At the risk of starting a controversial thread...

[Jack White]

...I'd like to ask WHO ARE THESE PERSONS and WHAT ARE THEY DOING?

Jack :-)

[Jack White]

...I'd like to ask WHO ARE THESE PERSONS and WHAT ARE THEY DOING?

Jack :-)

The usual debunkers seem afraid to address this. I wonder why?

It seems pretty simple for anyone above 6th grade math. The

pedestal is 50 inches tall. You do the math.

I wonder whether they will claim perspective or parallax causes

odd measurements.

I'm waiting.

Jack

[Jack White]

...I'd like to ask WHO ARE THESE PERSONS and WHAT ARE THEY DOING?

Jack :-)

The usual debunkers seem afraid to address this. I wonder why?

It seems pretty simple for anyone above 6th grade math. The

pedestal is 50 inches tall. You do the math.

I wonder whether they will claim perspective or parallax causes

odd measurements.

I'm waiting.

Jack

It was such a good vantage point you'd think they would have brought

a camera. Probably left it at home.

Jack

[Jack White]

My original question still applies: who are these people and what are they doing here?

Show me ANY concrete evidence of their identity.

Show me how a woman in heels land tight skirt can get on a 50-inch pedestal and retain her modesty.

Show me a man with a movie camera in his hand.

Except for their testimony, how can we identify Zapruder and Sitzman?

Sitzman in the Z film has a long skirt; in Betzner her skirt is at the knees, with frilly trim.

Not the same person.

Jack

[Bill Miller]

Jack, the reason why no one is responding to your last three threads can be found in the story below ....

The outlook wasn't brilliant for the Mudville nine that day;

The score stood four to two with but one inning more to play.

And then when Cooney died at first, and Barrows did the same,

A sickly silence fell upon the patrons of the game.

A straggling few got up to go in deep despair. The rest

Clung to that hope which springs eternal in the human breast;

They thought if only Casey could but get a whack at that --

We'd put up even money now with Casey at the bat.

But Flynn preceded Casey, as did also Jimmy Blake.

And the former was a lulu and the latter was a cake;

So upon that stricken multitude grim melancholy sat.

For there seemed but little chance of Casey's getting to the bat.

But Flynn let drive a single, to the wonderment of all,

And Blake, the much despised, tore the cover off the ball;

And when the dust had lifted, and the men saw what had occurred,

There was Johnnie safe at second and Flynn a-hugging third.

Then from 5,000 throats and more there rose a lusty yell;

It rumbled through the valley, it rattled in the dell;

It knocked upon the mountain and recoiled upon the flat,

For Casey, mighty Casey, was advancing to the bat.

There was ease in Casey's manner as he stepped into his place,

There was pride in Casey's bearing and a smile on Casey's face.

And when, responding to the cheers, he lightly doffed his hat,

No stranger in the crowd could doubt 'twas Casey at the bat.

Ten thousand eyes were on him as he rubbed his hands with dirt;

Five thousand tongues applauded when he wiped them on his shirt.

Then while the writhing pitcher ground the ball into his hip,

Defiance gleamed in Casey's eye, a sneer curled Casey's lip.

And now the leather-covered sphere came hurtling through the air,

And Casey stood a-watching it in haughty grandeur there.

Close by the sturdy batsman the ball unheeded sped --

"That ain't my style," said Casey. "Strike one," the umpire said.

From the benches, bleak with people, there went up a muffled roar,

Like the beating of the storm waves on a worn and distant shore.

"Kill him! Kill the umpire!" shouted someone in the stands,

And it's likely they'd have killed him had not Casey raised his hand.

With a smile of Christian charity great Casey's visage shone;

He stilled the rising tumult; he bade the game go on;

He signaled to the pitcher and once more the spheroid flew;

But Casey still ignored it and the umpire said, "Strike two."

"Fraud!" cried the maddened thousands, and the echo answered fraud;

But one scornful look from Casey and the audience was awed.

They saw his face grow stern and cold, they saw his muscles strain,

And they knew that Casey wouldn't let that ball go by again.

The sneer is gone from Casey's lip, his teeth are clinched in hate;

He pounds with cruel violence his bat upon the plate.

And now the pitcher holds the ball and now he lets it go,

And now the air is shattered by the force of Casey's blow.

Oh! somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;

The band is playing somewhere and somewhere hearts are light,

And somewhere men are laughing and somewhere children shout;

But there is no joy in Mudville -- mighty Casey has struck out.

Edited March 6, 2008 by Bill Miller

[Jack White]

Keep it up, "Miller"...you look MORE ABSURD with every posting

which fails to address the topic. Attacks on me are not research.

You are a laughing stock.

Jack

[Bill Miller]

Keep it up, "Miller"...you look MORE ABSURD with every posting

which fails to address the topic. Attacks on me are not research.

You are a laughing stock.

Jack

Yes Jack ... you don't recognize Zapruder and Sitzman on the pedestal in the Willis photo and I look absurd. (eyes rolling). Didn't you say in the Hoax book that Zapruder and Sitzman were waltzing on the pedestal ... I believe you did, so now you don't have a clue as to who they are. I think its time to call 911!

[Thomas Graves]

...I'd like to ask WHO ARE THESE PERSONS and WHAT ARE THEY DOING?

Jack :-)

The usual debunkers seem afraid to address this. I wonder why?

It seems pretty simple for anyone above 6th grade math. The

pedestal is 50 inches tall. You do the math.

I wonder whether they will claim perspective or parallax causes

odd measurements.

I'm waiting.

Jack

It was such a good vantage point you'd think they would have brought

a camera. Probably left it at home.

Jack

____________________________________

Jack,

Are there any photos or films that were taken during the assassination that you think were not altered?

--Thomas

____________________________________

Edited March 6, 2008 by Thomas Graves

[Jack White]

...I'd like to ask WHO ARE THESE PERSONS and WHAT ARE THEY DOING?

Jack :-)

The usual debunkers seem afraid to address this. I wonder why?

It seems pretty simple for anyone above 6th grade math. The

pedestal is 50 inches tall. You do the math.

I wonder whether they will claim perspective or parallax causes

odd measurements.

I'm waiting.

Jack

It was such a good vantage point you'd think they would have brought

a camera. Probably left it at home.

Jack

____________________________________

Jack,

Are there any photos or films that were taken during the assassination that you think were not altered?

--Thomas

____________________________________

Yes. But most of them are NOT SIGNIFICANT. I only talk about those that

were altered. Many of the photos show nothing of significance.

I used to think that Moorman and Altgens 6 were genuine, but now believe

otherwise. Parts of many films are genuine, with only partial alterations.

I used to think Wiegman was genuine, but now think parts may altered.

Those images that were published IMMEDIATELY have the best chance

of not being altered. Remember, there was an FBI dragnet which obtained

ALL FILMS except "Zapruder" and kept them for long periods of time. The

only images published quickly were Moorman (cropped) and Altgens 6

(highly retouched).

The proof of alteration is within the images or comparison with other

images.

Jack

[Jack White]

Keep it up, "Miller"...you look MORE ABSURD with every posting

which fails to address the topic. Attacks on me are not research.

You are a laughing stock.

Jack

Yes Jack ... you don't recognize Zapruder and Sitzman on the pedestal in the Willis photo and I look absurd. (eyes rolling). Didn't you say in the Hoax book that Zapruder and Sitzman were waltzing on the pedestal ... I believe you did, so now you don't have a clue as to who they are. I think its time to call 911!

Thanks for mentioning the ZAPRUDER WALTZ. Here it is. And I would call 911 for YOU, but

that would be off topic.

The Waltz...featuring "Zapruder" and "Sitzman" for "Miller".

Jack

[Bill Miller]

I used to think that Moorman and Altgens 6 were genuine, but now believe

otherwise. Parts of many films are genuine, with only partial alterations.

Jack thought those pictures were genuine until it was pointed out that information contained within each debunked his nutty alteration claims. Jack (Mr. Arrogant) will still tell you that no one was on the pedestal and ignore that Moorman's photo, while still on her person, was filmed for TV not 35 minutes after the assassination and showing two people on the pedestal. So rather than to admit that he screwed-up, Jack ignores what he needs to so to push a false claim.

The same thing happened to Altgens #6 when it was pointed out that Hill and Moorman's shadows are seen coming from the grass at a time Jack says they were standing in the street. Jack goes as far as to ignore Jean Hill who said on Black Op Radio that she had gotten back out of the street "BEFRE" the first shot was ever fired. I guess that Jean Hill must have sold out ... or maybe Jack thinks Jean's memory was altered so not to agree with Jack's fallacy.

So in other words, if Jack makes a claim and the photographic record doesn't support his conclusion, then the film must have been altered. I'd be willing to bet that if Jack was told that his shoes were on the wrong feet ... he would say that they weren't because someone surgically switch his feet around during his sleep, thus he has it right!

Edited March 6, 2008 by Bill Miller