Steve Thomas Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 These seem to be an FBI designation. Who decided where to file, or send these Reports? Who decided who these Reports would get routed to? For example: CD 1020 Lees Harvey Oswald Internal Security – Russia-Cuba Office: Miami CD 1021 Lee Harvey Oswald Internal Security-R Office: El Paso CD 1022 Lee Harvey Oswald Internal Security–R-Cuba Office: Los Angeles CD 1023 Lee Harvey Oswald Internal Security–Russia-Cuba Office: Okla. City CD 1026 Lee Harvey Oswald Internal Security-R-Cuba Office: Washington, D.C. CD 451 Lee Harvey Oswald Internal Security- R-Cuba Office: Washington D.C. (topic of this memo is Yuri Nosenko) 1. REPORT ON KRAMER, NAMAN, AND HYDE'S PICTURE TAKING IN MINSK. Record Number: 104-10003-10226 Record Series: JFK Agency: CIA Agency File No.: 201-289248 Originator: FBI From: ORTON, SA CHESTER C. To: FBI INTERNAL SECURITY - R - CUBA Date: 04/03/1964 Pages: 4 Subjects: MINSK-USSR; OSWALD IN MINSK; PHOTO OF MINSK; 2. INTERVIEW OF MARIE HYDE ABOUT HER TRIP TO MINSK. Record Number: 104-10003-10227 Record Series: JFK Agency: CIA Agency File No.: 201-289248 Originator: FBI From: LEWIS, SA GEORGE L., FBI To: FBI INTERNAL SECURITY - R - CUBA Date: 04/13/1964 Pages: 5 Subjects: HYDE; NAMAN; OSWALD IN MINSK In the Reports, the headings: The Internal Security - R, or Internal Security - R-Cuba is in the Character field. Did somebody say, "All Reports on Lee Harvey Oswald should go the Internal Security - R - Cuba desk, except these kinds of Reports which should go to the Internal Security - Russia desk?" And why would a memo about Yuri Nosenko go to the Internal Security-R-Cuba desk, or memos about Oswald in Minsk? Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 On 2/13/2018 at 10:19 AM, Steve Thomas said: These seem to be an FBI designation. Who decided where to file, or send these Reports? Who decided who these Reports would get routed to? For example: Did somebody say, "All Reports on Lee Harvey Oswald should go the Internal Security - R - Cuba desk, except these kinds of Reports which should go to the Internal Security - Russia desk?" And why would a memo about Yuri Nosenko go to the Internal Security-R-Cuba desk, or memos about Oswald in Minsk? Steve Thomas Posted by Robert Howard in the Education Forum 10/4/2005 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/1919-bernardo-de-torres/?page=2 The Topic is Bernardo de Torres My note (SAS is Special Affairs Staff) "Also from Peter Dale Scott Deep Politics III (CIA, Drug Traffic & Oswald in Mexico) It is clear that throughout 1963, members like David Morales of the CIA’s Special Affairs Staff, designated to co-ordinate operations against Castro (including new assassination projects),... From about October 1 to October 9 (David Atlee) Phillips made a quick trip, authorized by the Special Affairs Staff, to Washington and then Miami.[193] On October 1 the Mexico City CIA station also sent a cable directing that a diplomatic pouch, sent on October 1 to Washington, should be held in the registry until picked up by “Michael C. Choaden” (i.e. Phillips) presently TDY (temporary duty) HQS.”[194][195] The date October 1 catches our eye, inasmuch as it is the date of the alleged Oswald-Kostikov intercept. One is also struck by Phillips’ presence in the Miami JMWAVE station from October 7-9. There are reports that Rosselli, who had good standing in the JMWAVE station, met on two occasions in Miami in early October with Jack Ruby.[196] Phillips’ trip coincides curiously with a significant change in the contents and handling of Oswald’s 201 file. Up to late September 1963, incoming documents about Oswald had been referred to the CI/OPS and SR/CI (Soviet Russia/Counterintelligence) desks.[197] But there was a new addressee for the next Oswald document, an FBI Report of September 24 from New Orleans about Oswald’s arrest in August 9 after distributing Fair Play for Cuba leaflets. This was “Austin Horn” of SAS/CI (replacing the usual SR/CI), whose name appears next to the date stamp “8 Oct 1963.” This exclusion of SR/CI, coupled with the initial exclusion of the report (entitled “Lee Harvey Oswald”) from Oswald’s 201 file, helps explain how an unwitting member of the SR/CI staff (Stefan Roll) could clear an outgoing cable that stated, falsely, that “Latest HDQS info [on Oswald] was ODACID [state Department] report dated May 1962 [!] saying ODACID had determined Oswald is still US citizen and both he and his Soviet wife have exit permits and Dept State had given approval for their travel with their infant child to USA.[198] Of the six officers responsible for drafting and signing this important cable, only one, Jane Roman of CI/LS (Counterintelligence/Liaison), had seen the incoming FBI report of September 24 that disproved their text. In Chapter III### we shall investigate the probability that this dishonest cable was part of a CIA/CI operation. Who was this “Austin Horn” who was privileged to see documents on Oswald denied to those who were drafting cables about him? We shall postpone to a later chapter the possibility, as yet still uncertain, that “Austin Horn” may in fact be David Phillips." Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) On 2/13/2018 at 8:19 AM, Steve Thomas said: These seem to be an FBI designation. Who decided where to file, or send these Reports? Who decided who these Reports would get routed to? For example: CD 1020 Lees Harvey Oswald Internal Security – Russia-Cuba Office: Miami CD 1021 Lee Harvey Oswald Internal Security-R Office: El Paso CD 1022 Lee Harvey Oswald Internal Security–R-Cuba Office: Los Angeles CD 1023 Lee Harvey Oswald Internal Security–Russia-Cuba Office: Okla. City CD 1026 Lee Harvey Oswald Internal Security-R-Cuba Office: Washington, D.C. CD 451 Lee Harvey Oswald Internal Security- R-Cuba Office: Washington D.C. (topic of this memo is Yuri Nosenko) 1. REPORT ON KRAMER, NAMAN, AND HYDE'S PICTURE TAKING IN MINSK. Record Number: 104-10003-10226 Record Series: JFK Agency: CIA Agency File No.: 201-289248 Originator: FBI From: ORTON, SA CHESTER C. To: FBI INTERNAL SECURITY - R - CUBA Date: 04/03/1964 Pages: 4 Subjects: MINSK-USSR; OSWALD IN MINSK; PHOTO OF MINSK; 2. INTERVIEW OF MARIE HYDE ABOUT HER TRIP TO MINSK. Record Number: 104-10003-10227 Record Series: JFK Agency: CIA Agency File No.: 201-289248 Originator: FBI From: LEWIS, SA GEORGE L., FBI To: FBI INTERNAL SECURITY - R - CUBA Date: 04/13/1964 Pages: 5 Subjects: HYDE; NAMAN; OSWALD IN MINSK In the Reports, the headings: The Internal Security - R, or Internal Security - R-Cuba is in the Character field. Did somebody say, "All Reports on Lee Harvey Oswald should go the Internal Security - R - Cuba desk, except these kinds of Reports which should go to the Internal Security - Russia desk?" And why would a memo about Yuri Nosenko go to the Internal Security-R-Cuba desk, or memos about Oswald in Minsk? Steve Thomas Steve, Tried clicking on the links, but stupid me couldn't find the documents on MFF you are referencing. Regardless, regarding your CD 1023 -- Russia - Cuba (Oklahoma City), I wonder if it matters that FBI's TUMBLEWEED, double-agent Guenter Schulz, was living in Oklahoma? (I mean, at some point, anyway.) -- Tommy Edited March 13, 2018 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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