Obstruction of Justice by J Edgar Hoover

[William Plumlee]

NOTE: For anyone interesting in taking the time to open up the following links I think you will find the information more that interesting in reference as to how J.Edgar Hoover obstructed Justice in withholding inportant files from investigative committees, namely the HSCA:

Note: I was asked by Senator Berry Goldwater and his security advisor, Mr Lombard(sp), in 1976, to contack the FBI because of the information I had discussed with them in reference to John Rosellie's safety, and my safety. The information I had received, about a threat on Rosellie and myself, had been obtained from Roselli's attorney because I had been Rosellie's pilot on a few occausions and I was being warned about my safety in case something happened to Roselli before he could testifie to theUnited States Senate again. This was in late June and early July a few weeks before Roselli was reported missing on July 23, 1976.

I was asked by the FBI to please write down in proper format what we had discussed previously on the telephone.

In reference to this matter, there are two different sets of FBI files on William Robert Plumlee. One set 342 pages were released to the HSCA; 1978, while the other 120 pages (Plumlee/Rosellie; 62-2116 file) was not released to the committee. This other file was not declassified until 1997. This file was withheld from the HSCA(1978) by J Hoover and the Department of Justice.

A careful review of these pages will show how J Hoover withheld information contained within FBI files from the HSCA as well as other investigative committees:

The following 120 pages were declassified in 1997, and released FOIA in 1999, but were not available in 1978 to the HSCA. The other set of FBI files, 342 pages, ref; FBI 105's and 26 fileswere released to the HSCA in 1978 as stamped on the pages. They were declassified and released by FOIA to Barnard Fensterwald and Gary Shaw in 1981.

These files are in PDF foremat and may take awhile to load if your on dail up.

Thess 120 pages were not released to the HSCA in 1978. They were declassified in 1997 and released FOIA in 1999. The HSCA did not see these files or the references made to Roselli.

The following 342 FBI pages were declassified in 1981. They Were released to Barnard Finisterwald Jr. and Gary Shaw in 1981. The classified documents were released by J Hoover to the HSCA in 1978 for review. The following are only a small portion of the total files released.

Of all these pages only a very small portion are available to researchers. Notice the stamping and notes where these 1981 declassified files went to in 1978 while they were still classified. Also note that the other set of FBI files of 1997 do not have the stamping because they were not supplied to the committee. Also note how the first set of files (1981) have been slanted to discredit Plumlee and how the second set of files differ on the Roselli Plumlee information because they had remained classified top secret, National Security Matter as found stamped of a few of the pages. Notice that the 62-2116 file is the same file number as the 62-2116 or Roselli's. (Plumlee/Rosellie 62-2116 FBI)

Notice that Plumle had approached the FBI in June of 1976 as directed by Senator Berry Goldwater's Security (a Mr Lombard of Goldwater's staff) Notice that Plumlee was talking to the FBI about his safety and that of Rosellie three days before Roselli was reported missing. Notice. The FBI came to Plumlee's home on August 5th 1976 (the same day Roselli's body was found) asking him (Plumlee) to tell them everything he (Plumlee) knew about Rosellie. If Plumlee had not mentioned Roselli to the FBI earlier then how did they know Plumlee was talking about Roselli earlier in June 6, July 1, and July 26th, ( the same day Roselli disappeared) and again Aug 5th (the same day Roselli's body was found)

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/check2.PDF note; there is no arrest record recorded of an arrest in Ohio for this time frame.

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/check3.PDF U.S. Customs said to the FBI that Plumlee was arrested in Columbus Ohio with a plane load of arms bond for Cuba and he was turned over to local authorities in view...". There is nothing about any checks written or local police arresting Plumlee in Ohio. This was said by the FBI..

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REVISED LINKS: click on url

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/toshrequest.PDF note FOIA request for all records

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/FBIlist1.PDF note reply to FOIA FBI said 'no records'

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/fbiresponse.PDF

note: FOIA released 120 pages; thess 120 pages were not released to the HSCA in 1978. They were declassified in 1997 and released FOIA in 1999. The HSCA did not see these files or the references made to Roselli.

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/fbi1.PDF

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/fbi2.PDF

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/fbi3.PDF

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/fbi4.PDF

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/fbi5.PDF

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/fbi6.PDF

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/fbi7.PDF

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/fbi8.PDF

REVISED LINKS:

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/FBI81a.PDF

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/FBI81b.PDF

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/FBI81c.PDF

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/FBI81d.PDF

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/FBI81e.PDF

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/FBI81f.PDF notice HSCA stamp 1978

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/FBI81g.PDF

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/check1.PDF note; ..his men had arrested plumlee for attempting to pass a forged check.......".

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/check2.PDF note; there is no arrest record recorded of an arrest in Ohio for this time frame.

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/check3.PDF U.S. Customs said to the FBI that Plumlee was arrested in Columbus Ohio with a plane load of arms bond for Cuba and he was turned over to local authorities in view...". There is nothing about any checks written or local police arresting Plumlee in Ohio. This was said by the FBI..

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/check4.PDF note; Lab report from thre FBI. "... no checks could be found written by Plumlee...".

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/FBIlist2.PDF List of FBI files on William Robert Plumlee. Most of thes files were not declassified untill 1981.

http://tosh.jfkmurdersolved.com/pdf/FBIlist3.PDF cont of Plumlee files. note files destoryed.

Edited November 25, 2004 by William Plumlee

[John Ritchson]

NOTE: For anyone interesting in taking the time to open up the following links I think you will find the information more that interesting in reference as to how J.Edgar Hoover obstructed Justice in withholding inportant files from investigative committees, namely the HSCA:

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Thanks for the info Tosh Obstruction of Justice Certainly_and "BEUCOUP" Evidence to Suggest, "COMPLICITY TO MURDER & PREMEDITED MURDER"_My

Thinking is as Follows:

The bullet that was recovered from Parkland Hospital, also known as "The Stretcher Bullet" which was entered into evidence by the FBI, to the Warren Commission, and certified to be forensically connected to the alledged murder weapon which was alledged to be a surplus, Terni made, Model 1938, 6.5X52mm Mannlicher Carcano Rifle_was accepted by the WC and designated CE-399. This bullet was in fact fired from a 6.5X54mm Mannlicher Schoenauer Rifle with a barrel possessing "Rifling" with 6 Lands and Grooves, and a 1 turn in 7" twist the fact of which has been determined by myself, Researchers Walt Cakebread and his son Ron who ss a mechanical Engineer used the latest CAD software to further varify Walt's and My research on this subject.

Since such a projectile could not have been fired from "ANY" Carcano Rifle, the "ONLY" other way it could have shown up at Parkland Hospital was to be "PLANTED" and concidering the time frame involved that "STRONGLY" almost "MANDATES" Foreknowledge of the Fact and since any insider knows that nothing went on within the FBI that didn't go past J. Edgar Hoover and Clyde Tolson, they at the very least could be charged with Complicity to Capital Murder

along with everyone else down the chain of command that was in position to alter and falsify the physical evidence in this case.

They needed a bullet to explain John Connley's wounds and to forensically connect Lee Oswald to the shooting but somewhere during the process someone got their wires crossed and fired a 6.5mm bullet from his Mannlicher Schoenauer Sniper Rifle into a Ballistic Water Tank which was recovered and planted at the scene.

Sometime after the Warren Commission had concluded it's study someone within the FBI'S Forensic Laboratory realised the error and fired another bullet, this time from a Manlicher Carcano Rifle and it was this bullet that was presented to the HSCA and designated HSCA-399. Two completely different bullets, neither of which ever penetrated human tissue, blood and bone.

This then represents just one facet of the many aspects of this case which expalcates if not exonerates Lee Harvey Oswald as the Lone-Nut Shooter and murderer of our 35th President and Commander-In-Chief.

Respectfully:

Edited November 25, 2004 by John Ritchson

[Wim Dankbaar]

Tosh, I think it is important to make your points in a simple way.

Correct me if I am wrong:

The point is that by far not all the files that were made available to you upon your FOIA request, were NOT released to the House Select Committee on Assassinations. This SHOULD have been done of course to allow the HSCA a truthfull and fair investigation.

A second point is that a number of FBI files that WERE released to the HSCA have all the looks of having been tampered with.

A third point is that researchers (including those with sincere intentions) are likely to make erroneous conclusions about your credibility, for example by concluding that you were in jail (while you were NOT in jail in reality) at times when you were in effect involved in covert operations.

Wim

Edited November 25, 2004 by Wim Dankbaar

[William Plumlee]

Tosh, I think it is important to make your points  in  a simple way.

Correct me if  I am wrong:

The point is that by far not  all the files that were made available to you upon your FOIA  request, were NOT released to the House Select Committee on Assassinations. This SHOULD have been done of course to allow the HSCA a truthfull and fair investigation.

A second point is that a number of FBI files that WERE released to the HSCA have all the looks of having been tampered with.

A third point is that researchers (including those with sincere intentions) are likely to make erroneous conclusions about your credibility, for example by concluding that you were in jail (while you were NOT in jail in reality) at times when you were in effect involved in covert operations.

Wim

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Your right Wim. However when I have stated these points before, I have been told "Where is your proof?" Do you have anything to prove what you say? I don't know how to keep it simple without posting the documents and pointing WHERE the FBI withheld from the HSCA. .,and ask why?

I know nobody really reads the documents, because they have been around for years, but when I state what is in them, then I am told its to complicated to get into.

Point point being; if there is just one or two conflicting points regarding me and my record, what does that say? And why was it done? Why did the 1981 released documents to the HSCA come from the FBI and J Edgar Hoover himself? However the 1993 FBI documents were not released from the Director of the FBI. Does this not indicate selective released or not? If it does then I have to ask; WHY?

Another point. Why was my FBI information and files classified in the first place? FBI has indicated (in these first files of 1981 Hoover released) that I was not a creditable source and I contacted them with a wild story? Then WHY were both files CLASSIFIED for over 22 years? And one set of files were never released to the Church Committee or the HSCA? I guess they were just confused and made a mistake. Also keep in mine that these posted pages are only a very small portion of the 400plus pages which have been posted. I was trying to keep it brief and simple.

Thanks Wim: I appreciate the fed back...