Steven Gaal Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) Gee Len , I still visualize more thrusts from OUTSIDE Syria than internal revolt Re: your map. I see raids outside of border THRUST areas ,thats all. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ BREAKING: Foreign Troops on the Ground Inside Syria in Violation ...www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?aid=29150&context=vaCached You +1'd this publicly. Undo Feb 8, 2012 – According to Debka, the Israeli intelligence news media, both British and Qatari Special forces have been dispatched to Syria. According to the ... ######################################### Her Majesty's BBC's Syria Coverage: "Sorry for the Lies"... http://www.globalres...xt=va&aid=31718 by Felicity Arbuthnot 7/2/12 ========================== Creativity is the lifeblood of our organisation.” (BBC Mission statement.) (( Gaal ,Cant agree with above more and gee I didnt see the word truth in the mission statement of BBC. //END Gaal )) As the sabre rattling towards Iran and the ongoing tragedy in Syria become increasingly hard to unravel, "media errors" or perhaps even "obfuscation" create their own navigational complexities. One example: on Sunday July 1st, BBC news programmes repeatedly stated that Syrian troops had fired at mourners at a funeral in or near Damascus (i.) Para 4: “...Meanwhile, activists said a funeral procession in a suburb of Damascus came under mortar attack and 30 people died. “The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights released amateur video footage claiming to show the explosion in Zamalka, a town 10km (six miles) east of the Syrian capital. “There has been no independent confirmation of the incident.” However the Los Angeles Times had an entirely different take on exactly the same event (ii.) A car bomb, rather than mortar attacks by Syrian forces, had killed up to eighty five mourners or members of the public: “The car bomb went off as the procession passed a mosque. Hazy video clouded by dust in the first moments after the explosion showed dozens of mangled bodies lying on the road and the stretcher carrying Halabi’s body on the ground nearby. ‘ "I can’t describe my feelings, because I am still numb right now given what I saw today," said Abu Omar, whose cousin was killed and father and uncle injured. "No one can withstand what we saw …” ‘ Whilst, clearly in shock, not citing facts, the witness quoted by the Los Angeles Times also blamed the government. However, at least he had a name, there was a first hand description of events and the graphic picture showed this was no random shooting. The BBC seems to rely almost entirely, as illustrated by the above report, on un-named "activists say" sources - or the "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights", allegedly a one man satellite dish fitter from Coventry, in England’s West Midlands. The shocking recent picture of victims of a "massacre in Syria”, shown by the BBC as proof that the government was responsible (iii) turned out to be "photographic evidence" (taken from the BBC's photo archives) of a 2003 massacre in Iraq, which was the result of the illegal US-UK led invasion and occupation. Needless to say, the BBC's "score card" for accurate reporting currently reads: "Must do better." These are two incidents, among many others, which leave an impression of biased coverage and media maniupulation. With regard to Syria, the BBC is serving as a cheer leader for a new invasion rather than that of an impartial news gathering organisation. Many scholarly articles have been written comparing the complexities in Syria with the Balkans conflict of the 1990s (eg: iv) including foreign interference and funding - and media bias. After the NATO assault on the Balkans, the BBC’s Defense Correspondent of eleven years, Mark Laity who had covered the conflict, joined NATO at their Brussels headquarters as deputy to their chief spokesman, Jamie Shea. (v) Laity rose to become Chief of Strategic Communications at SHAPE (Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers in Europe) which commands all NATO military operations. The BBC receives a large amount of funding from the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office, supposedly the diplomatic arms of the government whose Foreign Secretaries, of which ever political persuasion, have long favoured “war, war”, over “jaw, jaw” to misquote another war monger. UK Foreign Secretary William Hague has missed no opportunity to join US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in declaring that the sovereign government of President Assad of Syria: “ … must go”, and indeed advocating Britain’s funding of the insurgents. Whilst the Foreign Office funds go to the BBC World Service, an arm of the organization which plays a vital role: “Constitutionally, BBC World Service forms an integral part of the BBC Global News Division which also contains BBC World and the BBC's international-facing online news services.”(vii) Interesting to note is that the BBC also applied for funding from the US State Department, in a deal to combat censorship: “The funding is also expected to be used to educate people in countries with state censorship in how to circumnavigate the blocking of internet and TV services.” "Governments who have an interest in denying people information particularly at times of tension and upheaval are keen to do this and it is a particular problem now”, said BBC Controller of Business and Strategy, Jim Egan.(viii) The deal, was expected to be formally announced on International Press Freedom Day, on 3rd May. Seemingly though, funding the British state broadcaster met with some hostility in the US and the arrangement seems, currently, to have foundered. It has certainly gone very quiet. (ix) Ironically on June 30th, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov’s criticisms from the Geneva summit, about the Western media's news coverage of the situation in Syria, allegedly led the BBC to interrupt his speech with a weather forecast. “Lavrov’s press conference at the Geneva meeting on Saturday June 30 provided another chance for the BBC to show its bias against the Syrian government”, stated Press TV, the media outlet of one of the countries the State Department funding was meant to “liberate” from censorship – Iran. (x.). Notes i. http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-18650775 ii. http://latimesblogs....yrian-town.html iii. http://www.telegraph...n-massacre.html iv. http://www.globalres...xt=va&aid=30001 v. http://www.jfcnaples...ge52724739.aspx vi. http://www.fco.gov.u...sS&id=619823882 vii. http://www.bbc.co.uk...stitution.shtml viii. http://www.guardian....vice-us-funding ix. http://opennet.net/b...rican-criticism x. http://www.presstv.i...-lavrov-speech/ ################################################################### http://www.ozyism.co...-events-in.html "Athens, (SANA) - Member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Greece (KKE), Eliseos Vagenas, on Monday stressed the deliberate falsification by global mass media coverage of the events taking place in Syria, particularly by al-Jazeera TV Satellite Channel which works as a center for broadcasting false information about Syria." Source It seems the media is taking clips from other events, or from other time frames and using it as war propaganda against Syria. The same happened in Libya where they used clips showing Africans being beaten up, then claiming they are Mercenaries as if there is no black population in Libya, as if Libya is not in Africa. This is not journalism because non of these clips are confirmable, but still broad-casted in all major news organizations as truth. In a statement to the Greek newspaper Rizospastis, he said that the videos broadcast by al-Jazeera allegedly from Syria are actually taken from events in other countries. Source Another perspective from RT, an interview with Anhar Kuchniva, and he says: "AK: There’s a powerful misinformation swell going on. On April 1, the media reported a large anti-governmental rally in Damascus. I was in Damascus on that day. This rally never happened – I didn’t see it, and neither did the locals. On April 16, Reuters news agency wrote that 50,000 opponents of the regime took to the streets of Damascus, and that they had been dispersed with tear gas and batons. Damascus’ residents realize that such a rally could not take place in the city unnoticed. How many policemen would it take to disperse it? And how come nobody saw it except Reuters? Five hundred people in the streets of Damascus are a large crowd. Reuters broadcast their material around the world, including Russia. One source lies, and then this lie is like a snowball rolling downhill creating a fake reality, and picking up rumor and speculation. People in Syria watch the footage. What do they see? A picture allegedly from Yemen. A picture allegedly from Egypt. A picture allegedly from Syria. But the pictures all show people dressed in the same fashion. People in Syria can tell their fellow countrymen from their neighbors – both by their faces and their clothes. There are videos on the internet showing how amateur footage of the so-called riots is made. There's a parked car and nothing’s going on around. And there's a man standing next to it throwing rocks. And people around are taking pictures. There are a lot of staged videos. A Lebanese can tell the difference between footage taken in Lebanon and that taken in Damascus at a glance. And they show footage from Tripoli, or footage taken several years ago in Iraq, and say it is unrest in Syria. There are many online forums for women in Arab countries. Women share information following TV reports on ‘mass unrests’. Women write – what’s happening outside your window? And they reply: we looked down from the balcony, and didn’t see anything that the TV was talking about. Presently, a lot of young unarmed policemen get killed. The media propaganda immediately labels them as victims of the regime. I repeat, policemen are unarmed. The Syrian police are not too good with guns, because nothing like this has happened here for a long time. But the killed rookies are reported as either victims among the protestors, or as policemen who refused to shoot at their fellow countrymen, depending on the editors’ preference. Goebbels’ words seem to be true: the bigger the lie, the more easily they believe it." Edited July 3, 2012 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Gee Len , I still visualize more thrusts from OUTSIDE Syria than internal revolt Re: your map. I see raids outside of border THRUST areas ,thats all. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ BREAKING: Foreign Troops on the Ground Inside Syria in Violation ...www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?aid=29150&context=vaCached You +1'd this publicly. Undo Feb 8, 2012 – According to Debka, the Israeli intelligence news media, both British and Qatari Special forces have been dispatched to Syria. According to the ... ######################################### Her Majesty's BBC's Syria Coverage: "Sorry for the Lies"... http://www.globalres...xt=va&aid=31718 by Felicity Arbuthnot 7/2/12 ========================== So? Do you think the US should have remained a British colony? Don't forget that the Patriots were aided by the Spanish and French. And must think South Africa should have continued under minority rule because the ANC got help from Cuba and the USSR. The title of the article is "First foreign troops in Syria back Homs rebels. Damascus and Moscow at odds" so if you accept it as accurate the rebel have fought on their own till now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 Syria will be controled by DEBT to western Banks /institutions. Your analogy falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Syria will be controled by DEBT to western Banks /institutions. Your analogy falls. Pure speculation on your part, your paranoid drivel fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Gee Len , I still visualize more thrusts from OUTSIDE Syria than internal revolt Re: your map. I see raids outside of border THRUST areas ,thats all. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ BREAKING: Foreign Troops on the Ground Inside Syria in Violation ...www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?aid=29150&context=vaCached You +1'd this publicly. Undo Feb 8, 2012 – According to Debka, the Israeli intelligence news media, both British and Qatari Special forces have been dispatched to Syria. According to the ... ######################################### Her Majesty's BBC's Syria Coverage: "Sorry for the Lies"... http://www.globalres...xt=va&aid=31718 by Felicity Arbuthnot 7/2/12 ========================== Creativity is the lifeblood of our organisation.” (BBC Mission statement.) (( Gaal ,Cant agree with above more and gee I didnt see the word truth in the mission statement of BBC. //END Gaal )) As the sabre rattling towards Iran and the ongoing tragedy in Syria become increasingly hard to unravel, "media errors" or perhaps even "obfuscation" create their own navigational complexities. One example: on Sunday July 1st, BBC news programmes repeatedly stated that Syrian troops had fired at mourners at a funeral in or near Damascus (i.) Para 4: “...Meanwhile, activists said a funeral procession in a suburb of Damascus came under mortar attack and 30 people died. “The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights released amateur video footage claiming to show the explosion in Zamalka, a town 10km (six miles) east of the Syrian capital. “There has been no independent confirmation of the incident.” However the Los Angeles Times had an entirely different take on exactly the same event (ii.) A car bomb, rather than mortar attacks by Syrian forces, had killed up to eighty five mourners or members of the public: “The car bomb went off as the procession passed a mosque. Hazy video clouded by dust in the first moments after the explosion showed dozens of mangled bodies lying on the road and the stretcher carrying Halabi’s body on the ground nearby. ‘ "I can’t describe my feelings, because I am still numb right now given what I saw today," said Abu Omar, whose cousin was killed and father and uncle injured. "No one can withstand what we saw …” ‘ Whilst, clearly in shock, not citing facts, the witness quoted by the Los Angeles Times also blamed the government. However, at least he had a name, there was a first hand description of events and the graphic picture showed this was no random shooting. The BBC seems to rely almost entirely, as illustrated by the above report, on un-named "activists say" sources - or the "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights", allegedly a one man satellite dish fitter from Coventry, in England’s West Midlands. The shocking recent picture of victims of a "massacre in Syria”, shown by the BBC as proof that the government was responsible (iii) turned out to be "photographic evidence" (taken from the BBC's photo archives) of a 2003 massacre in Iraq, which was the result of the illegal US-UK led invasion and occupation. Needless to say, the BBC's "score card" for accurate reporting currently reads: "Must do better." These are two incidents, among many others, which leave an impression of biased coverage and media maniupulation. With regard to Syria, the BBC is serving as a cheer leader for a new invasion rather than that of an impartial news gathering organisation. Many scholarly articles have been written comparing the complexities in Syria with the Balkans conflict of the 1990s (eg: iv) including foreign interference and funding - and media bias. After the NATO assault on the Balkans, the BBC’s Defense Correspondent of eleven years, Mark Laity who had covered the conflict, joined NATO at their Brussels headquarters as deputy to their chief spokesman, Jamie Shea. (v) Laity rose to become Chief of Strategic Communications at SHAPE (Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers in Europe) which commands all NATO military operations. The BBC receives a large amount of funding from the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office, supposedly the diplomatic arms of the government whose Foreign Secretaries, of which ever political persuasion, have long favoured “war, war”, over “jaw, jaw” to misquote another war monger. UK Foreign Secretary William Hague has missed no opportunity to join US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in declaring that the sovereign government of President Assad of Syria: “ … must go”, and indeed advocating Britain’s funding of the insurgents. Whilst the Foreign Office funds go to the BBC World Service, an arm of the organization which plays a vital role: “Constitutionally, BBC World Service forms an integral part of the BBC Global News Division which also contains BBC World and the BBC's international-facing online news services.”(vii) Interesting to note is that the BBC also applied for funding from the US State Department, in a deal to combat censorship: “The funding is also expected to be used to educate people in countries with state censorship in how to circumnavigate the blocking of internet and TV services.” "Governments who have an interest in denying people information particularly at times of tension and upheaval are keen to do this and it is a particular problem now”, said BBC Controller of Business and Strategy, Jim Egan.(viii) The deal, was expected to be formally announced on International Press Freedom Day, on 3rd May. Seemingly though, funding the British state broadcaster met with some hostility in the US and the arrangement seems, currently, to have foundered. It has certainly gone very quiet. (ix) Ironically on June 30th, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov’s criticisms from the Geneva summit, about the Western media's news coverage of the situation in Syria, allegedly led the BBC to interrupt his speech with a weather forecast. “Lavrov’s press conference at the Geneva meeting on Saturday June 30 provided another chance for the BBC to show its bias against the Syrian government”, stated Press TV, the media outlet of one of the countries the State Department funding was meant to “liberate” from censorship – Iran. (x.). Notes i. http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-18650775 ii. http://latimesblogs....yrian-town.html iii. http://www.telegraph...n-massacre.html iv. http://www.globalres...xt=va&aid=30001 v. http://www.jfcnaples...ge52724739.aspx vi. http://www.fco.gov.u...sS&id=619823882 vii. http://www.bbc.co.uk...stitution.shtml viii. http://www.guardian....vice-us-funding ix. http://opennet.net/b...rican-criticism x. http://www.presstv.i...-lavrov-speech/ ################################################################### http://www.ozyism.co...-events-in.html "Athens, (SANA) - Member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Greece (KKE), Eliseos Vagenas, on Monday stressed the deliberate falsification by global mass media coverage of the events taking place in Syria, particularly by al-Jazeera TV Satellite Channel which works as a center for broadcasting false information about Syria." Source It seems the media is taking clips from other events, or from other time frames and using it as war propaganda against Syria. The same happened in Libya where they used clips showing Africans being beaten up, then claiming they are Mercenaries as if there is no black population in Libya, as if Libya is not in Africa. This is not journalism because non of these clips are confirmable, but still broad-casted in all major news organizations as truth. In a statement to the Greek newspaper Rizospastis, he said that the videos broadcast by al-Jazeera allegedly from Syria are actually taken from events in other countries. Source Another perspective from RT, an interview with Anhar Kuchniva, and he says: "AK: There’s a powerful misinformation swell going on. On April 1, the media reported a large anti-governmental rally in Damascus. I was in Damascus on that day. This rally never happened – I didn’t see it, and neither did the locals. On April 16, Reuters news agency wrote that 50,000 opponents of the regime took to the streets of Damascus, and that they had been dispersed with tear gas and batons. Damascus’ residents realize that such a rally could not take place in the city unnoticed. How many policemen would it take to disperse it? And how come nobody saw it except Reuters? Five hundred people in the streets of Damascus are a large crowd. Reuters broadcast their material around the world, including Russia. One source lies, and then this lie is like a snowball rolling downhill creating a fake reality, and picking up rumor and speculation. People in Syria watch the footage. What do they see? A picture allegedly from Yemen. A picture allegedly from Egypt. A picture allegedly from Syria. But the pictures all show people dressed in the same fashion. People in Syria can tell their fellow countrymen from their neighbors – both by their faces and their clothes. There are videos on the internet showing how amateur footage of the so-called riots is made. There's a parked car and nothing’s going on around. And there's a man standing next to it throwing rocks. And people around are taking pictures. There are a lot of staged videos. A Lebanese can tell the difference between footage taken in Lebanon and that taken in Damascus at a glance. And they show footage from Tripoli, or footage taken several years ago in Iraq, and say it is unrest in Syria. There are many online forums for women in Arab countries. Women share information following TV reports on ‘mass unrests’. Women write – what’s happening outside your window? And they reply: we looked down from the balcony, and didn’t see anything that the TV was talking about. Presently, a lot of young unarmed policemen get killed. The media propaganda immediately labels them as victims of the regime. I repeat, policemen are unarmed. The Syrian police are not too good with guns, because nothing like this has happened here for a long time. But the killed rookies are reported as either victims among the protestors, or as policemen who refused to shoot at their fellow countrymen, depending on the editors’ preference. Goebbels’ words seem to be true: the bigger the lie, the more easily they believe it." Gee the Greek Communist Party says all the evidence is fake, it must be true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) COLBY // Gee the Greek Communist Party says all the evidence is fake, it must be true! // END COLBY +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The Greek Communist Party a real and important avenue of democratic expression today. (( Gaal )) http://www.pslweb.or...eveals-new.html (( GAAL June/May election rounds GAAL )) The Coalition of the Radical Left (SYRIZA) came in a close second, garnering the support of 27 percent of voters. Although it was edged out by ND, this result represents a continuation of SYRIZA’s meteoric rise over the last few months. In May, it more than tripled its vote from the previous election—going from less than 5 percent to nearly 17 percent. Under the leadership of Alexis Tsipras, the coalition has rapidly become a central actor in Greek politics. o-o-o-o-o GEE I would take the Greek Communist Party seriously with some respect for the people of Greece do. Edited July 4, 2012 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 COLBY // Gee the Greek Communist Party says all the evidence is fake, it must be true! // END COLBY +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The Greek Communist Party a real and important avenue of democratic expression today. (( Gaal )) http://www.pslweb.or...eveals-new.html (( GAAL June/May election rounds GAAL )) The Coalition of the Radical Left (SYRIZA) came in a close second, garnering the support of 27 percent of voters. Although it was edged out by ND, this result represents a continuation of SYRIZA’s meteoric rise over the last few months. In May, it more than tripled its vote from the previous election—going from less than 5 percent to nearly 17 percent. Under the leadership of Alexis Tsipras, the coalition has rapidly become a central actor in Greek politics. o-o-o-o-o GEE I would take the Greek Communist Party seriously with some respect for the people of Greece do. So what the National Front came in 2nd in the 2002 presidential election in France would you accept undocumented claims about Syria on their website? In case you missed it the two major parties and some smaller ones in Greece want to impose sever austerity messures. A Greek wanting to resist such measures could vote for the Communist, a fascist party or a right-wing one. It not surprising about a quarter of Greek voters chose them this time round. All of this is largely irrelevant, what's relevant is that all you can cite are obscure sources who don't or only poorly document their claims. Army defectors speak out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFLf2kcFq8U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naz2QYHuTxA http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/02/syrian-military-defector-those-who-were-injected-are-lucky/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted July 5, 2012 Author Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Army defectors speak out: END COLBY Dont worry defector DOD budget big enough for PAYOFF. I dont worry, he will skulk cowardly from the rear action and then shamelessly push his way to lead his nation in a sham Democracy. ############ money flows here,money flows there.... http://www.nejatngo....st.aspx?ID=4587 The MKO defector continued pointing to the MKO’s role in riots in Syria;”A certain number of the MKO members in camp Ashraf and even in Liberty have access to computers, the Internet and telephone. They have been ordered to help riots in Syria by using the media.” ############ Iraq seeks help from UNSC to expel MKO - Worldnews.comarticle.wn.com/view/.../Iraq_seeks_help_from_UNSC_to_expel_MK...Cached You +1'd this publicly. Undo Apr 10, 2012 – Syria is going to be at the top of the agenda during an Arab League summit ... Riots in the mainly Kurdish city of Qamishli in 2004 were crushed by ...... for their role in the Al-Anfal Campaign against the Kurds on June 24, 2007. ==================== 'MKO planning major terror op. in Syria'www.chrisroubis.com/2012/.../mko-planning-major-terror-op-in-syri...Cached You +1'd this publicly. Undo The Syrian ambassador, for his part, called on the Habilian Association to provide the Syrian government with the documents on the MKO's role in the Syria ... ==================== MKO Terrorists Receive Funds from Saudi Arabia, Israel: MKO Defector http://www.sott.net/articles/show/245477-MKO-Terrorists-Receive-Funds-from-Saudi-Arabia-Israel-MKO-Defector Edited July 5, 2012 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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