Bill Cheslock

^{I remember watching "The Guilty Men" and thought the question of}

^{whether there was a Murchison party was settled. According to this}

^{part of "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" there was indeed a party.}

I just heard Wolf Blitzer of CNN report that the event at the JFK Library was a fire and

that it has nothing to do with the bombings at the Marathon. Who knows!! The competing

networks are trying to get a scoop up on each other. We may hear later that the fire indeed

was part of the attack. It's not unlike the reporting that went on after the JFK assassinaion in Dealey Plaza.

It's a good question David. I would say that it's very difficult to secure a race that covers

26 miles. The good news is that there are many many surveilance cameras on the race route,

and hopefully officials will be able to use them to give us a clearer picture as to who's responsible.

Thanks Robin. The first photo you posted by Cancellare above is the one I was

referring to. When enlarged, we can see ,what seems to me, to be a human like

figure to the right of the tree that is the second tree from the end of the overpass.

From the street, it's the tree to the right of the motorcycles.

I wonder if anyone else can see what I perceive to be a human figure on the

south knoll, holding what could be a rifle?

Excellent Robin. Do you remember a blown up photo of the south knoll?

I believe I saw a Cancellare photo of the left side of Elm Street that was made

much larger than the original, and that it showed what seems to be a human

figure holding a long object that could be a rifle.

This was a few years ago, and I can't remember the source. Then again,

perhaps it was you.

Thanks

Bill

Absolutely no mention of Lewis' writing on the Warren Commission. In

the New York Times edition of the "Report Of The Warren Commission,

The Assassination Of President Kennedy" (McGraw -Hill Book Company,

October 1964) Lewis wrote a preface titled, "On The Release Of The Warren

Report," p. xxxi. His six and a half pages starts off supporting the official government version;

Oswald was the lone assassin, and there was no conspiracy, foreign or domestic. His pontification

continues with agreeing with the Commission's belief that Oswald shot at

General Walker, and that the alleged presidential assassin was a malcontent

whose own gun fired all the shots and killed President Kennedy.

Mr. Lewis categorically dismisses who he calls "mythmakers," those who

question the conclusions of the Warren Commission, but assures the reader

that the conclusions were correct.

The final paragraph of his forward seems to excuse the Secret Service from any

fault. He writes that even President Kennedy admitted that it would be easy for

anybody who really wanted to shoot the President of the United States. He could

get on a high building with a telescopic rifle, and there was nothing anybody could

do to defend against such an attempt.

Witness-2.blogspot.com. I already have some posts there, one huge one concerning a man who calls himself a hero but is a fake witness to 9/11.

Hope all is well.

Hi Kathleen

I tried to long on to your blogspot, but had no luck.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Bill

I came across this article below about Sirhan's parole hearing. Should he

be paroled and permitted to return to Jordan? Or, should he remain in an

American prison? I have mixed feelings. If he was indeed programmed and

didn't know what he was involved in, I don't know if he should be kept in

prison. On the other hand, if he was knowingly involved, and if he does make parole

and returns to Jordan, I believe the RFK assassination investigation, what little is left, will take

a plunge into a giant black hole and never be heard from again. This is something, I believe,

the American media would welcome. Any thoughts on Sirhan being paroled? Any thoughts

on this article below?

Thanks

Bill

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8355306/Robert-F.-Kennedys-assassin-was-a-real-life-Manchurian-Candidate.html

Zapruder Zoomed Frames GIF Stabilized. ( 19-frames ) 2.75MB

As well as the skull flap on the side of the head, there also appears to be a large "fleshy mass" hanging down in the front of kennedy's face ?

Click on thumbnail to view full size:

I find your penchant for accepting every racey story involving the sex lives of the Kennedy brothers revelatory of the irrelevance of your research. I am profoundly disappointed...and quite honestly, disgusted.

Greg, with the Kennedy sex maniacs, most of these stories are true. And are relevant both to the JFK assassination AND to the cover up as this post demonstrates. No need to shoot the messenger if you can't handle the message.

I get tired of going over to John McAdams web site and seeing this:

"He didn't even have the satisfaction of being killed for civil rights . . . . It's — it had to be some silly little Communist." — Jackie Kennedy, on hearing that a leftist had been arrested for her husband's murder.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

Robert Kennedy and Jackie Kennedy were handicapped in speaking the truth of what they knew: that the JFK assassination was a coup d'etat and the result of an elite DOMESTIC conspiracy. One big reason they did not speak up was because RFK and Jackie were having an illicit affair with each other and Robert Kennedy, in particular, did not want to risk having this exposed, which would have killed off his political ambitions for US Senate and the Presidency.

After all, Robert Kennedy had TEN kids with Ethel, and here he was spending all this emotional energy, time, and money on Jackie. It is one thing to be a good uncle to John John and Caroline and a close friend to Jackie, it is entirely another to be hopping in the bed with the widow Jackie Kennedy and carrying on with her like 2 teenagers in love.

So Jack Kennedy was not the only Kennedy who was BLACKMAILABLE - Robert Kennedy was and he lived in fear of having his affair with Jackie exposed. I have read almost the whole book "Bobby and Jackie" and it convinced me, with countless anecdotes from close Kennedy friends, that the RFK/Jackie affair was quite the reality and an "open secret" among the Kennedy clan.

Back to John Kennedy: the ONLY reason Lyndon Johnson got on that Democratic ticket in 1960 was through the use of sexual blackmail and other threats on John Kennedy.

In sum, I am researcher in the 1963 Coup d'Etat. I am not some sort of Kennedy groupie or a PR flack along the lines of Karl Rove (Bushes), James Carville (Clintons) or Jack Valenti (Johnson). I try to find the truth whether it is good, bad or ugly.

One more thing: save your "disgust" for the character suicide that the Kennedys committed... such as running around on a wife that gave you 10 children.

Produce the PROOF of this illicit love affair! PRODUCE THE PROOF! instead of parroting what you have read elsewhere. The entire idea that they, including Joseph Kennedy, Sr., JFK & RFK, were all ultimately "black-mailable" due to their alleged sexual exploits is a claim beyond the pale; it's an unsupported assertion, and is absurd!

Here is another take on Heyman and his book.

http://www.ctka.net/reviews/heymann.html

I find your penchant for accepting every racey story involving the sex lives of the Kennedy brothers revelatory of the irrelevance of your research. I am profoundly disappointed...and quite honestly, disgusted.

Greg, with the Kennedy sex maniacs, most of these stories are true. And are relevant both to the JFK assassination AND to the cover up as this post demonstrates. No need to shoot the messenger if you can't handle the message.

I get tired of going over to John McAdams web site and seeing this:

"He didn't even have the satisfaction of being killed for civil rights . . . . It's — it had to be some silly little Communist." — Jackie Kennedy, on hearing that a leftist had been arrested for her husband's murder.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

Robert Kennedy and Jackie Kennedy were handicapped in speaking the truth of what they knew: that the JFK assassination was a coup d'etat and the result of an elite DOMESTIC conspiracy. One big reason they did not speak up was because RFK and Jackie were having an illicit affair with each other and Robert Kennedy, in particular, did not want to risk having this exposed, which would have killed off his political ambitions for US Senate and the Presidency.

After all, Robert Kennedy had TEN kids with Ethel, and here he was spending all this emotional energy, time, and money on Jackie. It is one thing to be a good uncle to John John and Caroline and a close friend to Jackie, it is entirely another to be hopping in the bed with the widow Jackie Kennedy and carrying on with her like 2 teenagers in love.

So Jack Kennedy was not the only Kennedy who was BLACKMAILABLE - Robert Kennedy was and he lived in fear of having his affair with Jackie exposed. I have read almost the whole book "Bobby and Jackie" and it convinced me, with countless anecdotes from close Kennedy friends, that the RFK/Jackie affair was quite the reality and an "open secret" among the Kennedy clan.

Back to John Kennedy: the ONLY reason Lyndon Johnson got on that Democratic ticket in 1960 was through the use of sexual blackmail and other threats on John Kennedy.

In sum, I am researcher in the 1963 Coup d'Etat. I am not some sort of Kennedy groupie or a PR flack along the lines of Karl Rove (Bushes), James Carville (Clintons) or Jack Valenti (Johnson). I try to find the truth whether it is good, bad or ugly.

One more thing: save your "disgust" for the character suicide that the Kennedys committed... such as running around on a wife that gave you 10 children.

Produce the PROOF of this illicit love affair! PRODUCE THE PROOF! instead of parroting what you have read elsewhere. The entire idea that they, including Joseph Kennedy, Sr., JFK & RFK, were all ultimately "black-mailable" due to their alleged sexual exploits is a claim beyond the pale; it's an unsupported assertion, and is absurd!

Here is some proof for ya, Greg: David Heymann's book "Bobby and Jackie: A Love Story"

This is yet another example of your uncommonly rich attraction to employing CIRCULARITY when arguing your point. Your assertion is: "This is a great book." My challenge is: "Provide proof that its content is factual." Your reply is: "I (Robert) have proof of the allegations made in this book--and the proof IS CONTAINED IN THE BOOK!."

Fallacious idiocy at its finest...

John

It is indeed extremely well written and filled

with very important information.

There is one correction that Ed has been asking

those of us who read his article to be aware of. About 35

paragraphs into the article, the paragraph that starts with,

"Now we know..." should have the word "not" deleted.

Thanks

Bill

Thanks Bernice. It's unfortunate this agent didn't expand upon

his belief that Oswald wasn't the assassin. I would like to know

based on what facts does he make this statement? Or, is it his

opinion only?

The Milteer connection to the assassination has always been

very interesting, to say the least. Instead of putting some

pressure on Milteer, the FBI decided to out the informant,

Somerset, and ignore the tape recording implicating Milteer.

Bill

My name is Bill Cheslock and have been researching the assassinations of the 1960's for over forty years now. I live on Cape Cod, Massachusetts, and am a retired history, political science, and special needs teacher. I have taught a course on the assassinations, and have spoken at universities here in the U.S. and Canada.

Well of course it would.

Presumably ballistics tests linked CE399 to the M-C, however. Do you recall when that test was completed?

Note that the DPD did not conduct a test to determine if the M-C had been fired on Nov 22, 1963.

Tim

I don't know very much about rifles and tests to determine if they were fired.

However, in a discussion with Gary Mack via e-mail about a year ago, Gary

stated there is no test available to determine if a rifle was fired recently,

to his knowledge.

Bill C

You know, I would bet that the DPD and the Sheriff's dept. had plenty of rabbit hunters on the force. I don't know about any scientific test to determine if a gun has been fired or not, but if one sniffs the end of the barrel, he will know immediately if the gun has been shot recently. I remember when I hunted here in the hills of Kentucky as a young man that after I shot at game (whether I hit it or not) I could smell that the gun had been fired. Also, I remember later in the evening, as I was preparing to clean my gun, 2-3 hours (or more), that I could still detect the smell of gunpowder in the barrel.

Terry

Terry

With your description of how to test if a rifle has been fired recently, it

seems we don't need a scientific test to determine it. You have to wonder if

any of those law enforcement officers who were on the sixth floor had the mind

set to do just what you described above. Going a step further, would the aroma

of gunpowder be on the casings that were found under the window of the sixth floor?

Thanks

Bill C

Well of course it would.

Presumably ballistics tests linked CE399 to the M-C, however. Do you recall when that test was completed?

Note that the DPD did not conduct a test to determine if the M-C had been fired on Nov 22, 1963.

Tim

I don't know very much about rifles and tests to determine if they were fired.

However, in a discussion with Gary Mack via e-mail about a year ago, Gary

stated there is no test available to determine if a rifle was fired recently,

to his knowledge.

Bill C

We all know that per Dave Belin, if LHO already had that Coke in hand when Truly & Baker spotted him, he'd be an innocent man (not enough time to get it).

No, says Vincent, the fact that he had a Coke in hand, rather than his usual Dr. Pepper, is final proof that he shot JFK. You see, there was a functioning Dr Pepper machine on the first floor where he claimed he ate his lunch.

That Coke is more important to VB, you see, than the absurdity of the SBT!

Tim

The Dr. Pepper vs. Coca Cola debate was brought up in Jim Moore's LN book,

"Conspiracy Of One" back in 1990. Moore writes. "After the encounter with

Baker and Truly in the lunchroom, Oswald (displaying icy calm even though

Baker was holding at Oswald's midsection) put a nickel in the soda machine

and selected a Coca-Cola. It may be that this single action on Oswald's part

holds the key to his guilt. Oswald habitually drank Dr. Pepper. There can be

only one realistic explanation for a miser like Oswald to fail to select his soft

drink of choice--he was nervous." (Moore, page 53)

So there you have it. Case solved, or closed or whatever. However, Tim

my question is, did Bugliosi give credit to Moore for "solving" the case

via the soda episode? Or, did he take credit for figuring "sodagate" out himself, thus

opening himself up to charges of plagiarism?

Bill C

Question from Thaddeus Kochanny:

I read the book. Interesting elements in it too. I looked in vain for any reference to the Federal Reserve Board's involvement in the JFK murder.

The President had intended to buy back from the Federal Reserve and return to the Treasury Department the "right" to control the money supply and interest rates. Soon after coming to this decision he was murdered.

Seems to me that since the Federal Reserve System benefited most, long term, its involvement should have been discussed.

John

I agree that the Federal Reserve System should have been looked into further. Perhaps

it was in a clandestine way. However, Jim Marrs in his book, "Crossfire," does discuss the

Fed. He devotes only a couple of pages, starting on page 274 under the heading, "A Killing On Wall Street."

Bill C

Read Ed's book which rebuts such allegations

Bill

Ed Hoffman is as very reliable witness. The

interpreter who helped him the most is the Rev.

Ron Friedrich. In the introduction of Ed's book,

Rev. Friedrich explains the problems encountered

by Ed when he was trying to explain his story.

The book will, among other things, fill in gaps

of information left by earlier chroniclers, correct

errors published by other researchers, document

specific mistranslations by Sign Language interpreters,

some of which have led to published errors, etc.

The book addresses repeated criticisms, such

as "Ed Hoffman keeps changing his story," Why

didn't he come forward sooner to tell authorities what

he saw," etc.

Ron concludes the introduction of the book by

stating that the mocking of Ed has faded into silence

as collections of photos are published, and researchers

dig deeper to discover things were just as Ed has described

them: There was indeed a police officer stationed on the

railroad bridge over Stemmons Freeway. The Secret Service

agent standing in the car behind the presidential limousine was

indeed holding a weapon. The view between Ed's purported perch

on the freeway and the north stockade fence at Dealey Plaza was indeed

clear, treeless, in the moments before, during, and after the assassination.

Ed Hoffman has to be dealt with and ridiculed because what he saw

does not coincide with the official version of the assassination.

Bill C

Debra Conway reports that "Inside sources tell me the HBO project is dead, wasn't really ever alive. I even took down the petition -- but I am still mailing it to Playtone."

Yes, I read the same report from Debra Conway. Perhaps HBO took a look at the dismal sales of the

book, which doesn't even make it on USA Today's "150 best selling book database" for June 27, 2007.

Bugliosi, it seems, has tainted his reputation in a irrevocable way.

Bill C

Rich has announced that past images posted on JFKresearch over the years

will now be accessible through a new and ongoing feature open to all researchers.

Thanks Jack, for these photos. I was glad to see the "lambchop" photos of the

stuffed dog that Mrs. Kennedy is holding. Jean Hill was chastised over the years

for stating that there was a dog in the limousine sitting between the President and

First Lady. Wallace Milam made an excellent presentation about this, and Rich's

photos clearly vindicate Ms. Hill's observation. For one, David Belin jumped on

this and questioned Jean Hill's credibility for saying that a dog was in the limo.

The "lambchop" photos clearly make a fool of Belin..........again.

Bill C

Robert MacNamara also references the withdrawal in his 1995 memoir.

This is a brief synopsis of my arguement, I will have to submit a written piece, including the relevant documents.

All the best,

John

John

McNamara appeared at the JFK Presidential Library on April 27, 1995.

I was one of about 1,000 guests in the big auditorium. During the Q and A

period, I had the opportunity to go to the microphone and ask former Defense

Secretary McNamara what JFK's plans were for Vietnam, had he lived. Without

hesitation, he said that JFK was going to pull out of Vietnam.

Bill C

Ok, sorry if this is a really thick question but the US system does confuse me a little.

JFK knew the difference in our systems. Here's an explanation from JFK to

Richard Bissell after the Bay of Pigs fiasco:

Within seventy-two hours all the invading troops had been killed, wounded or had surrendered. Bissell had a meeting with John F. Kennedy about the Bay of Pigs operation. Kennedy admitted it was his fault that the operation had been a disaster. Kennedy added: "In a parliamentary government, I'd have to resign. But in this government I can't, so you and Allen (Dulles) have to go." (Spartacus Link to Richard Bissell)

Bill C

Instead I think the CIA sent some random hacks to use the real LHO's name at significant times in the months prior to their murder of the President, to set him up as the patsy. For example, to take target practice.

Myra

Hello Myra

I believe the impersonation of Oswald by someone in Mexico City

at the Cuban consulate is a very important clue with respect to the

conspiracy.

As you know, both Sylvia Duran and Eusebio Azcue of the Cuban

consulate dealt with "Oswald," and would later make statements that the

man in the consulate was NOT the same Oswald who was arrested in Dallas.

Their descriptions of the consulate "Oswald" is not close to what the Dallas

Oswald looked like.

Bill C

The Enquirer was big on psychics and stories about them. I am sure it was their

idea. They contacted Mary and asked her to invite some local researchers. She

invited me, Gary and Larry, and maybe Penn Jones (can't remember), as well

as Jim Leavelle. My wife went with me. It was a cheap looking apartment with

cheap furniture. I remember that the swimming pool had been filled in with dirt.

That is all that I know.

Jack

Thanks Jack. One thing I forgot to ask is, do you remember what year that

seance was held? If the apartment was still unoccupied, do you think it was

not too long after the assassination?

Thanks

Bill C