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I was afraid of that.
Thank you very much Mark.
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On 2/24/2014 at 9:37 PM, Thomas H. Purvis said:
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What would appear to be a true researcher!
Now, delete the word "alledgely", as the three shots in approximately 5.6 seconds is BS.
Factually, there were only two shots in this elapsed time.
Shot#3 did not occur until approximately 1.9 seconds AFTER the Z313/Shot#2 headshot.
And, due to the short elapsed time, this had to be what is referred to as a "Snap Shot" in which one throws the rifle up, and utilizing it's fixed iron sights, shoots.
Which shot, by the way also struck JFK in the head.
Tom
Just bumping , as this seems to be Thomas' last post I can find here. Anyone heard from him ?
We had some private messaging going on, and I see we had discussed some of his research, - he allowing me to publish some of it, - "with limitations", whatever what was meant by that, as long as attaching copyright - notices. What happened in the following years , with his research, - I have no idea atm. If it was published / debunked , - or if he even located the remaining boxes of it. What remains in my old disk, - is just a fragment.
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34 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:
Hi Trygve, it was a chance click of the mouse, 18 months ago, that brought me back, fully, to the JFK case, 20 something years after having read Garrison's OtTotA. I clicked on the Wynne and Vicki video and I had to learn who these characters were. Wynne' story is fascination, and I believe him, at the time. The story just grew to encompass many aspects of the case and he did not want to answer fair questions about it. So, no, I am less than sure about his story.
That's fascinating in itself, - how a "chance-click-of-a-mouse", changed your course
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I'll try watch a bit of part 4 now. It is not password - protected either, as it apparently was at some point in time.
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4 hours ago, Michael Clark said:
David Boylan shared the following document which I believe is a near-bombshell revelation. I think it radically alters the perception of LHO as being sheep dipped in NOLA to being that of a CIA asset assigned to infiltrate pro Castro groups. James McCord was running an operation to infiltrate the FPCC, and this document shows that McCord was working for David Atlee Phillips. It puts the Southland hotel meeting between Veciana, LHO and Phillips in context and perspective. While LHO was to become a latter-day Patsy, in the summer of 1963 he was working for the CIA.
http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/NARA-Nov9-2017/104-10128-10300.pdf
Having to catch up on an overwhelmingly large amount of information, as well as learning things for the first time, - I find it easy to divert myself, in order to fully more comprehend the importance. Did not open the document until now.
In retrospect I can't remember studying this (the meeting) in much depth in the past. I do remember scratching the surface. One of the surviving clips (2007) from my channel:
------ It is also apparently from EOR, - and you all have seen it. (Here (with Bill O`Reilly?) stated meeting was in August, - not September).
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In short, - I should thank you for making my Saturday evening not only interesting, and fascinating, - but also more constructive.
I plunged into some searching, - (found out this document is not within the folder I downloaded myself) - which amongst many things, - redirected me back here to this thread: ---------
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------ which for me of course started out very intriguing, - but as this thread halted on January 5th; - with a description of Wynne's part 4 (which I have yet to see) , - where he at that point apparently has derailed / escalated (t)his whole discussion/recollection of the meeting itself, - into his own remarks/views, about the RFK - assassination, - the Polka Dot Girl, - and maybe even "Mind - Control" (Vicki) , -------- I must say, that IM(prejudiced)O. (before even watching these 2 available parts, - cause they are just that: available, - even stated otherwise in the thread) ---impression of this person's account's credibility) - diminished somehow. (Still I have not much to base that upon).
Maybe I shall watch this two parts now. It seems Wynne just disappeared ?
----- Point of interest, of maybe no importance, even if I understood it correctly, --- from that thread was this: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=111947#relPageId=11&tab=page
There haven't come forth any explanation for why the HSCA cites Vic Walthers' interview only ? Perhaps it's just getting too late, - and I am just misreading/misunderstanding things;
He did, --- or did not interview Veciana , August 19th - 1977 ? (My misunderstanding-rate just increases , the later it gets here, - so I'll just press Submit, - and try to remember the second thing I was meaning to ask, (or was it comment on)).
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Anyway, - thanks for linking to that document, showing J.M. worked for Philips.
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Thank you Michael C. Appreciate any input. Will read up on it after dinner.
Being a less-than-average-informed sheep, - while reading through this thread, - I was taken to newspaper-articles, - linking to some informer(s) saying Tippit was the assassin ( :-) ) - having met LHO and Ruby at some bar, - and Ruby meeting LHO in Florida etc. etc. Fun Saturday - evening - entertainment after a long day working, even if it is fiction.
Thanks again, - any tips / directions towards points of interest, - appreciated. Downloaded a 9GB Folder, containing 6684 pdf - files, and the 17 audio-files, --- but realized I have no idea what it is, (as it was not labeled in a orderly fashion) - pertaining to which dates released, - if it (of what was released last summer and fall ) has been released already in the past, ---- nor any idea how much information is still, - and perhaps will forever be sealed.
Have a further splendid day / evening / night - depending on your location.
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All the audio released, - was it 100% Nosenko - interviews, or anything else ?
Anything particularly juicy discovered by now , in the released records or ?
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5 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:
Thanks for posting that.
In the stretch from about 1:07 to 1:10, please look for three things that are really notable.
Ruby trying to conceal himself behind Harrison, who I am pretty sure is the guy slightly to his right.
The timing of the horns which is just eerie. I am not saying that it was a signal I am just saying that its weird.
FInally, see how far in front of the four corner protection plan Fritz got and also the almost unbelievable tardiness with which he reacts to Oswald getting shot. If Fritz had not done that, I do not think Ruby could have shot Oswald as he did.
Too many people in the critical community do not analyze this as they should. It is a dead giveaway to the spider's web design of the plot.
Thanks for the input. The one to the left of Ruby, is someone else then.
I shouldn't be posting when being so tired. Linked the above clips , broken down for ease, - and didn't notice until this morning, -- that this exact event (towards the end of the clip) was also posted as a short snippet back then , - naming it "Captain John Will Fritz". Excerpt from EOR. Would have have made it easier last night, - but anyway, - then it's both the entire part 1, - and this short snippet , including the footage in that timestamped link from the entire episode.
47 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:In that first video link provided in Tyrgve's post you will hear one of the press people ( Fred Rheinstein ) present in the DPD hallways the evening of 11,22,1963 ( where Oswald is being moved back and forth in front of him and the crush of the press crowd ) say... that he hated to say it but the DPD actually "paraded" Oswald in front of them.
That is the extreme opposite of logical and adequate "security" for a criminal suspect of Oswald's alleged high crime magnitude. So much so it shouts suspicion.
Thanks for the input to you too. That clip seems to be from some documentary I can not recall at this moment. Interesting to hear them describe yes. Tom Pettit, Fred Rheinstein, Homer Venso, Chet Hagan, and Red Walker.
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Semi-on topic; -- broken down snippets from the old days, (for ease) : (mostly from Evidence of Revision, but it seems some clip(s) were from "Murder of JFK - A Revisionist's History" and "JFK - Breaking the News".
The Killing Of Lee Harvey Oswald: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjphDSY5QJ4
Chaos at the Dallas Police Department: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7KItsGP0ps
Oswald is eliminated - The Aftermath: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrwZCpdvvHA
Did Oswald get picked up or not? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqHu1Aw2Z4s
The critical minutes - Dealey Plaza: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCdW8GntC-0
Excerpt from the Alyea film : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHyuApXqja0
The Depository revisited - Alyea#2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WQr4y1j4Gw
The Mauser 7.65 rifle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AqqNKsWCGY
Search for an assassin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqXOWMU4_3E
Various news footage - post assassination : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgtRwNq7vbE
The impeachment of LBJ - Nov22nd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meCnZOZqNk0Jack Ruby - part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ6bQmxE-qM
Jack Ruby - part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDDxYOqyqlc
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Seems I derailed it a bit here, - sorry about that.
Edit : thought maybe something would be of interest, if people have trouble finding it, - even though Youtube is full of hits on this search now. Not sure what is blocked exactly , from other than my own country. Part 3 is blocked in the US, - when uploading the complete episode, as said.
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On 3/27/2018 at 1:22 PM, Trygve V. Jensen said:
Think these series contributed to my interest in the case, - and the initiation of making the channel.
When posted clips from that series in 2006-2007, it was as said , only because I could not locate them anywhere on Youtube back then.
Now a search - result gives tons of hits. Tried uploading them myself, before this search, this year. Part 3 was blocked, in one country alone; USA.
The reason is 2 minutes of footage, concerning, the morning of the nomination of the Vice - presidency, - in LBJ's bedroom, with Connally. RFK stormed into the room, and "started screaming at Johnson, - knewing what was good for him,- he'd get off that ticket". ......"they hated eachother (LBJ and RFK). "Old man Rayburn said "**** Sonny", - and kicked him out". --"Johnson "playing "second fiddle" - and that those Vice-presidential years were agony for him". Even though JFK treated him well, - but no one else, according to this. Etc etc.
Shame the entire video (1 hour 33 minutes) - is blocked because of these 2 minutes, copyrighted by PBS apparently.
Nothing new, - but good that those series are more available today, than back then. Just in the sense of making information available.
Thanks to "Terrence Raymond" .
1 hour ago, Kirk Gallaway said:The video is unavailable.
I've seen it a few times over the years, and occasionally go back to certain sequences as a film reference. I like it a lot too. It does have good music and is artfully done for a film which is a series of news clips. It takes footage from Frontline , The Men who Killed Kennedy, Abc 20/20, the major networks.. Much more selective than TMWKK. But still there's Badgeman, Barr Mc Clleland, Madeleine Duncan Brown, only to name a few I can remember. I don't subscribe to all the theories posited, or believe all the witnesses, but that's ok. I had never seen that C span interview with Don Hewitt. I think this and "RFK must die" are good primers on the RFK Assassination.
I think most people here would really enjoy it. Definitely a good binge watch on a rainy day. It would be a good film to strap DVP to a chair, and make him get an overview of the forest from the purported trees.
4 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:This series is exceptional for the basic reason that it contains film footage that i have never seen before anyplace.
The stuff from the Dallas Police headquarters prior to Oswald being shot is like a jolt to the stomach. You can actually see Ruby hiding behind Blackie Harrison.
The guy (in white) in front of him, - and not the guy in suit , with glasses on his left , or ?
If being as tired as me right now, - one could imagine that it seems Ruby is saying something to this guy , - who may seem (if continuing speculating) to jump just as fast as him into the picture, - as if they came there together. Or that guy leading him into this position. ( I should go to bed
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So tired I even didn't see your post Joe.
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8 hours ago, Ray Mitcham said:
Please accept my apologies, Trygve. I should have spelled your name correctly.
I wasn't criticising your comments just suggesting what may have happened.
No apologies needed at all Ray. I have a high misspelling - frequency myself . More important to just understand eachother.
Have a nice day !
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Yes apparently he had a good view. Tower in background. Not sure what has changed since then (1963). Never been to the Plaza.
Someone mentioned a car, - or cars that may have been parked behind the Pergola , obfuscating/obscuring/obstructing (whatever the correct English term is) his view.
In general, as said yesterday; "if there was an assassin, or several - in any of those areas, -- he would be the one to see him/she/them. He or perhaps Edna Case which I think someone mentioned, - who was looking out of the window from the Depository (westwards) -- but for some reason did not hear any shots. (!)"
Or J.C. Price . Stated in the Lane - interview, that he saw a man running etc. etc. But he stated some strange recollections in his WC - testimony I believe, - or was it the affidavit the same day. Can't remember. I have to run now, - - no time available.
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39 minutes ago, Ray Mitcham said:
Who said it exited, Trigve? Look at the tracheotomy, does it look like a normal one to you or a butchered attend[mpt to get at a bullet?
Hi Ray, - we both have an "y" in our names
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Being out of the game for so long, - this is one of the many many areas I am as far as an expert, one can possibly be.
So I have no idea if anyone said it exited, - and did not say anyone said so either; that it exited.........--- I just asked if it did, - and if so, - where to ? Simple.
Picking up info here and there is interesting,- also in this matter. Any input appreciated.
I am not a doctor/medical expert either , - so I don't know how a normal Tracheo(s)tomy look like.
I interpret your view as , that it was a frontal shot, - -- that it did not exit, - and said procedure was in order to retrieve a bullet. Hastened and misunderstood interpretation perhaps.
Btw. : I ask because I want to learn, - and to pick up information / views / opinions / explanations etc. - from people who know what they are talking about. Lots of skilled/knowledgeable people in here. If it is interpreted that I ask in an insinuating way, or have any kind of agenda, - that is not my intention.
Edit: As a contributor to derailing the topic of the thread, - I apologize for doing so.
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3 hours ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:
Trygve,
There is no good explanation why people did not see those people in the shelter as assassins. People must have been confused and did not know how to make sense of what they saw.
Did any of the countless witnesses , state they saw two men together , - with rifles in their hands --- inside the shelter / Pergola , or anywhere closeby, - in the immediate aftermath of the shots ? Wouldn't someone had done so ?
It is undeniable that there where two shots from the shelter. The Mary Moreman photograph shows a figure there even if you do not colorize it. All versions of the Nix film shows that there was a shot from the third window from the bottom of the shelter and a shot from the pathway.
The pathway; behind the pergola where the anomaly in the Nix - film was , discovered in 2006 ?
You should read the WC testimony of Ms. Sitzman. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/sitzman.htm
Then watch the Mark Bell film. Something does not add up. - Look at her actions. - She does state that she met an FBI man in the pergola!
So many things do not add up, when considering witness - testimonies, --- compared to what is shown in films/recorded/concluded, etc. Recollections that change over time as well. Some people stated they heard shots 1 - 5 minutes (!) after the first shot for instance. "JFK's ear was shot off" , etc. etc. Sitzman said she ran down the hill, met some men that she thought were CIA/Secret Service, - before going back up the hill, encountering the FBI - man.
Lee Bowers was not allowed to say on the record that he saw three men running from the triple underpass to a boxcar. Neither was he allowed to be told that he saw flashes of lights from the area around the pergola.
There is dispute about the whole Lee Bowers - issue. Mark Lane interviewed him, - and marked an X (at the corner of the fence (north side - parking lot) - where he supposedly placed the "unusual commotion" he saw, - but the transcript of the Lane - interview, could be interpreted differently. Just from memory, - - - it could also elsewhere, --- be interpreted that this commotion (flash of light, - smoke etc.) - he witnessed, --- was in (from his view) direct line towards the overpass. In the parking lot. I have not seen/heard a version, that he witnessed this, in the location of around the Pergola.
Even his death is regarded as suspicious by some, - but regardless; if there was an assassin, or several - in any of those areas, -- he would be the one to see him/she/them. He or perhaps Edna Case which I think someone mentioned, - who was looking out of the window from the Depository (westwards) -- but for some reason did not hear any shots. (!)
From Robin Unger's excellent collection:
https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/displayimage.php?pid=147&fullsize=1
https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/displayimage.php?pid=12520&fullsize=1
If an assassin was shooting from where you say, - this shooter must have been seriously tall, (unless there is an actual elevated platform or similar inside the shelter I do not know about) - even if standing on a "human-table" - which is described in the video you linked.
Even taller than the man described by Philip Ben Hathaway perhaps:
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I am a nitpicker, - and have trouble allowing myself to make assertions, - without being 100 % certain of something. As impossible/contradictory that in itself is/may sound.
One of many negative characteristics I have, - I guess.
So I simply don't feel I have enough to go on. The answer is; I do not know. (I had opinion(s) in the past, - but I'd like to keep those to myself)
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Thanks for clearing that up
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2 minutes ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:I disagree that the sniper is still aiming 30-seconds after the assassination. The person that made the video contends that clip was mere seconds after the assassination. If Mr. Darnell filmed it, it is impossible as he got off the vehicle that he was in mere seconds after the final shot as he was in the tenth car on the motorcade. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/animation.htm
I believe that someone was there. People there seem to be kneeling down doing something. Don't know what.
The Darnell clip, however, does not discredit the fact that there is other photographic and film evidence that show assassins in the pergola. You can see it in the Mary Moorman photograph and in the Nix film.
Whether there were assassins in the shelter or not, - I with my eyes, can not see them in neither the Moorman - photo, nor the Nix - film. But that's just my perception.
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44 minutes ago, Rick McTague said:
David,
Gov. Connally is reacting to the 2nd shot to enter the limo: the frontal shot that hit Kennedy in the throat.
Did it exit? - If so; where ?
Edit; Hi Rick btw.
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9 minutes ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:
Trygve,
The Darnell video was at least 30 seconds after the limo left Dealey Plaza.
Hi again, pretty busy atm. Just one remark;
I just reacted on you linking to that video , saying it would make sense of what you're saying. To me it damaged the credibility of what you are saying (not that I have had too much time to read up on it).
I don't see the connection with what you are saying, - and said video. Quite the direct opposite.
According to the guy in the video, the sniper is still aiming, caught in this "quick-split-moment" after the shots (Darnell). While you yourself say it is 30 seconds later.
Two very different things
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9 hours ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:
Trygve,
Watch this video - It will all make sense.
Thanks for your input; I'll just say that I respect your opinions, - and that I'm sorry I can not agree with them.
Too many things here do not make sense to me.
Like using a colorized snapshot from the Darnell - film, showing two assassins standing there ,------ (but not the person who served as a human-table-to-stand-on, who's back provided a probably not-too-stable-platform - on which the assassin with a (to me) abnormal big head, colorized into the zoomed photo, was crouching up and down in-record-speed -- on) ------ where one of them is still standing there with his rifle pointing, - such a long time after the shots, ---- that people had started running up the knoll , - running past these transfixed shooters with rifles, - ignoring them, - while they are in plain sight just a few feet away.
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As already mentioned previously, - I feel it should be "allowed" to appreciate (as I do) people's efforts, and dedication devoted, -- through so many years, - within the case of the assassination; - whether it be people with an opinion of that it was a conspiracy, - or people with an opinion of the opposite. Like you guys.
Trying to conquer the fear of posting in threads, regarding issues that causes highly emotional responses. Especially considering my non-expertise, -- compared with you guys.
Also the fear of being "flamed", - just to agree with someone on something.
Not educated within any of the relevant fields here, - I just observe with my amateuristic eyes. And I present no news. But to express an opinion, is not against the law.
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2 hours ago, David Von Pein said:And what about the OTHER films that show the SAME THING that the Zapruder Film shows? The Nix Film can be placed in perfect "sync" with the Z-Film (see video below), and they are identical as far as the limousine ALMOST coming to a stop but not quite coming to a complete stop.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0KFei3W7bGOR0p1ZFlqbTlKeDg/view
It is difficult for me to not agree with this .
Just from memory; -- do not the Zapruder - film, - the Nix - film, - and the Muchmore - film (and partly the Bronson - film) , show various indications that the Limo, did just that; slow down / almost stop ?
Like the tilting "forward" of the Limo, ( and "backwards" tilting, when Greer speeds up again ) while the Limo is always in motion. (Excuse my limited English btw).
Or (what my not-so-excellent memory tell me) --- that the right rear - brake-light (whatever it is called) is lit (someone stating this) - showing Greer hitting the brakes, as the Limo is always in motion here too.
Are all these films altered ?
The Bronson - film too ?
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Yet I also, - no matter how many times seeing the Zapruder-film (even when trying to persuade myself to see it from a non-SBT-supportive view) ---- just can not get away from seeing what looks like Connally being hit by the same bullet. It's just perception with very amateuristic eyes. Trying as hard as possible, - to consider that he is just startled/jumping up in seat/ -- even when holding his Stetson, or whatever, (as JFK is shot in the throat/neck ) ----- it to me is , to a high degree, - unavoidable seeing him being hit at the same time. Not stating I support/refute this theory (SBT) in itself. Just stating what I'm seeing.
Apologize in advance for just posting/expressing opinion/agreeing with someone/mis-observing.
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4 hours ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:
What is most interesting to me are the actions of Marylyn Sitzman's during and after the assassination. As you most know, I contend that two shots originated from the pergola (Shelter) behind where Mr. Zapruder was standing.
During the assassination, looking at the nix film, I see what seems to be two beige dots in what looks like Ms. Sitzman covering Mr. Zapruder's ears. Yet, she notes that she did not hear any shots close by. After the assassination, she stated in an interview that she went downhill met an officer, then rushed uphill again and met an FBI agent in or around the shelter; Film evidence from the Bell film shows her stepping off the block and looking into the shelter, never going downhill.
Hi Keyvan,
I don't know what most guys here know (about your opinion of a shooter stationed inside the shelter) - as I haven't gotten to read through much , of what has been posted the last 8 - 11 years here.
You mean inside of the shelter, - (cropped) to the very left here ? : (Just used google street maps, getting as close possible, - to the "X" (headshot) - in order to at some degree determine Bower's view.)
J. Dolva discovered the before-mentioned anomaly in the Nix - film in 2006, right about where that girl at the left is (behind/through the pergola) at the time of this google-street-view-photo. Seems like Bowers could have been able to see that one.
Wouldn't a shot from either of these locations have hit Jackie ?
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But; any news/insight/views/debunking/confirmation, ---- on anything he discusses/states in this clip from 2014 ? The information has been available a long time now, and must be well - known.
Just a few hurried notes of some of the things he says, while I was watching it; (yes a few of the names are surely misspelled, - as they were hard for my ear to register. Typed what they sound like. (haven't had time to search everything yet)) :
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Walt Brown speaks:
Conclusion. The military did it.
* J.D. Wilmouth ?: Colonel army intelligence, -- spoke Russian, - called M.Paine, said he wanted to visit/talk to Marina (linguistic interest - stated reason), - because of dialect (city of birth),- but of all people didn't need to.; (Phd. / fluent in russian, - - served in Moscow). Went there (to R. Paine) - real reason; "courtesy call."; said: "this guy (Kennedy) is gonna fall this weekend. either go along with what happens, or you're takin' the chances."
** Jack Crichton (I searched it up) - (army intelligence) ; (had been in sponsored partnership with George DeMohrenschildt - (late 50s)), was there when Marina + Ruth were brought in (to DPD) ---> translator needed, ----> called Ilya Mamantov (connected to elements in army intelligence), ..Marina questioned while Ruth Paine was in the room.
Not proved: his (Mamantov's ) translations were more injurious to Lee.O. from Marina, -- than her actually words were.*** Car with G. Lumpkin + Whitler (co-directors of the army intelligence that would have been, in the protective scenario; had there been one) + 2DPD - officers in the car, ----stopped at corner of Elm/Houston (which apparently was the reason they got delayed, and did not interfere with the security breach - that was that people never should have been on the overpass), ---- talked briefly there with Jim Powell (special-agent, army intelligence), which was there to take photographs only. His job, - was to make sure he saw Oswald in the window; then --- they knew the patsy was in place.
Powell was not allowed to take photos with somebody in the window with a gun, cause it would show it wasn't Oswald. He took photos, -- of the window, - just made sure to do so, when no one was visible in them.
**** Army had a file on Henry Lee Oswald. Not the same Oswald.
***** Last call from Oswald from prison; ( not to New York, in order to obtain the lawyer) ; but to North Carolina, - "John Hurt"? (army intelligence) - was told the party is "not answering" , (though a 2nd operator signed an affidavit, - that the call went through. Also - "two men in suits" listening in.
"For what it is worth; You can not find motorcade assignments , to traffic officers, .-- to get Kennedy back to Love Field. " They weren't planning to get Kennedy back to Love Field."
****** Robert Croft; an hour to kill, while waiting for train; took photographs in Dealey Plaza, and meant 4th photo was taken about when Kennedy was shot in the head. Confronted by FBI , - short time afterwards , - in Denver. Some photos not received, when returned to him, - including the one mentioned.
******* Arlen Specter: Army intelligence. "Circle completed".
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Edit: Thanks again Paul !
Yes I remember her interview(s). (Madeleine). And the recollections from the meeting at Murchinson's.
Interesting about PRS, - and FBI's assurement that no dangerous people were in Dallas. Sounds like they couldn't be more certain.
Hosty was (by whom , I can't recall tonight) characterized as a poor fellow, who just did his best, - and whos life was ruined by Hoover afterwards.
And Sorrels, --- didn't he express late in his life, - that he was sure/knew it was a conspiracy ?
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2 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:
Walt Brown on Barr McClellan and McClellan's book "Blood, Money and Power."
(2) John Kelin, JFK Breakthrough (1998)
A Texas-based assassination research group has publicly named a man believed to have left a previously unidentified fingerprint on a box making up the so-called "sniper's nest" on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository.
At a May 29 press conference in Dallas, researcher and author Walt Brown said that the fingerprints belong to Malcolm E. "Mac" Wallace, a convicted killer with ties to Lyndon Baines Johnson. The fingerprints have been officially unidentified since President Kennedy was assassinated in 1963.
Brown presented data showing a 14-point match between Wallace's fingerprint card, obtained from the Texas Department of Public Safety, and the previously unidentified print, a copy of which was kept in the National Archives. The match was made by A. Nathan Darby, an expert with certification by the International Association of Identifiers.
The Texas researchers forwarded their findings to the Dallas Police Department, who passed it on to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Copies have also gone to Assassination Records Review Board, the federal panel created to oversee the identification and release of records relating to the JFK assassination.
Malcolm Wallace, convicted in a 1951 murder and suspected in others, has been linked to the 1961 death of U.S. Department of Agriculture investigator Henry Marshall. Marshall was reportedly close to connecting Lyndon Johnson to fraudulent activities involving businessman and convicted swindler Billy Sol Estes.
Estes alleged in 1984 that LBJ ordered the killings of Marshall, President Kennedy, and half a dozen others, and that Wallace carried them out. A grand jury decided that same year that Henry Marshall was murdered as a result of a conspiracy involving then-Vice President Johnson, his aide Clifton Carter, and Wallace. No charges were possible since all three men were by then deceased.
Wallace was killed in a single car automobile accident in January 1971.
Barr McClellan, a Houston attorney and part of the Texas research team, told Fair Play that he began to focus on Wallace during his work as attorney-partner with Ed Clark, whom he described as an Austin power broker and one of those behind the assassination. "John Cofer, Wallace's attorney from the start, was our partner specializing in criminal cases," McClellan said. "From that position of insight, I knew Wallace played a key role in the assassination."
In the petition filed with the ARRB, McClellan wrote: "My direct involvement with Clark as his law partner and sole attorney occurred when he sought an additional payoff for the assassination." Negotiations for the payoff, McClellan told Fair Play, were "in May 1974 in a secret meeting with two members of the Railroad Commission."
The Wallace fingerprint match by Darby has been disputed by Glen Sample, who represents California-based researchers whose investigation parallels the Texas research. While Sample says the California group still believes Wallace "was one of the shooters" of President Kennedy, they do not believe his fingerprints are those from the TSBD box.
(3) Walt Brown, Barr McClellan’s Blood, Money, and Power (November 1, 2003)
On September 30, I mailed out the October, 2003 issue of the JFK/Deep Politics Quarterly, which contained positive, “endorsement” references to Barr McClellan’s “upcoming” work, Blood, Money, and Power: How L.B.J. Killed JFK. (That work also contains a jacket “blurb,” by me, which is valid in the sense that it reflected my opinions on the“to be corrected” “galley proofs” of the book that I read in July.) Several days later, I received the publisher’s edition of the book, and I have been deeply troubled by inconsistencies between what I read (and editorially corrected) in the page proofs and that which appears in the publisher’s edition, available for sale.
To readers of the journal, as well as to readers of my own works, I must issue an apology in that I would not have so eagerly endorsed this work had I known what the publisher’s edition would look like. I have known Barr McClellan for almost six years, and although we’ve never actually met, we have spent many hours together in the search for truth in the events of November 22, 1963. I have no reason to think that his work is in any way an attempt at deceit, but at the same time, I have no answers to the “why?” of how it went from a solid, stand-on-its-own-legs work in July to an almost fictionalized account in October. If anyone reading this found as much disappointment in the book as I did, I apologize if you made this reading selection based on my endorsement. For those who have read the JFK/Deep Politics Quarterly at any time in the past nine years, you know that when I review a published work, I tend to be critical, not laudatory. Had I not known Barr (from the proverbial “Adam”), and this book crossed my desk, I would have had no choice BUT TO BE CRITICAL of it, as it contains egregious errors of a factual nature and it takes literary license beyond bounds in its attempts to “factionalize” events not actually known, but highly suspected, by the author. I should also add that if the premise of this book was “Oswald only,” and it had such errors and “faction,” any reviewer who has had material published in the journal would have had a field day.
Chronology: Barr McClellan initially sent me his manuscript in 1998. It was an interesting read with respect to what he called “Bubba Justice,” a parochial nickname for the ol’ boy legal network in Texas. The vast majority of that manuscript dealt with that topic and devoted very little space to McClellan’s close working ties with Ed Clark, portrayed as LBJ’s “cover-up” lawyer in matters dealing with the JFK assassination.
There the matter rested until I became aware that the book was to be published, with the original publication date set for late 2002, and then moved to early 2003. Since I had not been privy to that process, I assumed the author was moving ahead, on his own, and I wished him well.
He sent me the “new” manuscript early in 2003, and I edited it thoroughly, both for mechanics (grammar, usage, spelling), and, more importantly to me, for factual accuracy. I rewrote parts of it for greater clarity in matters pertaining to events in Dealey Plaza. The edited manuscript was then Fed-Ex’d back to Mississippi in the depths of winter.
In June, I was asked to “take a peek at the galleys,” and another researcher, who had also worked extensively with Barr, was asked to do likewise. When the galleys arrived, in page-proof form, it was immediately obvious that the manuscript I had returned in February had been massively altered, and, in particular, there were glaring errors of fact in the galleys that had been added following the February edit. One case in point was a notation regarding Will Fritz, cited as the Dallas Police Chief. I was wholly at a loss to explain how that, and other, similarly obvious errors had made their way into the manuscript, but I had to remind myself that I had only been the editor, not the author.
I faxed the first 154 galley pages back to Barr in early July, but then literally hit a wall as I found error after error in the part(s) covering events from Love Field to Bethesda. These concerns were ALL directly addressed in a lengthy conference call held on July 11, 2003, involving Barr, the Texas-based researcher who also had great input into the work, and me. At the end of that phone call, both “editors” were assured that the provable corrections of fact that had to be made would ALL be made.
With that in mind, and with the long-held belief that John Kennedy’s murder could not have been accomplished without LBJ, and mindful that it had been LBJ who had created the Warren Commission, I wrote the blurb (along with the “rectangle” below it) for attribution on the back dust flap of a book that, as of July 11, I believed to be factually accurate, although it was always understood that I was taking Barr’s knowledge of the inner workings of the legal system as truth.
I still believe that Barr’s knowledge of the Clark-LBJ tie is accurate. Beyond that, however, both editors BEGGED Barr not to use “faction,” the name he gave to the blending of fact and fiction as a way of connecting the dots. I wrote “source?” so many times in the margin I grew weary of the task. If Barr could not be dissuaded from leaving out his educated guesses, both editors again implored him to italicize them, so the reader would know where documented material parted company with “faction.”
Thanks Joe !
The 1998 - info, - - it just rings one particular bell for me , from one thing solely;
"The Men Who Killed Kennedy" - series. It have been so many years since I watched any of those episodes, - I guess it was one of the last, if not the last episode, --- all this information was in ? Only from memory; I think it was even (mis)labeled as "banned". That episode. My memory surely could be far better, - I can't remember it was Walt Brown who first said the fingerprint was from Wallace. If that was stated. Thanks. Don't remember which of those murders he allegedly committed, - but one of them, - I remember there was some dispute about his trial, - discussing LBJ got him off , or something of that nature. I do remember the fingerprint - match, identified by the not so young N. Darby, - was disputed.
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Appreciate that second input , --- from 2003. That was new to me. Or atleast it is "new again"; - can not remember anything of that from the old days.
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3 hours ago, Paul Trejo said:
Trygve,
Have you read Walt Brown's superb book, Treachery in Dallas (1995), about the role played by the Dallas Police and Deputies at Dealey Plaza?
In my view, it offers a solid alternative to Peter Dale Scott's literary term, "Deep Politics."
Regards,
--Paul TrejoHi Paul, thanks for the tip !
I have not read it, - - just read a few opinions about it, - which from memory were all positive ones. Some time ago.
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More than three years since last post here. Tried searching; - anyone know of a more recent thread discussing this 31.000+ pages - compilation by Walt Brown. ? Or discussion(s) of different areas/fragments/details from it. ?
Would appreciate any tip/insight , - whether on topics, details, or about the author himself. Not having caught up on much , - I don't know what the stance(s) is on this compilation/author/information within the chronology.
By now, many things (he claim) may have been debunked etc, by now. Any insights? For instance on what he is saying in this interviev:
4 years old this clip, - should for sure be old news by now.
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Three Red Flags Against Decker
in JFK Assassination Debate
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Interesting thread, - thanks.
Semi-on-topic; https://www.docdroid.net/lSN9jmf/5acb8f7906114-oswaldwhereabouts.pdf
(Surely been posted earlier, - just in case some people had not seen it, - or if anyone can extract some relevant information from it) ;
A timeline ( 8 am - 1 pm ) , that as above post do, -- include the names Decker, Fritz, Euins, Haygood, Harkness, Mooney, Webster, -- and of course Oswald.
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Derailing - Edit (sorry): ---- "2H208. His (Euins) original statement says white man. He testified that Sheriff’s office must have made mistake when typed his affidavit as he only said white spot on head. Id. When asked what color, said he could not tell b/c only saw hands and bald spot. Couldn’t say if it was negro or white. Id. at 207. Says he saw 14 or 15 inches of “pipe”. Id. at 206. Saw hands on trigger mechanism but not scope. Id. at 204. Could not say noise came from pipe he was looking at when heard first shot. Id. at 209. Heard construction worker tell policeman that he saw someone run out of rear of building. Id. at 206 20 "
------ "White spot" ; When engaging fantasy-mode, associations may go in the direction of : " dust on Williams head" (Jarman; after shots (dust on stomach in Allen photo)) , or "a hat that looked like a wool stocking hat with a tassel in the middle of it" (Mercer) .
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Dillard : https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/displayimage.php?pid=3125&fullsize=1
Allen : https://www.flickr.com/photos/153357684@N03/26121965477/in/album-72157667055480028/
"Fantasy - mode" is most of the time , - anything but constructive, - and at this point in time, - just contributing to the derailing of the original topic of this thread, --- and at the same time contributing to steal precious time.