One Giant Spotlight For All Mankind

[Jack White]

* edited to add a message from Jack to Dave .... Your typical non like- for- like comparison does not apply once again .

Jack, you really must put this stuff in context. The photo I posted was simply to point out to Duane, before he wasted his time, that far-off mountains can appear different to the foreground. For you to post a photo alongside it then accuse me of not using a like-for-like comparison, is, how can I put it... plain daft?

Typical poor comprehension. I accused you of NOTHING. I typed

ONLY FOUR WORDS...

"...and your point is?"

...and you say I am daft?

Jack

Edited December 8, 2007 by Jack White

[Evan Burton]

But Neil Armstrong has had his fair share of dealings with Sibrel. Bart tried to corner Neil during a stockholders meeting in 2001. He also trespassed into the Armstrong home:

Even before the EDO and Aldrin incidents, the same individual entered uninvited into the Armstrong's suburban Cincinnati home. Neil's second wife Caro, relates what happened: "Neil was at the office. This guy knocked at the door and there was a big dog with him, and he had a package. I opened the outside door while leaving the screen door shut, and the man said, 'Is Neil here?' I said, 'No, he's not. May I help you?' He opened the screen door and just walked in, bringing his dog with him. He said, 'I want him to sign this,' and I said , 'Neil doesn't sign things anymore.' 'He'll sign this,' he uttered, and then left.

"It sort of hit me three minutes later. All of a sudden I felt shaky."

In the weeks that followed, the interloper started putting letters and other things in the Armstrong's mailbox. Some of the material had religious overtones and most were about the Moon landings being faked. The local police department responded, "It's probably nothing but why don't you just bring the tapes and letters and we'll take a look at them," until a call to the ABC station in Nashville revealed that he had never worked there, but was instead an independent filmmaker who operated a business called ABC video. [Sibrel would misrepresent himself, telling people he was from the ABC - EB]

A few weeks later, Carol received a phone call from her neighbour: "Carol, there's this car parked out here and it's been out here for a long time." When the neighbour went to investigate, she saw a lot of camera equipment in the back seat. The seige continued for three days, culminating in a car chase involving the Armstrongs, the intruder, and the police.

Source: FIRST MAN, James R. Hansen, Chapter 34

[Dave Greer]

Typical poor comprehension. I accused you of NOTHING. I typed

ONLY FOUR WORDS...

"...and your point is?"

...and you say I am daft?

Jack

Then why did Duane say he editted his post to add a message from you to me saying "Your typical non like- for- like comparison does not apply once again"?

[Dave Greer]

I will get to those real vs. fake Apollo 17 photos in my next post ... and also show some photos with the obvious dividing line between the moonset foreground and the painted backdrops .

Just to clarify my point, so there is no mis-understanding.

I can quite easily claim that this photo shows an obvious dividing line (which I've made doubly obvious by drawing it in red), between the "dried-up-lake set" foreground and the "painted/greenscreen/rear-projected" mountain backdrops.

You need to show a much higher standard of evidence than "I see an obvious dividing line", because that simply isn't proof of anything - as the image I posted shows.

That, Jack, is my point, as succinctly as I can put it.

[Jack White]

Typical poor comprehension. I accused you of NOTHING. I typed

ONLY FOUR WORDS...

"...and your point is?"

...and you say I am daft?

Jack

Then why did Duane say he editted his post to add a message from you to me saying "Your typical non like- for- like comparison does not apply once again"?

Ask Duane. It is obvious that he wrote that, not me.

Jack

[Evan Burton]

Typical poor comprehension. I accused you of NOTHING. I typed

ONLY FOUR WORDS...

"...and your point is?"

...and you say I am daft?

Jack

Then why did Duane say he editted his post to add a message from you to me saying "Your typical non like- for- like comparison does not apply once again"?

Ask Duane. It is obvious that he wrote that, not me.

Jack

Thus the reason for my asking Duane to let you post your own studies, rather than him.

I appreciate the problems you are having with the Forum because of your OS, but if someone uploads the images you supply to a website (e.g. Photobucket) for you, you can then link to them no matter what. No OS upgrade required, and no reason for others to post on your behalf.

Edited December 9, 2007 by Evan Burton

[Dave Greer]

Typical poor comprehension. I accused you of NOTHING. I typed

ONLY FOUR WORDS...

"...and your point is?"

...and you say I am daft?

Jack

Then why did Duane say he editted his post to add a message from you to me saying "Your typical non like- for- like comparison does not apply once again"?

Ask Duane. It is obvious that he wrote that, not me.

Jack

Jack, I don't really care a great deal if Duane got sloppy with his quotes, if you didn't say that then fair enough. You should at least be capable of understanding why anyone would think you had, because it appeared to be a direct quote from you to me. If you think Duane is mis-quoting you, then you should take it up with him, not me.

Anyway, I'll wait until Duane posts what he considers evidence of a painted backdrop before taking this one further.

[Duane Daman]

But Neil Armstrong has had his fair share of dealings with Sibrel. Bart tried to corner Neil during a stockholders meeting in 2001. He also trespassed into the Armstrong home:

Even before the EDO and Aldrin incidents, the same individual entered uninvited into the Armstrong's suburban Cincinnati home. Neil's second wife Caro, relates what happened: "Neil was at the office. This guy knocked at the door and there was a big dog with him, and he had a package. I opened the outside door while leaving the screen door shut, and the man said, 'Is Neil here?' I said, 'No, he's not. May I help you?' He opened the screen door and just walked in, bringing his dog with him. He said, 'I want him to sign this,' and I said , 'Neil doesn't sign things anymore.' 'He'll sign this,' he uttered, and then left.

"It sort of hit me three minutes later. All of a sudden I felt shaky."

In the weeks that followed, the interloper started putting letters and other things in the Armstrong's mailbox. Some of the material had religious overtones and most were about the Moon landings being faked. The local police department responded, "It's probably nothing but why don't you just bring the tapes and letters and we'll take a look at them," until a call to the ABC station in Nashville revealed that he had never worked there, but was instead an independent filmmaker who operated a business called ABC video. [Sibrel would misrepresent himself, telling people he was from the ABC - EB]

A few weeks later, Carol received a phone call from her neighbour: "Carol, there's this car parked out here and it's been out here for a long time." When the neighbour went to investigate, she saw a lot of camera equipment in the back seat. The seige continued for three days, culminating in a car chase involving the Armstrongs, the intruder, and the police.

Source: FIRST MAN, James R. Hansen, Chapter 34

What a strange story for Armstrong to have included in his "autobiography" ' First Man' .

There was no proof that I read , where this was really Sibrel and even if it was , so what ? ..The only reason I can see for this questionable senerio to have even made the book is to make conspiracy researchers and those who want to know the truth about Apollo , look bad .... This is the typical character assassination that the pro Apollo camp always uses to make look CT's look like "nutjobs " ... and the fact that this is in Armstrong's book shows just how frightened they really are of these people ...Not because they think they are in any kind of physical danger , but because they are afraid that their hoax will be exposed .... To quote Neil when Bart asked him to swear on the Bible that he had really walked on the Moon ..

"Mr. Sibrel , you don't deserve any answers ."

Really ? ... I wonder who does deserve answers then ? ... I also wonder why Armstrong's handlers quickly ushered him out of the room , instead of allowing him to face Sibrel and tell him that he really did walk on the Moon , regardless of the fact that millions of peope all over the world believe otherwise !

I don't mean to waste bandwidth by posting a picture I have already posted , but in this case I think it's important that people really look at this picture to see just how proud Armstrong was of his alleged accomplishments of being the "first man on the Moon "... So proud that he stood in the BACK ROW scowling at the camera , obviously refusing to join his Apollo 11 crew mates who were positioned front and center for this ridiculous photo op .

In fact if you look at all of the astronaut's faces , not many of them look very happy , which is also very strange , considering they were getting their pictures taken for the 10th Anniversary of the "greatest achievement known to mankind " .... Right .

Sorry about the confusion of who wrote what in my last post ... I should have made it clearer that Jack's words were only in his study and that it was me who told Dave that his typical non like-for-like comparisons of a picture taken on Earth do not apply to the faked Apollo moonset photography .

Edited December 10, 2007 by Duane Daman

[Evan Burton]

You have to consider that Armstrong's statements are not alone; Sibrel has done similar things to all of the astronauts.

(BTW, it's a biography, not an AUTObiography, and was included in the chapter where Hansen talks about Armstrong's status as an icon, how he has dealt with it, the pitfalls, etc)

Now, if Armstrong had acceded to Sibrel's wishes, what would that have achieved? Whenever astronauts have done so, Sibrel just calls them liars. What did Sibrel himself say? That if Aldrin had sworn on the Bible, he was going to bring a charge of 'obtaining monies through deceit' against Aldrin (Sibrel said swear on the Bible, and I'll donate ?$1000? (IIRC) to any charity you like). No, it's a no-win situation for the astronauts. Ignore the nutter and don't dignify his garbage.

[Evan Burton]

I'll refer you back to an answer I gave earlier:

Yes, Armstrong is a shy, retiring gent. He has been known as such for many years, preferring to ask people to acknowledge the contributions of the thousands of people who worked on Apollo, and not focus just on him.

He is not the type to stand in the front row; he is the type to stand in the back and say "let others get some accolades - I've had my share". Very admirable, and consistent with everything that people have ever said about him.

[Duane Daman]

Ignore the nutter and don't dignify his garbage.

That would be typical Apollo apologist character assassination speak for ... "ignore the conspiracy researchers and hopefully no one will notice that all of the Apollo astronots run away from the Bible like it's a snake about to bite them and avoid their questions like the plague " ...

Edited December 10, 2007 by Duane Daman

[Duane Daman]

I think of all the Apollo photographs that show a definate dividing line between the foreground stage and the painted mountain backdrops , it would be the series of Apollo 15 "postcard pictures" that are some of the most obvious of fakes ... They are a series of perfectly blocked studio shots showing all of the necessary props ( astronaut , LM , buggy and flag ) that probably took a professional photographer WITH A VIEWFINDER , several hours to set up and photograph .

I won't waste bandwidth posting tons of photos that show this particular dividing line , because the defenders of Apollo will just play the same game they always do .... They will say that you can't compare the Moon to the Earth ( or in Dave's world maybe you can ) ... That depth perception and distance can't be properly photographed or even judged or seen in a vacuum , and that the obvious dividing line is just the difference in the landscape (like in Dave's typical non like-for-like dry creek bed photo ) , which does show distance and depth perception , unlike the typical faked Apollo photographs , where small scale models were most likely used to fake distance perception .

What makes the Apollo 15 "postcard" series so obvious as having a faked backdrop , would not only be the straight line between the darker foreground and the lighter , blurry looking background , but also the fact that the bootprints and buggy tires tracks only appear in the darker area foreground of the moonset and abruptly cut off at the edge of the very close painted backdrop mountains , which are allegedly several miles away and very huge .

I will also post some "postcard " pamorama shots here as well, which show this same moonset photo fakery in 360 degrees ... The PANS , as they are called , look even more fake than the Apollo 15 " postcard" photos .

Edited December 10, 2007 by Duane Daman

[Evan Burton]

Ignore the nutter and don't dignify his garbage.

That would be typical Apollo apologist character assassination speak for ... "ignore the conspiracy researchers and hopefully no one will notice that all of the Apollo astronots run away from the Bible like it's a snake about to bite them and avoid their questions like the plague " ...

That particular comment (nutter) is directed solely at Sibrel. And you seem to be forgetting (or ignoring) the fact that Apollo lunar walkers HAVE sworn on the Bible - and Sibrel just calls them liars.

[Evan Burton]

That second shot you have used is very good. You do see three distinct regions of soil colour. From top to bottom, mid-grey, light grey, and dark grey.

Now, assuming that the images were NOT faked (humour me on this) - is there anything else that could account for this effect? Or is it absolutely impossible for this to be anything other than a fake backdrop?

[Jack White]

Sibrel erred in asking the Apollo guys TO SWEAR ON A BIBLE.

Anyone who would lie about going to the moon would have no

qualms about lying with his hand on a bible. This is not a

religious issue; we do not even know the religious beliefs

of these men; athiests see no meaning in swearing on a bible.

I thought it a dumb idea of Sibrel to gain access to the men

using false pretenses. Subterfuge does not win friends, even

if for a good cause.

Sibrel sent DVDs to me of all his videos, hoping I would

promote them. I told him I would critique them and let him

know. I thought his AGGRESSIVE tactics with the astronauts

would not meet with favor with the average viewer. I emailed

him this belief, though complimenting the other videos. I

never heard back from him. I guess he is thin-skinned.

Jack