Gene Wheaton:CIA and the Military Industrial Complex

[Tim Gratz]

Mr. Hoven wrote:

He then asked if I had drank something cold before the attack. I mentioned that I had some orange juice. He said that there was a substance that caused heart attack and was delivered in a cold beverage (milk orange etc.).

Peter wrote:

My research has confirmed there are both chemical substances that can induce heart attack and certain frequencies of radio-waves/radiation to do the same

Peter, can you confirm what these substances are? From what Mr. Hoven says I suspect all he knows is what Mr. Jenkins told him. Of course this story is all the more reason why Jenkins should be officially interviewed (before that happens perhaps he would should be cautious about drinking orange juice, milk, kool aid, etc).

There must be a pathologist who can whether such a chemical substance exists.

Edited September 13, 2007 by Tim Gratz

[Tim Gratz]

The Hoven story brings new meaning to the phrase we all know that "OJ did it"!!

[Paul Hoven]

The last I heard was that Carl Jenkins was in Panama. That he had remarried a school teacher there. I guess that he and Elisabeth got a divorce after the Sheehan document. When Sheehan submitted his document, I understand that Elisabeth Jenkins resigned from the company and went to work for the State Dept. checking on the Embassy guards in Africa and Central Asia. I believe after it all blew over she returned to Langley and resumed her old position checking out potential new employees. She was a fascinating woman. Brilliant and beautiful. Almost out of a spy novel. As a teenage girl had read spy novels and decided that’s what she would do as an adult. Had a well earned hatred of Bobby Kennedy. During the Bay of Pigs she was 8 months pregnant and at the National Reconnaissance Office as a translator. One morning at about 2:00am she was walking done the hall when Kennedy came around the corner in a hurry and knocked her on her back. At which point the started to curse her out and called her a fat cow for getting in his way. I doubt that she mourned when he was killed. She was in Laos when Carl was there and that is where they got together. I believe at that time she interviewed our guys when they returned from trips over the fence into North Vietnam. Knowing some people that where there said she was the prettiest round eye in Laos.

From what Carl told me he was in Mexico training the Cubans for the Bay of Pigs. And has he hated the Kennedy’s also. The operation was designed for 5,000 Cubans to go ashore. But the White House cut it of at 1,500. Carl was especially hot when the Kennedys started sending down Mafia types in place of Cubans. Old man Kennedy’s mob friends where interested in their old holdings when Castro feel. The real hatred of the John Kennedy came from what he did during the actual invasion. Besides the rag tag Air Force of the Cuban invasion force the US Navy was to supply air cover. I am told that as the rebels were being slaughtered on the beach Kennedy personally called off the Navy. There is supposed to be a tape of that and I have friends that say they have heard it. I have never been able to get a copy of it our to here it.

[Paul Hoven]

What I failed to mention is that the Doctor at the bar indicated that the poison metabolized into two compounds that where normally found in the body.

With my job at the Project on Military Procurement I was dealing with over 300 newspapers, magazines and TV programs (20/20, 60 Minutes etc.) We supplied documents and assisted reporters with information about things military. You might say that we where like Google, if we didn’t have the information we had a phone number of someone who did. Our Offices on Capital hill where broken into a number of times. My apartment was broken into a number of times and nothing was ever taken but the items on my desk would be rearranged and the front door dead bolt would be unlocked and the door would be opened a quarter of an inch. Much of our information was supplied by the infamous Pentagon Underground. The underground was made up of a loose confederation of Military Officers and Pentagon civilians, who believed two basic points that weapon systems where not tested fully before purchase and that the Pentagon was not responsible with it’s money. Most of the people involving like myself were quite to the right of center politically. The overall Military Reform Movement was referred to in the media as the “Cheap Hawks”. The DIVAD was one of my projects and the Project had done over 200 articles on how it did not work. The Congressional office of Congressman Denny Smith R Oregon who I worked with had all six of the tests on the DIVAD (supplied by the Underground) showing how it could not hit it’s targets. ( one test the guns where aimed at a car but instead with a gallery of Generals in attendance the DIVAD attacked an outhouse’s ventilation fan on its roof. Remember this is during the 1980’s big military build up and was the first time that a weapon system in production was canceled because it did not work. I forgot the exact cost of the program but it was in the billions of dollars. One of Congressman Smith’s main financial backers where the principles in Evergreen Airlines. In Congress today the only real member left who was serious reform player is Senator Charles Grassley R Iowa. I was not well known to most only the real insiders because most of the stories printed or broadcast that we were involved in did not have our names mentioned.

Edited September 15, 2007 by Paul Hoven

[Tim Gratz]

Mr. Hoven:

Of course we are all glad that you survived your induced heart attack. As an earlier poster commented it sure seems like someone was looking after you!

I am sure you have read Gene Wheaton's comments that Mr. Jenkins was aware of anti-Castro Cubans who shot JFK.

Do you have any information that would either confirm or deny Wheaton's claims, or information that Mr. Jenkins has knowledge of who killed JFK (which is NOT to say his knowledge was BEFORE the assassination or that he had anything to do with it).

Appreciate your reply.

[John Simkin]

Danny Sheehan told me that there 9 or ten of us that had heart attacks and I was the only one that did not die. The only name that I remember was Tom Clines.

I believe Tom Clines is still alive.

What was the date of your heart attack?

Any chance of providing a time-line of your life? With details of what you were up to.

At what point did you get involved in the Daniel Sheehan investigation? What role did Jenkins play in this. I believe he started out as an informant but gave some information that was not true. Was he playing the same role that Dick Billings and Bernardo de Torres played in the Jim Garrison investigation?

[Tim Gratz]

Peter, would you mind commenting on this sentence you wrote in a previous post?

My research has confirmed there are both chemical substances that can induce heart attack and certain frequencies of radio-waves/radiation to do the same

This is obviously a matter of some importance, Peter. So if you do have research re chemicals that can induce heart attacks it would be helpful for you to share the results of your research.

Edited September 14, 2007 by Tim Gratz

[Paul Hoven]

John I will try to answer you first. The Non-profit project that I worked for was formed under the Stewart Motts foundation. Danny Sheehan was on the board of that organization. I knew Danny from January 1981. Went to Christic Institute book parties there. I knew the Jesuit priest Father Bill Davis at the institute. He was the priest sent down to investigate the death of the American filmmaker during the military coup in Chile. The wife of the dead filmmaker was a girl from my home town that I had dated a couple of times in High School. (some coincidences are real)The long and the short of it is that I knew Danny Sheehan for years before Gene or Carl ever heard of him. Danny was on my board of directors and was very supportive of what we were doing at the project. I thought what he and the Christic Institute did in the Karen Silkwood case was commendable.

Like wise I had met Carl and Elisabeth some time before I was introduced to Gene. One of the reasons that I listened to Gene was because I had a friendship with Carl. The night of the party where Gene was introduced to me, Carl Jenkins along with (IW) John Harper introduced me to Gene there was no talk about illegal arms or federal contracts. Carl was the sole speaker with IW and Gene nodding in agreement. What he said was that we had to stop George Bush from becoming President and that the wrong people in Afghanistan where getting our aid.

I knew the people that where the principles in Congress that allocating the money for our support of the Afghans that where fighting the Soviets. Carl said that Gene knew that area of the world and that he could help these people. I don’t recall that the Contra’s where brought at all that evening. I supported aid to the contras so it would never haven discussed as a problem. The Lt.Col. Carl Bernard that I mentioned earlier had a civilian brother in the Pentagon who was running the program that developed weapons for the Afghan fighters. Afghanistan was the only shooting war at the time and so it was the topic of conversation with just about everyone I knew including Carl Jenkins. There were two Congressmen who where the main funders of the Afghans in Congress. Cong. McCullam R Florida and Cong. Wilson D Texas. Von Forest was the main staffer for the Florida congressman and I knew him well. They were also big Israel supporters and had an Israeli citizen on staff ( Steffe Bodansky) as a military expert.

I set up a meeting with a senate staffer that I knew to start to introduce Gene to the network of staffers in congress who where the players in support of the Afghans. It is at this meeting that Gene dropped the bomb shell and after a very short time talking about Afghanistan started taking about the assignation of Americans by Americans. There where 10 examples of assassinations but the one that he spent the more than 50% of time talking about was the Ibex killing in Iran. This proved to be an interesting emphasis because of the ten so called assassinations the Ibex killings was the only where I had access to someone who was there at the time it took place. Remember that up to this point my background and job was dealing with military hardware testing and procurement and the waste in the Defense Budget. My interest in the wars in Afghanistan was in the weapons that where being supplied to the Afghans that would be effective but not giving away technology to the Soviets. The covert nature and the spying component held little interest to me then.

A very close friend of mine’s father was in State Department Counter Intelligence in Tehran when the Ibex Killing took place. And was investigating the case. I talked to him about what I had heard and he confirmed that it was a strange case. The man killed was coming back from the USA after a going home to report massive diversion of funds (stolen) to American Generals that where overseeing the program that had been sold to the Iranian Government. It was a program that the Pentagon had passed on but was then successfully sold to the Iranians. The man was killed immediately after arriving in Tehran. This was not the pattern of either the Moslem or Communist groups trying to topple the Shah’s government. They would stalk for at least two weeks before pulling off an assassination. The actual assassination used a VW bug as a blocking car against the victims Mercedes Benz sedan with a driver and if memory is right the driver was not killed. The big sedan could have easily driven through the VW bug blocking car. The telling information supplied by my friends father was that the Shah’s secret police who where fearless where afraid of this case and kept saying white man in Parse. At this stage I was convinced that Wheaton was telling me the truth. I assumed that the 9 other cases Gene had talked about involved American assassins as well. The senate staffer was scared to death as this was way out of his league and wanted nothing to do with Wheaton after that. This was not my area either but I could not let it go. Knut Royce was a personal friend of mine. He was one of five of us who used to meet once a week at a bar in downtown DC. He then brought in his friend Mike Accoca to help on the story. [i was working on a story about the invasion of Panama as consultant to 60 Minutes with Mike Wallace when Wallace the producer Charlie Thompson and Myself all got violently sick and almost died and Mike Accoca did die.] Knut took the story to Senator John Kerry D Massachusetts. The names that Wheaton mentioned had nothing to do with the Contras based on what Wheaton told me . They where the people that where involved in the assassinations. When Iran Contra became public that October I was shocked because the people mentioned where the same people that Wheaton told me where involved in the ten assassinations of Americans. When I introduced Wheaton to Danny Sheehan the reason was assassinations for my part it had nothing to do with illegal arms shipments to anyone. At that time Danny was looking in to assassinations relative to the Contras and that is why I had the meeting and introduced Wheaton to Sheehan. As I said before I was not opposed to aid to the Contras and would not have had the meeting between the two of them if that was the subject. At some point in those first few months after meeting Wheaton I had a meeting set up with the man who I had originally talked to about Wheaton and the Ibex assassination. After the meeting with the State Department Counter Intelligence Officer (he also held a Lt. Col. Rank in the Army) he advised his son ( a Republican Senate staffer) and myself to not deal with Wheaton anymore. He said that he did not believe Wheaton was on the level.

Jenkins never once mentioned contracts with me and he never indicated that he was involved in the JFK assassination. Remember his wife was on active duty at CIA. Both he and his wife were very bright people and Carl was a professional case officer with decades of service. And Carl was smarter than Wheaton in my estimation. In a million years I can not see him admitting to any part in the assassination of JFK to an outsider if he had played a role. Especially to an outsider like Wheaton. Gene like myself was an outsider. He had non agency bon fides for his work in the Army and I believe that he may have played a role in IW Harpers escape from Libya after IW attempted to assassinate Kaddafi. ( blew up a plane Kaddafi was to board but Kaddafi changed his mind at the last minute. A bunch of his East German bodyguards where killed however.) I was accepted because I had served in Viet Nam as an Army Helicopter Pilot. And I had been recruited to fly for Air America, I turned them down because I thought I had used up all my luck. But in certain areas you where still considered an outsider.

If Jenkins wanted it known to the world that he planned, trained, etc. the people that killed JFK why not tell me rather than Wheaton. I was dealing on a day to day basis with over 300 plus journalists and in the beginning Wheaton with none. More important I had credibility with them all where Wheaton was a total unknown to them.

I was not happy with Sheehan’s final document. I had no first hand information about the actions that where in the document. And I was never told that I would be listed as a source. Plus his description of me did nothing to protect me. I was listed as a Army Helicopter Pilot in Viet Nam and a Military Reformer, that described a universe of exactly one person in DC at that time. Two days after it was out I was having lunch with a reporter that I had never dealt with before and after introductions she said, “oh you must be the number 48 (I believe that was the number) source in Sheehan’s suit“. The pay off came a week later when Ted Shakley showed up on my doorstep with a shaved headed gorilla about six foot four that looked like someone out of a terminator movies and wanted to talk about Sheehan’s suit.

Edited September 15, 2007 by Paul Hoven

[Paul Hoven]

As I mentioned earlier Carl Jenkins was not happy with what was going on at the White House with Ollie North. I find it hard to believe that Wheaton would list Carl as part of Ollie North Network. I am sure that the bureaucracy at Langley was not crazy about it either. You most remember that the US Army had gotten big time in the spy intelligence game back then also. Again I can imagine the real intelligence agencies where not pleased with this new comer. And then “ Yellow Fruit” was destroyed piece by piece on the front pages of the Washington Post. I believe this totally destroyed the Armies ploy and reduced them back to battlefield intelligence. Part of the pay back may have been the charges brought against Seal Team 6 leadership and the ultimate prison sentence of its founder and leader. Part of the problem with reporters and especially the lefts true believers is that they forget that CIA is not the only intelligence Agency in town. And like our military services their biggest enemies are not foreign organizations but each other as they fight for the most important goal “budget share“. Remember that when CIA was formed that they displaced Naval Intelligence as the most important intelligence agency and since then when ever an admiral is in charge the CIA it is on the downside.

[James Richards]

Paul,

Did Carl Jenkins ever mention his relationship with Javier Souto? Rafael Quintero and Souto were close back in the days and relationships between them all were maintained through the years.

Souto is currently the Miami-Dade County Commissioner representing District 10.

Check him out here - http://www.javiersouto.com/

So for our Floridian members, maybe thay can contact Mr. Souto and ask him about Carl Jenkins and Rafael Quintero? Before I forget, Souto carries some political weight and threw his support behind John McCain for President.

Good luck.

James

[Stuart Wexler]

Is John Harper still alive to your knowledge? Do you know where he may be or the best way to contact him?

-Stuart Wexler

[Paul Hoven]

15 Sept. 2007

Stuart, last year I was visiting with an old friend who had been partnered with IW during the Cuban adventure. He said that IW was bankrupt and living with one of his children in Hawaii. Back in the Danny Sheehan days IW owned a bait and tackle shop located on Hwy. 50 in Northern Virginia. He got involved with a Pawn Broker from Maryland and in a couple of years he had lost his share of the business. And shortly after that his wife and he moved to Hawaii to be near his adult children. If you tracked him down I doubt that he would talk to you. He was not much of a talker even with his friends, and all of his friends where in the agency. I met him on a number of times but could not say I knew him. Much of what I know of him was from people that worked with him. He was a legendary shot with a pistol but barely accurate with a rifle. In the technical service he was a great bomb maker, a real natural with explosives. The kind of natural skills from a sort of back woods boy from Louisiana. I told he was the bag man when we purchased the new Soviet man portable ground to air missile in the middle of the war from a North Vietnamese General. And during the fall of Saigon he taped a Mac 10 submachine gun to his hand so he would not drop it if he was shot as he tried to rescue his Vietnamese people so they could be evacuated. IW was the kind of guy you wanted with you when you entered a dark alley or where going to war.

[John Simkin]

I assumed that the 9 other cases Gene had talked about involved American assassins as well. The senate staffer was scared to death as this was way out of his league and wanted nothing to do with Wheaton after that. This was not my area either but I could not let it go. Knut Royce was a personal friend of mine. He was one of five of us who used to meet once a week at a bar in downtown DC. He then brought in his friend Mike Accoca to help on the story. [i was working on a story about the invasion of Panama as consultant to 60 Minutes with Mike Wallace when Wallace the producer Charlie Thompson and Myself all got violently sick and almost died and Mike Accoca did die.]

Have you got a date for Accoca's death? Do you think it was connected to your investigation?

In her book "Out of Control" Leslie Cockburn describes you as "a much-decorated Vietnam helicopter pilot who had settled in Washington to fight for military reform". Could you add some details to this statement.

When did you join the armed forces?

When and where were you born?

[Tim Gratz]

John,

I suggest Mr. Hoven deserves a thread of his own!

[Tim Gratz]

Peter wrote, in response to my request that he in fact had research that indicated that a chemical could be used to induce a heart attack:

Why, planning on using it on someone? Someone once asked me about poisons and I didn't respond in detail on that either. I trained in Environmental Toxicology. The info is in the technical literature. Some things are best left off the Forum IMO. It was my 'research of the literature' and not that I worked on research on the methods FWIW

Peter, your response was not unanticipated and has merit (if true).

But I suggest there IS a way you can demonstrate to me (and others) that you were not just "blowing smoke", I will talk to the Chief of the KWPD, who is interested in the JFK case) and make arrangements for you to send him either at his e-mail address or through confidential snail mail, the proof of your research. Since we can assume HE will not put the information to sinister use, he can them confirm the existence of your research.

I therefore request that you post a reply on this Forum that you are willing to do this.

Unless you can back up your statement, I will have some doubts about your claim to knowledge of a chemical agent that can induce heart attacks. No reflection on you, Peter, as you recall even Thomas had some doubts until he was shown the proof.

Edited September 16, 2007 by Tim Gratz