Matthew Lewis

Nobody denies that CONTRAILS can turn into cirrus clouds. That's been known about for more than 70 years. You know, that pesky science that Jack won't bother to look at.

Nobody has yet to prove that any of the trails are "chemtrails". They likely won't prove they are "chemtrails" until they bother to actually test the trails themselves (which they've promised for years but never actually get around to, maybe because there are plenty of gullible people that are fine with faulty tests on the ground that prove nothing?)

I found it interesting that one of the first things Duane's little pdf says is that CONTRAILS can persist for days and grow into clouds, something which most "chemtrailers" including Jack say can't happen.

lol. Pumping energy into the ionosphere to study aurorae causes earthquakes thousands of miles underground...on the other side of the world...

Someone's been reading David Brin's Earth ... and then mangling half the story to fir their own misconceptions.

My favorite part is how they hide this earthquake making machine by making it a public program that gives tours! (HAARP not the book)

If I am wrong, produce evidence. Pretty simple. For instance, produce a met report for the date / time at DFW, including altitude data. Produce some METARs, PIREPs, TTF, etc. Pretty simple - why don't you give actual evidence to support your position?

Because he can't. I'm actually surprised he responded at all. His usual MO is to ignore anything he doesn't like and treat this board like a personal blog.

After an absence of nearly a year, chemtrails were back over my house in full force this

afternoon. At one time I counted seven at once, all crisscrossing in all directions.

Jack

Chemtrails had been inactive over Fort Worth this week until today. Then there were numerous

ones today filling the sky with bizarre clouds all day. I shot this at about 5 p.m. as a jetliner was

taking off from DFW.

Jack

Pretty cloud picture. Those "bizarre clouds" are cirrus by the way.

What's the point of mentioning the flight from DFW? Is it just intended as a "oh by the way"? You do realize that low traffic taking off from only 14 miles away will not be high enough to leave any contrails right? You do realize that other commercial traffic is allowed to fly over your area without stopping right?

Those are not CIRRUS clouds. The are all chemtrails spread out by winds aloft. The chemplanes

were busy all day in an otherwise blue sky. At sunset there were many more parallel ones in the

west as the sun set.

Jack

Sure Jack. And yet you provide no proof while these clouds look and act EXACTLY like cirrus clouds.

You still never mentioned the point of noting the flight from DFW.

After an absence of nearly a year, chemtrails were back over my house in full force this

afternoon. At one time I counted seven at once, all crisscrossing in all directions.

Jack

Chemtrails had been inactive over Fort Worth this week until today. Then there were numerous

ones today filling the sky with bizarre clouds all day. I shot this at about 5 p.m. as a jetliner was

taking off from DFW.

Jack

Pretty cloud picture. Those "bizarre clouds" are cirrus by the way.

What's the point of mentioning the flight from DFW? Is it just intended as a "oh by the way"? You do realize that low traffic taking off from only 14 miles away will not be high enough to leave any contrails right? You do realize that other commercial traffic is allowed to fly over your area without stopping right?

Is this how they do it?

If you're asking, is that how they test an aircraft for weight and balance as part of the initial certification of an airframe type, then yes. But I don't see what it has to do with "chemtrails". Your picture has nothing to do with those.

Edit to add: For those who can't see the photo because Jack can't be bothered to use a public hosting site (can't be viewed by non-members or those not logged in) or because a couple months have passed and Jack has removed it to post something else, it shows the interior of an aircraft with multiple containers likely filled with water. It is one example of an aircraft being tested for weight and balance. They are able to shift the water from container to container to test different configurations in flight. Jack seems to think it would be used to disperse his mythical "chemtrails" but one must wonder why such an inefficent setup would be used.

Edit 2nd: I found the original of the photo. These links

http://telstarlogistics.typepad.com/telstarlogistics/2008/08/flight-report-a.html

http://telstarlogistics.typepad.com/telstarlogistics/2007/10/telstar-logisti.html

show that it was from the flight testing of the Airbus A380. They are even described there. So that means that whoever passed the pic off as the interior of a "chemtrail" plane deliberately and knowingly LIED. Why would a "chemtrail" believer need to LIE to try to prove their case?

http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/meteorology/evergreen-aviation-admits-tochemtrail-contracts-with-usaf.html

Most important film and article yet on Chemtrails and Weather Control.

Jack

Thanks for the humor page Jack. That is how it was intended right? For starters, anybody who thinks that weather control, which consists of cloud seeding, looks anything like "chemtrails" they are deluding themselves. Then they get into HAARP with all sorts of unfounded BS. Creation of hurricanes and nuclear sized explosions without radiation? Do people actually take this stuff seriously?

The video appears to be the same one that Duane posted weeks ago (at least the same audio) as proof of low altitude spraying (although it is never shown or proven in the video). It is high on innuendo, pseudoscience, lies and scare tactics but preciously low on actual facts. Lots of pretty cloud pictures though!

The text on the page claims in the title that "Evergreen Aviation Admits to Chemtrail Contracts with USAF" but never actually shows that. They admit to weather modification (cloud seeding) but never say they are doing it for the USAF and never admit to "chemtrails" of any sort. Why do you think a page that has a blatant LIE like that is a "most important article yet on chemtrails and weather control"?

I especially thought this claim at the end was hilarious

It is no coincidence that the onset of this unprecedented weather coincided with the completion of the HAARP system

As if there was never freak weather before modern technology! Funny how the top eleven most memorable weather events according to the Farmer's almanac has 10 of them happening before HAARP and 5 of them before the 1900s.

http://www.farmersalmanac.com/weather/2007/12/21/top-eleven-most-memorable-weather-events/

And then they follow it up with this

Now, scientists can create and control all types of weather, especially disasters.

IF true, then why do sandstorms STILL ground US aircraft in Iraq and Afghanistan and heavy fog creates landing hazards throughout the region?

Keep the humor coming Jack! How about tying in "chemtrails" with crop circles?

Here is Planes without Passengers: the Faked Hijackings of 9/11 on a ZIP file for use by the Education Forum members only:

Every time I've tried to download this, on multiple computers, it says it is invalid and empty.

Since Evan, Bill and I were able to download it obviously your computers are better at detecting "invalid and empty" content then ours.

I don't know why it doesn't work for me. I tried it on two computers at home, one at work and now one in a church office. All had the same result. I did get it from Evan though via email.

I was being tongue in cheek, have you read it yet?

Haven't had a chance to yet. Not really the top on my list of favorite subjects. I'll get to it eventually though.

Here is Planes without Passengers: the Faked Hijackings of 9/11 on a ZIP file for use by the Education Forum members only:

Every time I've tried to download this, on multiple computers, it says it is invalid and empty.

Since Evan, Bill and I were able to download it obviously your computers are better at detecting "invalid and empty" content then ours.

I don't know why it doesn't work for me. I tried it on two computers at home, one at work and now one in a church office. All had the same result. I did get it from Evan though via email.

Here is Planes without Passengers: the Faked Hijackings of 9/11 on a ZIP file for use by the Education Forum members only:

Every time I've tried to download this, on multiple computers, it says it is invalid and empty.

Why would avoiding trampling the rest of the field be a problem? Couldn't they walk down the same tracks the tractors use? The ones running parallel across the entire field?

Apparently we can't get back on topic as I have yet more comments from Duane. These will be the last as comments are no longer allowed on my profile (mods take note that I view this as a form of harassment as I can no longer use a feature of the board due to one member's inability to use it properly)

"If you have something to say to me, say it on the forum where all can see you for what you are or don't say it at all."

I would do exactly that but unfortunately Burton will not allow my posts, defending myself against your erroneous, flame baiting accusations, to be seen.

Funny how your immature ridicule is never moderated, while my replies, defending myself,...

Immature ridicule? I called you cowardly (which you have reciprocated) because you attempted to insult via PM. How is that anything but the truth?

Since that last message to you was cut off, I've posted it on my signature.. It's about time the members of this forum know what you and Burton are all about.. Your blatant, game playing dishonesty is unbelievable!

Of course you will remove my comments.. I wouldn't expect anything differently from a dishonest coward like you.

They are removed from my PROFILE only as that section of the forum is NOT intended for conversations, something which you can't seem to figure out. They are however immortalized on the forum in text and jpeg for all to see. How is that cowardly exactly? How does that compare to attempting to insult via PM?

Yet another comment from Duane on my PUBLIC profile

Let's see if you have the integrity, or the courage, to post this message from me.

You posted this erroneous insult to me on the 'Chemtrails are Back!' thread.

"Trying to send that message as a private comment is cowardly but exactly what I expected from you."

I posted two replies to you, defending myself againt your false, character assa...

I maintain my statement that attempting to post insults via private messages (as you ADMITTED you tried to do) is cowardly. I think most reasonable people would agree. I will NOT take that back. If you have something to say to me, say it on the forum where all can see you for what you are or don't say it at all.

I will eventually delete Duane's comments on my profile as I don't think the profile is a place for PMs as Duane is trying use it. I will wait however until others have a chance to see them for themselves.

Edit to add: Here is a screen capture of the profile page with Duane's comments to make it easier for everyone. Duane's comments will be removed from my profile by the end of the day.

As entertaining as all this is, is it possible to get back on topic?

One Small Step?: The Great Moon Hoax and the Race to Dominate Earth from Space

by Gerhard Wisnewski

Is it possible that the famous American moon landings were nothing but an illusion--all a fabrication? Could NASA have fooled the world by broadcasting simulations that had been filmed for training purposes?

From the very first manned flight into orbit right up to the present day, there have been serious anomalies in the official narrative of the conquest of space.

Bestselling author Gerhard Wisnewski dissects the history in minute detail--from the first Russian missions to the final American moon project of Apollo 17--looking at films, photos, radio communications, personal statements, and other available material. Using forensic methods of investigation, he pieces together a complex jigsaw depicting a disturbing picture of falsifications, lies, and fakery in the Cold War struggle for supremacy between the Soviet Union and the United States. The evidence he presents casts serious doubt on the possibility of humans ever having walked on the moon.

Wisnewski's research calls for a reassessment of the received wisdom that has become a part of our cultural fabric. He insists that the true story of space exploration has a more sinister undertone. Beneath the guise of civilian space travel, the US military has been developing fearsome new equipment and weapons to be secretly stationed in space, whose purpose is to militarize the sphere surrounding the Earth, and whose potential targets are every human being on the planet.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2411123.One_Small_Step_The_Great_Moon_Hoax_and_the_Race_to_Dominate_Earth_from_Space

Read excerpts from his book here, explaining the many reasons why Apollo was a hoax.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=EwEEIzdTfW0C&lpg=PP1&dq=moon%20hoax&pg=PA165#v=onepage&q&f=false

Hoax or not, all I've seen from the trillions that have been spent on a "space program" are neat cell phones, DSL, Dish TV, and really nifty spy apparatus...what a waste.

What about all this?

http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html

http://www.problem-solving-techniques.com/US-Space-Program.html

Not too bad for what is usually far less than 1% of the overall budget.

What about it? And you REALLY think you know what is being spent?

Looks like a heck of a lot more than "neat cell phones, DSL, Dish TV, and really nifty spy apparatus", you know, the POINT of what I was replying to.

One Small Step?: The Great Moon Hoax and the Race to Dominate Earth from Space

by Gerhard Wisnewski

Is it possible that the famous American moon landings were nothing but an illusion--all a fabrication? Could NASA have fooled the world by broadcasting simulations that had been filmed for training purposes?

From the very first manned flight into orbit right up to the present day, there have been serious anomalies in the official narrative of the conquest of space.

Bestselling author Gerhard Wisnewski dissects the history in minute detail--from the first Russian missions to the final American moon project of Apollo 17--looking at films, photos, radio communications, personal statements, and other available material. Using forensic methods of investigation, he pieces together a complex jigsaw depicting a disturbing picture of falsifications, lies, and fakery in the Cold War struggle for supremacy between the Soviet Union and the United States. The evidence he presents casts serious doubt on the possibility of humans ever having walked on the moon.

Wisnewski's research calls for a reassessment of the received wisdom that has become a part of our cultural fabric. He insists that the true story of space exploration has a more sinister undertone. Beneath the guise of civilian space travel, the US military has been developing fearsome new equipment and weapons to be secretly stationed in space, whose purpose is to militarize the sphere surrounding the Earth, and whose potential targets are every human being on the planet.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2411123.One_Small_Step_The_Great_Moon_Hoax_and_the_Race_to_Dominate_Earth_from_Space

Read excerpts from his book here, explaining the many reasons why Apollo was a hoax.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=EwEEIzdTfW0C&lpg=PP1&dq=moon%20hoax&pg=PA165#v=onepage&q&f=false

Hoax or not, all I've seen from the trillions that have been spent on a "space program" are neat cell phones, DSL, Dish TV, and really nifty spy apparatus...what a waste.

What about all this?

http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html

http://www.problem-solving-techniques.com/US-Space-Program.html

Not too bad for what is usually far less than 1% of the overall budget.

As it was not intended to be private (NOT a pm but a public comment on the profile) I have no reason not to post it here

I sent that message to you as a PM but your inbox would not accept any new messages.. But I'm sure you already knew that and also knew that was the reason I posted it on your page.. Your e-mail is private, so the only way to get my message to you was to post it on your profile page.. But instead of it showing up immediately, a message came up saying it would need to be approved by a moderator, just like my posts here .. I thought that would be the end of it, but obviously it was approved or you couldn't have posted it here.. So I can only assume that it didn't break any of the forum's rules.

As for what I meant by your lies, it would be your constant denial of the existance of chemtrails, despite all of the evidence proving otherwise.

Trying to send that message as a private comment is cowardly but exactly what I expected from you. I reserve PMs for friends, colleagues and professionals. You are none of those. Others can send me messages though so I would guess it is your moderated status that prevented you from making a cowardly accusation in privateas incoming messages are NOT blockedfor the majority of users. PUBLIC comments on one's profile are approved by the USER. I approved it so all could see you breaking forum rules and to expose your nasty attitude. Again, what have I posted that is a lie? Is it a lie that the so-called "air grab" did NOT account for the volume of air that was filtered? Is it a lie that the results of your other study were claimed to be parts per MILLION but were really parts per BILLION? Is it a lie that many of those patents are for completely unrelated products and/or processes? Please elaborate. I still have yet to see anything that can not be explained by the long known science behind contrails.

Just received a comment on my profile from Duane.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showuser=2327

As it was not intended to be private (NOT a pm but a public comment on the profile) I have no reason not to post it here

Duane Daman

Today' date=' 06:36 PM

Your lies won't stop the truth from coming out about chemtrails or any other US government conspiracy.

I really don't know how liars like you sleep at night.

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Putting aside, for a moment, the FACT that it is against forum rules to say another poster is lying, care to enumerate any of my "lies"? Is it a lie that the so-called "air grab" did NOT account for the volume of air that was filtered? Is it a lie that the results of your other study were claimed to be parts per MILLION but were really parts per BILLION? Is it a lie that many of those patents are for completely unrelated products and/or processes? Please elaborate. As you know you need to back up an accusation like that.

For anyone doubting the existence of the phenomenon of ‘chemtrails’, please take a minute to read through this extensive list of patents from America on equipment and processes used in just such programs. The evidence is clear folks.

Excellent list of evidence Jack!

Yeah!

I especially like these that have absolutely nothing to do with "chemtrails" proving the original author was just as clueless

3722183 – March 27, 1973 – Device For Clearing Impurities From The Atmosphere

3808595 – April 30, 1974 – Chaff Dispensing System

3940060 – February 24, 1976 – Vortex Ring Generator

4873928 – October 17, 1989 – Nuclear-sized explosions without radiation (explosions? really?)

4999637 – March 12, 1991 – Creation of artificial ionization clouds above the earth (this refers to space, rather funny that it is included)

5059909 – October 22, 1991 – Determination of particle size and electrical charge

5005355 – April 9, 1991 – Method of suppressing formation of contrails and solution therefor (just the complete opposite of what is described)

5110502 – May 5, 1992 – Method of suppressing formation of contrails and solution therefor (yep, they weren't satisfied with being wrong once, they added both)

5156802 – October 20, 1992 – Inspection of fuel particles with acoustics

5486900 – January 23, 1996 – Measuring device for amount of charge of toner and image forming apparatus having the measuring device (toner, like in a printer)

6045089 – April 4, 2000 – Solar-powered airplane

There are many more. Those are just some of the more obvious. Many describe processes conducted on the ground or in space. Others are completely unrelated. There is no proof offered that any of them are in use or even work. Claiming the list is evidence of anything is hilarious. Keep the humor coming!

As usual, ground samples that could have been contaminated anywhere

A lot of the "ground samples" that have been tested came from rainfall.. Rainfall that came from the clouds that were either seeded, or created by chemtrail planes .. The toxins being sprayed, including aluminum and barium, were found in alarming levels in the rainwater tested.

Oh really? According to Jack, these trails form cirrus clouds (exactly what one could expect from a persistent contrail). Cirrus clouds are incapable of rain. The last ground sample you presented was misread and claimed as parts per million when it was really parts per billion. They also never accounted for the evaporation that would have concentrated the sample during the month they left it out.

Why do the claimants always fail to take a proper airborne sample and have it analysed?

There have also been air grab tests done in areas where these chemicals have been sprayed and the same toxins were found in these tests as well.. I'm not sure how anyone would be able to collect samples directly from a trail in the air, while following behind a chemplane.

Rent a plane? Why is that so hard to figure out? Multiple "chemtrail" researchers/con men have proposed exactly that in years past always to never get any results. Your "air grab" was nothing of the sort. They did NOT account for the volume of air filtered. Until or unless they do that they are testing dust.

Matthew NY Times registration is free and IMO worth the minor inconvenience. Here’s the beginning of the article:

Its free now? The last I checked years ago it wasn't. Good to know it has changed. Thank you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/us/19transplant.html?_r=1&hpw

link requires a log in.

Defending the indefensible is incomprehensible and requires an understandable motive.

Assessing possible motives does not constitute personal attack.

Jack

Indefensible? So you also believe a STUDY of pollution and volcanic dust is somehow proof of spraying? Talk about incomprehensible!

As I've said MANY times before, I have yet to see ANYTHING that can not be explained by the long known science behind contrail formation. Have YOU looked at the science Jack? Oh, that's right I forgot, you believe contrails must always dissipate so of course you haven't.

In case you've forgottens, questioning motives is not allowed on this forum. Something else I've said multiple times; I am NOT paid to post here or anywhere else. My opinions are based solely on my own research.

Members are forbidden from questioning the motives of posters, nor should members research abilities be questioned.

Thanks again for the humor Duane! We can always count on you for that.

"But contempt seems a given, both in the perpetrating of chemtrails, and in the apparent attempted cover-up."

Now, Duane, that appears to be a thinly veiled attempt to accuse me of paid posting. You wouldn't do that, would you?

I stand by my statement. Your latest post continues the humor. A STUDY of the effects of pollution and volcanic dust mostly conducted on the ground is now somehow proof of a spraying program! Hilarious!

"Las Vegas Nevada,noon on 4-21-09, Two massive chemtrails that lingered, and then expanded out creating false cloud coverage that persisted for the remainder of the day."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuP9KYgSUcQ&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Exactly what SCIENCE says can happen with contrails. Have you ever actually looked at the science Duane? Note that cirrus clouds were already present, proving that the conditions for persistent contrail formation were right.

The official name for chemtrails is aerosol scattering.

"The term “Chemtrails” has been used by scientists, researchers, mainstream media and the internet for years now. However, it often conjures up illogical ”conspiracy theory” rhetoric directed towards those of us who are well educated on the subject, by those who are obviously not, and who are still living in a complete state of denial and fear. So, here it is…

The official government term for the Chemtrail spraying program

“DOE ARM Indirect, Direct, semi-direct aerosol scattering”

http://stevenjohnhibbs.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/chemtrails-doe-arm-indirect-direct-semi-direct-aerosol-scattering/

Now that's a good one. If you'd actually bothered to read ANY of the links on the google search your link links to, you'd find only study of natural aerosols (volcanic and pollution), and NOTHING about purposely spraying anything. Jump to conclusions much? So how does this prove "chemtrails"?

This 6 part video describes the massive amount of life threatening toxins being sprayed by this "aerosol spraying" program.

I've only posted part 3 because of the limited amount of image links allowed here.

A program there is still no proof for and supposed toxins that nobody has bothered to directly test. And of course no proof is presented on the video. Lots of pretty pictures though.

What a perfect example of the willful ignorance of "chemtrailers"! From the lie that contrails must dissipate to the total misunderstanding of meteorology mixed in with plenty of strawman arguments and of course the paranoia that those who oppose them must be "government shills" paid to do so. Funny stuff! I especially like how they persist in the lie that these trails are only left by government planes when many of the "chemtrailer's" own pics and video prove otherwise!

Thanks again for the humor Duane! We can always count on you for that.

I still have yet to see ANYTHING that can't be explained by the 70+ year old well established science behind the formation of contrails.

I found this quote especially humorous

Among other things, the references to chemtrails began only around 1997. There are no references to unusual, persistent cloud trails before that date. Contrails didn't suddenly start to become long-lived under certain circumstances only after 1997. And it unlikely that people will have suddenly started to become aware of something as obvious, and apparently pernicious, as vapor trails that persist for hours, then spread and coalesce into sun blocking cloud decks only in 1997. The very fact that no complaints of long, spreading contrails before 1997 is sufficient to establish that chemtrails must be real, and not normal contrails.

It is an absolute LIE as I've posted proof of persistent contrails, and complaint about such, that spread to cover the sky dating back to the 40's. The author ignores the FACT (or likely didn't bother to do any actual research) that today's planes on average fly higher with more powerful engines both of which make persistent contrails more likely. He doesn't even consider the FACT that the reason there were less complaints (the author falsely claims none) is because there was no global internet to spread the ignorance.