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Will Emaus

The Beatles, Conspiracy and the Supernatural

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Interesting take, Will. I don't know whether it's the Lutheran in me but the temple veils would not have been torn nor the pentecost nor the freedom from sin had not Jesus' statement that one would do as Judas did and he went willingly with the soldiers. Jesus is a Loving God.. Are you saying He is not Omnipotent (Omniscient, Omnipresent) ?

Anyway. what do you think of S Kings new novel 11/22/63 about a journey to 1958 and (without the zero) 11/23/58 being the beginning of the fibonacci sequence?

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Interesting take, Will. I don't know whether it's the Lutheran in me but the temple veils would not have been torn nor the pentecost nor the freedom from sin had not Jesus' statement that one would do as Judas did and he went willingly with the soldiers. Jesus is a Loving God.. Are you saying He is not Omnipotent (Omniscient, Omnipresent) ?

Anyway. what do you think of S Kings new novel 11/22/63 about a journey to 1958 and (without the zero) 11/23/58 being the beginning of the fibonacci sequence?

Good stuff John, I feel Jesus believed there was urgency to save souls during His ministry which demonstrated risk implying free will. Jesus treatment of the Rich Young Ruler wasn't very loving as it pertained to the ruler's life as he may well have gone through life being poor, but Jesus saw the bigger picture and defined love in that sense.

Likewise with Judas; he got a real tough lot in life at the end but his own choices ultimately determined the fate of his soul, not his possession by Satan.

I'm looking forward to King's book quite a bit, authors in my view sometimes say more than they intend in their work and he's one of them. Who knows, maybe there's a fibonacci sequence buried in all of this too.

King's timing is quite Don McLean'ish (MAP)...

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Will, I think you're looking too hard at things that simply are not there?

I have been a fan of the Fabs for decades and have lisytened intently to their 66-69 songs via headphones. Yes in the song's backgrounds there are tape loops, backward lyrics, teasers, deliberate fan provocations, murmurs, laughs, swearing and general chat, but nothing like what you suggest?

Just before the main 'Na na na' chorus of Hey Jude, John utters the F word when a guitar string snaps, they laugh behind Hey Bulldog, utter comments in Obla-di, Obla-da, etc, but no political or astrological comments?

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Will, I think you're looking too hard at things that simply are not there?

I have been a fan of the Fabs for decades and have lisytened intently to their 66-69 songs via headphones. Yes in the song's backgrounds there are tape loops, backward lyrics, teasers, deliberate fan provocations, murmurs, laughs, swearing and general chat, but nothing like what you suggest?

Just before the main 'Na na na' chorus of Hey Jude, John utters the F word when a guitar string snaps, they laugh behind Hey Bulldog, utter comments in Obla-di, Obla-da, etc, but no political or astrological comments?

But the thing is, they are there.

What they intended, who knows for sure. Here's Julian Lennon asserting that there is more than meets the eye and I could fill the page with others alleging something similar. http://www.denverpost.com/celebritybuzz/ci_19248071

Don't get me wrong, I love the music too and fun is fun. But there is more there than they intended...

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Julian's specific quote: Gimme some truth... Maybe now it's time to tell the Truth... I & My Mother will not be eradicated from History

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I'm not saying that John wasn't assassinated by forces in the USA opposed to his Peace-minded activities, or fear of them as he came out of retirement, because I believe that he was. Reagan's campaign chief was probably involved.

I just don't see any correllation between that and John's lyrics.

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I'm not saying that John wasn't assassinated by forces in the USA opposed to his Peace-minded activities, or fear of them as he came out of retirement, because I believe that he was. Reagan's campaign chief was probably involved.

I just don't see any correllation between that and John's lyrics.

Well I have a different take John, but no I don't think John's lyrics were as much of a threat as his potential presence at any gathering in 1972. Nixon seemed to genuinely fear his "clout", maybe moreso than what his songs actually said...John may have sort of marginalized himself in '73/74 in Los Angeles, although seemingly happy to.

Interestingly, both John Lennon and Ronald Reagan were on this MNF broadcast on December 9th 1974.

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Will, can you consider the possibility that the supernatural element you propose is an esoteric description of events involving artists and therefore the esoteric with the supernatural redundant and this sort of analysis is to a believer of it never refutable and in fact a result of an inner dissonance?

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Will, can you consider the possibility that the supernatural element you propose is an esoteric description of events involving artists and therefore the esoteric with the supernatural redundant and this sort of analysis is to a believer of it never refutable and in fact a result of an inner dissonance?

John, did you get that post from "Yes, Minister"? biggrin.gif

Seriously though, Lennon had defeated the US Govt in 1076 and severely humiliated them by proving in court that they (the FBI) were bugging/following him when he won his green card that year.

In 1980, at the same time as Lennon, a notorious peace campaigner and a hugely influential man globally, comes out of retirement, a new US right-wing Govt rules, and William J Casey, Reagan's campaign manager and then CIA chief who oversaw a re-expansion of the intelligence service as international relations faltered between east-west.

Would a socialist anti-war musician be 'allowed' to get in the way?

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LOL, Thank you, John. Well perhaps..I did have an opportunity to meet the star once but I knew he was seriously ill and I felt like not burdening him in any way so I declined the invitation so I suppose there's (almost) always a conciliatory element.

I think the year 1980 is very significant because Latin America was boiling with the Sandinistas winning in Nicaragua and the Contras (Raygonzos ''freedom fighters'') preparing for an all out assault.

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Shame, Eddington and Hawthorne seemed such decent guys, too?

Dare I say, has the US been far different to nazi Germany these last 70yrs? And I don't just mean civil rights and Capital punishment! wink.gif

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Yes, the guy (an actor in a play in freo that Eddington was in) who invited me spoke very highly of him. He underwent a dignified struggle, with much of the world unaware of it at the time .

And, yes imo there are many reasons for that parallel.

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Will, can you consider the possibility that the supernatural element you propose is an esoteric description of events involving artists and therefore the esoteric with the supernatural redundant and this sort of analysis is to a believer of it never refutable and in fact a result of an inner dissonance?

John, do you assume I haven't?

Part of the reason for going through this is to separate fact from fiction, people's conspiracies from what is left over. One of my YouTube channels has well over 100 reversed songs on it. I consistently receive comments to the effect that people will hear whatever they want to hear, that you can find backwards messages in anything.

And yet if you review the songs and the comments to the songs, you will see that probably over 90% have nothing coherent at all. The Beatles on the other hand, almost half of their songs do have a discernible message, and they relate to messages in other songs. Why? Because they did that intentionally? Possible. Or is it something else? It's an open question and I research in order to find out, among other topics in which I'm doing the same.

But if you think I came up with this in a vacuum and haven't had substantial leadership and guidance to come to this conclusion you are mistaken. In fact, my experience is the opposite; people do more to invent reasons why something isn't there because it's more socially acceptable. Take each item, evaluate it honestly; if its not real, fine. If it is, ask why? What does it relate to?

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Will, the Fabs even poo-poohed the idea of message-finding themselves! To the point that John even added the lyric in the 1968 track Glass Onion on the famed double 'White album' (officially titled 'The Beatles');'-

"And here's a clue for you all...the Walrus [costumes in Magical Mystery Tour promo/film] was Paul"

John confirmed this on numerous occasions when accused of messages in tracks like Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (LSD), I am the Walrus, Strawberry Fields, Revolution 9 and their album covers- most notably Abbey Road and Sgt Pepper (plus it's lyrics)?

They didn't, in my view, plant prophecies in their songs covertly, deliberately, divinely or otherwise?

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Will, the Fabs even poo-poohed the idea of message-finding themselves! To the point that John even added the lyric in the 1968 track Glass Onion on the famed double 'White album' (officially titled 'The Beatles');'-

"And here's a clue for you all...the Walrus [costumes in Magical Mystery Tour promo/film] was Paul"

John confirmed this on numerous occasions when accused of messages in tracks like Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (LSD), I am the Walrus, Strawberry Fields, Revolution 9 and their album covers- most notably Abbey Road and Sgt Pepper (plus it's lyrics)?

They didn't, in my view, plant prophecies in their songs covertly, deliberately, divinely or otherwise?

John, I think they did. John Lennon said Lucy was about a friend of Julian's. Absolutely true. In 2004 Paul then says that of course, Lucy was also LSD. If the Walrus had no significance, then why in God does he admit that it was really him? Are they being honest? And beyond that do they know the whole story?

What is your reaction to Paul putting Aleister Crowley on the screen behind him when he plays Helter Skelter in concert? Does that seem like a sensible thing to do if you want to in fact dismiss theorists who read things into the songs? Or does it seem like something someone would do to continue to in fact fuel speculation while dismissing the whole notion in interviews?

The point is this. Most people took Paul is Dead to be either a hoax or coincidence or real. There are still to this day entire forums dedicated to Beatles mysteries. Nothing is Real and The King is Naked being two of them. The Iamaphoney series on Youtube is also dedicated to this. The theories are mostly about Paul, some are rather intriguing, but the point is that the reason why people continue to search through this is because of the sheer volume of items that are bizarre and unique to every other artist.

You of course realize I cannot state much of what I believe to be fact, so John's assertion that it cannot be refuted does have a place, but that doesn't make it untrue either. I spent 2 hours last night looking at everything related to John Wesley Harding due to the presence of the Beatles in a tree when you turn the LP upside down. My conclusion was nothing, I don't have any idea what the significance of the LP is as it relates to my beliefs. I look at these things anyways because it's what I research; I don't personally think my conclusions are irrational but they are definitely off the beaten path.

I do look at it though and I don't follow the party line as to which Beatles items are significant; a lot of them aren't to me, including some that you are mentioning but I haven't, but a number of things are and I don't believe the Beatles did a lot of them on purpose. No differently than me believing Bobby Kennedy having dinner with Roman Polanski and Sharon Tate the night before he died is quite significant but not because of anything that anyone deliberately did.

In my view its a breadcrumb trail.

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