Trygve V. Jensen

The Sixth Floor Museum has confirmed that the Keith Griffith film, the Frank Marotta film, the Fredna Stewart film, and the Anita Hansen film were (among others) licensed by Jeudy in 2013, for his documentary.

These four films mentioned, are all home movies of the motorcade in Dallas, from earlier along the route, than Dealey Plaza. 

The footage from Bethesda does not come from the Museum's collection, and is unfamiliar to them. Not being able to assist in determining the source of any of it.

Only the end - part of the clip with the Honor Guard, - after Bethesda, --- which is taken from "Years of Lightning, Day of Drums".

On 6/10/2018 at 7:40 PM, Ron Ecker said:

Films by the following people are listed in the credits of the Patrick Jeudy video compilation which includes footage from Bethesda. Can anyone identify any of them?

George Jefferies
William Ward Warren
George Reid
Jackie Tindel
Jack Jernigan
Keith Griffith
Pat Sanders
Anita Hansen
Frank Marotta
Fredna Stewart

Maybe one or more of them might know what was or was not filmed at Bethesda and by whom.

 

EDIT:  I Google searched these names. Found no info on Griffith, Hansen, Marotta, and Stewart. The others filmed at Love Field (3) and DP (3).

 

 

ABCNEWS is also credited.

As well as Dallas Cinema Associates, John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum, Noir et blanc en couieur, and NARA.

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I wrote the Sixth Floor Museum, - asking for assistance in determining this, - and also asked about the 4 films you mentioned.

The bottom picture in this link, depicts in the background, a photograph from the Anita Hansen Collection : https://www.jfk.org/betty-barton-kilgore-rangerette-1960-campaign/  . Whatever that is.

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"The Lost JFK Tapes : The Assassination" , credits as stock footage, - the Keith Griffith Film,and the Frank Marotta Film. But I can not now as I am writing, - recall seeing that Bethesda - footage, in that one.

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A Fredna Stewart - search seems to give few hits of relevance at first glance.

2 minutes ago, Ron Ecker said:

Are you or anyone able to tell if the Bethesda footage was filmed with a TV camera or a  home movie camera like Zapruder's? I wouldn't know the difference.

I remember Gary Mack saying that TV cameras in those days were too bulky to have been taken to Bethesda, hence no TV coverage. Sounded lame to me, since TV cameras were sure taken to a lot of other places back in those primitive days.

 

I wouldn't either, being far from an expert.

Hopefully someone can assist in determining such a thing. Or simply , - at one point, - assist in determining the source. What film(s) it is. I.e. if it is one,or several of those listed in the credits.

Too bulky ? I don't understand the logic of that. Wish he was still around.

Yes, of course.

I just meant in general, - the footage from Bethesda. What the source is. Who filmed it. And if something ( even if less interesting ) , is excluded .

If it had contained what you describe, - it would have been included in the documentary. And for that matter, be more known by now, - given its importance.

And if your recollection of seeing it,  is correct, - then perhaps this source/footage , once did contain it. At some point. Or there are / were multiple sources . Several films.

3 hours ago, Ron Ecker said:

Trygve,

Thanks for posting that. I don't understand French and can't tell what is arriving at Bethesda and what is arriving at the White House. And it still doesn't include what I (falsely?) remember seeing on live TV, which was the ambulance with the casket arriving in front of the hospital and sitting there for 12 minutes, until (as best I "falsely" remember) a military officer got in and drove it away. A possible reason why that footage is not included (if I saw it) is that it was destroyed (to avoid questions of why the casket sat there unattended for 12 minutes). But at this point I don't think I will ever know.

 

 

 

Thanks goes not to me, but to Denis Morissette, - who provided the link yesterday. To what he himself uploaded some months ago.

It is (at least in part) from the same source; the documentary by Patrick Jeudy. But it includes more (if just a little bit) from the arrival, or the moments beforehand.

Even if not including what you remember seeing.

If not anything else, - it would seem it at least is confirmation, that some of it was indeed filmed. By someone. Whether it aired on TV or not.

It seems somewhat chronological, - so the end - part , would be the arrival at the White House, - where you see they carry the casket up the stairs.

As said, - the documentary lists its sources, - including films/footage, I can not remember having heard of before. And by including this footage in the production - process , - who knows if there is segments left out. Or not.

For whatever it is worth, - and if of interest to anyone.

Documentaries are given multiple titles . This one I found, - titled as "Inside JFK's Assassination" (2013) - directed by Patrick Jeudy.

https://www.amazon.com/Inside-JFKs-Assassination-Patrick-Jeudy/dp/B079C86SYN

I was not able to order it,- (one can watch it at this link through Prime).

One version is uploaded to Youtube, - but it is taken from a Turkish broadcast on Viasat. A language I do not speak.

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It seems Jeudy  is quite skilled in his craft.

Making it more challenging ( at least for me ) - with a 100% certainty , - to know what is actual real footage from the day of the assassination, - and what is not. The filmmaker(s) add sound to known footage.  What caught my interest was (seemingly) real footage from Parkland, from Bethesda, and elsewhere. Which I had never seen before, anywhere.

First I noticed a very short segment, which at first, seemed interesting, - but it just can not have been recorded at Nov 22nd. The Stemmons sign, seems gone, - the lighting seems off, - and the camera seems to zoom. Still do not know the source of it.

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Many questions pop into mind, when watching this documentary, - but for all I know, - they have been answered long ago here.

The priest being interviewed at Parkland (at 16m45s) (maybe it is included in "The Lost Tapes"), ------- the (what seems like a) person lying on the floor at the left wall, outside the door. Etc. etc.

The above posted footage, - at least the segment, when the hearse leaves Bethesda, - seems genuine. Robert McNamara, and William Greer is identifiable. - But for all I know, - it could be filmed at a different location, - but where in the world could that , if so, be ? At least I personally found it interesting.

The end - credits show the sources used in the production. Some of them , I had not heard of before.

It seems the left is by Harry Cabluck yes.

And this one :

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The one to the right is apparently by Richard Oscar Bothun :

16 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

Trygve,

 

I personally believe that this is the person known as "Black Dog Man". If you look at these pictures from the bottom to the top, you can follow him as he leaves the corner of the fence and is walking east down the sidewalk running between the low brick wall and the Elm St. extension.

 

 

Steve Thomas

Thanks Steve. Interesting. I had even worse English back then, when asking him those questions.

I'm then wondering which route exactly he would have walked, - following the series of photos you provided. From "1" to "2". 

East of fence, west of the pedestal in Betzner. Then on the south side of the Pergola - east end, on this second photo from the bottom. ( Who took it ?)

On 3/11/2018 at 1:57 PM, Steve Thomas said:

Trygve,

 

I looked into this several years ago. Please forgive me, I am just going by memory now. I didn't keep any notes.

If I remember correctly, Charles Hodges and one or two classmates were working on a school project having to do with Kennedy's visit to Dallas (maybe for a Social Studies or current History class?).  They took pictures at Love Field and again at Parkland Hospital. I think their story is connected to a story about a Secret Service Agent grabbing a camera from a teenager at Parkland and ripping the film out of it.

You might be able to pull up references by running a search for Hodges in the Mary Ferrell Foundation website, or by searching for Hodges in this Forum's search engine.

 

Steve Thomas

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Charles Hodges :

13 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Which reminds me: Has anyone ever gotten to the bottom of that army intel photographer being there that day?

This cannot not have been posted before, - and must be well known by now. ( Walt Brown's remarks about this ) I (re)post it anyway. ( Don't know what the consensus on his opinions is. ( What has by now been refuted etc.  ) )

Attempt to revive the old channel.

Playlist 1 (Documentaries) : (If of any interest at all).

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Playlist 2 : (JFK - Assassination related uploads) (same)

Thanks.

On 5/13/2018 at 8:08 AM, David Von Pein said:

 

Hi, - I suspect you if anyone can answer. As I suspect you have it available on your channel.

Exhausted, --- both memory and concentration not being at peak-level atm., to say it mildly. So figured I'd just ask. Isn't it the SS re-enactment, or.

( Seems I uploaded another short "recreation-film" 11 years ago, which seems to be the Feb' 64 - one, - done mainly by the FBI. What an utterly terrible quality also).

What would be the correct title of this one , and is there narration or similar in the original audio, instead of this music etc.  `?

Yes, those are of quite good quality. The last four photographs in that series as well, from Dealey Plaza.

Been wasting my time lately on Youtube, on so many people endorsing the theory of the sniper "visible within the sprocket - hole - area of the Zapruder - film." --- "exposed", and "proven to be located on top of the County Records Building" - "based on the lightpole / lamp post above his head". ---- A lamp post which did not exist until decades later , as I have understood it. And not even being a lamp post, - but surveillance cameras, attached to what looks like lamp - posts, - designed to blend in into that historical arena.

The first photo of the Plaza, in the link you provided above, - shows the left (northwest) corner of the roof at the County Records Building. Of course with no time-travelling-lamp-posts visible.

It is perhaps a waste of time, - but people are making money on altering / faking photographs / colorizing images, - claiming it to be proof,evidence,facts etc. --- On this case of cases, that so many have devoted their life to, on so many different fields / issues. It is just disrespectful, and wrong,- but of course, - so much is.

I'll just say thanks once again for the time devoted to make so much of the footage / audio / photographs , - etc. available. Regardless of view / perspective, - the result is that so many , from all over, - benefit on it.

Thanks.

Had been searching for a tool or similar , - which would be able to make this/these somehow searchable.

So now this astounding amount of pdf-files, has been converted into a searchable format, - and compiled into a single database.

A 3032 page index - file, with link implented on each file-listing, to a download to the referred document itself.... --- that is some outstanding work done, which would benefit many.

Maybe already linked to. If not : ( The site has uploaded much to Youtube in HD quality )

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=criticalpast+kennedy

Off - topic, - not being photo - related , -- but just wanted to say that I enjoyed this one particularly, - being in good quality. Thanks for sharing that one. And for the photo - links of course.

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Let's hope there is still footage out there, in shoeboxes in dusty attics, or similar, -----which eventually will surface. There must be some. And that there is some in tv/radio - vaults as you say, - is even more certain I think. They can't just let them dust away forever. It is history.

Sidenote; As mentioned, - I found the CriticalPast - site interesting, - but if anything there is of interest, I wouldn't know. Perhaps, or perhaps not.

552 motion-picture - results on a search with a one year date - span for instance. (1963-11-22 -- 1964-11-22)

http://www.criticalpast.com/products/search/?newSearch=1&month1=&day1=&srch=1&temp=0&rtm=1526319620&sort_by=&sort_order=&q=&color=any&audiodata=any&edited=any&language=all&date=range&dateFrom=1963-11-22&datefromhidden=1877-04-01&dateTo=1964-11-22&datetohidden=1996-04-01&location_sel=any&location=&length=any

Most likely old news, or irrelevant; - ( I wouldn't know) . Just finding it interesting. Reading Frazier's account to a Norwegian newspaper. (Two of the major newspapers here, published several articles / clips etc.  - on the occasion of the 50th. anniversary , in 2013.)

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- "Frazier was perhaps the last person to talk to Oswald before he killed President Kennedy". The 69 - year - old, tells the newspaper. (November 9th. 2013).

- Was on his way home from work, after Lee had been arrested.

Interrogations at the DPD :

- "They knew I knew Lee. They wanted to know if I was aware of his plans (to shoot JFK). I explained to them, how he had behaved that day, - but made them aware that I had no idea of what he had done."

- Detectives told him "We will let you go home now". But before he was allowed to leave,- Fritz came in with the document, which he wanted him to sign.

- "I passed the polygraph with flying colors. I repeated several times, - that I had nothing to do with this."

- "Late in the evening, when I got back to the hospital, - I saw that my car had been "gone through" by the Police". (Looked like a mess).

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Just in case anyone has not yet seen these by now.

I remember back in 2006 / 2007, - John Dolva talking about the version of the Nix - film , used in this production. It wasn't the easiest footage to obtain back then .

The two versions differ slightly. I.e. the clip in the U.S. release at about 1 hr 23 min. , - seems to be cut short, compared to the original.  

I Due Kennedy ( Directed by Gianni Bisiach , - released in 1969 ) :

The U.S. version (released 1976):

The attention is at about 39 minutes in, directed to what  is called a scoop. A chapter in Larry Sabato's book, - (which he promotes). He says they basically disproved, beyond any shadow of a doubt, - the conclusion made by the HSCA, regarding the acoustical evidence.

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Dr. Donald B. Thomas comments on this (AARC Library):

"Author and historian Jim DiEugenio speaks about one of the most discussed yet least understood areas of John F. Kennedy's presidency. Jim is the founder of CTKA, author of Destiny Betrayed, Reclaiming Parkland, innumerable articles and lectures, and The Assassinations with Lisa Pease. He is a prolific and tenacious investigative writer and researcher whose works continue to shed new light on our path of discovery.