israelnationalnews UPDATE FSA atrocities

[Steven Gaal]

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159386

EXPOSED: Egypt & Syria, Kidnappings & Death

Free Syrian Army Rebels shown to torture and violently murder its opponents

By Adina Emmett

First Publish: 8/29/2012, 12:00 AM

Shoebat Exposes Syrian Rebel Atrocities

Walid ShoebatIt has come to light that the Free Syrian Army rebels are not just the victims of

Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad's regime. They are also perpetrators of violent crimes,

torture and murders themselves.

Walid Shoebat, a former Islamic terrorist, has made it his mission to expose what is going on

in the Arab world by translating articles into English, and to bring photographs as well as

videos posted on Youtube and other media sites by Arabs who post in the Arabic language.

Most Westerners do not know Arabic and therefore are missing a wealth of information

posted on Arabic web sites.

Shoebat's son, Theodore Shoebat, has just compiled together a series of videos in a short

13-minute film entitled 'Bloodthirsty Syrian Rebels'. The video shows several scenes of

atrocities and crimes against humanity carried out by the Free Syrian Army on other Syrians.

Shoebat told Tamar Yonah that some of these clips in the video showing beheadings,

executions, and body defilement were taken from the cell phones of the Syrian rebels after

their capture by government forces. Often times, the bodies of the victims were tossed into

sewers, which Shoebat stated, were filled with excrement. The situation is intolerable for

people living in Syria, Egypt, or any other place where the Arab Spring has taken root.

Shoebat says that for the average person, they have two choices: "The Party line, or the

coffin - or in this case, the Party line or the sewer."

With the Obama Administration's more than tacit support of the Syrian Rebels, it is vital that

these atrocities of the Free Syrian Army be exposed. Shoebat's film, 'Bloodthirsty Syrian

Rebels', is extremely graphic and cannot be shown on most television media outlets.

According to Shoebat, after posting it on Youtube, it was subsequently removed. He has

since, only been able to host it on his website, but has released the film to Arutz Sheva.

WARNING: This video is extremely graphic.

[Len Colby]

Consider the source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walid_Shoebat

[Steven Gaal]

CONSIDER THE SOURCE

Arutz Sheva (Hebrew: ערוץ שבע‎) (Channel Seven)

is an Israeli media network identifying with Religious Zionism. It offers online news in English, Hebrew, French, Spanish and Russian. Arutz Sheva offers free podcasts, live streaming radio, a daily email news update, streaming video and 24 hour updated text news. The Israeli government has never granted it a license to broadcast, prompting[who?] charges of government discrimination against the Religious Zionist public. Arutz Sheva sees itself as "the only independent national radio station in Israel" and a counterbalance to "'negative thinking' and 'post-Zionist' attitudes."[4] Based in Beit El, an Israeli settlement in the West Bank, Arutz Sheva is regarded as the voice of the Israeli settlement movement.[5]

Departments

Israel National NewsIsrael National News is the written news website, directed by Rachel Sylvetsky. Hillel Fendel is the senior news editor and was long responsible for the site's popular daily e-mail. Other news editors include Hana Levi Julian, Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu, Ernie Singer, Gil Ronen, and others. The site includes news articles, news briefs, videos, op-eds, a Judaism section, an opinion poll, photos of Israel, a book review section, a caricature, and additional sections.

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We couldnt get a more RATIONAL PRO ISRAEL SOURCE

YOUR POSTING IS THEREFORE DISINGENUOUS.

Edited September 3, 2012 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

Arutz Sheva's cited source was Walid Shoebat and his son, he has serious credibility issues which is why I linked to the Wiki about him, ironic that you disparage the inteligence of others. As for the Israeli extremist station, they very definitely have an agenda and it seems not to be aligned with those of the rebels. Hilarious that you consider them highly 'rational', I imagine that doesn't apply to their stories that you disagree with.

[Steven Gaal]

• They know who they quoted. They think one bad Arab kills another bad Arab. As to extremist,yes, but they have some rationality. There are others that are in outer space IMHO as to land issues, example, Davidic Borders.BUT THEY GIVE SOME RESPECT TO ARAB SOURCES ,WHICH YOU SEEM DO NOT.
  
• Most Westerners do not know Arabic and therefore are missing a wealth of information
  posted on Arabic web sites.
  
• AND THEY KNOW NOT TO GENUFLECT TO MAIN STREAM SOURCES LIKE YOUTUBE
  Which you seem TO do.
  
• According to Shoebat, after posting it on Youtube, it was subsequently removed. He has
  since, only been able to host it on his website, but has released the film to Arutz Sheva.
  WARNING: This video is extremely graphic.
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• AND THEY GAVE SYMPATHY TO COPTIC CHRISTIANS(see link top story above quoted material) Which you seem to have very,very little.
  

Edited September 4, 2012 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

• 
  They know who they quoted. They think one bad Arab kills another bad Arab. As to extremist,yes, but they have some rationality. There are others that are in outer space IMHO as to land issues, example, Davidic Borders.BUT THEY GIVE SOME RESPECT TO ARAB SOURCES ,WHICH YOU SEEM DO NOT.
  

Yeah they "give some respect" to AN Arab source, namely one who is an Islamophobic Zionist zelot and BS artist.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/11/terrorism.expert/index.html

http://www.jpost.com/Features/Article.aspx?id=96502

And do you have any evidence for your accusation I have something against "Arab sources"? Or do you just make stuff up as you go along? Note That I have cited Ed Said on more than one occasion.

• 
  Most Westerners do not know Arabic and therefore are missing a wealth of information
  posted on Arabic web sites.
  
• 
  AND THEY KNOW NOT TO GENUFLECT TO MAIN STREAM SOURCES LIKE YOUTUBE
  Which you seem TO do.
  

According to your disinfo thread making personal attacks is a sign of a disinfo agent, citie Shoebat is a sign they will cite any source - no matter how lacking in credibility - if they support their agenda.

According to Shoebat, after posting it on Youtube, it was subsequently removed. He has since, only been able to host it on his website, but has released the film to Arutz Sheva.

WARNING: This video is extremely graphic.

Go ahead watch the video it doesn't prove much, a civil war generating violence is not a surprise.

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  AND THEY GAVE SYMPATHY TO COPTIC CHRISTIANS(see link top story above quoted material) Which you seem to have very,very little.
  

I've seen little evidence Coptic Christians are under any special threat, even after it was revealed that Copts living in the US were responsible for that offensive video, I've not heard of revenge attacks against their brethren in Egypt, you on the other hand seem to demonstrate more sympathy for Christians than members of other faiths.

[Steven Gaal]

And do you have any evidence for your accusation I have something against "Arab sources"? Or do you just make stuff up as you go along? Note That I have cited Ed Said on more than one occasion. //

END COLBY

THIS THREAD

Hidden US-Israeli Military Agenda: "Break Syria into Pieces" BALKANIZE SYRIA

----------------------------- FREE SYRIAN ARMY TERRORISTS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG1-XUaZ8QU&feature=player_detailpage

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Religious persecution & Geopolitics (focus Syria) (please see deep

background at

bottom)

see http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19388

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Syrian Christians Fight Off Rebels To Survive Persecution

By Theodore Shoebat on September 28, 2012 in General

From the Telegraph:

For the past six weeks up to 150 Christian and Armenian fighters have been fighting to prevent Free Syrian Army rebels from entering Christian heartland areas of Aleppo.

Last month the Syrian army claimed a ‘victory’ in removing FSA fighters from the historic Christian quarter of Jdeidah. But Christian militia fighters told the Daily Telegraph it was they who had first attacked the FSA there.

“The FSA were hiding in Farhat Square in Jdeideh. The Church committees stormed in and cleansed the area. Then the Syrian army joined us. They claimed the victory on State television,” said George, who like many Christian refugees is too scared to give his full name. “The rebels were threatening the churches.”

The area, defined by its boutique shops, narrow cobbled streets and the spires and cupolas of the Maronite, Orthodox and Armenian churches, had over the weeks become infiltrated with sniper positions and checkpoints, residents said.

“FSA snipers were on the rooftops and they were attacking the Maronite church and Armenian residents there,” said a former clergyman calling himself John, now in Beirut, who said he had witnessed the battle.

The battle for Aleppo has become bitter, with militant jihadist groups playing a more prominent role than in any other city.

It has become increasingly scarred by accusations of atrocities on both sides, most recently the mass killing of 20 regime troops, whose bodies were displayed on a video apparently uploaded to the internet by a rebel militia.

Residents of the city told The Telegraph that the city’s minorities feared that they would suffer the same fate as Christians in Iraq, who were heavily targeted by the sectarian violence that erupted after the 2003 war.

“They are shouting ‘the Alawites to the graves and the Christians to Beirut,” said an Armenian mother of four who recently fled the city – a claim also made by several other Christian refugees.

John said that contrary to reports Aleppo’s minority groups and wealthy residents were not all regime supporters. But he said they felt they had to protect themselves from ‘peasant immigrants’ who were using the war to destroy the city’s sophisticated heart.

“I am not in support of the government, but the FSA are all a bunch of thugs and thieves. I watched them steal from a textile factory – they took everything; gas, materials, even the beading machines!”

Increasingly on the offensive, Syrian rebels killed at least 18 soldiers in a car bomb and ground attack on a military position in neighbouring Idlib province, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

In Aleppo on Wednesday four Syrian Armenians were reported killed and 13 wounded in an ambush near the airport.

The new UN envoy Lakhdar Brahimi is to meet Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in Damascus on Thursday, in a last-ditch effort to rescue the country from civil war.

Any military intervention looked to be firmly off limits on Wednesday. Philip Hammond, the defence secretary, made clear that Western countries would not consider such action whilst Russia and China continued to oppose it.

Seeing little hope of change many Christians have already joined the hundreds of thousands who have fled the country. The UN High Commission for Refugees said 253,000 Syrians were now registered with them.

Many Christians say they hold little hope of returning.

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[Len Colby]

Some key excerpts from the article above

"Last month the Syrian army claimed a ‘victory’ in removing FSA fighters from the historic Christian quarter of Jdeidah. But Christian militia fighters told the Daily Telegraph it was they who had first attacked the FSA there."

"The battle for Aleppo has become bitter, with militant jihadist groups playing a more prominent role than in any other city. It has become increasingly scarred by accusations of atrocities on both sides..."

[Steven Gaal]

ASSAD IS NOT ATTACKING CHRISTIANS,BUT YOUR (the people who you fight for tooth and nail for) CIA backed FSA.

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“Living as a Christian in the Hell of Aleppo”: Besieged by Syrian “Opposition” Rebels. Testimony of a Priest

Some groups in the rugged opposition, where there are also jihadist groups, "fire on Christian houses and buildings, to force occupants to escape and then take possession "

By Agenzia Fides (Vatican News)

Global Research, October 19, 2012

Agenzia Fides. Vatican News

Christians in Aleppo are victims of death and destruction due to the fighting which for months, has been affecting the city. The Christian neighborhoods, in recent times, have been hit by rebel forces fighting against the regular army and this has caused an exodus of civilians. This is what a Greek catholic priest in Aleppo says in a heartfelt message sent to Fides, and Fides prefers to guarantee anonymity for security reasons.

The message, titled “Living as a Christian in the hell of Aleppo,” explains: “For a long time the Christians of Aleppo have been living in neighborhoods close to each other: Sulaymaniyah, Aziziyah, Villas, Telefon Hawaii, Al Jabiriyah, Al Maydan, Al Surian , Al Tilal.

These areas are currently under the control of the regular Syrian army, while neighboring areas are occupied by the opposition army. That is why our neighborhoods are daily objects of bombings and shootings by snipers among the rebels.

The bombings are sometimes blind, without a purpose, and this causes severe damage to homes, or innocent victims such as bystanders.” The priest gave Fides the lists of the latest victims in the community:

“Our latest martyrs are Fadi Samir Haddad, Elias Abdel Nour, Nichan Vartanian, Vartan Karbedjian, Maria Fahmeh and the young Joëlle Fahmeh, all innocent victims.” He then goes on to explianing the damage to the structures: “the greek catholic Archbishopric in Tilal was severly damaged, injuring Fr.Imad Daher. The church of San Michele Arcangelo and an important monastery of nuns in Aziziyya were also damaged; a pastoral building of the greek-catholic community, called “The Hope” was hit, killing three people and causing dozens of casualties among the civilian population “.

Even the convent of the Franciscan fathers in Sulaymaniyah was hit.

Meanwhile, the text continues, “bombs continue to fall on the area of Almidan, of Armenian majority, launched by armed opposition groups which is located in Bustan el-Bacha: they have killed several people, injured so many and destroyed many houses “. Some groups in the rugged opposition, where there are also jiahadisti groups, “fire on Christian houses and buildings, to force occupants to escape and then take possession ” the text concludes.

Articles by: Agenzia Fides (Vatican News)

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Edited October 19, 2012 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

ASSAD IS NOT ATTACKING CHRISTIANS,BUT YOUR (the people who you fight for tooth and nail for) CIA backed FSA.

But he is killing Sunnis, somehow their lives don't seem to concern you.

That said the apparent growing role of Jihadists is distressing. Romney and Robert Baer said the US should take a more active role in the Civil War to aid the less radical elements. perhaps they're right.

[Steven Gaal]

Who wrote Path to Persia ?? Were are the arthors from ??

Its silly to think that the elites dont control foreign policy with little imput from POTUS.

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/05/syrian-war-prequel.html

Thursday, October 18, 2012

Implosion of Syria Myths a 'Nervous Breakdown' for US, Allies

Daniel McAdams

<a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/123392.html" target="_blank">lewrockwell.com

October 18, 2012

The New York Times has finally reported what many watching the Syria insurgency have noticed all along: US-facilitated weapons shipments are ending up in the hands of radical jihadists. Of course while getting those facts right, the NYT, blinded as it is by ideology, gets the conclusion wrong. The Times has for some time been pushing the line that the US must act fast militarily in Syria lest the mythical “people’s uprising” be hikacked by radicals. In short, they have been — surprise — distorting facts to propagandize for war. The NYT line is that US “inaction” on Syria is leading to the radicalization of the rebels. Earlier this month the Times reported/opined that:

“Many Saudi and Qatari officials now fear that the fighting in Syria is awakening deep sectarian animosities and, barring such intervention, could turn into an uncontrollable popular jihad with consequences far more threatening to Arab governments than the Afghan war of the 1980s.”

Now we get the news from the Times that:

“‘The opposition groups that are receiving the most of the lethal aid are exactly the ones we don’t want to have it,’ said one American official familiar with the outlines of those findings, commenting on an operation that in American eyes has increasingly gone awry.”

Then the Times pushes its propagandistic conclusion to color the facts according to its own ideology:

“That conclusion, of which President Obama and other senior officials are aware from classified assessments…casts into

doubt whether the White House’s strategy of minimal and indirect intervention in the Syrian conflict is accomplishing its intended purpose

of helping a democratic-minded opposition topple an oppressive government, or is instead sowing the seeds of future insurgencies hostile to the United States.” (emphasis added)

Ah yes, the fault is all with the “minimal and indirect” intervention of the US in the conflict. Surely a Libya-type operation would already be reaping US foreign policy the same kinds of rewards we are getting in Libya!

So what is the truth? The truth is hard to swallow for the propagandizing media and the propagandized public: Assad was telling the truth when he told Barbara Walters in an interview earlier this year:

“Not everybody in the street was fighting for freedom. You have different components, you have extremists, religious extremists…like-minded people of Al Qaeda… [F]rom the very first few weeks we had those terrorists they are getting more and more aggressive, they have been killing. We have 1,000– over 1,100 soldiers and policeman killed, who killed them? peaceful demonstrators? This is not logical.”

Of course no one wanted to listen to him because he, like Saddam, Milosevic, Gaddafi, etc before him, had been branded a “madman” in the media. Who could listen to a madman? Who could possibly negotiate with a madman? They only understand one thing, force. We have all heard this interventionist neo-con garbage for decades but for some reason it still seems to work.

Likewise, Mother Agnes Miriam of the Cross, a Melkite Greek Catholic nun, was telling the truth earlier this summer when she told the Irish Times that the rebels were targeting Christians in Syria. She continued:

“The West and Gulf states must not give finance to armed insurrectionists who are sectarian terrorists, most of whom are from al-Qaeda, according to a report presented to the German parliament. … They bring terror, destruction, fear and nobody protects the civilians. [There were] very few Syrians among the rebels. …Mercenaries should go home.”

The reason that the weapons being funneled to the Syrian rebels are ending up in the hands of radical Islamists is because the rebels are radical Islamists. The founder of Doctors Without Borders noticed it after working with the wounded in Syria. German intelligence noticed it after an investigation suggested that up to 95 percent of the Syrian rebels are not Syrian.

It is a myth that the initial peaceful protests only turned violent reluctantly after they were met with force by the regime. In fact we see plans early on to turn events in Syria toward regime change. We saw it early in the 1996 US neo-conservative “Clean Break” study for then-Prime Minister Netanyahu, which urged him to “contain, destabilize, and roll-back” Syria and other countries in the region. We saw it more recently in numerous influential think tank studies like that of Brookings’ Saban Center’s oft-cited report early this year tellingly titled, “Saving Syria: Assessing Options for Regime Change.” Like the authors of the “Clean Break” paper, the Saban Center is heavily neo-conservative and pro-Likud.

In conclusion, here is the really bad news: As the US Syria policy falls apart, there is increasing danger that the built up tension in the region — particularly the disastrous decision of the Turkish government to support the rebels in Syria — is leading to a wider conflict that threatens to spin out of control. Turkey and Armenia are at each others throats, Armenia and Azerbaijan are preparing for war, Iraq warily watches chaos on its borders, Russia is installing its next-generation S-400 anti-aircraft missiles in its southern military region near Turkey, and so on. Backed into a corner by a failed policy, the US as usual is doubling down on a bad bet, feeding Turkey bogus intelligence about chemical arms shipments aboard Syrian passenger planes carrying Russian passengers, etc. Rebel mortars lobbed into Turkey give a desperate Erdogan government the pretext it needs to establish a buffer zone in Syria and hope for NATO reinforcements, which are not coming. French observer Thierry Meyssan writes that “Turkey [is] on the verge of a nervous breakdown” after NATO “packs it in” on Syria.

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Editor's Note: The above referenced document, "Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," can be found here. Additional information regarding the premeditated, US-engineered violence in Syria can be found here, "Syrian War: The Prequel."

[Len Colby]

Who wrote Path to Persia ?? Were are the arthors from ??

Its silly to think that the elites dont control foreign policy with little imput from POTUS.

Tell us in your own words why that report is relevant to this discussion.

[Steven Gaal]

So what is the truth? The truth is hard to swallow for the propagandizing media and the propagandized public: Assad was telling the truth when he told Barbara Walters in an interview earlier this year:

“Not everybody in the street was fighting for freedom. You have different components, you have extremists, religious extremists…like-minded people of Al Qaeda… [F]rom the very first few weeks we had those terrorists they are getting more and more aggressive, they have been killing. We have 1,000– over 1,100 soldiers and policeman killed, who killed them? peaceful demonstrators? This is not logical.”

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GEE EXTREMIST FIGHTERS DONT FOLLOW THE RULES OF WAR

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DIDNT YOU SEE THE WORDS EXTREMISTS ??? THEY COMMIT ATROCITES .......GEE LETS LOOK AT THREAD TITLE,.

FSA atrocities.

OK EXTREMIST COMMIT ATROCITES ,FSA FULL OF EXTEMISTS. Id have to find it ,already posted, GERMAN intell says 85% of anti Assad people are foreigners.........extremists who are not indeginous freedom fighters........

[Len Colby]

Who wrote Path to Persia ?? Were are the arthors from ??

Its silly to think that the elites dont control foreign policy with little imput from POTUS.

Tell us in your own words why that report is relevant to this discussion.

Unanswered question reposted

already posted, GERMAN intell says 85% of anti Assad people are foreigners

So says the IRIB a part of the Iranian government, get back to us with independent confirmation.

Edited October 20, 2012 by Len Colby

[Steven Gaal]