Steve Duffy

Not that I know of. So as far as you know, there has never once been an occasion where two or more people have planned an illegal act in order to benefit form it? THAT IS A CONSPIRACY! And then ONE SECOND later he writes There have been some very well known in history Then name one! Vocabulary is very important, here, and we have to agree on the meaning we give to the words, if we want to understand each other and be able to have a discussion. If you mean to say : "a conspiracy = an occasion where two or more people plan an illegal act in order to benefit form it", then I would say that conspiracies occur everyday, and everywhere. There was a bank robbery in a town nearby, last week, so, according to your definition, it was a conspiracy, since more than two people were involved and what they did was illegal. We have to agree on that. And in that case, suppose all the Warren Commission report said is true, but then we find out that it turned out that Marina knew of her husband's plan (he told her on the eve of the assassination) and she helped him wrap the rifle in the brown paper bag, then, according to your definition, it was a conspiracy, although you would agree, the official version of events would still stand. But I venture to suggest that when we say "conspiracy", in this forum, we mean something else. We mean a huge conspiracy involving at the very least a dozen people with money, power, and the backing of one or more official organizations, and a very intricate plot needing to set up a "patsy", organizing different locations for shooters, etc. At least there was one or more pre-assassination meetings to organize all of that. Isn't that what the majority of members think when they say 'conspiracy" here ? I'll answer your question : 1. There was a conspiracy to assassinate Julius Caesar, and Brutus was among the conspirators. 2. There was a July-1944 conspiracy to assassinate Hitler, and some Wehrmacht generals such as Stauffenberg were among the conspirators. That is very well known and documented. Who could deny that ? I don't. But the "Kennedy assassination conspiracy" is something else. Not at all obvious. Not at all "well-known". Not yet proven, to my mind (and far from it). Now, it's my turn to ask you a question : David Lifton claims that there was a conspiracy involving the highest echelons of the US government, and most likely the Secret Service (his sentence : "I don't know who altered the body but I know who had the body" ...) to kill President Kennedy and thus remove him from power. The scenario involved killing him from the front, then take the body unnoticed, then alter the wounds so that autopsy doctors would conclude he had been shot from behind. I repeat (it's so incredible !) : kill him from the front and change the wounds to make it appear he had been shot from behind. (And I can think of the conspirators having a meeting beforehand and preparing THAT plan !!! Wasn't there anybody to defer ?) My question : do you know of any occasion, in history, at any time, anywhere in the world, in any country, when such a conspiracy, such a plot, such an assassination existed ? Give me one example in history where conspirators decided to shoot a public figure from the front, then change the wounds, then pretend he had been shot from behind ? /F.C./ Ummm, Robert Kennedy?

IF ONLY I could have those few minutes of my life back.

Not unbelievable at all, David. There's been obstruction on this case since the last shot was fired. It took honest citizens and brave authors to start pulling at the loose threads. So much information has come to light, and if 100% pointed to conspiracy you'd deny it. You just would. So debate is pointless.

I thank Jim for his stamina in refuting David's nonsense. God the conspiracy is so easy for the rest of the world to understand as being an orchestrated coup. The evidence is beyond debate, I feel, anymore. I'm glad you're here Jim. I originally joined for healthy, like-minded information, but its pointless with it being blocked like a sewer pipe with the Von Pein's of the World. Look at your country's History, David. Closely. You don't see a sort of thread stretching through from the early 60's until today? Anywhere else in the world, they'd call it obvious.

I assumed that was the case. Thanks John

I suggest you engage in a debate with Jim. It will not take him to insult you and you can then become a confirmed non-believer.

I Need a crash course in James Fetzer. What, precisely, is he view on the Zapruder film. Now I've read Murder in Dealy Plaza, but was so baffled buy his suggestions I thought I'd ask some other possible readers if they subscribe to his theories. Not trying to start a Flame, its just my head can't get around aspects of the film that he suggest are a forgery. Any help?

Oswald in holland Hi everyone, first time poster. Just wanted to make everyone aware that I contacted the author of the new book http://www.leeharveyoswald.nl/, which seems like a great and interesting read, unless of course you speak Dutch... The Author, Perry Vermeulen, was kind enough to let me know that there is no plan so far for an English translation, but forwarded his publishers web address so that those interested in a possible future translation can let them know of their interest. So let them know. Seems like he might have some interesting things to say about this perplexing time in Lee's life... info@deboekenmakers.nl P.S, thanks to all the great posters on this site. There isn't enough time in the day to read trough all this valuable info. take care all, Steve Edit/Delete Message

Sorry for your loss, John. It's good to be part of a community to share your thoughts and feelings. My best wishes to you and your Family.

Somethings never felt right to me. I've questioned the Kennedy assassination after seeing snippets of documentaries since I was a child, and hearing the opinions of teachers and others. "always question history" I was told, as while I have strength I always will. I have a compulsive need to know the Truth. Lee Harvey Oswald is a maligned character in our History. He needs to be spoken for. I have read about this event nearly non stop since the early 90's, both good and bad. These Forums, and the good people on them, help me learn more. I will be asking questions, And hope to engage in intelligent conversations with others that share my passion. I am on a disability pension after an injury several years ago, so I have much time to devote to events of the past and how they affect all our futures. I feel my time to contribute is now.