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Myra Bronstein

"If Teddy knew the bear trap he was walking into at Chappaquiddick. . . ."

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"John Dean summed it up when he said to Richard Nixon as recorded on the White House tapes in 1973: "If Teddy knew the bear trap he was walking into at Chappaquiddick. . . .""

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ToA/ToAchp7.html

http://www.geocities.com/zzzpeace/nixon.htm

I take this to mean Ted drove into a trap to frame him. How else could this be taken? (I'm really asking.) And given the context, with two of his brothers murdered, I see no reason to doubt that Ted Kennedy was framed.

And what about the airplane crash a few years earlier in which Ted was the only survivor, and was seriously injured?

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Myra, how else indeed can it be explained, add to this Nixons references to the "Bay of Pigs" whenever he talked about the assassination, his presence in Dallas on the day, and the three extant stories about when he first heard of the assassination, all of them different, and you can only conclude that Nixon, and people around him were up to their necks in plots against the Kennedys.

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Myra,

I was just reading Sprague's book and made a not to start a thread about Dean's statement, it seems that you beat me to it by a few months.

There is not much that I can add to this thread except to give the reference to Dean's statement and concur with what has already been said. White House tapes pg121

I spoke briefly with John Dean on the phone during the summer, I would not believe that he would welsome a call from an unknown student on this matter.

It would seem that John Dean was aware of the trap set for Ted Kennedy after the fact. The way in which he discusses it with Nixon seems to suggest that his words were said in pity of Kennedy. If he was indeed expressing his regret that this happened to Kennedy, then Nixon himself may not have been the instigator of the Chappaquiddick affair as Sprague theorizes in 'The taking of American 1-2-3'. Would others argee with my conclusion?

John

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Myra,

I was just reading Sprague's book and made a not to start a thread about Dean's statement, it seems that you beat me to it by a few months.

There is not much that I can add to this thread except to give the reference to Dean's statement and concur with what has already been said. White House tapes pg121

I spoke briefly with John Dean on the phone during the summer, I would not believe that he would welsome a call from an unknown student on this matter.

It would seem that John Dean was aware of the trap set for Ted Kennedy after the fact. The way in which he discusses it with Nixon seems to suggest that his words were said in pity of Kennedy. If he was indeed expressing his regret that this happened to Kennedy, then Nixon himself may not have been the instigator of the Chappaquiddick affair as Sprague theorizes in 'The taking of American 1-2-3'. Would others argee with my conclusion?

John

Just a side bar, after reading Matthew Smiths "Conspiracy*The Plot to Stop the Kennedys", is very good reading leading up to the Chappaqiddick affair and how he was set up. {if you beleive that scenerio}.

just my opinion FWIW

thanks-smitty

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Relevant passage from Len Colodny and Robert Gettlin, Silent Coup: The Removal of Richard Nixon (1991):

If a senator made a speech against the president's policies in regard to Vietnam, Nixon would issue an order to Haldeman: "Put a twenty-four-hour surveillance on that bastard."

Why a surveillance? To obtain deleterious information that could be used against the senator. Nixon liked that sort of secret, intrigue related intelligence, and fostered an environment within the White House that put a premium on it. The president believed that the domestic information-gathering arms of the government - the FBI and other federal policing agencies - could not be counted on to undertake confidential assignments of the sort he had in mind. J. Edgar Hoover, Nixon believed, had files on everybody, but even though Hoover often cooperated with Nixon, the FBI director was reluctant to release any of those files to Nixon even after he became president, just as reluctant as Director Richard Helms would be in 1971 to release the CIA's Bay of Pigs files when Nixon instructed him to do so.

And so, just weeks after Nixon's inauguration, the president directed White House counsel John Ehrlichman to hire a private eye. "He wanted somebody who could do chores for him that a federal employee could not do," Ehrlichman says. "Nixon was demanding information on certain things that I couldn't get through government channels because it would have been questionable." What sort of investigations? "Of the Kennedys, for example," Ehrlichman wrote in Witness to Power.

Ehrlichman quickly found a candidate, a well-decorated, forty year-old Irish New York City cop, John J. Caulfield. Caulfield had been a member of the NYPD and its undercover unit, the Bureau of Special Services and Investigations (BOSSI). He had made cases against dissident and terrorist organizations, and BOSSI as a whole was known for its ability to penetrate and keep track of left-wing and black groups. One of the unit's jobs was to work closely with the Secret Service and guard political dignitaries and world leaders who frequently moved through the city. During the 1960 election, Caulfield had been assigned to the security detail of candidate Richard Nixon. He had befriended Nixon's personal secretary, Rose Mary Woods, and her brother Joe, the sheriff of Cook County, Illinois. In 1968, after leaving the New York City Police Department, Caulfield had served as a security man for the Nixon campaign.

But when Ehrlichman approached him in early 1969 and asked Caulfield to set up a private security firm to provide services for the Nixon White House, Caulfield declined, and instead suggested that he join Ehrlichman's staff and then, as a White House employee, supervise another man who would be hired solely as a private eye. Ehrlichman agreed, and when Caulfield arrived at the White House to start work in April 1969, he said he had the ideal candidate for presidential gumshoe, a BOSSI colleague, Anthony Ulasewicz.

In May 1969, Ehrlichman and Caulfield flew to New York and met Ulasewicz in the American Airlines VIP lounge at LaGuardia Airport. Ulasewicz was ten years older than Caulfield, just as streetwise, and even saltier, with a thick accent picked up from his youth on the Lower East Side and twenty-six years of pounding the pavement on his beats. He was told in the VIP lounge that he would operate under a veil of tight secrecy. He would receive orders only from Caulfield though he could assume that those came from Ehrlichman, who would, in turn, be acting on instructions from the president. Ulasewicz would keep no files and submit no written reports; he later wrote in his memoirs that Ehrlichman said to him, "You'll be allowed no mistakes. There will be no support for you whatsoever from the White House if you're exposed." Ulasewicz refused an offer of six months' work, and insisted on a full year, with the understanding that there would be no written contract, just a verbal guarantee. It was also agreed that to keep everything away from the White House, Ulasewicz would work through an outside attorney. In late June 1969, Caulfield directed Ulasewicz to come to Washington and meet a man named Herbert W. Kalmbach at the Madison Hotel. Kalmbach was Nixon's personal attorney in California, and he told Tony that he would be paid $22,000 a year, plus expenses, and that the checks would come from Kalmbach to Tony's home in New York. To avoid putting the private eye on the government payroll, Kalmbach was to pay him out of a war chest of unspent Nixon campaign funds. Ulasewicz requested and was promised credit cards in his own name and in that of a nom de guerre, Edward T Stanley. Shortly, he started on his first job for the Nixon White House. One day after Senator Edward M. Kennedy's car plunged off a bridge, killing a young woman, Tony Ulasewicz was at Chappaquiddick, Massachusetts, posing as a reporter, asking a lot of questions and taking photographs. He stayed a week, and phoned reports to Caulfield thrice daily.

Thereafter, he crisscrossed the country, investigating whatever the president or his subordinates thought proper targets for information such Democrats as George Wallace, Hubert Humphrey, Edmund Muskie, Vance Hartke, William Proxmire, and Carl Albert, Republican representatives John Ashbrook and Paul McCloskey, antiwar groups, entertainers, think tanks, reporters, even members of Nixon's own family.

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And what about the airplane crash a few years earlier in which Ted was the only survivor, and was seriously injured?

Chappaquiddick was Ted's "assassination," in my opinion. But we've lost a lot of political people in small plane crashes. Ted survived with a broken back. But was the crash an attempt to kill Ted Kennedy?

There's a photo on the Internet of John Kennedy Jr, being hauled onto a boat. I keep thinking of Ted Kennedy that awful day, having to identify the body. How does he keep going? I would have thought that John Jr's death would be about all he could take.

Kathy

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And why is not Ted talking about his frame up?...because it was a good job and he has no guts nor valor for himself or his murdered brothers.

It is my opinion that Ted is not speaking out because of death threats against members of the Kennedy family. What do you think of the death of John Kennedy Jr? It's just pure evil against that family. I think Ted has done a great job for his constituents and the United States as Senator all these years.

Kathy

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And why is not Ted talking about his frame up?...because it was a good job and he has no guts nor valor for himself or his murdered brothers.

It is my opinion that Ted is not speaking out because of death threats against members of the Kennedy family. What do you think of the death of John Kennedy Jr? It's just pure evil against that family. I think Ted has done a great job for his constituents and the United States as Senator all these years.

Kathy

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"What do you think of the death of John Kennedy Jr? It's just pure evil against that family."

Hi Kathy. I agree with your premises. I would like to ask for any references, other than what has been provided on this thread so far, you can list regarding the JFK Jr. death in terms of links, articles, etc. I'm quite interested and I am sure others here would be, also.

Kudos to Myra. Most have forgotten the airplane crash in Western Massachusetts in 1964 - less than a year after the JFK assassination - in which Ted nearly was killed. The pilot and one of Kennedy's aides were killed.

Thank you.

JohnG

Edited by John Gillespie

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And why is not Ted talking about his frame up?...because it was a good job and he has no guts nor valor for himself or his murdered brothers.

It is my opinion that Ted is not speaking out because of death threats against members of the Kennedy family. What do you think of the death of John Kennedy Jr? It's just pure evil against that family. I think Ted has done a great job for his constituents and the United States as Senator all these years.

Kathy

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"What do you think of the death of John Kennedy Jr? It's just pure evil against that family."

Hi Kathy. I agree with your premises. I would like to ask for any references, other than what has been provided on this thread so far, you can list regarding the JFK Jr. death in terms of links, articles, etc. I'm quite interested and I am sure others here would be, also.

Kudos to Myra. Most have forgotten the airplane crash in Western Massachusetts in 1964 - less than a year after the JFK assassination - in which Ted nearly was killed. The pilot and one of Kennedy's aides were killed.

Thank you.

JohnG

John, about the murder of John Kennedy, Jr, I received most of my information from a professional report that tomflocco.com published. It's a must read and is fascinating. I haven't been to his site in awhile, but somewhere he'll have it. Findadeath.com has a photo of John Jr. being loaded on the boat. I can't see how Ted could have survived that sight.

Robert Cutler wrote a book on Ted Kennedy and I believe in that book the author says how he was set up by the CIA. E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis were seen in Martha's Vineyard that weekend -- conversation with Rich DellaRosa of jfkresearch.com. There was a boat Regatta or race that weekend.

Kathy

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And why is not Ted talking about his frame up?...because it was a good job and he has no guts nor valor for himself or his murdered brothers.

It is my opinion that Ted is not speaking out because of death threats against members of the Kennedy family. What do you think of the death of John Kennedy Jr? It's just pure evil against that family. I think Ted has done a great job for his constituents and the United States as Senator all these years.

Kathy

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"What do you think of the death of John Kennedy Jr? It's just pure evil against that family."

Hi Kathy. I agree with your premises. I would like to ask for any references, other than what has been provided on this thread so far, you can list regarding the JFK Jr. death in terms of links, articles, etc. I'm quite interested and I am sure others here would be, also.

Kudos to Myra. Most have forgotten the airplane crash in Western Massachusetts in 1964 - less than a year after the JFK assassination - in which Ted nearly was killed. The pilot and one of Kennedy's aides were killed.

Thank you.

JohnG

John,

I've been independently looking into the JFK, Jr. death for the past few years. There isn't much out there on the internet (and nothing in any of the establishment press). You can find the stuff that is there by googling Newshawk, John Quinn, John DiNardo and Anthony Hilder, and at least some of the articles they wrote at the time of his death and in the immediate aftermath should still be out there. BTW, I emailed a couple of the local reporters from a t.v. station in New England (sorry, don't have the call letters in front of me) last year, and one of them actually brought up the fact that he'd always suspected something was "wrong" with the official story of JFK, Jr's plane crash. I emailed him some followup questions, and when he never replied, tried again last month, but he seems to be ignoring me now. The other reporter, who anchored their coverage, sent me a long reply which totally supported the official story.

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And why is not Ted talking about his frame up?...because it was a good job and he has no guts nor valor for himself or his murdered brothers.

It is my opinion that Ted is not speaking out because of death threats against members of the Kennedy family. What do you think of the death of John Kennedy Jr? It's just pure evil against that family. I think Ted has done a great job for his constituents and the United States as Senator all these years.

Kathy

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"What do you think of the death of John Kennedy Jr? It's just pure evil against that family."

Hi Kathy. I agree with your premises. I would like to ask for any references, other than what has been provided on this thread so far, you can list regarding the JFK Jr. death in terms of links, articles, etc. I'm quite interested and I am sure others here would be, also.

Kudos to Myra. Most have forgotten the airplane crash in Western Massachusetts in 1964 - less than a year after the JFK assassination - in which Ted nearly was killed. The pilot and one of Kennedy's aides were killed.

Thank you.

JohnG

John,

I've been independently looking into the JFK, Jr. death for the past few years. There isn't much out there on the internet (and nothing in any of the establishment press). You can find the stuff that is there by googling Newshawk, John Quinn, John DiNardo and Anthony Hilder, and at least some of the articles they wrote at the time of his death and in the immediate aftermath should still be out there. BTW, I emailed a couple of the local reporters from a t.v. station in New England (sorry, don't have the call letters in front of me) last year, and one of them actually brought up the fact that he'd always suspected something was "wrong" with the official story of JFK, Jr's plane crash. I emailed him some followup questions, and when he never replied, tried again last month, but he seems to be ignoring me now. The other reporter, who anchored their coverage, sent me a long reply which totally supported the official story.

Thanks for that report Don. I consider it a certainty that JFK Jr's death was a murder. There's no Kennedy curse; there's just the fact that the fascists hate the Kennedys and know they couldn't beat any of them in a fair election. His death had all the telltale signs: early news reports being scrubbed and replaced with accounts blaming the victim and failing to follow up on earlier accounts, the failure to search for his missing plane sooner, the good weather conditions reported as bad, the good pilot reported as bad, the likelihood that he'd run for office and be unbeatable and the certainty that he'd investigate his father's death,...

Plus the context--father murdered, uncle murdered, uncle barely surviving one or two murder attempts... He was murdered. And Fortunate Son was missing during that time. Like murderous father like murderous son.

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There's no Kennedy curse; there's just the fact that the fascists hate the Kennedys and know they couldn't beat any of them in a fair election.

It has to be remembered that in 1940 Joe Kennedy's critics considered him to be a neo-fascist. To describe the opponents of the Kennedy's as fascists is as relevant as the far right calling JFK a "communist". Do you really mean "fascists" or is it your way of describing a group of people you don't like?

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I've been thinking about a problem with the theory that Ted was set up and Mary Jo murdered. How would the killers know that Ted and Mary Jo would leave the party together? Or how could they possibly arrange for them to do so?

Here's one possibility. Ted was told to get with Mary Jo that night and warn her not to reveal anything she knew about the JFK assassination. The book Ultimate Sacrifice suggests one possible motive for the Kennedys themselves to have participated in the JFK assassination coverup. One can think of other dirty secrets as well that a real investigation would bring to light. But imagine the effect on Ted's presidential hopes if his and Bobby's complicity in the coverup came to light.

So someone told Ted to get Mary Jo alone that night and talk to her about what she knew. Whoever told Ted to do that, set him up.

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