> L. C. Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:41 PM Report Comment

@doug. No problem. People are so nasty, why cant we just discuss health care. Why do we have to call President Obama's wife fat (@lala) and talk about DADT (@Chicago Nick)? That is not what we are here for. I guess when you don't have anything intelligent to say your resort to the disgusting comments about the shape of someone's body or equal rights. Absolutely shameful. Like women don't have enough to worry about without the negative body images in the media or gay people aren't beat up enough we have to push a group of people down further through words. If you want to discuss health care, I am all for it, if not I will go back to my post and protect your right to be a weirdo.

>> US Army Officer Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:44 PM Report Comment

Well, if US Army Officer is REALLY a US Army officer, that explains his take on it. He's been getting free health care since he signed up. Suckling from the government teat for years, I would expect.

>> L. C. Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:45 PM Report Comment

My wife and I were paying $480 a month for our "employer" health care before Obama was ever elected President. If you think "for profit" health insurance companies are ever goping to do you any favors, you are mistaken. That's $120 a week for 2 people.

>> Coop Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:46 PM Report Comment

If people would just read 'Rules for Radicals' by Alinsky, they would understand exactly what Obama is doing to our country! I can't believe that this simple request, that having people just simply read this book, would make them understand Obama and his philosophy and how everything would be so crystal clear. We've had two years of his "leadership" to reflect on. If you read Alinsky you will see exactly how these last two years compare with the guidelines of the Alinsky plan. It's not rocket science, it's more like, 'Dick and Jane', see Spot run! Very simple to see the comparison. Wake up people, before it's too late!

>> ameriapp Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:46 PM Report Comment

@LC: That is a very insightful deduction. By the same logic, all of us males who posted on here after 4:30 are obviously homosexual because we're concentrating on this website instead of devoting our undivided attention to the NFL playoffs. Flame on!

>> Doug Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:47 PM Report Comment

@ L.C you are nuts. Pick up a weapon and come on to war with me in Iraq or Afgan then you can talk about my free health care. Wow I can not believe that this is what we have come to in the USA, absolutely shameful. @Doug Flame on LOL that is funny!! I love it. Thanks for having my back!

>> US Army Officer Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:49 PM Report Comment

Repeal Nobamacare; it has death panels; gives free healthcare to 20 million illegals; no more new doctors = months to see a doctor; decreases medicare coverage; puts government into your personal healthcare decisions. In Nov 2012 vote OUT obama....worst president ever!

>> jc smith Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:50 PM Report Comment

WhatBarry and the Socialists don't realize is that the House has to vote on the budget to fund the IRS so they can hire the "Goons" to enforce Obamacare. It's as dead as a doorknob financially, and he'll be sent packing in 2012 if everyone wakes up and realize what a Commie he is with that Charletain smile and finger pointing he always does at the teleprompter. I'm personally sick of being spoken down to by this elitist thug!

>> Kevin Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:51 PM Report Comment

By the way, NO ONE, including illegal aliens, are without health care here in the USA, as evidenced buy the flood of people that go to the hospital ER's for things as minor as a cut, scratch, or headache. They're not turned away. You want health care and don't want to give up your twinkies, beer, cigarettes, cable TV, and internet to buy it? Just go to the nearest ER when you have a stomach ache. No worries.

>> L. C. Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:52 PM Report Comment

Why didn't George Bush repeal Medicare to pay for his illegal war in Iraq?

>> Coop Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:54 PM Report Comment

@ US Army Officer: Been there, done that, sometimes still have to do it, depending on who's footing the bill. Sucking the government teat is suckling, regardless of the reason. And, I don't think Doug had your back. I think he was referring to my jibe at Joel.

>> L. C. Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:56 PM Report Comment

The problem with Obamacare is that it didn't go far enough. There should be a public option. And optimally a single payer system. It will happen in time. Sooner the better.

>> Brian Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:56 PM Report Comment

@Brian, why should I be forced to pay for someone else's cut finger?

>> L. C. Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:59 PM Report Comment

@LC: Your 4:54 post makes a valid point, and Obamacare at least forces people to pay something to help out with what they've been getting absolutely free up until this point. As for the illegal exemption, well its hard to assess a fee on someone if they are undocumented. In those cases, I would propose at least a minimal fee(say $100) on each emergency room visit upon patient discharge. If you don't pay it you get arrested for theft of services. An illegal alien who can't scrape together $100 to save their life? Sorry but that's where my sympathy ends.

>> Doug Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:01 PM Report Comment

@Doug: My sympathy for them ends just right on the south side of our southern border. And, Obamacare doesn't force anyone to pay for health care except those who are legal, and working.

>> L. C. Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:07 PM Report Comment

Margi, it's normal to demonize people who advacote your imprisonment...or if you resist, death if u don't provide them healthcare. They threaten us with guns and we're supposed to worry about offending them? There's a gun in the room and it's not in my hand!

>> jason Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:21 PM Report Comment

Our healthcare system is corrupt and takes advantage of uneducated people with harmful drugs and unnecessary surgeries. It's all a big, ugly capitalist death machine. My advice? Learn holistic medicine. Educate yourself on how cancer/diabetes and heart disease develops in the first place so you can avoid them. Dont put all of your trust in a pill that is probably doing you more harm than good. Our Doctors dont know anything about how to keep you healthy. We have to be our own advocates. If you dont want to listen to me, fine, let them cut you to pieces and poison you. Hell, I'll even contribute some money with my taxes to facilitate the process

>> Independant Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:22 PM Report Comment

- - Impose limitations on 'health care benefits.' Link limits (e.g. $3m /person/ L.ife time) to merits/ demerits (less paid for substance ab - users etc).

>> time o neill Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:26 PM Report Comment

First of all, the whole mess of it is unconstitutional. And it is RACIST as heck! Using tanning beds is taxed simply because only white people use them. I wonder if hair straightening were to be equally taxed, just how that would fly?

>> DWJ Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:32 PM Report Comment

The US medical system must change: you can rot your liver with tax-deductible pharmaceuticals and have unnecessary surgeries, but not deduct homeopathic & herbal remedies, kinesiology treatments et al. I dropped COBRA to pay my own expenses. Does the medical lobby want to keep people sick to make money? Years ago we learned how to heal animals of things that had no cure for humans. Why? Animals were worth more healthy, to sell for profit, & people worth more sick. Now, pet medical treatment has also become profitable business. We must become more accountable for our own health, diet, lifestyle and habits—only then will we have the prosperity to *voluntarily* help those who, through no fault of their own, require it.

>> S. Irby Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:48 PM Report Comment

Disagree with this liberal - "Good thing the Repubs will never get the votes to repeal the bill! .. love watching the crazies get riled up. ...the cons sure do hate their fellow man, all the while collecting government welfare themselves (social security).. TeaPartyAmerican1776 This guy is right on the repeal vote/veto. However, he underestimates the riled up crazies. I would be happy to give up any right I have to Social Security benefits going forward. Give me a net present value of the money I have already put in and let me keep the social security or medicare taxes i now pay going forward. I would even continue to pay 10% of the social security/medicare taxes I have to now in order to opt out of the system.

>> DFWCurt Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:55 PM Report Comment

@LC: I understand your sentiments about the south of our border thing, it's frustrating as hell to have to subsidize people who are here illegally and who remove a lot of the money they earn from our economy by sending it back down there. I can't however make a moral judgment against them because I think you and I both would make the same decision to try to make a better life for our families if we were stuck in an impoverished, violent narco-state such as Mexico.

>> Doug Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:58 PM Report Comment

When does the Tea get tossed into the harbor? We have a tea party so lets party!! I think people are getting very angry. I'm glad to see this was published and the nasty facts have been made clearer!

>> DFM Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:59 PM Report Comment

Sarah P....obama more interested in throwing the world off trac of his hawaii birth. By casting doubt , he exempts himself from Reval. Chapter 13. Hawaii fits the location. Don't spend so much time on the deception. I truly pray the guy was born abroad for this reason alone.

>> cmc Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:10 PM Report Comment

Are you aware of the fact, senators and congressmen AND their families are exempt? What is alleged to be a 2,000 page bill (give or take), has turned into over 20,000 pages of convoluted language. This is the biggest screw job/scam ever perpetrated on the American people.

>> Rowwdy Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:13 PM Report Comment

Obama will now craft and present himself as the best US President ever in US history . . . since Obamacare has been passed and the czars along with the federal agencies can continue to implement the Obama ideology.

>> rbblum Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:15 PM Report Comment

@cmc: Can you clarify what you mean by that. I'm not sure what Reval. Chapter 13 is or what it says, and how Hawaii is specifically connected. Thanks.

>> Doug Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:16 PM Report Comment

Illegal immigrants and Muslims exempt??? First, the House needs to apologize for Joe Wilson for reprimanding his attempt to get the truth out to the American people. Next, Muslims need to create their own healthcare systems since their religious doctrine forbids them from participating in the one obama is forcing on the rest of us.

>> Cheryl Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:16 PM Report Comment

Does anybody know what tenets of Islam specifically forbid them to have health care? I don't think a religious exemption means you are exempt simply for being religious, so there must be some stipulation of whatever church you attend that health care is sinful or blasphemous.

>> Doug Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:26 PM Report Comment

Doug......a general location is given that Hawaii would and could fall within. All the world was created for this time. We as a people need to continue to have our eyes wide open for every deception . If Obama was born abroad then he would not fit into this criteria. This is my hope and prayer.

>> cmc Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:43 PM Report Comment

@ U.S. Army Officer: I am most likely considered one of those "rednecks" you want pissed off since I was born in NC and I am a true southern boy at heart. However, your smarmy remarks are anything, but officer quality. I bet you treat "rednecks" within your company with disdain. Obviously, you feel so far above the average enlisted personnel. But then, you are probably a 2nd LT with newbie syndrome. You are an embarrassment to ALL officers and a hypocrite. BTW: I am a retired officer of the U.S. Army....a redneck no less.

>> Rowwdy Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:43 PM Report Comment

Healthcare is just one issue of the many ways Obama is trying to bring down our society. When I was younger I didn't care enough about government to try and understand the ways people in government worked to change the laws that affected our lives. Back then I didn't care because I was the master of my demise or success. Now that I'm older and more responsible for my actions and especially what may affect the goodwill of my family, I tend to be more analytical of my surroundings. I tend to do more research. Especially on changes that have a direct effect on my family that I have no control over.

>> ameriapp Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:49 PM Report Comment

@ Doug: The Muslims do not have a legitimate excuse to be exempt. There are too many practicing doctors who are Muslims. Not to mention all the Muslims I've seen in the doctor's offices. Christian Scientists are the only people I know who don't believe in doctors.

>> Rowwdy Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:50 PM Report Comment

@cmc: A general location for what?

>> Doug Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:53 PM Report Comment

@Rowwdy: Good point about the docs, hadn't thought about that aspect. The Christian Scientists are who I was thinking of as well when I saw that exemption, but their rights only go so far. I've read of cases where they were either forced to submit their children to treatment or prosecuted because they let them die.

>> Doug Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:57 PM Report Comment

I have since done enough research on Obama to realize that his beliefs and mine are in total opposition and that he is trying to reshape our country into something I recognise but totally reject. I hate the fact that so many people are unaware of what is happening to our country. Obama is a student of radical change. One of his mentors is Alinsky, read his works and you will see exactly what and where Obama is trying to take our country. Not to mention, Hillary Clinton did her college thesis on Alinsky!

>> ameriapp Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:02 PM Report Comment


>> Karen Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:04 PM Report Comment

Jimbo: Why does it matter what a doctor decides for their office or the car they drive? Whether or not they have a fountain? An average cost of the education of a physician is $200,000. The length of time to get a PHD is 5 years, med school 4-5. Average 10 years begin-end with PHD. Plus you have valuable knowledge to keep the public healthy. Get over it and if you're that jealous--you should have applied yourself instead of smoking weed with the boys after school.

>> Bab Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:09 PM Report Comment

AND I thank God we have great hospitals that are new and state of the art. When I had an emergency (BCBS by the way) they knew right away what was wrong with me and were very professional. So quit knocking big hospitals and doctors who went into a profession that makes a lot of money. They earn it, believe me, whether it is in ER to put someone back together from an accident or someone having a baby. They barely have time to breathe, on call almost all the time, the only time they will have to say is their own is when they retire. Stop being jealous.

>> Bab Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:14 PM Report Comment

It will bring our Federal income taxes up to 63.5% + 8% SS = 71% federal taxes over $200,000. what a rip how about 23.4% capital gains taxes. or the extra $100,000 for employers with 50+ employees. Small and med. businesses will fold. Of course Illegal Aliens get it all for free. Prisoners free. No one will try opening a new business in the US. Large Corporations will leave the US for friendly countries. Unemployment will go thru the roof. If this is not repealed it will spell the end of America.This is worth fighting against. We must not stand for this. We must vote all democrats out and Obama must be impeached. This is communism, UnConstitutional, we must not rest until this bill is gone.

>> Angry Consumer Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:16 PM Report Comment

@Angry Consumer: Where did you get that 63.5% figure from?

>> Doug Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:25 PM Report Comment

Law will not pass constitutional scrutiny. "Who is John Galt?"

>> NMA Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:29 PM Report Comment

Something that no one has mentioned is the fact that our health care system is struggling to cope with all of the people using it right now! There is a shortage of Doctors, nurses, and other medical staff. What will happen when 30 million people suddenly have access to health care? This is not including all of the doctors and other health care workers who say they will leave the medical field! It is very obvious to me ( a health care worker) that Joel has no idea what he is talking about! I love the bumper sticker...If you think health care costs now, wait until it's "free"!!!

>> Mark Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:34 PM Report Comment

"Again I will say what I want when I want, my Soldiers deserve my opinion and the fact that I am outspoken means I take care of them too regardless of the ramifications to myself": by U S Army Officer If in fact you are doing as you say and giving your troops YOUR political opinion, then you have violated your oath and the tenets set forth for officers. You might want to revisit the UCMJ. I reiterate H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E! PS: US Army Senior Staff NCO is 100% correct. " Your supposed to be a "professional soldier", but you appear about as unprofessional as any officer I have ever seen.

>> Rowwdy Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:37 PM Report Comment

Outrage upon outrage. Who needs an army to wage war? Our nation's under attack every day, and we're paying politicians to do it! The reality of the situation is that every House member, every Senator and the President along all of their sycophant underlings should, after impeachment, if found guilty, be charged with treason, and hanged. This monstrosity is only one of dozens of derelictions of duty and outright crimes which have gone unpunished over the past 2 years. We are under siege by these monsters!

>> cowman Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:48 PM Report Comment

What all the lowly little, everyday libs don't get is, they are also effected by all the new taxes. EVERYONE, of all strips are going to be slammed with heavy tax burdens, medical denials, businesses shutting down and untold hardships over this insane bill. But it was in fact pushed by a socialist/Marxist faction and good little libs just don't grasp the fact, people like Pelsoi, Reid, ObaMao and the rest of their ilk don't give a rat's ass about them beyond their vote. This isn't about party affiliation. It is about a violation of the U.S. Constitution, unfair taxation and control. "We will take you from within"; Khrushchev, 1963 UN address.

>> Rowwdy Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:55 PM Report Comment

Dr. Donald Berwick, Obama appointed Director of Medicare and Medicaid, said: “I am romantic about the (British)National Health Service. I love it.†His favorite part seems to be its rationing arm, the National Institute for Clinical Effectiveness (NICE). NICE determines whether or not the care a patient receives is worth the cost to the gov't. Anything more than $44,000 per year of extended life, and NICE is likely to deny treatment. Drugs that prolong the life of cancer patients are not allowed. Alzheimer’s drugs are heavily restricted. Pitched as a board to promote “best practices,†NICE has become a rationing, death panel machine." We're screwed if Obamacare is not repealed.

>> SueinNY Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:56 PM Report Comment

Don't you people understand? Obama is not just using Obamacare as a device to bring down America, he has devised many avenues of destruction for our demise. The unvetted czars, the different departments such as HHS, even the Obama White House website has paid Google to commandeer similar websites to direct them to Obama propaganda!

>> ameriapp Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:05 PM Report Comment

@Rowwdy You obviously have a complex about coming from NC. I think the people that I have met from there and other southern states are amazing people. Being a "redneck" is an attitude it is not about where you are from. I am not going to give you my rank but it is high and I am loved by the Soldiers who work for me, so try again. Was speaking to Doug about an earlier post BTW.. You are an embarrassment to the Officer Corp buddy, a little bit of the scared little Officer side, you are probably a 2LT or a CPT no doubt. You are also paranoid. I have had enough "fun" on this board peace.

>> US Army Officer Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:06 PM Report Comment

Agreed -- Taxes are out of control. I prefer to do something about it. Let's get the IRS audited IRS pays ZERO bills, according to President Reagan. Please listen to

for details and documentation. All IRS tax goes down a rat hole. With all the increases herein, we are doomed. We MUST get an audit the IRS by the GAO, who must report directly to we people. 44forest44

>> 44forest44 Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:09 PM Report Comment

@LC Well I guess we should just shut down the Military and other public services that are provided "free" health care so we can make you feel a little bit more secure in your world. Free health care is not always free buddy. What do you do? Probably nothing in comparison to what Soldiers do in the military. Have a nice life in your little communist mind buddy and good luck to you. I did not come here to be personally attacked, I had an opinion I gave it now I am done with this....I do not like to be verbally abused especially when I can not see the person behind the anger. Peace and Godspeed.

>> US Army Officer Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:09 PM Report Comment

Bab: "An average cost of the education of a physician is $200,000. The length of time to get a PHD is 5 years, med school 4-5. Average 10 years begin-end with PHD." MD's don't get Ph.d's as a rule. They get an MD. First comes the "Bachelor's degree (4 years), then med school (4 years). Some even enter med school after their 2nd or 3rd year of college. Internships after graduation from med school are paid positions. Doctors who choose to specialize take additional training, but that is a CHOICE. Just like med school is a choice. Sadly, there are many who collect acronyms before and after their names at taxpayer expense.

>> Rowwdy Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:12 PM Report Comment

@Rowwdy..... awwwwww is the little guy getting angry? You are a 100% G-O-O-F-B-A-L-L : ) if I may. I know the UCMJ and I know it well as I am sure you do but from the other side. Have a nice live buddy and I HOPE you are not still serving, I would be scared to have someone as scared as you next to me anywhere. Peace and Godspeed. I have the right to say whatever I want, so there.

>> US Army Officer Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:14 PM Report Comment

If it's like social security, they will spend it on anything other than social security....since President LBJ, when he moved S.S. funds to a general fund, politicians have spent all of it...according to USAtoday, $2.5 trillion! They never paid it back! Now, they talk of cutting S.S. and Medicare to our senior citizens. We have become nothing but a source of money for them! And with so many jobs losses, I don't know where they thing they can keep getting more and more out of workers! As for illegals getting off scott free....do you know that they have to work less units to get S.S than US citizens? Yes, some are getting S.S.! We are becoming serfs while taking care of the world's people!

>> dareisay Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:15 PM Report Comment

Jug and duh I agree and this should have been more strongly considered Swiss Model was heavily pushed by a few Republicans and is eloquently endorsed by Regina Herzlinger. It makes sense but the problem we all need to come to grips with is that some degree of mandatory coverage to expand the pool and very extensive regulation of the insurance industry will be necessary for true cost effective health care reform. In Switzerland virtually all of the insurers are not for profit and there MLRs (medical loss ratios) are 95% (5-10 % overhead and profit vs 20+% here)

>> gingermanMD Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:19 PM Report Comment

Karen, I am not sure why you posted the factcheck article. Needless to say it is an example of how lewin and other groups have little understanding of how to actually run a business. Their consultant says, "Employers that are affected may be more likely to pass any increased costs along to workers in the form of lower wages than they are to shed jobs." Yet this statement is patently absurd. If you have a bunch of workers, do you think you can go to them one day and say "hey you we're making 18 an hour but now you make 12?" Businesses don't pass on expenses to their employees, they pass them through to the consumer, if they can.

>> aaron armijo Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:20 PM Report Comment

@Rowwdy..... I am not arguing with you. Don't assume you know me from this post. I actually dont' care what you think. Of course you are an Officer, ummhmmmmmmm. Ta Ta for now! Hope you are smart enough to get the message in this, it is not just what I wrote: ) You wont get it and that is really too bad! I am out to skip down the well paved DADT road back to serve and run to the Doctor so I can get some of that them there free health care that the Prez is dolling out to the Military.

>> US Army Officer Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:26 PM Report Comment

My husband was laid off over 2 years ago at age 62 and has been unable to find work. We took early social Security because we didn't want to lose our home. My husband developed bladder cancer and our insurance will run out next month. His surgery is scheduled for March. we live on a limited income and if I can't afford insurance how in the name of God can we pay a tax? Good grief we just may have to move to Canada or somewhere that we can afford to live. We will pay for s month of insurance so he can have his surgery but i see no way that we can continue to keep it up. we buy no extras and live very frugally. We are scared and don't know what to expect or to do. A country that i love i feel is turning against us. how very sad.

>> Gail A Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:44 PM Report Comment

Simplified health care improvements: Set a limit on the price a drug company can sell a drug for. To create a drug and process it for 5 cents and then charge 100.00 for it is rotten and capitalistic imorality. Let's start with a cap here and do a real service to the public.Keep it simple stupid the KISS principle.

>> blkshk Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:44 PM Report Comment

We'll see how much everybody with children likes Obamacare when they file for their child tax credit and find it CUT IN HALF. How does that help your fellow man, dumocrats? More like kicking him while he's down already reeling from 10% unemployment rates and gas prices skyrocketing again. If this socialist gets re-elected, its fixed. Like pro wrestling. Time to get this trash out of power and actually FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION.

>> mark Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:46 PM Report Comment

@Gail A. I hope that your husband fully recovers from his cancer. I have experienced Cancer in my family and it is a hard disease to deal with but you all will pull through. I am sending you positive thoughts and the highest regard as you and your husband move through this.

>> US Army Officer Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:48 PM Report Comment

"a little bit of the scared little Officer side, you are probably a 2LT or a CPT no doubt". ROFLMBO! Awww the NOW era surfaces. Btw: I passed 04 years ago. What are earth what I be scared of? An insubordinate female? Not likely. You are beyond arrogant. God help the troops under you. IF you are even in the military, which I am beginning to doubt. Maybe your troops "appear: to love you to your face, but I have always found that self-aggrandizing officers need to watch their backs closely. You aren't even bright enough to realize this lunatic bill has a direct impact on military members and military dependents.

>> Rowwdy Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:48 PM Report Comment

thank you US Army Officer, that means a lot to me. I am staying positive as that has always been my way. I just worry about the cost of insurance and the fees if i can't do it. I feel like we are between a rock and a hard place. do I lose my home, have my lights and heat shut off, eat bread and water. We have very few options and I am worried. Thank you for your service,all of the service people are my heroes.

>> Gail A Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:53 PM Report Comment

Say since every soldier and Marine and Congressmen and Senators take an "OATH" to DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION which one of them actually begins to do so and if they don't then what bureacracy or unit has the authority to do it? It appears that ANY military person with enough backing or guts could do so since they took an OATH!!!!!!!!! So what are they waiting on?

>> blkshk Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:53 PM Report Comment

@Rowwdy. ROFLJD:HFIOJDKHSF what the heck was that all about. Yep I am in the military. Yep my Soldiers do love me. Doubt you were in the military. Since you are so mature, I am rubber you are glue bounces off me and sticks to you. Wow "insubordinate female" Don't like the women in the military that much nice buddy! True side always comes out huh? Peace out scared little boy I am out.

>> US Army Officer Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:57 PM Report Comment

@ Gail: You can call 211, the toll free number for United Way and ask them for help. If they can't help you directly, they can put you in touch with many organizations that can and do help people with limited funds. By God, if this govt. can pay for an illegal to have TWO liver transplants to the tune of over $2 million, they best be helping our citizens. Panty waist Obamao coddles to illegals while our taxpayers pick up the tab. What a putz!

>> Rowwdy Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:59 PM Report Comment

Cowman: You absolutely right. We are under attack. Obamao and his brown shirts are going as fast as they can before 2012. There will be much to be undone because of this traitor and his brown shirt thugs. But, once he leaves office, hopefully the new President will undo his executive order and reveal ALL this goon's lies.

>> Rowwdy Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:25 PM Report Comment

Six small businesses closed in my little town in the past 2 weeks. My next door neighbor just went into foreclosure and most of the homes around me are underwater, one by -$240,000. This is commuterville outside Seattle, not exactly the sticks. Nothing is selling. Real estate sales signs have been up so long the weather is making the colors fade and posts fall over. People are scared to death and they think they can squeeze more taxes for forced insurance while they exempt themselves and their friends? They're going to get what they probably want - the mother of all revolutions. We've never had such an inept administration full of freaks, perverts, liars, cheats and anti-Americanism.

>> blue water sailor Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:50 PM Report Comment

Repeal of Obamacare may not come this year, and it may not come next year. But don't worry, Democrats, it WILL come. Oh, yes.

>> USAMike Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:55 PM Report Comment

Blkshk: In case you are unaware, many members of the military are under serious threats if they are heard speaking out about Obmao's stupidity. Yet, "do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies, foreign or DOMESTIC" seems to have been lost because we are without a real Commander in Chief. It is a widely known fact that he and his Amazon have always been anti-military. But, if a revolt does start, there will be military people standing up against that traitors. The words above will not be forsaken.

>> Rowwdy Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:08 PM Report Comment

I will take my insurance policy in the dept of corrections before i could comply to this destruction of this nation

>> james ore Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:18 PM Report Comment

This abomination needs to be repealed asap. The "pre-existing condition" argument is crazy, it's like telling car insurance companies that they are obligated to insure drivers AFTER the accident. Where is the incentive to buy a pricey policy? Just pay the penalty (much less than the premiums), and when you get sick, get the suckers to pay. And this is just one of the jewels in Obozocare.

>> Nico Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:21 PM Report Comment

@GailA: I don't think I read where you work.

>> L. C. Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:28 PM Report Comment

@Karen: Your factcheck link is out of date, and talked about proposed laws, which wasn't the one that was passed.

>> L. C. Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:35 PM Report Comment

And this is only the health care portion of the bill.. if you read it, there is a lot more in there besides just having the covered pay more in order to cover more people. Sounds like the government is taking over the role of the early churches...

>> Sue Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:45 PM Report Comment

Government is the cause of the current unlimited medical inflation cost upward spiral, via Medicare and laws preventing turning away, not to mention CORRUPTION in the FDA, the pharmaceutical cartels, the AMA, and on and on. "World Without Cancer, The Story of Vitamin B-17", "Racketeering in Medicine: The Suppression of Medical Alternatives", "Mercury, Autism, and the Global Vaccine Agenda", "Who Killed Africa?", swallow your fluoridated water, brush your mercury-silver fillings, eat your hydrogenated genetically modified soybean oil margarine because butter and lard are bad for you, and don't forget your Alzheimer's risk increasing foreign dna/rna contaminated, sterility causing flu shot!

>> John Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:48 PM Report Comment

All 'undocumented citizens' should be denied our health-care... and then IMPEACHED!!!!

>> Brad Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:11 PM Report Comment

Everyone knows Obozo will veto the house repeal of ObozoScare but the purpose is to make the house/senate actually vote so all can know who to kick out in 2012... With the house out of Obozo's control there is a commode plug in anymore of these Obozo/Libtard Marxist turd laws getting thru until then.... repeal it they will and fund it they will not. http://www.bunge.go.ke/parliament/downloads/tenth_forth_sess/Hansard/RDRAFT25.03P.pdf It was stated in these 25 Mar 2010 Kenya parliament minutes that Obama was born in Kenya… !!

>> RussVet Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:16 PM Report Comment

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=sr110-511 S. Res. 511 [110th] 2008:…. “Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born “to American citizens†on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, thereforeMcCain is a `natural born Citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.†Notice it says plural “citizens†which means both parents. Obama voted for this resolution. I think it is time for the new house to investigate this issue and do a resolution like this for Obama since his father was not an American citizen and mother not of age. ObozoScare down the toliet because illegally signed

>> RussVet Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:20 PM Report Comment

http://www.kittycatchats.com/2010/08/will-washingtons-failures-lead-to.html I think this all goes back the the issue of wealth and that there is a effort to create a upper and lower class, socialism is ALIVE AND WELL in America and a shame that it has come to that.

>> Mr. Katz Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:32 PM Report Comment

The new taxes are bad enough, but has anyone thought about what will happen to health care in this country once the floodgates open and millions and millions of uninsured people suddenly become insured? The new health-scare bill means that fewer and fewer young people will choose the medical profession and there won't be enough 'good' doctors to treat patients in a timely manner. Our hospitals and physicians will be swamped with new patients and appointments for treatment will be months instead of days. And sick people will die waiting for treatment...all in the name of Obama and his legacy of 'change'. I wrote about this a year ago. http://grouchyman.com/2010/01/19/why-the-proposed-healthcare-system-is-gonna-kill-us/

>> The Grouchy Man Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:39 PM Report Comment

Americans are the most generous people in the world. Allow them to determine how to spend their money and they will help provide for the less fortunate... however, we do not need government to determine how we spend our money.... Tax and spend is not the answer. When government is involved, everything costs more. Dump this misguided health plan and cut government spending now...

>> Wayne Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:52 PM Report Comment

I also heard that included in Obamacare was a 3% federal tax on all home sales. Is that true?

>> Bud Sunday, January 16, 2011 12:26 AM Report Comment

Why does the military get socialized healthcare (VA). Talk about bull. You work there 3 years get covered the rest of your life. I say cover everyone or cover nobody. Police, firefighters, teachers, social workers are just as important. A bunch of double standards

>> Edward Roohan Sunday, January 16, 2011 12:36 AM Report Comment

So let me get this straight, illegal aliens get an exemption. Well what person is going to tell the Gov't that they are illegal?

>> Laurenjane001 Sunday, January 16, 2011 12:45 AM Report Comment

Im sorry, I pay enough taxes and I pay cash for my health care. Guess what I lost my trucking job in 2009...now work for 25% of what I earned before. SO I REFUSE TO PAY ANY MORE TAXES.

>> Will Sunday, January 16, 2011 12:47 AM Report Comment

All of y'all talk about freedom and the "free market." Are you kidding me? The free market has done nothing to help the average American with their health care needs. You cannot count on private employers to do the right thing. If they do provide insurance, in more and more cases, it is overprioed and doesn't provide the proper care. Y'all wanna stay with a status quo that has failed America.

>> Jamie Storie Sunday, January 16, 2011 1:16 AM Report Comment

@Edward Roohan: I would justify it like this: A commitment to the military demands more personal sacrifice than those other jobs. They are away from their families for months and sometimes years. Their jobs are more dangerous and carry greater risk of injury, maiming and death than those others you mentioned, especially at a time like this but even in peacetime military members routinely die or are injured in training exercises.(continued in next post...)

>> Doug Sunday, January 16, 2011 1:48 AM Report Comment

@Edward Roohan: ...They are paid much less than those other jobs, and they also can't just quit whenever they feel like it as any of those other people could. If you want to talk about a double standard, how about the difference between the gov't benefits those jobs get versus what the majority of the private sector gets. That's a much bigger discrepancy.

>> Doug Sunday, January 16, 2011 1:53 AM Report Comment

The tax list displayed several instances where American Corporations may be absorbing a huge health care increases. Accounting 101. Companies and Corpoations cost of business is past through to the customers; ergo, higher food, clothing, and energy for Americans. With the national debt and health care, President Carter's Inflationary period will look like a non-event compared to coming Obama economic melt down.

>> Quadrillion Sunday, January 16, 2011 2:14 AM Report Comment

The new taxes are bad enough, but has anyone thought about what will happen to health care in this country once the floodgates open and millions and millions of uninsured people suddenly become insured? The new health-scare bill means that fewer and fewer young people will choose the medical profession and there won't be enough 'good' doctors to treat patients in a timely manner. Our hospitals and physicians will be swamped with new patients and appointments for treatment will be months instead of days. And sick people will die waiting for treatment...all in the name of Obama and his legacy of 'change'. I wrote about this a year ago. http://grouchyman.com/2010/01/19/why-the-proposed-healthcare-system-is-gonna-kill-us/

>> The Grouchy Man Sunday, January 16, 2011 2:20 AM Report Comment

@Jamie - No we're not kidding Jamie. I don't know what free market system you are talking about that "has done nothing to help the average American with their health care needs." The free market system saved my life. Saved me from one of teh hiseous deaths a human being can experience. When the world gets sick, they get their care here. I've met people,and government officials from virtually every country of Europe, numerous middle east countries, and numerous asian countries. They all come because we have the most advanced healthcare on earth. That is what the free market has done. This is just one of those world's best instutions brought to you be a free market www.mdanderson.org

>> aaron armijo Sunday, January 16, 2011 2:49 AM Report Comment

I can't take much more. I'm a hair-trigger away from leaving Dodge and heading overseas to a less stressful and (hopefully) warmer clime. I'll live in an adobe hut, raise chickens, pick vegetables, fetch water from a bucket on the end of a rope...I don't care. Living in the U.S. is so much B.S. and stress, it's simply not worth it anymore. Take your Obamacare and shove it up your black ass, I ain't paying!

>> 1040A nightmare Sunday, January 16, 2011 2:55 AM Report Comment

Grouchy, you're right. The unintended consequences of this bill are staggering. It will effectively lead to rationed care, even more doctors will drop out of the system, leaving even a greater shortage. Quality of care will deteriorate. And medical costs will not go down, they will skyrocket upward. This will in turn lead to more politicians complaining about the evils of theh capitalist system, so it will lead to the govt having to cap re-imbursements for procedures, or limit physicians' incomes ... people truly do not understand the string of events this legislation triggers.

>> aaron Sunday, January 16, 2011 2:56 AM Report Comment

So...., Is anyone ready for a revolution! We are the government! Isn't it time to do our job and take the reigns! Tell the ones we put in office to do what we want and not what only benifits them! It's time for accountability! To live by the same rules and laws they impose!

>> Freedom Sunday, January 16, 2011 2:57 AM Report Comment

@Gail A. Thank you so much for your kind words to me during this time of great hardship for yourself. I do hope that you are able to use the information provided to you on this link and that you get what you need for yourself and your husband. I will be thinking about you and your husband over time and sending you positive thoughts and well wishes for the insurance to get right and also a speedy recovery for your husband. I think I am going to end my comments here, it is becoming a bit more than I thought it would be, I do not like to argue with people but I will be thinking of you!

>> US Army Officer Sunday, January 16, 2011 3:46 AM Report Comment

@ Ed. Ed you don't get covered when serving just three years UNLESS you are seriously injured and deemed at least 30% disabled by the VA. Than yes the coverage under TRICARE is carried on. Please read what Doug said, he has good points. If you want to discuss like adults I can do that but if you want to verbally attack me I am not discussing further. Thanks

>> US Army Officer Sunday, January 16, 2011 3:49 AM Report Comment

@The Grouchy Man, you hit on one of the problems, not enough providers getting into the field because of liability. We really do need tort reform, Sadly, that wasn't even a consideration when the HCR law was passed.

>> harold Sunday, January 16, 2011 4:13 AM Report Comment

What ever happened to: A government of the people, by the people and for the people? This government seems more interested in what's in our wallets and how they can get their hands on more of it.

>> Dr. Ed Sunday, January 16, 2011 8:31 AM Report Comment

This is another incentive to work less and retire earlier than I had planned. I will pay less tax and the budget deficit and national debt will increase. Wome in Washington don't get it....When you tax something you get less of it.

>> Sal Sunday, January 16, 2011 8:33 AM Report Comment

Joel is just 1 of many entitlement people in our country. Little do they know how destructive it is to America. How in the heck do these people think that it is ok to take from a worker and give it to some lazy ass that won't take responsibility for themselves. We have never been more split and i don't think there's any way we'll come together. I will never give in to the socialist/progressive/marxist movements and the lazy/ignorant or just plain stupid people will never stop voting for the dems that offer to give them everyone else's money.

>> sl22 Sunday, January 16, 2011 8:35 AM Report Comment

Why don't they start a Federal Health Insurance program for the 15% of citizens they claim do not have insurance and leave us and everyone else alone. It could be run just like the Federal Flood Insurance program in which not all need flood insurance. In fact, the flood insurance premiums are very cheap and have a limit payout of $250K. Probably looses money, but who cares. Everything they do does, but at least they would not wreck the best healthcare in the world.

>> Genie Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:07 AM Report Comment

Why don't they start a Federal Health Insurance program for the 15% of citizens they claim do not have insurance and leave us and everyone else alone. It could be run just like the Federal Flood Insurance program in which not all need flood insurance. In fact, the flood insurance premiums are very cheap and have a limit payout of $250K. Probably looses money, but who cares. Everything they do does, but at least they would not wreck the best healthcare in the world.

>> Genie Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:14 AM Report Comment

Its about time they did something to reign in Insurance Co. abuses. It may not be perfect, but its a start. 100% better than NOTHING.

>> Brett Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:27 AM Report Comment

Germany 1925, Russia 1917, Spain 1935, Cuba 1960, China 1949, but the next revolution will be a lot different for the Reds. The 2nd Amendment will see to that, something that all those countries lacked. You can only run so far.

>> snakedog Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:31 AM Report Comment


>> ObamaIsAMuslimScrewingAmerica Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:32 AM Report Comment

How can you believe that it is "fair" for those working to pay for those who can and choose not to work? Or to pay for those who could have come here legally and become citizens, but choose to be here illegally and demand "free" services the legal citizens pay for? This law is robbing the not-so-rich to pay for the vagrants that could be rehabilitated, and the illegals that should be deported. I'd willingly contribute to either of those. **"Vagrants" includes those that are able bodied and refuse to find/keep a job, and those who would be able-bodied if they renounced the alcohol and/or drugs keeping them in the depths of delusional entitlement.

>> DMJB Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:40 AM Report Comment

Codification of the “economic substance doctrineâ€(Tax hike of $4.5 billion). This provision allows the IRS to disallow completely-legal tax deductions and other legal tax-minimizing plans just because the IRS deems that the action lacks “substance†and is merely intended to reduce taxes owed. Read more: http://www.atr.org/comprehensive-list-tax-hikes-obamacare-a5758##ixzz1BD6WFDTh

>> Zappa Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:53 AM Report Comment

Where is Ayn Rand when you need her?

>> Copper Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:55 AM Report Comment

All of this needs to be repeal now. But I ask myself why the first tax was on Tanning Services? It this a dig at white people wanting to be darker skin and a means of backdoor racist. If anyone has logical reason why tanning services are included in the obamacare, i would like to know. Tax on Indoor Tanning Services($2.7 billion/July 1, 2010): New 10 percent excise tax on Americans using indoor tanning salons

>> John Russell Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:04 AM Report Comment


>> SUNNY SIDE Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:08 AM Report Comment

What ever happened to: A government of the people, by the people and for the people? This government seems more interested in what's in our wallets and how they can get their hands on more of it AMEN....WE ARE FOR THIS...WELL PUT...

>> SUNNYSIDE Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:14 AM Report Comment

I still don't know who these (30 million) people are that don't have health care. I know many that have no formal insurance but receive healthcare through Medicaid, etc. that is equal to my care. Yes we pay for Medicaid care. This bill just changes the way we pay. It does nothing to decrease costs. I believe just the bureaucracy being built to manage this law will far outstrip any potential savings. And by the way. what happened to the other 20 million people the law was supposed to cover. The sell job used the figure of 50 million Americans uninsured. In years hence Obamacare will be synonymous with socialistic and idealogic.

>> Don W Sunday, January 16, 2011 11:09 AM Report Comment

Diedrelene: What makes YOU think you're entitled to our support? You have the same right to the PURSUIT of happiness and comfort as the rest of us, NOT to our money. Your values are in direct contrast to the principles of this country and the overwhelming majority of us vehemently oppose your views. You are the only one responsible for your seven children. I am responsible ONLY for the TWO that I chose to have. I would love to have had seven children but knew I couldn't afford to properly provide for more. You've made your bed; now lie in it.

>> deb Sunday, January 16, 2011 11:13 AM Report Comment

Rowwdy: Thank you for your service, sir. We are all in your debt. Isn't it interesting how the highly evolved, 'tolerant' and 'enlightened' left relentlessly demeans and insults the very people it claims to support? Its race-baiting and class warfare reveals the true nature of its hypocrisy and dishonesty.

>> gobnait Sunday, January 16, 2011 11:19 AM Report Comment

So lets get this straight. Before Obamacare, people with insurance were paying for the free hospital visits of the 30 million uninsured, through slightly higher premiums. Now, the government is going to collect a bunch more from everybody, spend a ton of money on bureaucracy and regulations and pay for the health care of those same people. For every dollar in new taxes, I have to wonder how much will be left for actual health benefits after the feds take their 'administrative' costs out. My guess is that the higher taxes will be far higher than the higher premiums.

>> Tommcomm Sunday, January 16, 2011 11:22 AM Report Comment

Well "Queen Pelosi" we now know what's in it. Thank you democrats for all the taxes in a HC bill. I am poor and under this plan it is guaranteed that I will be poorer by this government overreaching POS money grabbing monster. Stupid people want us to have fewer children so there will be no one to back fill vacant jobs? History tells us that when nations depopulate they eventually fail. Go look at some of the EU countries that have gone thru this. What, you don't believe in lessons learned?

>> SamIamTwo Sunday, January 16, 2011 11:27 AM Report Comment

People need to wise up and explore legal remedies. The spirit of the law and legislation passed in 1973 widely known as Roe vs. Wade concluded the United States government does not have the "right to interfere with a woman's health choices". This much is historical fact. All I can say - if it's good enough for women, it's good enough for me. Obama-Don't-Care is another illegal attempt permitting the government to intrude in our personal choices and freedoms; health and otherwise. How dare they pass this off as a health care bill when in reality it is anything but? This bill is literally another BILL and contains more oppressive taxation and unconstitutional health care intrusion by the government.

>> Banderman Sunday, January 16, 2011 11:39 AM Report Comment

You need to be borderline insane (liberalism), to be able to defend Obamacare. Any balanced thinking individual can see that Obamacare is just a piece of a bigger plan to desroy all the that is, The United States of America. We are the balance in this world. And the global plan needs us gone.

>> cmc Sunday, January 16, 2011 11:50 AM Report Comment

Laws and Taxes are for Peons and Peasants. Until the IRS is abolished and the tAXE code is replaced with a national sales tax (NOT a VAT tax and not the Flat Rate tax), the divide and conquer rule will continue to destroy us. No more evading by Gheitner, Charlie Wrangel, while the rest of us pay.

>> The Navigator Sunday, January 16, 2011 12:02 PM Report Comment

Where is the $600/yr,IRS 1099 requirement ....starting in 2012? Does this include what I spend on the Internet?

>> Kansas Professor Sunday, January 16, 2011 12:12 PM Report Comment

I own a small company with staffing levels exceeding 70. We, will not comply!

>> Darel Sunday, January 16, 2011 12:34 PM Report Comment

I read during the debate leading up to the vote to pass this disturbing monstrosity of a health care bill that it would cost the government approximately 135 million dollars per year to insure all those without health insurance. If this is true, this is less than the cost of one new fighter jet.

>> John.in.Georgia Sunday, January 16, 2011 12:58 PM Report Comment

I am sorry, the number should have been 135 Billion dollars. Sorry for my stupid mistake. And that is less than we spend on the interest for the national debt each year.

>> John.in.Georgia Sunday, January 16, 2011 1:04 PM Report Comment

Hey Joel, if you think there won't be any caps on benefits, then you should take advantage of the (presumably free) psychiatric counseling because you, sir, are straight up tripping.

>> Martin Truther Sunday, January 16, 2011 1:14 PM Report Comment


>> DAN KY Sunday, January 16, 2011 1:34 PM Report Comment

Rowwdy thank you so much for that info on the United Way.I will definitely try them. For those of you wondering if I work no I have bad asthma and COPD plus my foot has deformed and it is very difficult to walk or stand without holding myself up with something. I was collecting disability but it was only for $54.00 and every time they sent a check I had to send it back because they claimed they overpaid me. LOL I dropped it and now collect early social Security. $780 a month. If I pay all my bills we have $187.50 left over a week. That is for food, gas and medications. not a lot but I don't want to get behind on anything as we could not catch up. life is getting harder but things can change and I just make the best out of it that I can.

>> Gail A Sunday, January 16, 2011 1:53 PM Report Comment

Yesterday Matt insisted that the CBO declared the Healthcare Law to reduce the deficit. I agree that, yes, that was regurgitated many times in the news last year. I have not heard many people point out that the same "nonpartisan" CBO in 1965 underestimated the cost of Medicare by NINE times the actual cost over 30 years. How can we trust a crack team of financial experts that can be so far off the mark? Matt, you are entitled to that fact.

>> Dean Sunday, January 16, 2011 2:02 PM Report Comment

I live on investment income and I am in the bracket for the "surtax." This means that with my own health insurance premiums, combined with the "surtax", I am out 40 to 50K a year before I even set foot into a doctor's office. Is this fair? Is this America? Is this redistribution? What the hell is going on?

>> Genie Sunday, January 16, 2011 2:05 PM Report Comment

Let's hope the new Congress works.

>> 44forest44 Sunday, January 16, 2011 2:16 PM Report Comment

What do you want to bet that there will be ANOTHER manufactured (by 0buma operatives) catastrophy that will occur during the week that the congress has set aside to vote for the repeal of the 0bumamarxist healthcare farce. Never waste a good crisis as 0bumas devils say and if non exists, then create one.

>> blackavenger Sunday, January 16, 2011 2:21 PM Report Comment

"you people act like you have forgotten what it means to share"--Brian that's the same kind of addled headed nonsense we heard in the 60s when the Great Society programs were shoved down our throats by LBJ. Instead of providing a helping hand, GS welfare programs have been a boot to the throats of the poor, creating generations of welfare dependence. Why do we have to repeat that obviously failed approach with health care reform?

>> Scott Sunday, January 16, 2011 2:40 PM Report Comment

As more and more people can't afford or pay for health insurance they go to emergency rooms for their healthcare. When they can't pay the ER bill those charges are spread to insured patients...Ok, you follow. The people who can't pay spreads the cost on pay who can...stay with me now. As I see it we already pay for people who can't...yes? And isn't ER visits the most expensive medical cost there is? The question boils down to this; as more and more people don't have insurance the more we all pay for ours. At what point do we allow sick and injured people in the USA to die on the sidewalks like in third world countries? For me I don't want people to die on the streets because they can't afford healthcare, do you?

>> Dennis Sunday, January 16, 2011 2:46 PM Report Comment

No one wants anyone to die in the streets. A good bill would include tort reform, tax breaks for Dr.'s/investors to open rural/regional healthcare facilities staffed with PA's, nurses, etc. People who go to the ER need to be EMERGENCIES! Largely, it’s runny noses. We pay Dr's who have made huge financial investments in their career to take care of runny noses! This bill includes COLLEGE STUDENT LOANS. Let's make everyone dependent on the govt...who the heck pays for the govt? WE DO...I for one do not want to be beholding to the government for anything except national security, interstate commerce and a national currency!! They have bankrupted social security, Medicare, Medicaid, the post office and Amtrak. Manage healthcare?

>> Jane Sunday, January 16, 2011 3:15 PM Report Comment

you know why doctors get $135 for a 3 minute consult? Short story. Engineer retires. A few months later, big problem at work, the boss begs the engineer to solve it. Engineer says no no no, finally relents, solves problem by drawing a line on the ground with chalk. Submits bill--$10,000.30. Boss demands itemized bill. Engineer sends new bill. $0.30 for chalk, $10,000 knowing where to draw line. And that's why that doctor gets $135 for 3 minutes; he knows where to draw the line. Are you going to cure yourself? No, you go the expert, who should get paid well for his expertise.

>> Scott Sunday, January 16, 2011 3:24 PM Report Comment

I strongly object to Muslims being exempt, from Obamacare. I need to start my own religion I guess. But there should be a nice big fat fee charged Muslims anyway. I don't want to pay their share. Glenda

>> Glenda Davis Sunday, January 16, 2011 3:27 PM Report Comment

talk about spreading the wealth sounds like spreading desaster to me. all put together by a bunch of clowns that never read the bill and have no idea what is it it themselfs.

>> john Sunday, January 16, 2011 3:29 PM Report Comment

The Muslims are dedicated, to the death, to their country and their religion. Inasmuch as Obama is not serving in their army of terrorists, I wonder how many virgins he has been promised in paradise to completely destroy our great nation by elimanating our monetary system and throwing our country into a debt that will be felt by every person who is trying to make a decent and honest living for his family. His examples of the average American Family is in the group of earning $250,000 per year. I know of several families that are barley getting by on $30,000 a year. So much for him and our wealthy congressmen and other polititians!!!

>> Charles Stafford Sunday, January 16, 2011 3:34 PM Report Comment

One thing - health insurance is a PRODUCT you PAY for. Know your current policy and study it. If you don't have it, work with the doctors to find a way to pay your bills and stay healthy (as best you can); or get on a plan. I don't want the government involved at all; I think they should take out some of the restrictions and make it more of a free-market policy that can REALLY make a difference both in cost and in quality. If you pay for a product, know what your rights and details on the policy are and don't blame someone else. Repeal this bill, know your rights and policy and stop asking for others to pick up your check!

>> Matt Sunday, January 16, 2011 3:42 PM Report Comment

I wonder how long it will be before Democrats become fair game for deer hunters and the like. The Government is just asking for the citizens of this country to rise up and for a rebellion to begin. I think they will have their wish sooner than later. Do these people in Washington not see what's coming? Talk about having blinders on! It's just about time to move out of Dodge to a nice country setting.

>> Karl Sunday, January 16, 2011 4:23 PM Report Comment

Friends, I would encourage you to write your Representatives, State and Locate, to get behind a law that will not allow legislators to pass any bils which establishes a tax on anybody for anything beyond the term of office of the one (The President of the US in the case of a Federal Law) who is signing the bill.

>> James Baker Sunday, January 16, 2011 4:42 PM Report Comment


>> Think Sunday, January 16, 2011 5:23 PM Report Comment

Margi-I hope you have your eyes open because the illegals are costing this country probably several billion$ annually. We are feeding the illigals, educating them, giving them medical care, and on and on. What are they giving us, no income taxes paid, filling our jails at a cost between $26,000 and $36,000 each individual per year and on and on. I have wondered for over 60 years how in the world Hitler got a whole nation to follow his lunatic ways. First a person arises from the East, Kenya, belivers,those who elected him, think Obama is living God, and join him. There is the SS led by Nancy, the ovens kept by Harry. By the way, leave S.Palin alone, she might be the one to save us.

>> Joe Johns Sunday January 16, 2011 Sunday, January 16, 2011 5:52 PM Report Comment

What is not noticed by most that say they want to opt out of the bill and won't pay, is that somewhere in the bill is a stipulation that the IRS will have access to your Bank account to Withdraw the costs automatically like Auto Bill Pay is now. If you E file your Taxes, I was told to not ever arrange for Auto Deposit, but request a check. Apparently the IRS is building a database with the Bank Information to enable auto drafting in the future. Maybe just anothe conspiracy theory, but why take a chance..

>> SoSueMe Sunday, January 16, 2011 7:28 PM Report Comment

Awesome! This tax the majority for a minority of people who either don't or won't get health insurance. Get rid of the fraud and ridiculous lawsuits for injuries. Rates would come down and be affordable for everyone.

>> jack Sunday, January 16, 2011 8:42 PM Report Comment

I think these taxes are just fine. They sure beat what we have now and if they get universal care I think that would even be better.

>> philDFL Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:21 PM Report Comment

I heard somewhere another and well hidden tax is one on all real estate transactions will be subject to a new, landmark 3.8% Federal Sales Tax ... in 2013 after the anointed one's run for more golf, hoops and vacation time. If true, this element will screw the retiring or retired generation who often downsize their homes. Of course as Nan said, “we had pass the bill so we know what was in itâ€. Having said that, now that we know how will we get rid of the bad stuff that’s in it?

>> Bundoker Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:23 PM Report Comment

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Studying medical bankruptcies in Massachusetts, whose recent healthcare reform was a model for national reform, researchers found that while new insurance rules increased the number of people who had coverage, those rules did not improve coverage -- leaving many still struggling with medical debt.

Proponents of the national healthcare reform passed into law last year have claimed that it would reduce medical bankruptcy in the United States by helping more Americans get insurance. This new study, which was published Tuesday in the American Journal of Medicine, suggests that a reduction in bankruptcies is unlikely.


The paper cited the example of the least expensive coverage available to a 56-year-old Bostonian in 2009. Such a policy carried a premium of $5,256 and a deductible of $2,000, and covered only 80% of the next $15,000 in costs for covered services. The authors calculated that an insured couple with an income greater than $44,000 (above the eligibility threshold for subsidies) could pay $20,512 for covered annual medical expenses.

Woolhandler said insurance in Massachusetts had become even more expensive in the two years since. "It's really too much money for the average family -- especially if the breadwinner is the one who gets sick," she said. Uncovered services could make costs even greater, the study reported.

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/health/boostershots/la-heb-obama...

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