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[Pat Speer]

Robin, I usually post on a computer different than the one I use to make images. Will have to go back and try to figure out how to post images on this site.

And you are correct. I over-stated how obvious it is to non JFK researchers. In replaying the scenarios in my mind, I have usually coached them a little.

It usually goes something like this.

Me: Do me a favor. Take a look at this.

Friend: Yikes!!! What is that?

Me: It's an autopsy photo of Kennedy's skull with his brain pulled out.

Friend: Wow! That's disgusting. Let me see here uhh...

Me: Some people say the photo is taken from behind and some say it's taken from the front.

Friend: Well, that seems to be his neck lines there.

Me: That's what I think.

Friend: Well, how can anyone say that photo was taken from the front?

Me: They say that's his forehead there, with his scalp pulled over here.

Friend: Oh, I see. Well, I dunno. How do they explain the neck lines?

Me: They either ignore them or say that they're a towel.

Friend: A towel? What a bunch of crap!

Me: And what about this? Do you see this?

Friend: That's the bullet hole, right?

Me: You say that's a bullet hole near the neck lines. I say that's a bullet hole near the neck lines. But you won't find a single book acknowledging that that bullet hole even exists.

Friend: You're kidding me!

Me: No, I'm not. Now do you see how I got sucked into this?

Friend: Sounds like you should just drop the whole thing. Sounds like no one wants to see what's right in front of their face.

Repeat this scenario approximately 15 times over the past year...

Edited January 9, 2006 by Pat Speer

[John Dolva]

Pat, here is a reason to question the neck marks. See the corner of both of these images.

EDIT:: see below for image.

Edited January 8, 2006 by John Dolva

[Robin Unger]

Thanks Pat.

Is it possible that the reflection in the stainless steel table showing this area of the arm and glove, when viewed in a Large "blow up" could have been Mis-interpreted as creases in a NECK. ?

In the interpretation that i put forward you can identify the glass specimen jar which some of the autopsy doctors mentioned in there testimony

QUOTE:

Hi Robin

F8 has caused many problems, I believe, because it has often been published/printed sideways.

Most of the Fox photos appear to have been taken with longer edges of the photos along the top and bottom. They are not square photos. But F8 is often printed, I believe mistakenly, with the shorter edges at the top and bottom.

With the longer edges at the top and bottom, you have a better orientation of the specimen jar in the photo. In the overlay, you can see it at the far left, near the upper left corner.

Hi John.

I'm not sure i understand exactly what you are trying to point out in your post. ?

Edited January 8, 2006 by Robin Unger

[John Dolva]

Here is the image with the are of creases I'm assuming Pat is talking about bordered and enhanced. As you can see it recurs in the second image. Also here are the areas that appear to be cropped coloured blue. To have these cropped areas would help a lot.

[Robin Unger]

Here is the image with the are of creases I'm assuming Pat is talking about bordered and enhanced. As you can see it recurs in the second image. Also here are the areas that appear to be cropped coloured blue. To have these cropped areas would help a lot.

John.

This is said by some to represent the creases in the area at the back of the NECK.

The DARK area to the left IMO is blood oozing from the open cranium on to the stainless steel table.

[John Dolva]

Please refer to the image I posted::

You might agree with me that : if you look at the creases to the right of F( bordered area it appears that one of the creases overlays the perimeter of the skull.

To me this means that the creases are in front of the skull.

There is nothing in front of the skull between the film and the skull except air and lens.

The only thing unless it is a later blemish (which is strange for it to recur on both of these images) is that it is a ghost image caused by particular light conditions that are refracted by the lens onto the film.

The image that clearly shows the edge of the autopsy table seems to indicate that this is caused by light reflecting off the curved stainless steel, possibly involving droplets of liquid that would magnify and distort.

By inference then the headwound image* can have its 'blemish' interpreted.

(give me a mo and I'll look at the blood ooze)

[Robin Unger]

Pat.

This quote is from the Lancer Autopsy Image Page, it refferences the " Y " incision in the F8 PHOTO which one researcher reffered too.

QUOTE:

08 - View of Posterior Occipital Region with Scalp Reflected. In the lower right corner, the back of the neck with a few creases is discernible.

The uncropped archives version shows the body after the "Y" incision in this photo

http://www.jfklancer.com/aphotos.html

[Robin Unger]

John.

That curved reflection in the Stainless steel autopsy table in the back of the head photo has bugged me for a long time.

I did at one time, think it may be the reflection of a light fitting on the ceiling. !

Very Large image:

[John Dolva]

I prefer (for myself) at this point to not make any conclusions. In fact I choose to totally ignore implications but rather go along with the old sherlock holmes dictum about eliminating the impossible and to see what's left. Again and again I come up against the missing parts of the images as being theones to throw light on doubt. Which of course ties in to the whole conspiracy thing. It appears to me that these crops are on what was released to whoever made the copies we have today. Why would this person do this?? The suggestion that it is to promote a particular viewpoint by hiding that which would show said viewpoint to clearly be wrong is a reason that makes sense to me.

There are different ways to deal with doubt. One may get rid of it by ignoring that which causes the doubt. Or one may face it no matter how uncomfortable it may be. One way of reducing the discomfort is to ditch pre judice.

I think it needs to be accepted that unless fundamental benchmarks are clarified, any conclusions based on them will only amplify and prolong the doubt.

Would you agree that an orientation suggestion that has unanswered 'bugs' is not complete?

If so, I think we are on to something good here. Ingredients being 3 of us who have a real interest to resolve all this.

Continuing to address these doubts involves being wrong and changing one's mind back and forth, the end result is worth it IMO

[Robin Unger]

Edited January 8, 2006 by Robin Unger

[John Dolva]

The color image provides some of the missing parts to the puzzle so it doesn't matter if it's tinted or not.

In the top corner in the dark strip is one of the drainage holes of the table top.

Lining up the metal collar( D ) of the stirrup visible on the left with this drainage hole( C )identifies edge of shoulder( B ) , cheek( A ) and a piece of the eye brow( E ) including the shadow at the temple.

Here it's placed on a photo of kennedy in ROUGHLY the right orientation which is put on the top of head autopsy photo.

So :

A large posterior right wound.

Edited January 8, 2006 by John Dolva

[Robin Unger]

The color image provides some of the missing parts to the puzzle so it doesn't matter if it's tinted or not.

In the top corner in the dark strip is one of the drainage holes of the table top.

Lining up the metal collar( D ) of the stirrup visible on the left with this drainage hole( C )identifies edge of shoulder( B ) , cheek( A ) and a piece of the eye brow( E ) including the shadow at the temple.

Here it's placed on a photo of kennedy in ROUGHLY the right orientation which is put on the top of head autopsy photo.

So :

A large posterior right wound.

John.

That is almost identical to the orientation i arrived at in the Images i posted yesterday.

[John Dolva]

The color image provides some of the missing parts to the puzzle so it doesn't matter if it's tinted or not.

In the top corner in the dark strip is one of the drainage holes of the table top.

Lining up the metal collar( D ) of the stirrup visible on the left with this drainage hole( C )identifies edge of shoulder( B ) , cheek( A ) and a piece of the eye brow( E ) including the shadow at the temple.

Here it's placed on a photo of kennedy in ROUGHLY the right orientation which is put on the top of head autopsy photo.

So :

A large posterior right wound.

John.

That is almost identical to the orientation i arrived at in the Images i posted yesterday.

Interesting we got there by different paths. I solely took what I could see outside Kennedy's head and lined that up, and lo. there we are. I understand you analysed the wound itself? Let's wait to see what Pat has to say.

I couldn't make any suggestion until I found some more of what was cropped out. I'm still not 100% on it. But I think it's a good start. (I'd like to see more of the bits that are cropped out.)

[Robin Unger]

[John Dolva]

Here is the image with the are of creases I'm assuming Pat is talking about bordered and enhanced. As you can see it recurs in the second image. Also here are the areas that appear to be cropped coloured blue. To have these cropped areas would help a lot.