Len Colby

TL:DR Instead of spamming reams of text no one is going to read you should succinctly spell out what your point is and post just the excerpts you imaging your support your view

Russia produce radar data which 'proves' military aircraft was flying close to MH17 when it was shot down above Ukraine (CLICK LINK) Russia today produced 'evidence' that it claims shows at least one military aircraft was flying close to Flight MH17 when it was shot down, killing all 298 on board. Data from air traffic controllers in Rostov-on-Don, leaked to a Moscow newspaper, appears to show an unidentified object flying at the time of the crash on 17 July and remaining in the area for 20 minutes after the crash. Russian military experts have previously claimed a Ukrainian war plane shot down the Malaysia Airline flight, but it has taken 119 days for sources to produce the 'proof'. Anonymously leaked unverifiable data, how compelling.

OK great it is a propaganda site for the chief suspects' backers http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/11/14/putin-wages-information-war-in-ukraine-worthy-of-george-orwell/

Please list Talboo's credentials

LOL when all else fails spam some irrelevant crap!

January 31, 2001 - A Treasury Department memo for Secretary Paul O'Neill contains a summary of a "military plan" for a "post-Saddam Iraq" marked secret."UNCLASSIFIED WITH SECRET ATTACHMENTS DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY WASHINGTON, D.C. 20220 JAN 31 2001 MEMORANDUM FOR SECRETARY O'NEILL FROM: Mark Sobel, Acting Assistant Secretary, International Affairs SUBJECT: Briefing for NSC Principals Meeting on Gulf Policy DATE AND TIME: 3:00 p.m.-4:30 p.m., Thursday, February 1, 2001 LOCATION: White House Situation Room PURPOSE: To review the current state-of-play (including a CIA briefing on Iraq) and to examine policy questions on how to proceed. ATTACHMENTS: Tab C: Executive Summary: Political-Military Plan for Post-Saddam Iraq Crisis (interagency working paper) -- SECRET" - Memo at Paperless Archives O'Neill: Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11 "The Bush administration began planning to use U.S. troops to invade Iraq within days after the former Texas governor entered the White House three years ago, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill told CBS News' 60 Minutes. [...] In the 1930s the US military developed a contingency plan to invade Canada, lots of scenarios are planned for, some happen most don't. It's no secret that the Bush cabal were gunning for Saddam, but if 9/11 was a ploy to justify the invasion what wasn't any evidence produced pointing the finger at Iraq?

Complete BS as has been pointed out ad infinium, the normal contigent of 7 pairs of fighters (2 in the North - Mid Atlantic) were on scramble alert that morning they were unaffected by any of the drills. Response time was comprable to the Payne Stewart incident and much better than for the Bo Rein one (when many more planes were on scramble alert and response time was supposed to be 5 min rather than the post Cold War 15)

Drills are usually for preparedness against common events,like broken safety cables. Drills for uncommon events would be suspicious and not thinking they are suspicious would not be good thinking. And your basis for the underlined claim is what? your vast inexperience in the area? The US military spends lots of time training and drilling, various scenarios have been contemplated.

I assume everyone has seen the news about the window washers rescued by the FDNY toway from outside the 69th floor of the new WTC. The chief of the department said they'd had a drill for just such an incident only 10 days earlier. HOW CONVENIENT!!! Following “truther” logic the 'accident' must have been an inside job!

LOL when all else fails spam some irrelevant crap!

OMG ! An obscure website back's Gaal's view it must be true! Steve explain to us how your last post about the BBC report contradicts mine.

LOL bad fake!

Yawn, All three witnesses are in territory controlled by the same militia suspected of having shotdown the plane. They made no mention of a missile trail one way or the other Witness testimony is notoriously inaccurate do BUK 17s always leave missile trails? Only 2 mentioned the military plane they did not say it was Ukrainian or that it was a fighter.

The Unbelievable Skepticism of the Amazing Randi A few minutes before 8 o’clock one Sunday evening last July, around 600 people crowded into the main conference hall of the South Point casino in Las Vegas. After taking their seats on red-velvet upholstered chairs, they chattered noisily as they awaited the start of the Million Dollar Challenge. When Fei Wang, a 32-year-old Chinese salesman, stepped onto the stage, they fell silent. Wang had a shaved head and steel-framed glasses. He wore a polo shirt, denim shorts and socks. He claimed to have a peculiar talent: from his right hand, he could transmit a mysterious force a distance of three feet, unhindered by wood, metal, plastic or cardboard. The energy, he said, could be felt by others as heat, pressure, magnetism or simply “an indescribable change.” Tonight, if he could demonstrate the existence of his ability under scientific test conditions, he stood to win $1 million [...] http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/09/magazine/the-unbelievable-skepticism-of-the-amazing-randi.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

OK this BS I couldn't let pass I don't recall ever calling YOU (as opposed to your posts) stupid,point to where I've done so. The former was in response to you labeling me a "sociopath" with "fetid lips". So if you start a xxxx fight don't complain when you get some tossed back at you. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17718&p=226279

Nope cuz the guy is a social media expert. People with relevant expertise say it was downed by a missile.

Sorry dude they guy said it "ALMOST looked like" machine gun fire, do you not know what the highlighted word means? If not look it up. In any case as he made clear he is NOT an expert. His areas of expertise are communications, social media and journalism I ound no inications he has any experience with aviation, engineering military etc. And decide if you want to push the a) it was shot down by Ukrainian planes or the it was shot down by a Ukrainian SAM theory

Sorry dude most major universities in the US do research for the USG. And get back to us when you understand what an ad hom is. What you are engaging is an ad hom by proxy three times removed. If you claimed a debunking post on JREF was suspect because its author had done work for NIST that would be an ad hom but you don't even have that rather one guy who has provided financial support to the forum works for a university that has done research for NIST. It seems only half a dozen people are following this thread, you have yet to expalin how any of your assinine BS disqualifies posts made on JREF so my furthur participation would be a waste of time. So adios (and don't forget you begged me to come back here).

Szamboti is a mechanical engineer who works with aerospace, thus he is not especially qualified to critique multi-thousand page exhaustively researched reports prepared by qualified structural engineers. Last I checked the truthers had only signed up about 2 dozen SE about half of whom worked on things like ships,oil rigs, bridges etc, of the half or so who actually had BUILDING design experience with only one or two exceptions none made any claim to have designed anything more than a couple stories tall. But they gave no indication of having actually read the NIST executive reports,let alone the dozens of supporting ones. Of the 3 or 4 (or was it 5?) who mentioned the report none claimed relevant expertise. Gaal get back to us if you can find atruther SE who has read at least one of the NIST reports AND has RELEVANT (i.e. highrise) design experience.

see http://www.globalresearch.ca/evidence-is-now-conclusive-two-ukrainian-government-fighter-jets-shot-down-malaysian-airlines-mh17-it-was-not-a-buk-surface-to-air-missile/5394814 Non experts said it "looked like" bullets vs. experts who say it was a missile, the loons of course think the former is "conclusive".

Very close relationship University Maryland IT and NSA/NIST.(GAAL) Very close relationship Randy site 911 debunking and University Maryland IT ....coincidence ??????????????? = COLBY DOES NOT ADDRESS THIS JREF and NSA NEXUS. IN TROLLISH BEHAVIOR Colby CALLS IT, "incoherrent drivel" ++++++++++++++ I asked you for a reliable citation, see if you come up with one/any. Uuuh NO, apparently some guy named Benveniste claimed that signals generated when data is recorded to disc could "inhibit the fibrinogen-thrombin coagulation pathway" this team of which Deaman was 3rd listed of six authors (thus he was a minor player) concluded this was BS. How exactly are these article tied to him

It has to be remembered that in 1940 Joe Kennedy's critics considered him to be a neo-fascist. To describe the opponents of the Kennedy's as fascists is as relevant as the far right calling JFK a "communist". Do you really mean "fascists" or is it your way of describing a group of people you don't like? This thread is not about Joe Kennedy Sr. The references I've made about the fascist's hatred of the Kennedy's apply to John, Bobby, and Ted Kennedy, who were/are very different from their father. When I say "fascism" I'm thinking of the definition attributed to Benito Mussolini, the supposed creator of fascism: "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." The definition is totally relevant to the four major sixties murders, which were committed against leaders seeking peace, by corporate entities who made profits from war. Actually no one really knows who said this, it is unlikely it was Mussolini. http://www.publiceye.org/fascist/corporatism.html

So Gaal got any evidence other than what you got from the lying neo-Nazi fugative Bollyn? So the prof supposedly didn't want to talk to the creep, why would anyone want to? And the crazy moron got Denman's title, nothing in his CV suggests ties to the NSA, NIST or anyother gov't agency. http://www.it.umd.edu/division_staff/bios/old0512/denman.pdf

None of your incoherrent drivel tells us how any of this bull impugns the credibility of posts made on JREF which AFAICT neither Randi or Danman, a psycologist not tied to NIST or NSA, are involved it. All you have is ad homs, 3rd degree guilt by association and character assassination. See if you can up your game. No one is reading this thread, further replies would be a waste of my time.

More poorly sourced innuendo and character assassination, so Randi might be gay, supposedly there's a tape of him talking dirty to teenage boys but this is poorly sourced. His financial backer may have done work for the DoD (gotta better source than a crank who lied under oath and was fired for "filing false stories"?). Kooks who believe in perpetual motion and psychic dogs don't like him. Was does any of this crap have to do with the veracity of posts made on the forum that bears his name but he is not directly involved in running? Simkin and Walker seem like good people but if one of them turns out to be disreputable would that lessen the validity of posts made on this forum?