Steven Kossor

Thanks for the reality check.  No matter where it came from, to me it's like another "Tague" event -- another unaccounted-for shot.  I've scoured every resource I can find but haven't been able to get a picture of the driver's door showing that area prior to DP.  Hope someone at the Forum will be able to help in that regard.  It shouldn't be hard to get from the Ford archives, should it?

Steve

A Lincoln Continental is not assembled slap-dash with asymmetrical features.  If you look at the picture of the passenger door, you'll see that the feature there is placed lower and looks different than the feature on the driver's door.  I'm not suspecting that two different bullets hit the doors, only that the driver's door was struck by a bullet that left an irregular scar and that an attempt was made to create a comparable feature on the passenger door so that superficial, noncritical observers would conclude that the driver's door feature was a match for the passenger door feature.  They are not comparably configured or placed.  Look carefully at the comparison pictures and you'll see what I mean:

https://app.box.com/s/u72vanem50f3pf79w00p3qz75eqhm7ft

Steve

Here's the picture of the passenger door with a similar but not symmetrical or identical feature, which suggests that the feature I've identified as a bullet scar on the inside of the driver's door is not an upholstery feature, and that the feature in this photograph was added to the upholstery in a failed attempt to create a comparable "feature" on the passenger door that might be able to support a claim that the feature on the driver's door in approximately the same location, but with a different appearance was not a bullet scar.  Nice try....  Here's a link to a comparison of the two photos: https://app.box.com/s/u72vanem50f3pf79w00p3qz75eqhm7ft

Steve

Yes I did.  I found a picture of the passenger door somewhere and there is a smaller, similar feature on that door, but it is not in the exact same spot and doesn't have the exact same features as the bullet scar on the driver's side, so I'm guessing that somebody thought "let's make another mark on the passenger door so it looks like the mark on the driver's door" and then botched the necessary symmetrical property that would make their argument plausible.  I can upload that picture too, if somebody will give me permission to upload pictures to the Education Forum.  Can you please help with that?

Look at the knuckles of the guy carrying the bags, then look to the right.  You'll see the scar between the edge of the door and the edge of the panel where the door knob is mounted.  The scar is about an inch in from the edge of the door and about three or four inches down from the door lock button.  If you zoom in on that area, you'll see that bare metal is exposed inside the hole, that the hole is irregularly shaped (not a feature of the upholstery) and that it suggests a trajectory from inside the car.  If that trajectory is plotted based on the configuration of the scar, it either comes from the front passenger side (Kellerman) or from the rear passenger side (Connelly).  Hope this helps.  It is inconceivable that the existence of this defect in the upholstery of the limousine was accidentally missed, in my opinion.  There is no comparable defect on the passenger door, although there appears to be a defect there that is not symmetrical to the one on the driver's door, which clearly suggests that it is not an upholstery feature (they would be symmetrical, if that were the case).  Can someone help me get permission to post pictures here?

Has anyone else noticed the bullet scar in the photo by the Dallas Times-Herald on the inside of the driver's door of the JFK limo in the Parkland Hospital ER lot?  The door is open and the scar from a bullet strike is plainly visible.  This is another shot unaccounted for in the record and may be related to the smelling of gunpowder by the Parkland staff when the Kennedy party came through.  It looks like the bullet that caused this scar was fired from inside the car because it's too low to have come from the GK and too small to have come from "above and behind" (it would have been much more elongated if that were the case).....  I don't know why my upload of the photos failed (both less than 1000 kb).  Help would be appreciated.

Steve

So glad you found a way to preserve this forum. Best wishes always. The truth will out, eventually.

Steve

The audio cassette recordings of much testimony before the ARRB and HSCA have been digitized and assembled in a collection that can be downloaded. You can get them here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xogfg3tvgebxb1q/ARRB%26HSCA_audio_tapes_as_mp3_files.zip

I'll keep this link available for at least 3 months. Best wishes to all. The truth will out.

Steve

Wonderful news. Thanks for your thoughtful and helpful response from someone who has learned a great deal from the insights of others on this Forum.

The newer generations don't trust the mainstream media and are seeking more authoritative, "untainted" sources of information. They get their news more from the internet than anywhere else, with an increasing emphasis on twitter and other social media. They're becoming more discerning about who they bestow credibility upon, too. The relentless and abusive sniping that exists in this forum is the antithesis of what is needed to move in the direction of changing policy and establishing the truth about the JFK assassination and its meaning in American history. We might concentrate on updating Wikipedia with new facts, "troubling questions" and a statement about the need for an honest investigation because in much less than 50 years, the internet is likely to be the most (only?) respected information source for the majority of Americans. They are trusting Facebook less and less as its invasions of privacy become more notorious and its foundation becomes ever more blatantly oriented toward advertising, so a site that maintains a professorial presence will become more important as the years pass. JFKfacts, Mary Ferrell, they may have better legs than this forum, especially if the relentless sniping and name-calling isn't better managed.

I think it's important to recognize that an honest search for understanding can't be conducted when access to evidence is obstructed. The obstructions have to be removed, not justified, and until that happens it will be impossible to know beyond a reasonable doubt "what happened." The obstructions are so collossal that it is inconceivable to many people that they will ever be removed (exhumation of the President's body, release of all government records related to his assassination, etc). The best we can hope for is the correction of policy that permitted and has sustained the obstruction of evidence for the past 50 years, so that finally "the truth can come out" and our country can recover from the horrors that have befallen us for the past 50 years. I like Don's statement, but in the interest of attracting the widest possible endorsement (especially from among future generations), I'd suggest the following.

The Warren Commission, FBI and Dallas Police did not solve the mystery of who assassinated President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963. The House Assassinations Committee of the late 1970s left more questions than answers behind them. Because access to evidence has been obstructed and a real investigation has never been conducted, reasonable doubt persists about the circumstances of President Kennedy's death. On the verge of the 50th anniversary of the most significant political assassination of the 20th century, it is more important than ever for there to be an open and independent inquiry into the matter for the very first time.

Steve

Thanks for all of the help with understanding the "Tague wounding event." When I went to Dallas, I stood at the Western end of the cement square of the South Elm Street sewer cover, faced East and focused on the scar in the lower-right corner of the concrete cover. Then I followed the path of the scar straight up, and the top left corner of the Dallas Records Building came into view as the most probable site for the origin of that scar. Turning around 180 degrees, I noticed that the other end of the scar pointed at the position where Tague was standing (between Commerce and Main). That explanation for the origins of the sewer cover and curb scars makes the most sense to me; it has the benefit of more physical evidence that "lines up" than any of the other possible trajectories.

I'm still trying to figure out how the shot that pierced the limo windshield (as imaged in The Smoking Guns episode of The Men Who Killed Kennedy) and went on to strike Kennedy's throat could have been taken without Tague mentioning anything about it. Its origin had to be within a few feet of where he was standing when he was wounded and had to have occurred less than 10 seconds before he was wounded, for the windshield and throat holes to line up exactly as they do with that position when the limo was in the location that hid it behind the Stemmons Freeway sign in the Zfilm.

Food for thought.

Best wishes always,

Steve

In this still from Mark Lane's 1966 interview, James Tague marked his position near the South curb of Main Street, just outside the Triple Overpass in Dealey Plaza where he was struck in the right cheek by debris knocked off the curb of Main Street by a bullet or fragment that hit the curb a few feet East of his position. He reports that he had parked his car on Commerce Street where traffic was stopped and got out to see what was happening. The space between Main and Commerce at the Overpass in Dealey Plaza is a very narrow one.

The red arrows show the east to west alignment of the the scar on the South manhold cover on Elm Street with the top left corner of the Dallas Records Building that I confirmed when I visited Dallas in October of 2012. The west end of the scar points very close to Tague's position and could account for the curb strike that wounded him.

I'm not sure if others have posited this before, but corroboration always helps, right?

Best wishes always.

Steve

Damn, the file is only 68K but I only have 324 bytes of upload allowed. Sorry.

Here's a link to the .pdf for those who are interested: http://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/rfwtvj

The links posted here will expire on May 10th so if you're interested in downloading the ARRB/HSCA audio files or the video/pictures from Dallas 2012, please don't delay. Best wishes to all of the researchers. The truth will out.

Steve

Listening to Humes quip "I sure hope you guys can figure this thing out..." to the ARRB staff at the end of his interview was galling, to say the least. There are lots of other nuggets in the audio recording series, including an admission by one of the CIA Zfilm handlers that the Zfilm was received on Saturday night at "Hawkeye" (the secret film processing plant operated by Kodak with help from the CIA). Doug Horne's five volume series Inside the ARRB turns out to be a truly remarkable document; I didn't find any discrepancies between its statements and the words spoken by any of the people who testified on tape. Thanks for your appreciation for my efforts. Best wishes to all of the researchers. The truth will out.

Steve

If you click on this link, you should be taken directly to the download of the ARRB/HSCA audio recordings that I created for Doug Horne. There are about 50 recordings in the collection. I sincerely appreciate the trust that Doug Horne extended to me in making the ARRB and HSCA recordings available. He asked in his five volume ARRB series if anyone might be able to digitize the recordings, and I volunteered because I have a small recording studio. It turned out to be a daunting task because of the awful quality of several of the recordings. It was obvious that the quality and preservation of the recordings was not a significant concern for most of the other ARRB staff, with the exception of Doug. Thanks, Doug.

http://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/omjy1p

This one links to the download of the Dallas photo log from my 10/24/12 trip to Dallas. I took lots of pictures from various locations and they may be useful to the research community. One thing is clear to me: the throat shot came from a location below and to the left of the President if it created a hole in the windshield and struck only him. I've included three documents in this collection that annotate stills from the video collection described at the bottom of this post.

http://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/93ns15

This one links to the download of the Dallas video log from my 10/24/12 trip to Dallas. I drove the limo route through DP several times to simulate the movement of the car through the killing zone. I tried to position the camera "where the President would have been" so that researchers can view the terrain as it may have looked from the President's viewpoint.

http://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/fvqach

It is my hope that the distribution of these documents will assist the research community in its effort to understand what happened on 11/22/63, and that this will preserve the record in a more viable state than it has been. The video record is intended to give people who don't have the opportunity to visit Dallas the chance to see how it looked (I shot some video from the Zapruder pedestal) in October of last year. Dealey Plaza is a bowl where truth doesn't exist. I will never go back to Dallas.

Steve

Thanks, Chris. I did miss your post but I appreciate your confirming with much greater specificity than I did that there are fundamental incompatibilities between Nix and Zappy that impugn the credibility of one or both films. I feel privileged to have the opportunity to share insights and participate in dialogues with so many wonderfully knowledgeable and conscientious people. The truth will out.

Thanks, Robin. If two cameras were filming the same event, there should not be any substantive discrepancies between the images captured by them, except those attributable to different lenses, lighting, film type and angles of view. The differences between Nix and Zappy are not limited to those parameters.

The point of my posting this observation was to encourage others to look at the original sources and make their own conclusions. The evidence is unmistakable, but that's just my opinion. It's not a good idea to form an opinion based on any secondary source (my cutting up the Nix and Zapruder films and presenting what I think are "the key frames" for inspection, for example) when the primary sources are readily available to anyone who participates in this discussion forum. If someone says they don't see what I see, that's their opinion but so far, nobody's done that....

For convenience' sake, I tried to find the longest extension of Jackie's arm in Nix vs the longest extension of her arm in Zappy's masterpiece and scaled the snippets roughly to the same size. The moving images show a much starker contrast between the relatively short reach in Zappy vs the relatively long reach in Nix.

I just learned that the max upload size prevents me from posting the comparison pictures. You live long enough, you learn everything....

In the best copy of the Nix film that has been released, Jackie's arm extends almost to the end of the trunk of the limo as she retrieves part of JFK's skull. In the best copy of the Zappy film that has been released, she doesn't reach that far back. One explanation for this would be that something has been cut from the Zappy film.

Thanks for the pictures, Bernice. It's pretty clear that the guy in the back of the pickup truck was "erased" from the Zfilm. The obvious question is "Why?" Looking forward to more discussion and thought about this. Best wishes always.

I recently went to Dealey Plaza and shot some video from the various vantage points of possible shooters. The location along the picket fence that offers the best line of sight seemed to be a point about 40 feet away from the corner of the fence nearest to Zappy's position. I stood on Zappy's pedestal and shot video of the limo's path and realized that in order to keep the limo in the center of the frame, the camera had to be tilted downward as the limo approached while panning to the right, and that it had to be tilted upward to catch the departing limo. Zappy's film seems to have been shot from a tripod, just panning left to right (hence he almost missed the head shot entirely). I don't know how the Zfilm footage of the killing was shot, but it's pretty clear to me that there were constraints on the filmmaker that almost prevented capturing it completely and certainly obscured some key aspects like the side of the vehicle that might have disclosed its speed and whether or not the wheels stopped turning at any time.

The best line of sight for a shot to the head from the front seemed to be through the first slot in the overpass wall nearest to the picket fence on the Knoll with the shooter in a prone position. There is a sewer drain there that could afford a getaway route, or a convenient place to stash the murder weapon for retrieval later. There are no openings facing Houston street from either of the North or South sewer drain positions, so nobody could have shot from "inside" the sewers.

The best line of sight for a shot to the throat (which would also account for the hole relatively low in the windshield where it appears to be in the Zfilm and in other photos of the limo in the White House garage -- two photos shown in the segment called The Smoking Guns from The Men Who Killed Kennedy) would be from the bed of a pickup truck parked on Commerce Street just as it exited from under the Overpass. Traffic was stopped on Commerce during the killing, so the escape route could be just driving the shooter away. There is a photo of a man in just such a pickup truck that has been obliterated from the Zfilm.

The bullet scar on the South manhole cement cover lines up perfectly with the top left corner of the Dallas Records building. I stood at the Westernmost end of the scar and panned up parallel to it. The corner of the Records building comes into view following that line of sight. That pretty much sums it up for me that at least one shot came from the top of that building.

I'm not a sniper, but I've shot a few rifles over the years and know that a bullet striking concrete that leaves a 1/4 inch-deep scar running about 1.5 inches had to have been fired from a pretty steep angle and that it couldn't have been a jacketed round to have dug the little trench (as opposed to fracturing the concrete altogether).

The proposition that the shot that struck the curb near Tague came from the DSBD building, that it hit the traffic light pole and fragmented and then careened into the curb (proposed by Holland, I believe), is not viable. It had to have come from up high, probably a second shot from the Records building with the gunsight having become misaligned and resulted in the scar on the concrete sewer cover, and a second shot from the same misaligned gunsight hitting the curb near Tague.

In driving down Elm Street, the positions of the X marks painted on the roadway (corresponding to the Z film for the throat wound and the head wound) don't seem to have been placed accurately. They may match the Zfilm, but they don't match the best lines of sight for a shooter.

Dealey Plaza seems to have been turned into a "diorama" manufactured to correspond with the Zfilm, rather than real possibilities of the events that day. My sense in driving down into Dealey Plaza was that it's a bowl, and that truth and reality float somewhere above it, perhaps on the level of Houston Street, but certainly not down in the Kill Zone.

The US Department of Education made it possible for behavioral training, treatment and assessment experiments to be conducted on children without notifying their parents or admitting that experimental procedures are being used. Faculty and administrators in Public Education facilities can do all kinds of things to eight year-olds that legally can't be done to convicted felons, courtesy of the US Department of Education. I have no time to devote to "the truth about Public Education in America" issues anymore, having published a newsletter documenting my discoveries in that world for five years. I refer interested parties to John Taylor Gatto's tremendous collection of information, especially his An Underground History of American Education. Suffice it to say that younger people have largely become incapable of performing cost-benefit analyses and engaging in thoughtful persuasive discourse courteously as a result of the deliberate dumbing-down of their education. The proof is all around us.

Frightening implications of the re-election of our President. I wonder what the prospects would have looked like with Romney elected. I can't shake the feeling that we haven't had a true 2-party system in the US for decades; Phyllis Schlafly wrote a book called A Choice Not an Echo about 45 years ago that describes the Bilderbergers, CFR, etc and the threats she perceived in their "shaddow government" plotting. She's the darling of the Right, but they've had their hands behind the curtain manipulating things too -- Reagan created the Department of Education, for God's sake. Any thoughts on the Road Not Taken with Romney?

A recent trip to Dealey Plaza was a revelation for me. The killing zone is at the bottom of a bowl, and reality doesn't exist down there. It's as if the truth floats somewhere over that place. GPS doesn't work right, among other things and the impression I got in traveling the motorcade route down Elm Street a half-dozen times was that the shots probably didn't actually happen exactly at the two X marks that are painted on the street (one for the throat shot, one for the head shot), but that there is a concerted effort being made to make everything match the Zapruder film. There are actually two "Elm Streets" at the corner of Houston in front of the Book Depository building. One comes at a 90 degree angle like a normal street intersection, and it's possible that Greer was turning onto *that* Elm Street and realized his mistake (resulting in the car nearly hitting the curb). The killing zone comes in at a sharper angle and immediately begins descending below "ground level" into a place where truth doesn't exist. If you pan up from the bullet mark on the cement cover of the sewer on the south side of Elm Street your view comes to the top of the Dallas Records building -- the only elevated place where a bullet leaving that straight, deep cut in the concrete cover could possibly have come from (certainly not the Depository). I walked the length of the fence on the Knoll, stood on the North sewer grate and looked at the traffic coming toward me. There are several excellent vantage points for shooters there, and plenty of cover too, on both sides of the Plaza. The 2nd floor window of the Dal-Tex building that used to be behind the fire escape is in an office now. There was a desk with papers on it visible from the 7th floor of the Bood Depository building. I wonder if the occupant knows that it used to be a closet and what went on in there. I won't ever go back to Dealey Plaza.