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Mark Knight Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 The elephant in the room: the seeds of the False Defector Program Loyalty Police Silence was the stern reply. That's okay. I get it. Everyone just wants to churn over the same old stuff. Cool. I can accommodate. I clicked on the link yesterday and it wouldn't come up for me. It just came up today, so I'm in the process of reading it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Knight Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 The elephant in the room: the seeds of the False Defector Program Loyalty Police Silence was the stern reply. That's okay. I get it. Everyone just wants to churn over the same old stuff. Cool. I can accommodate. I clicked on the link yesterday and it wouldn't come up for me. It just came up today, so I'm in the process of reading it. Just read that section... It certainly puts Oswald's CAP membership in a different light, and it just might answer some questions about his knowledge of the Russian language and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steven Gaal Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 The topic of the defector program is a very old JFK research item. ,gaal The real Defector Program DCID 4/2 1959 and Synder James K. Olmstead 8 years ago http://alt.assassination.jfk.narkive.com/hl3kTMh7/the-real-defector-program-dcid-4-2-1959-and-synder ============================================== PRISCILLA JOHNSON:Witness for the Prosecution 13 years ago http://www.jfk-info.com/verb-4.htm (OF NOTE PER LINK "Finally, Oswald impressed me because he was the first and, as it turned out, the only 'ideological' defector I met in Moscow. Of the two or three other American defectors I encountered [my emphasis], none claimed to be motivated by a belief in communism.") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share Posted September 13, 2015 The topic of the defector program is a very old JFK research item. ,gaal The real Defector Program DCID 4/2 1959 and Synder James K. Olmstead 8 years ago http://alt.assassination.jfk.narkive.com/hl3kTMh7/the-real-defector-program-dcid-4-2-1959-and-synder ============================================== Here are the relevant quotes: DCID 4/2 THE DEFECTOR PROGRAM ABROAD.....dated 26 June, 1959 and revised 6 May, 1960. To find DCID 4/2 one had to look "outside" the box, in fact one had to go to Bogota, Columbia. ---------- The primary goal of DCID 4/2 deals with esablishing proceedures for defector's coming over to "our side". It would also handle incidents of defectors going over to the "dark side". In Oswald's case it can be established that his "return" would be addressed by this local Defector Committee. Showing his role during his 1959 actions is much harder, but it can be seen. Having known and worked with Jim extensively, let me interpret this for you: It goes back to Bogota because it was a direct result of the assassination of Gaitan and the subsequent Bogotazo which I covered extensively in first volume. The ORIGINAL Directive 4/2 was signed September 28, 1950. PRIORITY LIST OF CRITICAL NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE OBJECTIVES In accordance with DCI 4/1,2 paragraph 3, the following list of critical national intelligence objectives, with respect to the USSR, is established; so the highest priority shall be given to the collection of information and to the production of intelligence concerning Soviet capabilities and intentions for: 1. taking direct military action against the Continental United States; 2. taking direct military action, employing USSR Armed Forces, against vital U.S. possessions, areas peripheral to the Soviet Union, and Western Europe; 3. interfering with U.S. strategic air attack; 4. interfering with U.S. movement of men and material by water transport; 5. production and stockpiling, including location of installations and facilities, of atomic and related weapons, other critical weapons and equipment, and critical transportation equipment; 6. creating situations anywhere in the world dangerous to U.S. national security, short of commitment of Soviet Armed Forces, including foreign directed sabotage and espionage objectives; 7. interfering with U.S. political, psychological, and economic courses of action for the achievement of critical U.S. aims and objectives. So the main objective was the collection of intelligence. Jim states quite rightly that the Defector Program which sign off in June 1959 was aimed at defectors FROM the SU coming to the US. He ads that the Defector Committee would also play a role in Oswald's return TO the US as a defector TO the SU. Why? Because of the potential intelligence he could offer. What the program did NOT do was send FALSE defectors to the SU. A FALSE defector program does not have the collection of intelligence as its primary objective and so cannot fall within 4/2. Moreover, June 1959 is way past too late. Oswald was at least 3 months into the planning by then. Nice try, but no cupie doll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) http://alt.assassination.jfk.narkive.com/hl3kTMh7/the-real-defector-program-dcid-4-2-1959-and-synder <<< LINK "To find DCID 4/2 one has to look "outside" the box, in fact one had to go YES James K. Olmstead Covered the origin of DCID 4/2 about 7 years before to Bogota, Columbia. PARKERS FIRST VOLUME Nice try, but no cupie doll. ,gaal The first consideration is that Synder's connection to the CIA in 1959, asa "asset" is immaterial. The nature of his Embassy employment puts himdirectly involved with "Defectors". Each US Embassy had established in1959 a committee known as a "local Defector Committee". This localcommittee was composed of the following:Security Officer.......note the Chief of Security was arrested outsidetrain station day Oswald arrived. Administrative Officer CAS ServiceAttaches (this includes CIA/FBI/ONI/CID agents assigned cover tasks orjobs) Counsellor of Embassy (this links the AG's office......see LHO'sreturn and RFK)Synder is directly involved and a great deal of his actions concerningOswald's defection and return are suspect. His assignment placed himdirectly involved in this "local Defector Committee" who he "reported tois immaterial since all "intelligence reps" were part of this "joint"operation. The only information NOT shared would be individual counterintelligence operations in effect conducted by committee members higherparent organization.....unless there was a general "need to know" basis.The primary goal of DCID 4/2 deals with esablishing proceedures fordefector's coming over to "our side". It would also handle incidents ofdefectors going over to the "dark side". In Oswald's case it can beestablished that his "return" would be addressed by this local DefectorCommittee. Showing his role during his 1959 actions is much harder, butit can be seen.To fully understand the actions of Synder that are suspect, one mostevaluate the proceedures outlined in DCID 4/2. Not one published work onOswald deals with DCID 4/2. No WC supporter can counter theconsiderations of this established USG program and Oswald's defection.Did Synder do anything criminal.......IMO no.....but his actions remain Synder didn't follow procedures of DCID 4/2 for any defector in Oswald's casesuspect since basic considerations were "not followed" directed and Synder thus acted like Oswald wasnt a real defector ,like Oswald was a false defector.outlined by DCID 4/2. Cover up of actions also fall within protection Parkers objection/issue of the collection of intelligence as its (Defection) primary objective,considerations of National Security programs in effect between 1959 and isnt relevant in this case. Nice try, but no cupie doll. ,gaal 1980." Edited September 14, 2015 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share Posted September 13, 2015 I really would get more from arguing with a bottle of ketchup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) I really would get more from arguing with a bottle of ketchup. PARKER OBJECTS TO NOT HAVING NEW MATERIAL. WELL VOLUME ONE DOSENT LOOK TOO NEW.,gaal SEE POST # 68 above. Also Parker's analysis of the DCID 4/2 is weak. Parker dosent get," it " it seems. Synder dosent follow procedures and treat LHO as any kind of defector. THUS SYNDER TREATS HIM AS A NULL DEFECTOR AKA FALSE DEFECTOR. ,gaal pla·gia·rism ˈplājəˌrizəm/ noun noun: plagiarism; plural noun: plagiarisms the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own. ,gaal Edited September 13, 2015 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share Posted September 13, 2015 Parker objects to nothing except Bogans and Vogons and odd little offspring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) BUMPED ,but please let me add https://books.google.com/books?id=-BlZCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT79&lpg=PT79&dq=%22U2%22+surveillance+%22ONI%22&source=bl&ots=kPmwITHYey&sig=X2NWwYIlYv6RuAWvbvl7_3gLa4Y&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CE0Q6AEwB2oVChMIlZfSx5f1xwIVQZyICh3BeggQ#v=onepage&q=%22U2%22%20surveillance%20%22ONI%22&f=false see Synder above http://alt.assassination.jfk.narkive.com/hl3kTMh7/the-real-defector-program-dcid-4-2-1959-and-synder <<< LINK "To find DCID 4/2 one has to look "outside" the box, in fact one had to go YES James K. Olmstead Covered the origin of DCID 4/2 about 7 years before to Bogota, Columbia. PARKERS FIRST VOLUME Nice try, but no cupie doll. ,gaal The first consideration is that Synder's connection to the CIA in 1959, asa "asset" is immaterial. The nature of his Embassy employment puts himdirectly involved with "Defectors". Each US Embassy had established in1959 a committee known as a "local Defector Committee". This localcommittee was composed of the following:Security Officer.......note the Chief of Security was arrested outsidetrain station day Oswald arrived. Administrative Officer CAS ServiceAttaches (this includes CIA/FBI/ONI/CID agents assigned cover tasks orjobs) Counsellor of Embassy (this links the AG's office......see LHO'sreturn and RFK)Synder is directly involved and a great deal of his actions concerningOswald's defection and return are suspect. His assignment placed himdirectly involved in this "local Defector Committee" who he "reported tois immaterial since all "intelligence reps" were part of this "joint"operation. The only information NOT shared would be individual counterintelligence operations in effect conducted by committee members higherparent organization.....unless there was a general "need to know" basis.The primary goal of DCID 4/2 deals with esablishing proceedures fordefector's coming over to "our side". It would also handle incidents ofdefectors going over to the "dark side". In Oswald's case it can beestablished that his "return" would be addressed by this local DefectorCommittee. Showing his role during his 1959 actions is much harder, butit can be seen.To fully understand the actions of Synder that are suspect, one mostevaluate the proceedures outlined in DCID 4/2. Not one published work onOswald deals with DCID 4/2. No WC supporter can counter theconsiderations of this established USG program and Oswald's defection.Did Synder do anything criminal.......IMO no.....but his actions remain Synder didn't follow procedures of DCID 4/2 for any defector in Oswald's casesuspect since basic considerations were "not followed" directed and Synder thus acted like Oswald wasnt a real defector ,like Oswald was a false defector.outlined by DCID 4/2. Cover up of actions also fall within protection Parkers objection/issue of the collection of intelligence as its (Defection) primary objective,considerations of National Security programs in effect between 1959 and isnt relevant in this case. Nice try, but no cupie doll. ,gaal 1980." Edited September 14, 2015 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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