Mark Wilson

My point was that it was an informative post then he ends it with the whole "Jews control the media" thing which immediately detracts from the information. It's like if I were posting about the mob's role in the assasination and said "all Italians are mobsters." I could care less whether he likes Jews or not, but don't assume that all Jews share the same views on any topic, including Israel. I forget which prominent rabbi said this, maybe Daniel Lapin. "Jews agree on only one thing- that Jesus was not the Messiah." Happy Passover Scott,i disagree completely.You have the President of the United States and the most powerful Christian leader in American agreeing that there is Jewish dominance in the media.Therefore when discussing a theory that involves those dominants you must consider the message of the dominants... What was their message in regards to the JFK assassination? Oswald,lone nut,Warren Report,only 3 shots,and the magic bullet....fast forward 40 years and what is their message? WMD,regime change,liberate/democratize Iraq, and a strong indication that the United States was in imminent danger from Iraq....the messages sent 40 years ago are no closer to the truth than the messages sent 3 years ago. Clearly the media has lied about 11/22/63,9/11, and the war in Iraq among other things......why? it all comes down to who one thinks owns and runs the media.i'm of the opinion that there is a massive Jewish media monopoloy in America and when critically looking at Israel's possible involvement in 11/22/63 or any other black op/false flag situations that directly affect foreign policy, this must be considered.

Well I see it didn't take long for a plausible theory to denigrate into the usual "Jews control everything" diatribe. In case you're unaware, Scott, there's many people who believe the US media is run by those whose loyalty to Israel prevents them from objectivity in the analysis of Middle Eastern affairs. Myself included. How many stories on Fox or NBC are sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians? Do you think the Palestinians have been oppressed and dispossessed or is it just "poor leadership", as the Israeli lobby contemptuously suggests? Will the History channel be presenting an (objective) doco on the USS Liberty, an unresolved historical issue if ever there was one? Funny you should mention the History Channel not airing an "objective" documentary, because they have indeed aired a documentary on the Liberty that you would probably find "objective." See here. As for the plight of the Palestinians, they have been running almost all of the "occupied territories" for some time now, thus making the very phrase "occupied territories" a misnomer and placing the blame for their plight squarely on the Palestinian leadership. See this article by Professor Efraim Karsh, whose writings documenting the fabrications of the Israeli "New Historians" (Benny Morris, Illan Pappe, Avi Shlaim, etc.) were initially responsible for turning my views around on the Israel-Palestine conflict. I also find it hilarious that Mr. Wilson goes off on Stone for portraying Nixon as an anti-Semite (something I don't actually recall from my viewing of the movie, but whatever) and then, in the next paragraph, cites with approval the comments of Nixon and Billy Graham to the effect that the "Jews" run the media. I don't know how I missed this before. Edit: Oh yes, and to return to U.S. foreign policy in Israel, I'd like to note that the U.S. threatened to withdraw financial aid from Israel if Israel did not participate in its project to resettle the P.L.O. in the West Bank, the Madrid Peace talks. What an "ally." Owen,i wasnt going off on Stone for portraying Nixon as an anti semite,but he did.Rather,i was pointing out that yet again, the anti semite card had been played.As i recall Nixon was made out to be a racist,this was done when they were declassifying the transcripts of the Nixon tapes...Nixon had apparently used the slurs of Jews,Niggers, and possibly other racially offensive terms that were recorded on the tapes that needed to be cleaned up......my point about the media and film makers is that Israel is more than fairly represented in the media and in hollywood,some would say there's a Jewish media dominance in america......What's really hillarious is your denial of the Jewish influence in the media and hollywood and how any criticism or suspisions of Israel or Jewish propaganda is adressed as anti semitism...

More anti-Israeli nonsense. Israel as a state can certainly be subjected to criticism, but much of it is ridiculous and borderline, yes, "anti-Semitic." I really fail to see how the attack on the USS Liberty can be seen as anything other than a case of mistaken identity. First of all, I have never seen any plausible motive whatsoever put forward for why Israel would deliberately attack the ship. Second, Israel did not sink the Liberty. These two factors pretty much "sink" the theory. Its just another smear to paint the Jewish nation as totally malevolent and evil. This little piece by Dr. Dore Gold (former Israeli ambassador to the U.N.) shows that the U.S.'s recent Iraqi adventure has not been at Israel's behest, nor is it even necessarily in Israel's best interest. Also, this lengthy analysis by Dr. Francisco Gil-White shows that U.S. foreign policy has been pro-PLO, not pro-Israeli. How interesting that the United States should get the PLO out of Lebanon on the brink of their destruction by Israel, or that the PLO provided security for U.S. diplomats in the same conflict. This is just one example among many. In addition, another long series of articles by the same author details the attacks on Israel in the media by "former" CIA officials Raymond McGovern and Vincent Cannistraro, including linking Israel to 9-11 (for which there is still no evidence that hasn't been "cooked," so to speak). Hi,Owen..i agree with you,there are plenty of "woe is Israel" articles out there.We're so far apart on how we see things in regards to the role Israel plays in American foreign policy and the media there's no need to even comment further....i will add that you've embellished Ray McGovern's influence in the media.His best moments have been on CSpan,which is not the mainstream media. Ray McGovern's work since 9/11 has been very admirable in my opinion..

Hi Scott.....these kind of statements are what i'm talking about....rather than participate and offer alternative ideas you deal the anti semite card straight from the bottom of the deck.There are hundreds of theories out there about the JFK assassination but let someone consider Israel amongst them and the dirty dealing begins.Piper,myself and others that feel Israel is worth taking a look at as a possible conspirator may be wrong in considering this theory,but i'll tell what Richard Nixon,the reverand Billy Graham, and others werent wrong about and that the Jewish dominance in the American media....We've got spies,bribes, crooked congressmen,secrets being stolen,pardons,treason,wars being started,and manipulation transpiring every day that CLEARLY benefits Israel which gets little if any mention by the "american" media but you let a black stipper charge rape against the Duke lacross team, or a woman walking around with semen from 2 different men in her undergarments claiming Kobe Bryant raped her and watch the 'american' media cover a story....Full hours,multiple shows nightly on multiple channels.....OJ,Kobe,Monica,Lacy Peterson this list goes on.....my position is that the media is the key to any cover up,9/11 is a great example, coincidently or not, another windfall lottery win for Israel......9/11 and 11/22/63 are very similar,both had immediate cover stories,directly influenced foreign policy,wash investigations, and Israel is stronger because of both of these events.

hi Ron...no doubt about it,no smoking Mossad guns in Dealey Plaza or anywhere in the JFK puzzle....i would argue that some of the relevant figures that were known CIA ,were possibly double agents.Quite frankly,i think the Mossad would've been interested, at this time in history, in any possible double agents,CIA or anywhere else.Jack Ruby wouldve definitely been a person of interest to the Mossad,is there evidence of any of the JFK players being Mossad double agents? i'm not aware of any and dont look for any to be popping up anytime soon....My theory is based more on the course of history,the media cover stories/theories/list of suspects, and who really did gain the most as a result of JFK being eliminated....11/22/63 couldve been the windfall lottery luck that Israel needed to become the world power it is today or there's more to it.

Thanks guys for supplying some of the dots. i'd like to qualify my original post... in late 1963 it was clear that a plot against JFK was in the works,the exposed Chicago and Miami assassination plans having been thwarted in the weeks before Dallas...looking back it's easy for us to say now,how in the hell could they let JFK ride in an open car under those conditions in the proximity of the Miami and Chicago plots? i think people in the know in 1963 would have asked the same key questions then as we can so easily answer now...threats all over the place,JFK needed extra security,not less......and this is where the unknown administrators come into play to coordinate the various players needed....at the very least,i would put the Mossad in a front row seat watching this all unfold and then using the first hand knowledge of the crime to bride and blackmail the relevant power figures in the investigation/cover up as well as future agendas when need be.......at the very most i would put the Mossad as chief co conspirator with the MIC in which they coordinated the various aspects and players as to leave the trail pointed in various directions excluding Israel and the MIC,such as the Mafia,CIA,big Oil,Castro,the Birch society, or Oswald...The Mossad has a ruthless reputation for getting the job done,it's my hunch that 11/22/63 has something to do with it....if it's true, they lay claim to killing the most powerful leader in the world,having wash investigations that point everywhere but to them,dominating the america media(see below) so any relevant evidence is totally ignored,and money / resources in hollywood to put false theories out regularly....who makes movies,who financed Stone's JFK? how about the movie Nixon?, what a bumbling, drunken, anti semite fool it made him out to be with again the insinuation being that Nixon had some knowledge or involvement via Hunt,Sturgis in the JFK assassination. on a semi related note....today on Chris Matthew's Hardball,they discussed the Nixon tapes where Nixon and the reverand Billy Graham had a conservation where Nixon said the Jews dominated the media and Graham said the stranglehold must be broken or the country would go down the drain,a comment he later apologized for....These tapes were more than 30 years ago and less than 10 years from when JFK was killed.

Hello all.Awhile back i read this article and it has stuck with me,especially the passage below...You can read the entire article and it's context...There's been alot of info and disinformation about the JFK assassination through the years...In recent years there has been an effort on the part of the media to censor and discredit 2 pieces of this puzzle; first,Piper Collins' Final Judgement and second, Nigel Turner's Guilty Men.....more than 40 years after the assassination and the following propaganda,it's clear to me that Israel was the big winner of the end game in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63...If you follow the money,power, policies,and influence since 1963 to the middle east and United States Congress of today,one can either conclude that Israel has obtained it's immense power and influence as either a coincidence or a conspiracy......At the end of the day,my hunch is that the Mossad was a silent in the shadow administrator in JFK's death in concert with the Military Industrial Complex.The MIC was a very important part of the plot on the domestic front in regards to controlling and bringing together elements needed of the Military Intelligence, FBI,CIA,Secret Service, the mafia,Dallas PD, the media, and the investigation/cover up....The conditions were right for Israel in 1963,their man,LBJ, was a breath away from the presidency....JFK vs. the Federal Reserve was also as important a factor as any, as history shows in the Lincoln assassination......the Federal Reserve has strong ties to Israel,to say the least...At the end of the day on 11/22/63 until now,Israel would dictate the policies to the United States. i tend to agree with Piper's general theory on the landscape of how Israel has progressed militarily and in the United States policies since 1963.Bottom line,they call the shots...look no further than the United States waging and threatening war today on Israel's worst blood enemies....the whole 9 yards from the USS Liberty to Jack Abramoff and everything in between. with the build up Israel has had since 1963 why havent more people at least pointed out the coincidence of the time line with the assassination of JFK? http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/mossadandtheassassination.htm ""how about some numbers? In Kennedy's last fiscal budget year of 1964, Israeli aid was $40 million. In LBJ's first budget of 1965, it soared to $71 million, and in 1966 more than tripled from two years earlier to $130 million! Plus, during Kennedy's administration, almost none of our aid to Israel was military in nature. Instead, it was split equally between development loans and food assistance under the PL480 Program. Yet in 1965 under the Johnson administration, 20% of our aid to Israel was for the military, while in 1966, 71% was used for war-related materials. Continuing in this same vein, in 1963 the Kennedy administration sold 5 Hawk missiles to Israel as part of an air-defense system. In 1965-66, though, LBJ laid 250 tanks on Israel, 48 Skyhawk attack aircrafts, plus guns and artillery which were all offensive in nature. If you ever wondered when the Israeli War Machine was created, this is it! LBJ was its father.""

great picture..thanks for clearing that up. mark

hi everyone.my first post.i'm from virginia, in the good ole usa...my question concerns the famous altgens photo that has oswald or lovelady looking out from the entrance of the tsbd, among other things and reactions going on around the time jfk first reacted by reaching to his throat/neck area....my question concerns the man,with the blacked out face, standing just to the left of oswald/lovelady and next to the attractive woman who is in between oswald/lovelady and mr. blacked out face........who is this man? who blacked out his face and why?. mark

I'm single,live in Richmond Va, USA, I'm 51 years old and a baptist... I'm a small business owner specializing in renovations/maintenance with electrician being my original trade... I have a high school education..... the jfk assassination is an insatiable hobby of mine... I look forward to participating.