R.R. Carr

[John Dolva]

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Jesse C. Price of Dallas, a post Office building engineer in hat and overalls, was on the roof of the Post office on the north east corner of the building.

Richard Randolph Carr, a steelworker on the partially built court house east of Price across houston street, was on the fifth, sixth or seventh floor of this building.

This places Carr on about the same level as Price. Carrs witness statement describes seeing a man wearing a tan coat and horn rimmed glasses on the fifth or sixth floor of the TSBD building. As can be seen from the image with insets this view was very restricted if not impossible. As he was at least 300+ feet away from the TSBD building he would have to have been using oculars to see such details.

"Richard Randolph Carr stated to the FBI on January 4, 1964, that he saw a man looking out of a window on the top floor of the depository a few minutes before Carr heard shots.(99) He described the man as white, wearing a hat, tan sport coat and glasses.(100) He said that at the time of the motorcade, he was standing on about the sixth floor of the new courthouse which was under construction at Houston and Commerce Streets.(101) Carr said that from that spot he could only see the top floor and roof of the depository building.(102) It was from that location that he observed the man in the depository window.(103) Carr said that after the shots he was going toward the direction of the triple underpass; when he got to the intersection of Houston and Commerce Streets, he saw a man whom he believed to be the same individual he had seen in the window of the depository.(104)

"(35) Carr was not called to testify before the Warren Commission. He did testify on February 19, 1969 in the Parish County Criminal District Court in New Orleans in State of Louisiana v. Clay L. Shaw, a case involving charges of conspiring to assassinate President Kennedy. According to the transcript of his testimony, Carr stated that he saw the man in the fifth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository.(105) He said he later saw the man going down Houston Street; turning at Commerce Street.(106) Carr also described the hat worn by the man as felt and said his glasses were heavy-rimmed with heavy ear pieces.(107) He had on a tie and a tan sport coat.(108) [*PAGE 9 FOLLOWS*] As the man ran, he was continually looking over his shoulder as though he was being followed.(109)

(36) During his testimony at the Clay Shaw trial, Carr also reported seeing men in Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination who were not mentioned in the report of his FBI interview in January 1964. Carr was asked during the Shaw trial if he noticed any movement after the shots which seemed "unusual."(110) Carr then said that he saw a Rambler station wagon with a rack on top parked on the wrong side of the street, heading north and facing in the direction of the railroad tracks, next to the depository.(111)

(37) Carr said that immediately after the shots he saw three men emerge from behind the depository and enter the station wagon.(112) He gave a description of one of them: he was "real dark-complected" and appeared to be Spanish or Cuban; he drove the car away, going north on Houston Street.(113)

(38) During the Shaw trial testimony, Carr said he had reported this information to law enforcement officers and that someone had told him not to repeat this information.(114) At that point, defense counsel objected to hearsay by carr, and no further details were elicited about the reported coercion of Carr, other than his statement that he did what the FBI told him to do, "I shut my mouth."(115)

(39) Committee investigators did not locate Richard Carr to discuss this information with him."

Anyway, despite some discrepancies and conflicts. Carr's testimonie/s are regarded as being supportive of Richard Craig.

Both Richard and Carr suffered attempts on their lives. I'm not aware of attempts on Price. A difference between Price and Carr is that Carr was not called on to testify to the WC.

I don't know what to make of these testimonies but am starting this thread for future references, Any additional info, links etc appreciated.

Does anyone have a confirmation on the photo of Carr being from around 63?

[James Richards]

Hi John,

This clipping came from February of 1969. Some interesting bits for sure.

FWIW.

James

[John Dolva]

Hi Richard. In some ways Carrs testinony is curious as he (as well as Price and Harry Holmes) were in pretty good positions to observe the assassination. Possibly Carr more so as his view was almost exactly side on and the Limousine had reached an area where no witnesses obscured the view. His pre and post shot descriptions are quite detailed, however, there seem to be little actual descriptions of the moment of the headshot.

[John Dolva]

These three witnesses.

HD Holmes: no photo (there is one apparently in the newly published Ian Griggs book, but it hasn't been scanned and posted yet as far as I know) 58 yo, postal Inspector, FBI informant, pally with DPD.

Fifth floor office south east corner Poastal Annex. Describes headshot vividly, sees no Knoll activity.

Price : photo, 62 yo, Building engineer, post office.

Roof of postal annexe above Harry's office, saw Knoll activity.

Carr : photo (not sure of date) age? (was soldier in second world war) Steel worker,

6th (?) floor partially built building next to post office. Did not testify in WC, testified in Shaw trial. Death threats and attempts. Not found by the time of HSCA. Saw a lot of pre post activity of interest.

Another witness of interest (Fay Leon Blunt) that seems to have disappeared, may have been recounting other witness statements re fifth floor jail, focusses on post office roof)

EDIT:: the following seems to be the total of Carrs testimonies. He reposrts seeing grass kicked up by a bullet strike which is rather remarkable at 100+ meters. (One version of his bio records attempts on his life including where he survives by killing one of his attackers.)

+Other witness statement from that side of things.

http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/JA/DR/.dr13.html :

"John Powell was an inmate on the sixth floor of the Dallas County Jail in

Dealey Plaza, across the street to the southwest of the Book Depository,

at 12:30 pm on November 22, 1963. He and a number of other sixth floor

inmates watched two men in the southeast sixth floor TSBD window, one of

whom fired a rifle at President Kennedy. Powell could see the men clearly

enough to notice them "fooling with the scope" on the rifle; one had a

darker complexion than the other. Until the shooting began, Powell was

under the impression that the men were security guards. Powell's story

was available to the Warren Commission, as was his statement that a

number of other inmates could confirm it. Neither Powell nor anyone else

from the Dallas County Jail was called to testify before the Warren

Commission."

"Richard Randolph Carr, a steelworker watching the motorcade from the

seventh floor of the courthouse across the street from the Book

Depository, saw a heavy-set man wearing a hat, a tan sport coat, and

horn-rimmed glasses looking out of a window on an upper floor of the Book

Depository. This is the same man Carolyn Walther saw wearing a brown

sport jacket on the sixth floor of the TSBD. Soon after the

assassination, Carr saw the man hurrying south from the Book Depository

on Houston Street, then east on Commerce, where he got into a Nash

Rambler station wagon with a luggage rack on top and Texas license

plates, parked on the corner of Commerce and Record. A dark-complected

man was waiting for him in the driver's seat of the Rambler. The man in

the brown sports jacket got in the passenger side, and the Rambler headed

north on Houston. The FBI interviewed Carr on January 4, 1964. The

Warren Commission did not call him as a witness nor mention him in any of

their published evidence."

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http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca...DealeyPlaza.pdf

pp 8, 9, 22, 27 : (scanned

"III. ACCOUNTS OF PERSONS FLEEING FROM THE TEXAS SCHOOL BOOK

DEPOSITORY

(34)

Richard Randolph Carr stated to the FBI on January 4, 1964,

that he saw a man looking out of a window on the top floor of the

depository a few minutes before Carr heard shots. (99) He described

the man as white, wearing a hat, tan sportcoat and glasses. (100)

He said that at the time of the motorcade, he was standing on about

the, sixth floor of the new courthouse which was under construction

at Houston and Commerce Streets. (101) Carr said that from that

spot he could only see the top floor and roof of the depository building.

(102) It was from that location that he observed the man in the

depository window. (103) Carr said that after the shots he was going

toward the direction of the triple underpass ; when he got to the

intersection of Houston and Commerce Streets, he saw a man whom

he believed to be the same individual he had seen in the window of

the depository .

(35)

Carr was not called to testify before the Warren Commission.

He did testify on February 19, 1969, in the Parish County Criminal

District Court in New Orleans in State of Louisiana v. Clay L. Shaw,

a case involving charges of conspiring to assassinate President Kennedy.

According to the transcript of his testimony, Carr stated that

he saw the man in the fifth floor window of the Texas School Book

Depository . (105) He said he later saw the man going down Houston

Street ; turning at Commerce Street .(106) Carr also described the

hat. worn by the man as felt and said his glasses were heavy-rimmed

with heavy ear pieces. (107) He had on a tie and a tan sportcoat. (108)

As the man ran, he was continually looking over his shoulder as though

he was being followed. (109)

(36)

During his testimony at the Clay Shaw trial, Carr also reported

seeing men in Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination who were

not mentioned in the report of his FBI interview in January 1964.

Carr was asked during the Shaw trial if he noticed any movement after

the shots which seemed "unusual ." (110) Carr then said that he saw

a Rambler station wagon with a rack on top parked on the wrong side

of the street, heading north and facing in the direction of the railroad

tracks, next to the depository. (111)

(37)

Carr said that immediately after the shots he saw three men

emerge from behind the depository and enter the station wagon. (112)

He gave a description of one of them : he was "real dark-complected"

and appeared to be Spanish or Cuban ; he drove the car away, going

north on Houston Street . (113)

(38)

During the Shaw trial testimony, Carr said he had reported

this information to law enforcement officers and that someone had

told him not to repeat this information. (11.x) At that point, defense

counsel objected to hearsay by Carr, and no further details were elicited

about the reported coercion of Carr, other than his statement

that he did what the FBI told him to do, "I shut my mouth." (115)

(39)

Committee investigators did not locate Richard Carr to discuss

this information with him.

(

(120)

When Richard Randolph Carr testified in the Kennedy assassination

conspiracy trial of Clay Shaw in New Orleans on February

19, 1969, he=that heard a shot and then three more shots in

succession at the time of the assassination. (341) When asked if he

could tell where the shots came from, Carr replied that "the last

three" came from behind the picket fence located at the top of the

grassy knoll, and that one of the shots "knocked a bunch of grass up" ;

he could tell by the way the grass was "knocked up" that the bullet

came from that area. (W) Trying further to pin down the supposed

location of the shots he heard, Carr stated that the sound came from

the end of the cement arcade at the top of the knoll which was closest

to the underpass. (31,3) When asked if he could determine from the

direction in which the bullet hit the ground which direction it was

traveling in, Carr said that if the bullet had continued, it would have

gone from the area of the picket fence in the direction of the Criminal

Courts building. (34.4)

(99) FBI interview of Richard Randolph Carr by SA John T. Kesler and Vernon

Mitchem, FBI report, Jan. 14,1964, file no. DL 100-10461."

Edited November 21, 2005 by John Dolva

[John Dolva]

Carrs description of where the shots came from are quite specific and in the testimony refers to maps etc that are marked. I can't find these maps. Is it known if they are available?

R.R. Carr:

Clay Shaw trial testimony:

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/garr...l/pdf/Feb19.pdf

Biography:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcarrR.htm

(Ranger history

http://www.ranger.org/rangerHistoryWorldWarIIBattalions.html

The name RANGER was selected by General Truscott "because the name Commandos rightfully belonged to the British, and we sought a name more typically American. It was therefore fit that the organization that was destined to be the first of the American Ground Forces to battle Germans on the European continent should be called Rangers in compliment to those in American history who exemplified the high standards of courage, initiative, determination and ruggedness, fighting ability and achievement."

The Fifth Ranger Battalion activated September 1, 1943 at Camp Forrest,(Tennesee) commanded by Lt. Colonel Max Schneider, former exec officer of the 4th Ranger Battalion, was part of the provisional Ranger Assault Force commanded by Colonel Rudder.

During the terrible fighting at Anzio and at the town of Cisterna di Littoria, the Fourth Ranger Battalion was literally cut to pieces while trying to hold the line against a vastly superior number of Germans. Members of the fifth were used as replacements.)

[John Dolva]

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