Glenn Nall

reason I asked, was just a bit curious about your need to exaggerate - "The memo's authenticity was established decades ago" - i'm pretty sure the memo isn't "decades old" as far as research material goes - it's the second time you've responded like that to me, and i'm not sure why. i try diligently to find reliable, reputable researchers in whose material I can trust; your experience is surely something that should gain the attention of many, but i'm not so sure about the delivery. no disrespect intended. just sayin'...

More from the rambling (but in a good way) Rambler story... (emphases mine...) "As a Cuban senator with his own private army, Rolando "El Tigre" Masferrer protected the Mafia's interests, becoming friends with Santos Trafficante, Jr. in the process. Morrow says that "Richard Nixon was among Batista's frequent and well received guests" during this period.567 The friendship between Masferrer and Trafficante continued in the U.S. after Castro took control. Masferrer escaped from Cuba with Cuban congressman Eladio del Valle. Masferrer's anti-Castro mercenaries (training on Howard Hughes' island, No Name Key) had been the ones approved by Rostow's friend Richard Bissell to assassinate Castro. They were the core group of Operation Forty. The future leader of Masferrer's anti-Castro mercenaries in Florida was Loran Eugene Hall. Gerry Patrick Hemming, who was a member of the group, claimed Oswald had tried to join after leaving the Marines in 1959 but was turned down by Masferrer's men in Los Angeles.568 When Howard Burris' good friend Richard Helms took over Bissell's job as the CIA's Deputy Director of Plans with the blessing of the just fired Allen Dulles and Charles Cabell (Dallas Mayor Earl Cabell's brother), he decided, despite a CIA internal memo to the contrary, to continue the assassination plots against Castro using Trafficante's and Masferrer's men. He worked directly with John Roselli as his sole contact with Trafficante. By February 1962, J. Edgar Hoover had struck a deal with Helms to jointly cover up their agencies' criminal activities. By May 1962, Dulles favorite Tracy Barnes had established his super-secret Domestic Operations Division, hiring Dulles loyalist E. Howard Hunt as its covert action chief.569 After the missile crisis, Kennedy declared a "hands-of Cuba" policy. Antonio Veciana, the head of Alpha 66, defied the Kennedy brothers with a March 17, 1963 attack against a Soviet military post and two Soviet freighters. The Kennedys cracked down against the anti-Castro raiders on March 30. The next day, Oscar del Valle Garcia, the organizer of Operation Forty, used Masferrer's men to blow up a Soviet ship. The sole American on board the raider ship was Jerry Buchanan, protege of Frank Sturgis, Orlando Bosch, and INCA's Manuel Gil -- whose boss, Ed Butler (Oswald's radio debate opponent), later sat on the American Security Council with Rostow favorite Ed Lansdale; the same Jerry Buchanan whose brother James Buchanan became the propagator of Frank Sturgis' false Oswald stories in the Pompano Beach Sun Sentinel.570" and a paragraph from his conclusions: "Many researchers of the JFK assassination eventually pass a difficult psychological threshold. When confronted with the first evidence of conspiracy, most rational people have no doubt responded, "so what?" The circumstantial evidence presented here is far from immune from such skepticism. The threshold is different for each person because it is defined by the individual's tolerance for the number of times they can say "so what" before skepticism becomes denial. And denial is perfectly understandable because the alternative leads to frightening speculation about the true meaning of events in the recent history of the United States." how bout that.

curious that Oglesby is so glaringly absent from these lists...

really, this post doesn't require much of a response, letting it speak for itself, and all that...

The memo's authenticity was established decades ago, Glenn. Here's a copy: BTW, it was McBride who discovered this document? when was this discovered?

"one would need to "hear" the tone along with the context to make such a determination" as is so often the case. tone and delivery, nuance and context, make all the difference in the world sometimes when attaching meaning to particularly important words, statements...

Brian, I haven't read any of Weberman, so don't know in what 'context' he labeled JVB as a fraud. There certainly were some parts of her story that are totally made up, but some parts of it do fit some details. (I'm not a fan of hers, and do not choose to defend her story) As far as LHO being an FBI 'informant', I think there is no doubt of that. I don't think she understood what that meant. I doubt it was to 'expose' the assassination attempt, but I also have no doubt if LHO heard any details of it, he would have told Hosty. "As far as LHO being an FBI 'informant', I think there is no doubt of that. I don't think she understood what that meant." i think this comment bears repeating - how many things are said by people who "don't know the half of it." People say things, their veracity isn't always the issue, sometimes it's the depth of the claim that is important.

i felt like it was - good to know. thanks Greg

Richard Bartholomew - others in here will know more about him - i'm reading this very long article by him about the mysterious Rambler and many, many high level people: http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/17th_Issue/rambler1.html

thanks, David - my interests currently lie in the vast string of names connected to each other throughout this thing, how DH Byrd leads to Rostow and Robert Morris, who lead to the Paines, or to Nixon, etc. These connections are quite widespread, i'm seeing. I'm sure I'll find more support at prouty.org. I'm eager to look into the people who end up being linked to Tippit... thanks again

I didn't know that about the memo - we certainly do owe him - the memo's authenticity has of course been questioned; is it surely legitimate? it seems there's still a lot of room to learn more about Tippit, from what I've read.

Just wanted to post this well written quote by Peter Dale Scott, 'cause I liked it: "Nixon's flurry of activity the week of November 15 to 22, 1963, during which he worked so intently on behalf of his rich and powerful political allies in Dallas, would seem to have been quite memorable to him; and even more so given the fact that the week ended with the world shattering assassination (in that very city) of the man to whom he lost the U.S. presidency three years earlier by the closest margin in American history. After all, even those who were children (including this author) have remembered that day with unusual clarity for their entire lives. But for Kennedy's historic rival, Richard Nixon, that seems not to be the case. Only three months after the assassination, Nixon did not remember that he was in Dallas almost up until the time of the assassination; despite the fact that during this incredible lapse of memory, he did remember being invited to Dallas in April 1963; he did remember that the purpose of that trip "never materialized"; and he did remember not giving any consideration to going (CE 1973, 23 H 831). And despite remembering these details, Nixon called his memory of this invitation vague. Most unusual of all is that the story of the invitation was completely false." Bartholomew continues: ...who was the source of this falsehood? It turns out that it was started on February 19, 1964 by Maurice Carlson of Reliance Life and Accident Insurance (23 H 414, 416); a man described by the FBI as "a close friend of Richard Nixon" (23 H 414). The chairman of Mr. Carlson's insurance company was a man named James H. Bond, who was also with James Ling's Electro-Science Investors (and later with LTV - D.H Byrd). And we must not forget that the secretary of Mr. Carlson's insurance company was Henry Baer (formerly of the Wynne law firm which represented de Mohrenschildt, LTV, and GSW), the man who was at the Ford home on February 24 with Marina Oswald. The interesting thing about Mr. Baer being there that particular day is that it was the very next day that Maurice Carlson retracted his story about the Nixon invitation to Dallas. Joining Carlson in the denial of his own story was Peter O'Donnell, the campaign manager for Robert H. Stewart's "very good friend" Senator John Tower. It is recalled that O'Donnell is also the man who sat on the Cuban Freedom Committee with Oveta Culp Hobby; was president of Harry Ransom friend Karl Hoblitzelle's Foundation; and who was a member of William F. Buckley, Jr.'s National Advisory Council of Young American's for Freedom with Robert Morris. Morris, it is recalled, was Otto Otepka's defense attorney, General Walker's attorney, H.L. Hunt's attorney, a John Bircher, and a Naval intelligence officer. [me: egads, the whole place must have smelled like a sewer.] Bartholomew continued: Two days before Carlson's February 19 telling of the false story, Baer and McKenzie replaced Jim Martin as Marina's attorneys. The false story, had it been true, would have corroborated Marina's incredible 3 version "locked Lee Harvey Oswald in the bathroom the entire day to prevent him from shooting Nixon" story (22 H 596). Unless something came along very quickly to back up this bizarre bathroom story, it could have cast doubt on all of Marina's testimony which was essentially all the Commission had to convince the public that Oswald was guilty. And more importantly, if Marina's bathroom story had been proved false, it could have implicated a number of people in its creation; including Henry Baer, William McKenzie, two FBI agents, and the Fords, who were all with her the day her story first changed to accommodate the facts about the door lock. It could have also implicated Carlson who withdrew his invitation story the very next day, and Robert Oswald who first reported Marina's bathroom story. The reason her story was not proved false was because Richard Nixon came to everyone's rescue by "vaguely" remembering the "invitation" on February 28, three days after the whole matter self-destructed.

a most intriguing part of this case is the whole thing around JD Tippit. as more data is revealed about all that, the more mysterious, and potentially revealing, it becomes. way cool.

the distinct possibility of this is what's so intriguing. it just seems so plausible. wow. i am eager to read McBride soon. after several others...

they're clearly the same signs - the right post is leaning just as it is in some of the pics from 11/22. probably the reality is that you've heard a few CTers say that and less studied ones at that. but sure, "many" sounds better. but they've fixed the bullet hole in the "O", and that guy's tie wasn't like that in Betzner, and those Nuns weren't there in Zapruder, so clearly SOMETHING's going on here...

The Tippit incident - the whole Oak Cliff set of events - is to me one of the most fascinating parts of this thing. The idea that Tippit might have been "involved" - wow... that kinda wants to make sense, really.

wow. so not only is the removal, and obviously the disappearance, of the sign suspicious, but the fact that no one even knows when it was removed is suspicious, as well as is the Commission's almost complete lack of interest. how mysterious.

she doesn't look stable, anyway. any opinion on Joseph McBride and his Tippit study?

i don't know enough about JVB to have an opinion on her - to be sure, the "LHO was FBI undercover to expose the assassination plotters" sounds pretty far-fetched - and she stated someone verified this in 2014...? so then last night I saw some of McBride's interview on BO Radio where he said the same thing, and he surely seems to be legit; 30 years researching JFK AND Tippit... hmmm... The funny thing is, when and if one of the "Great Theories" comes to fruition, that's also going to settle the score on who all's been lying the whole time, too. Right? That's going to be an awful lot of fun discovering all the frauds. just sayin'.

"we must always take somebody's word for everything" ok, then... the man cannot think and squirm at the same time.

:-) - If that weren't so frustrating as a serious truth seeker, that'd be hilarious. hell, it's still hilarious.

right - fair enough. oh, and yep, Hemming's name comes up on both sides of the street, it seems, huh...

it's funny that this old thread got reawakened from its proper death and burial back in 2007 by KK - i read Robert's post and began writing a response regarding Nancy Perrin being mentioned in the UT Rambler story and Forgive My Grief, then I saw that the damn thing is eight years old! So, DON'T rely on Weberman's research at this point...?

that's a 6 second clip - surely there's a "whole" one around here somewhere...?