David Von Pein
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http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/07/dvp-vs-dieugenio-part-101.html
"Not a single solitary bit of DiEugenio's Bugliosi-trashing effort above has anything whatsoever to do with Vince Bugliosi's JFK book "Reclaiming History". Jimbo is just looking for an excuse--any excuse--to bash Vincent T. Bugliosi. And Jim is willing to travel far outside the "JFK Assassination" perimeter to try and somehow smear Vince's 20-year effort regarding the JFK case. I guess the idea is: If Vince wasn't a saint all of his life, that must mean he was all wrong about all of the evidence in the JFK murder case. .... But the fact remains that Vince Bugliosi, in his huge tome "Reclaiming History", has proven Lee Harvey Oswald's guilt at least ten times over. The question of whether or not Oswald was involved in ANY type of conspiracy can never, of course, be answered with 100% certainty (and I've said that very thing myself in the past; and if you want my direct quotes, I'll be happy to dig them up). But I agree with Vince when he said ---- "In the [John F.] Kennedy case, I believe the absence of a conspiracy can be proved to a virtual certainty." " -- DVP; July 2015
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59 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:
Man, is everyone as sick as I am of that pot/kettle diversion[?]
You might be sick to death of it, Jim, but it's oh so undeniably true.
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Addendum....
And, of course, practically every time an Internet conspiracy theorist opens his mouth, he proves the point that Vince made in this gem....
"The conspiracy community regularly seizes on one slip of the tongue, misunderstanding, or slight discrepancy to defeat twenty pieces of solid evidence; accepts one witness of theirs, even if he or she is a provable nut, as being far more credible than ten normal witnesses on the other side; treats rumors, even questions, as the equivalent of proof; leaps from the most minuscule of discoveries to the grandest of conclusions; and insists that the failure to explain everything perfectly negates all that is explained." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Page xliii of “Reclaiming History: The Assassination Of President John F. Kennedy”
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On 7/31/2019 at 4:24 PM, W. Niederhut said:
After reading James DiEugenio's latest book, along with reviews of the new CHAOS book about Charles Manson, I'm wondering if the English language [needs] a new verb, in honor of Vincent Bugliosi-- to "bugliose." Here's my suggestion:
bugliose (booly-OSE) verb. : to bamboozle about historical events with lengthy discourses that completely misrepresent the facts.
Oh Brother (with a huge Capital B)! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
This ridiculous thread authored by Mr. Niederhut just might take first prize in the "Pot/Kettle" category here in the year 2019. Because the only people who are doing any "bamboozling" and "misrepresenting the facts" regarding the murders of John Kennedy and J.D. Tippit are the conspiracy theorists, not people like the late Vincent T. Bugliosi, that's for sure. (Just think "Mark Lane" and "Jim Garrison" and "Jim Fetzer", for starters. Three of the greatest bamboozlers of all-time.)
And I find it humorous to see how the number of Bugliosi-haters has grown in just the last few years, with the VB-bashers now not content to verbally assault Vince for just his opinions on the JFK case....but now we're getting a whole new wave of 21st-century Vince bashers, who now suddenly have a desire to toss Vince under the bus for his work on the Charles Manson case as well----even though all rational people who have even a slight knowledge of the details surrounding that particular murder case know beyond any doubt that the "Helter Skelter" theory was rooted in fact (based on what Bugliosi was told by other members of Manson's "Family"). But those facts will naturally be totally ignored by the outer-fringe conspiracy theorists of the world. Pathetic.
If you want to read some of the best "Vince-isms" (as I like to call my favorite VB quotes), go here....
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2016/07/favorite-quotes-from-reclaiming-history.html
Samples....
"It is...remarkable that these conspiracy theorists aren't troubled in the least by their inability to present any evidence that Oswald was set up and framed. For them, the mere belief or speculation that he was is a more-than-adequate substitute for evidence." -- Vincent Bugliosi
"The conspiracy alterationists are so incredibly zany that they have now gone beyond their allegation that key frames of the Zapruder film were altered by the conspirators to support their false story of what took place, to claiming that the conspirators altered all manner of people and objects in Dealey Plaza that couldn't possibly have any bearing on the president's murder. .... The alterationists have even claimed that at some point after the assassination, all the curbside lampposts in Dealey Plaza were moved to different locations and/or replaced with poles of different height. .... I know that conspiracy theorists have a sweet tooth for silliness, but is there absolutely nothing that is too silly for their palate?" -- Vincent Bugliosi
"There is a simple fact of life that Warren Commission critics and conspiracy theorists either don't realize or fail to take into consideration, something I learned from my experience as a prosecutor; namely, that in the real world—you know, the world in which when I talk you can hear me, there will be a dawn tomorrow, et cetera—you cannot be innocent and yet still have a prodigious amount of highly incriminating evidence against you. That's just not what happens in life. .... But with Lee Harvey Oswald, everything, everything points towards his guilt." -- Vincent Bugliosi
"In a city of more than 700,000 people, what is the probability of one of them being the owner and possessor of the weapons that murdered both Kennedy and Tippit, and yet still be innocent of both murders? Aren't we talking about DNA numbers here, like one out of several billion or trillion? Is there a mathematician in the house?" -- Vincent Bugliosi
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3 hours ago, Robert Harper said:
I just used this lovely verb in the thread on the two at the TT
Aren't you proud?
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Excerpt from pages 32 and 33 of Marina Oswald's narrative (CE994), which most Internet conspiracy theorists undoubtedly think are words being stuffed into Marina's mouth against her will by the evil Warren Commission....
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Pre-assassination film taken at Dallas' Love Field on 11/22/63....
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More Films....
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1 hour ago, Len Colby said:
Sammy Davis Jr. was at the height of his stardom in 1961 when he and close friend Frank Sinatra campaigned to elect President John F. Kennedy, but after Davis married Swedish actress May Britt, Kennedy refused to let him perform at his inauguration, Davis’ daughter claims in a new book.
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...not even Sinatra's friendship could get Davis into Kennedy's inauguration.
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Kennedy didn’t want to alienate his Southern constituency by inviting the mixed-race couple.
I'm wondering, though, if it could have been a decision made more by Kennedy's Secret Service detail than by John F. Kennedy himself. (I would bet that that was, indeed, the case.)
By not inviting Davis to the Inauguration event, the Secret Service didn't have to worry about the "bomb threats", "picketing", "demonstrations", and other unpleasant baggage that always accompanies such racist points-of-view.
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6 hours ago, David Josephs said:
“Searched him good and found nothing”
2.5 hrs later 5 bullets and a bus transfer are supposedly found in his pants pocket and shirt pocket, respectively.
Thx Bart, that about blows those items of evidence out the window.
It does no such thing.
Officer C.T. Walker obviously meant that he found no weapons on Oswald when Walker searched him at City Hall. Walker, at that point, wasn't concerned about a bus transfer being in LHO's pocket, nor was he concerned about the five loose bullets. Walker was concerned with WEAPONS still being on Oswald's person.
It's nearly impossible for me to believe, however, that somebody from the DPD, prior to Walker, hadn't already patted down LHO for additional weapons while they still had Oswald in the theater. And some police officer probably did that very thing in the theater itself. That's almost always the very first thing you see cops doing after they arrest a suspect---they pat him down for weapons. And I doubt that that standard routine was any different with U.S. police departments in circa 1963.
More Bullet Talk:
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/11/dvp-vs-dieugenio-part-70.html#The-Bullets-In-Oswalds-Pocket
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22 minutes ago, Rick McTague said:
At 1:23, the narrator says that the gun the officer is holding (a revolver) was the gun used to murder Tippit.
That was one of several mistakes made by Ron Reiland when he narrated his news film on WFAA-TV on 11/22/63. The pistol being shown is J.D. Tippit's own service revolver, not the Tippit murder weapon.
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2013/05/jfk-assassination-media-errors.html
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5 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:
Just for the record, on the 23rd, the DPD was still writing reports saying Oswald was arrested in the balcony. (Harvey and Lee, p. 871)
And for several hours on Nov. 22nd, the media was still giving the public the erroneous idea that Officer Tippit had been killed in a gun battle right there inside the Texas Theater.
So there was quite a bit of bad information being put out (unintentionally) on television and radio in those early hours after the assassination (as I chronicle in the 27-minute video below). Such things always happen in a Mega News Event like this one.
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On 7/22/2019 at 11:04 PM, Cory Santos said:
Can DVP explain the arrest in the balcony? Was it simply a mistake?
From a 2014 discussion....
MARTIN WEIDMANN SAID:
What made several police officers say in their reports that Oswald was arrested on the balcony of the TT?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
A very minor mistake really. Not important. He was arrested IN the theater. Just not "in the balcony". But we know the initial DPD radio call said they thought the suspect was "hiding in the balcony". This early erroneous speculation could have been repeated by some of the officers. Some errors get repeated from one person to the next. -
2 hours ago, Ray Mitcham said:
Typical Bugliosi bull poop. Burroughs was being asked about the second Oswald, not the first. He wasn't asked about the first one.
So, you don't think Butch Burroughs had any obligation at all to tell Joe Ball of the Warren Commission about having sold popcorn to Lee Oswald at about 1:15 PM on 11/22/63, right? Even though Burroughs had to know that such information would be extremely important to the Commission's pending investigation, correct?
Or, as Vincent Bugliosi put it in 1986 when questioning Paul O'Connor at the Oswald Mock Trial....
"So, in other words, [Mr. Burroughs]...if those investigators for the [Warren Commission] didn't ask you the magic question, by golly you're not about to tell 'em!! Is that correct?"
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FWIW #2....
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John Armstrong said:
we now know that Westbrook, Croy, and LEE Oswald conspired to murder Officer Tippit, and frame HARVEY Oswald for the crime.
Despicable allegations there against DPD officers Croy and Westbrook. But it's par for the course for many conspiracy theorists. They couldn't care less how many people they accuse of being murderers and l-i-a-r-s on the flimiest of evidence (which amounts, really, to no "evidence" at all ---- a gut feeling is more than enough "evidence" for the John Armstrongs and Jim Hargroves of the world).
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/07/wallets-part-1.html
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FWIW....
Here's an excerpt from Vincent Bugliosi's JFK book concerning some of the things Johnny Brewer did while at the Texas Theater on 11/22/63 (emphasis added by DVP):
"Behind the stage Johnny Brewer is standing near the curtains that separate the audience and the exit door on the left side of the screen. When the house lights come up, he steps to the curtain and scans the astonished audience. There he is—the man he saw slip into the theater. He's sitting in the center section, six or seven rows from the back of the theater. No sooner do the lights come up than the man stands up, and scoots to the aisle to his right. Police are pouring into the lobby. The suspect turns around and sits back down, this time in the third row from the back.
Suddenly, Brewer hears someone rattling the exit door from the outside. The shoe store manager pushes the door open and is immediately grabbed by two officers as he is exiting. The alley is crawling with cops, some up on the theater's fire escape. Officer Thomas A. Hutson puts a gun into Brewer's stomach. "Put your hands up and don't make a move." Brewer is shaking. "I'm not the one," he stammers. "I just came back to open the door for you. I work up the street. There's a guy inside that I was suspicious of."
The officer can see that Brewer's clothing—sport coat and tie—is different from the description of the suspect. "Is he still there?" Hutson asks. "Yes. I just seen him," Brewer tells him, and leads the lawmen into the theater." -- Page 104 of "Reclaiming History" by Vincent T. Bugliosi
Bugliosi's source for the words I put in bold text above is 7 H 30, which is Warren Commission testimony from Dallas police officer Thomas A. Hutson. In that WC testimony, Hutson said this about Brewer:
OFFICER HUTSON -- "We pulled up to this location [the Texas Theater] and I was the first out of the car to hit the ground. As I walked up to the fire exit doors, Officer Hawkins and Baggett were getting out of the car, and the door to the theatre opened, and this unknown white male was exiting. I drew my pistol and put it on him and told him to put up his hands and not to make a move, and he was real nervous and scared and said: "I am not the one. I just came back to open the door. I work up the street at the shoestore, and Julia sent me back to open the door so you could get in." I walked up and searched him briefly and I could see by the description and his clothes that he wasn't the person we were looking for. Then I entered the theatre from this door."
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20 minutes ago, Denis Morissette said:
Good stuff for novels. I could create dozens of theories contradicting each other but making enough sense on their own. CTers' life is the easy life! CTers can create their own scenarios and change the details as much as they want.
Amen!
"That's what is so terribly nice about being a conspiracy theorist, isn't it? You can just start spitting out theories and fall back on CTer Rule #4A: "If All Else Fails, Just Say That Something Is Fake". LNers, thankfully, don't have such freedom with the evidence. And therein lies one of the major differences between a "CT" mindset and the "LN" mindset.....not every single thing has to be "suspicious" or "phony" to an "LNer" in order to arrive at the truth." -- DVP; October 28, 2007
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Jim H.,
The portion of Johnny Brewer's testimony you just highlighted doesn't eliminate the possibility that Brewer could have been very briefly pulled out into the alley by the police officers who grabbed him. I don't know if they did pull him out in the alley or not, but we do know that Brewer did open the back door (next to the alley), and a gun was held on Brewer and he was grabbed by the cops.
And even if Brewer wasn't actually physically in the alley, it's possible that a witness who was in that alley could have still gotten a view of the cops grabbing Brewer at gunpoint just inside the back door of the Texas Theater.
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Cory Santos said:
I know DVP wants to explain his theory?
I think it's possible that some of the confusion about the alleged "two arrests" could have been initially sparked by the fact that Johnny Brewer was briefly held at gunpoint as a suspect by the police at the back of the theater. And Brewer, like Oswald, was a slender white male in his 20s.
I can't find anything in the records that indicates whether or not Brewer was actually dragged outside into the alley behind the theater when he was held at gunpoint....and, of course, Brewer wasn't actually placed into a police car....but if someone did see the incident between the police and Johnny Brewer at the back of the theater, this could certainly have elevated the confusion of any witnesses as to how many people were being detained by the police at the theater.
JOHNNY BREWER (WC Testimony) -- "I heard a noise outside, and I opened the door, and the alley, I guess it was filled with police cars and policemen were on the fire exits and stacked around the alley, and they grabbed me, a couple of them, and held and searched me and asked me what I was doing there, and I told them that there was a guy in the theatre that I was suspicious of, and he asked me if he was still there."
JOHNNY BREWER (1986 Mock Trial Testimony) -- "...a gun was held on me."
A New Verb-- to 'bugliose'
in JFK Assassination Debate
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Maybe you missed this part of my last message....
"The question of whether or not Oswald was involved in ANY type of conspiracy can never, of course, be answered with 100% certainty..."