Buying the Money Order

[David Von Pein]

If you have EVIDENCE that Oswald didn't work the hours attributed to him at Jaggars on March 12, 1963, please post it.

Okay:

MEL EISENBERG. Did you compare Exhibit No. 788 with the standards to determine whether Exhibit No. 788 had been written by Lee Harvey Oswald?

JAMES CADIGAN. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. What was your conclusion?

Mr. CADIGAN. That the postal money order, Cadigan Exhibit No. 11, had been prepared by Lee Harvey Oswald.

Mr. EISENBERG. The postal money order is Commission Exhibit No. 788 and your picture is Cadigan Exhibit No. 11, is that correct?

Mr. CADIGAN. That is correct.

[David Von Pein]

Gil, can you confirm that the U.S. Post Office buildings in Dallas, Texas, did not open for business prior to 8:00 AM CST on Tuesday morning, March 12, 1963 (which was exactly 48 years ago today, btw)?

I'm not saying that the post office WAS open that early (before 8:00 AM), but I'm just wondering if anyone has any personal (provable) knowledge of what the post office hours were in Dallas in March '63.

FWIW -- I looked online and found at least one Dallas post office that currently opens for regular business at 7:30 AM. Of course, this doesn't prove that any post office would have opened that early in 1963. But at least I found a Dallas P.O. that is open prior to 8:00 AM. Linked here:

http://www.hoursmap.com/b/post-office---robert-e-price-hours-dallas-tx-75230-b10011645

According to John Armstrong, the post office in Dallas where Oswald purchased his money order opened at 8:00 AM on 3/12/63. If somebody has Armstrong's book handy, could they please look up the source note for this "8:00 AM" information regarding the post office? Thank you.

Quoting Armstrong (via a post made online by Jack White on August 26, 2005):

"On March 12, at 10:30 am, Oswald was working at Jaggers-Chiles-Stoval [sic]. According to JCS records, he began work on his first camera job at 8:00 am (the same time the post office opened) which lasted 20 minutes."

Edited March 12, 2011 by David Von Pein

[Gil Jesus]

If Oswald showed up right at the front door of the post office at eight--he then still had to walk for miles to drop the envelope in postal zone 12.

Von Pein will probably argue that a bus stood there at the Post Office waiting for him.

Edited March 13, 2011 by Gil Jesus

[Gil Jesus]

MEL EISENBERG. Did you compare Exhibit No. 788 with the standards to determine whether Exhibit No. 788 had been written by Lee Harvey Oswald?

JAMES CADIGAN. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. What was your conclusion?

Mr. CADIGAN. That the postal money order, Cadigan Exhibit No. 11, had been prepared by Lee Harvey Oswald.

Mr. EISENBERG. The postal money order is Commission Exhibit No. 788 and your picture is Cadigan Exhibit No. 11, is that correct?

Mr. CADIGAN. That is correct.

Notice that Cadigan was careful to say that CADIGAN 11 had been prepared by LHO and NOT CE 788.

The reason he said it that way is because Cadigan never compared the ORIGINAL, CE 788, to Oswald's handwriting. He compared a PHOTOGRAPH allegedly of CE 788, which was Cadigan 11.

In fact, ALL of the Commission's handwriting examinations, by BOTH Cadigan and Cole were made of PHOTOGRAPHS of the original exhibits, not the exhibits themselves. In addition, since each handwriting expert was not trained in photographic processing, the photographs they examined were not made by the examiners themselves, but rather "under their supervision".

Meaning someone else.

And because someone else was involved in the "creation" of this evidence, the person or persons responsible for that creation also created a chain of custody of the evidence.

Unfortunately, the chain of custody of those photos was never ESTABLISHED because those "under their supervision" remained unnamed, never marked the photos after they processed them and were never called to testify and identify the photos as the ones they took or to describe the technical processes they used in creating them.

Instead, the legitimacy of the photographs were confirmed VISUALLY by the two men who never created them, the examiners, Cadigan and Cole.

In spite of the lack of a chain of custody, the Commission did what it usually did numerous times in its hearings and accepted ALL of the photographs as evidence and designated them as exhibits.

FROM THE HSCA -- testimony of handwriting expert Joseph P. McNally, 9/14/78:

Mr. FAUNTROY. Are photocopies as good as original handwriting for analysis purposes?

Mr. McNALLY. No, never.

( 2 HSCA 393 )

Edited March 13, 2011 by Gil Jesus

[Gil Jesus]

Gil's post # 17 supercedes any kind of Hoover ordered handwriting analysis.

In fact, it demolishes it into pieces.

Thank You. I just can't imagine how any reasonable person could hang onto one piece of evidence and at the same time completely ignore a mountain of evidence to the contrary.

[Gil Jesus]

DVP does not know when he is between a rock and a hard place.

If Oswald showed up right at the front door of the post office at eight--he then still had to walk for miles to drop the envelope in postal zone 12.

Which would mean the cards were phonied up.

In fact even if it opened up at 7:30, he would not have made it back in time.

Good point. Even if Oswald is at the PO at 7:30 am, he still has to buy the money order, put the airmail stamp, fill out the money order and envelope, drop it in a mailbox clear in another postal zone, then get to work by 8:00 am. Impossible travelling by bus and he didn't drive. So if he did it, it would have involved a witness -- someone who drove him --- co-worker or taxi driver.

This is the problem with their situation. Every time they think they've got it explained, they just dig a deeper hole. If Von Pein puts Oswald at the Post Office prior to 8:00 am, he's also got to PROVE how Oswald made it to JCS by 8:00 am.

A conundrum, for sure.

Edited March 13, 2011 by Gil Jesus

[David Von Pein]

Stupid plotters -- doing things that Oswald couldn't possibly have done within a plot that has JUST THE OPPOSITE GOAL -- they want to make it look like Oswald definitely DID do these things.

I guess the retarded plotters didn't count on sleuths like Gil Jesus and Jimbo "Oswald Never Shot A Soul" DiEugenio investigating the case, did they?

Retarded plotters all around.

Edited March 13, 2011 by David Von Pein

[Gil Jesus]

< Von Pein silly editorializing snipped due to a lack of interest >

"Photocopies have several limitations. They do not reproduce all the fine details in handwriting needed in making an examination and comparison. At best, they do not produce as sharp an image as a properly produced photograph, and they lack tonal gradations, a result of the contrasting process of reproduction. In addition, it is possible to incorporate or insert changes and alterations into copies. A method frequently used is to paste together parts of documents to make one fradulent document, which is then copied. If the first copy can pass inspection, it will be used; if not, it will be reworked to eliminate all signs of alteration. This amended copy is then recopied for the finished product. This is usually referred to as the "cut and paste" method. Document examiners only render a qualified or conditional opinion when working from copies. They stipulate that they have to examine the original before a definite opinion will be made."

The Examination of Handwriting Evidence

Findings and Conclusions of David J. Purtell

HSCA Volume VIII, pg. 239

IOW, signatures could be cut from one document and pasted to another. That's why examiners would request to see the ORIGINAL before making a final determination on a copy.

BTW, the money order ( Item 29, also identified as CE 788 and JFK F-509 in 8 HSCA 230 ) which was examined by both McNally and Purtell was described as a XEROX COPY. ( 8 HSCA 234, 239 )

Could an Oswald signature be faked ?

In his examination of the "Dear Mr. Hunt " letter, McNally said it could be.

Mr. MCNALLY. ....Oswald's general writing pattern is simple and tends to be rather legible, and to turn out something like that would be not particularly difficult.

( 4 H 360 )

On the next page, he described HOW it could be done.

Mr. McNALLY. ......It could very well be a situation where this thing has been patched together from original writing of Oswald. It can be done using a photo reproduction process.

( 4 HSCA 361 )

And THAT'S why you don't use COPIES when comparing handwriting.

Edited March 13, 2011 by Gil Jesus