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HOLD ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ONE THREAD AFTER THE OTHER , YOU PEOPLE KNOCK THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.......DON'T BELIEVE ME? GO BACK AND READ PREVIOUS THREADS!!!!!!! IT'S ONE CONSPIRACY AFTER THE OTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED NOVEMBER 22,1963 ALSO.............. STICK TO THE SUBJECT!!!!!!! NOT THIS CRAP ABOUT HARRY TRUMAN BOMBING HIROSHIMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1THE FORUM NAME IS THE JFK ASSASSINATION DEBATE! NOT RUNNING THE USA DOWN!!!!!!! YES I'M PISSED OFF! AMERICA NEEDS TO PULL BACK AND STAY OUT OF THE PROBLEMS OF THE REST OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND THE MINUTE SOMETHING SOMETHING GOES WRONG.. THE WORLD CRIES OUT WHERE IS AMERICA...NO MORE AMERICAN BLOOD FOR ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This forum is also about connecting dots Richard. The dots go back at least to 1933-FDR's presidency, when nazi Prescott Bush (father of one of JFK's murderers), and his American Liberty League, tried to murder FDR and wage a military coup (thwarted by Marine General Smedley D. Butler--genuine 'mercan hero) to oust the US government.
The Bushes have been waging war on elected presidents, committing treason, and stealing elections ever since. There is not one presidency since FDR's that has not been contaminated by the Bush Crime Family and the Dulles brother's CIA. The events of Nov 22, 1963--when they finally succeeded in a coup--created the situation we are currently in wherein yet another Bush is having their fascist way with the world.
I personally am much more interested in the big picture than in which cowardly thug hid behind a...bush...to wack President Kennedy (what you presumably consider "sticking to the point"). I want to know who was in the ruling class was that hired the shooters. Nov 22, 1963 did not happen in a vacuum.
This is a huge consipiracy and cover-up spanning decades. If you dont or wont see that I wonder what you'd get out of this forum.
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"This forum is also about connecting dots Richard. The dots go back at least to 1933-FDR's presidency, when nazi Prescott Bush (father of one of JFK's murderers), and his American Liberty League, tried to murder FDR and wage a military coup (thwarted by Marine General Smedley D. Butler--genuine 'mercan hero) to oust the US government.
The Bushes have been waging war on elected presidents, committing treason, and stealing elections ever since. There is not one presidency since FDR's that has not been contaminated by the Bush Crime Family and the Dulles brother's CIA. The events of Nov 22, 1963--when they finally succeeded in a coup--created the situation we are currently in wherein yet another Bush is having their fascist way with the world.
I personally am much more interested in the big picture than in which cowardly thug hid behind a...bush...to wack President Kennedy (what you presumably consider "sticking to the point"). I want to know who was in the ruling class was that hired the shooters. Nov 22, 1963 did not happen in a vacuum.
This is a huge consipiracy and cover-up spanning decades. If you dont or wont see that I wonder what you'd get out of this forum."
YESSSS!!! And, that's an "atta boy," for you, Myra!
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Typical 'liberal" revisionist trying to rewrite history!
My posts are ridiculous! Where have you been? The Warren Commission solved this case in Sept. 1964. A Blue Ribbon panel appointed by the Honorable Lyndon Baines Johnson! For 43 years one conspiracy breeds another conspiracy. People in trees shooting,the magic bullet,tampering with the Zapruder film,George Bush involved,umbrella man,badge man,radio man,cia,mafia,and the list goes on. And why does it continue? People cannot accept the fact that one indivdual on the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository murdered JFK. Prove me wrong. Show me the evidence.
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For starters, you should consider reading some books on the subject... For starters, I'd recommend "Breach of Trust" by Gerald McKnight. This will help give perspective on what the Warren Commission was really chartered to do. I'll give you a hint, though. It wasn't to "solve the case."
But now, some questions for you:
There have been two government "investigations" into the JFK. One said LHO acted alone, a second one indicated that LHO was involved, but there was substantial evidence of conspiracy. Which one got it right? Both? Neither? Like I said,show me the proof.
Secondly, if you've got it all figured out, why are you here?
The Warren Report has stood the test of time! I didn't figure it out,the CIA,FBI,Dallas police,and the Warren Commission figured it out.
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"My posts are ridiculous!"
Yes they are, numbnuts.
"The Warren Report has stood the test of time! I didn't figure it out,the CIA,FBI,Dallas police,and the Warren Commission figured it out."
It's a xxxxx-call Alert and another CLYDE AWARD
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John J. McCloy has some interesting connections to the oil industry? In 1945 McCloy was invited by Nelson Rockefeller to join the family law firm, Milbank, Tweed, Hope & Hadley. He accepted the offer and the firm became known as Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy. The law firm's most important client was the Rockefeller family's bank, Chase National. As John D. Rockefeller Jr. told his personal lawyer, Thomas M. Debevoise, "McCloy knows so many people in government circles... that he might be in the way to get information in various quarters about the matter without seeking it, or revealing his hand."
The family's main concern was the threat posed against their interests in Standard Oil of California. John D. Rockefeller Jr. owned almost 6 per cent of the stock of the company, making him the single largest shareholder. In 1946 Harold Ickes claimed that Rockefeller was violating the terms of the 1911 dissolution decree. Two other anti-trust lawyers, Abe Fortas and Thurman Arnold, joined forces with Ickes to petition the Justice Department to investigate the matter. John McCloy, was asked to sort the matter out and by the autumn of 1946, he had persuaded Ickes, Fortas and Arnold to drop the matter.
After leaving Germany in 1953 McCloy became chairman of the Chase Manhattan Bank (1953-60) and the Ford Foundation (1958-65). He also continued to work for Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy. The company was owned by the Rockefeller family and therefore McCloy became involved in lobbying for the gas and oil industry.
McCloy remained close to Dwight D. Eisenhower and according to Kai Bird (The Chairman: John J. McCloy: The Making of the American Establishment): "On at least one occasion, in February 1954, he (McCloy) used a Chase National Bank plane to ferry himself and the rest of Ike's gang down from New York in order to keep a golf date with the president at the Augusta National range."
It was Eisenhower who first introduced McCloy to Sid Richardson and Clint Murchison. Soon afterwards, Chase Manhattan Bank began providing the men with low-interest loans. In 1954 McCloy worked with Richardson, Murchison and Robert R. Young in order to take control of the New York Central Railroad Company. The activities of these men caused a great deal of concern and the Interstate Commerce Commission (ICC) eventually held hearings about what was described as "highly improper" behaviour. The takeover was a disaster and Young committed suicide and New York Central eventually went bankrupt.
In 1950 Eisenhower had purchased a small farm for $24,000. According to Drew Pearson and Jack Anderson (The Case Against Congress), several oil millionaires, including W. Alton Jones, B. B. Byers and George E. Allen, began acquiring neighbouring land for Eisenhower. Jonathan Kwitny (Endless Enemies) has argued that over the next few years Eisenhower's land became worth over $1 million: "Most of the difference represented the gifts of Texas oil executives connected to Rockefeller oil interests. The oilmen acquired surrounding land for Eisenhower under dummy names, filled it with livestock and big, modern barns, paid for extensive renovations to the Eisenhower house, and even wrote out checks to pay the hired help."
In 1956 there was an attempt to end all federal price control over natural gas. Sam Rayburn played an important role in getting it through the House of Representatives. This is not surprising as according to John Connally, he alone had been responsible for a million and a half dollars of lobbying.
Paul Douglas and William Langer led the fight against the bill. Their campaigned was helped by a speech by Francis Case of South Dakota. Up until this time Case had been a supporter of the bill. However, he announced that he had been offered a $25,000 bribe by the Superior Oil Company to guarantee his vote. As a man of principal, he thought he should announce this fact to the Senate.
Lyndon B. Johnson responded by claiming that Case had himself come under pressure to make this statement by people who wanted to retain federal price controls. Johnson argued: “In all my twenty-five years in Washington I have never seen a campaign of intimidation equal to the campaign put on by the opponents of this bill.” Johnson pushed on with the bill and it was eventually passed by 53 votes to 38. However, three days later, Dwight D. Eisenhower, vetoed the bill on grounds of immoral lobbying. Eisenhower confided in his diary that this had been “the most flagrant kind of lobbying that has been brought to my attention”. He added that there was a “great stench around the passing of this bill” and the people involved were “so arrogant and so much in defiance of acceptable standards of propriety as to risk creating doubt among the American people concerning the integrity of governmental processes”.
The decision by Dwight D. Eisenhower to veto this bill angered the oil industry. Once again Sid Richardson and Clint Murchison began negotiations with Eisenhower. In June, 1957, Eisenhower agreed to appoint their man, Robert Anderson, as his Secretary of the Treasury. According to Robert Sherrill in his book, The Accidental President: "A few weeks later Anderson was appointed to a cabinet committee to "study" the oil import situation; out of this study came the present-day program which benefits the major oil companies, the international oil giants primarily, by about one billion dollars a year."
According to Jonathan Kwitny (Endless Enemies) from 1955 to 1963, the Richardson, Murchison, and Rockefeller interests (arranged by John McCloy) and the International Basic Economy Corporation (100% owned by the Rockefeller family) gave "away a $900,000 slice of their Texas-Louisiana oil property" to Robert B. Anderson, Eisenhower's Secretary of the Treasury.
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Maybe, this news is the forecast of what's to come: the dismantling of McCloy's oil lobby debacle
FOCUS | Democrats Aim to Repeal Tax Breaks for Big Oil
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/111906X.shtml
House Democrats are targeting billions of dollars in oil company tax
breaks for quick repeal next year. Incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi,
in an outline of priorities over the first 100 hours of the next
Congress in January, promises to begin a move toward greater energy
independence "by rolling back the multibillion dollar subsidies for Big Oil."
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That's a question we have been trying to answer for years now. Jim Lesar, the authority on the matter, gets a runaround from NARA when he asks the question. Lesar said that when specific records were with held by ARRB, a note to that effect was officially published in the Congressional Record and/or National Register? - but no list(s) compiled.
Thanks for the info, Bill.
Personally, I don't see a damned syllable anywhere in the Constitution—or on back of it, for that matter—that grants anyone an authority on any grounds to withhold the fact of existence of any document, anywhere, at any time, produced by a paid and accountable servant of the citizens of the United States.
The entire relationship of citizens to public servants has been completely inverted since at least 1913, and I for one am of the opinion that it's about time it got turned right-side-up again.
First step, I guess, would be to get them stop sucking at the public teat long enough to answer a question.
Ashton
Correction, not National Register - Federal Register. I was going to post an example of an ARRB announcement on releases and postponements, but we were attacked and I take the assault personally. Here's the example, and note particularly those docs with held in 1998 that were slated for release between then and 2006. We have to list those docs, request them again, and ensure they are in fact available as they should be.
Since the ARRB and the NARA seem to be disinclined about furnishing any lists of with held docs, the index of the daily Federal Register must be reviewed for inclusions of all ARRB notices. Anybody got some spare time?
BK
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Federal Register: September 30, 1998 (Volume 63, Number 189)]
[Notices]
[Page 52236-52237]
From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]
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ASSASSINATION RECORDS REVIEW BOARD
Formal Determinations, Additional Releases and Corrections
AGENCY: Assassination Records Review Board.
ACTION: Notice.
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SUMMARY: The Assassination Records Review Board (Review Board) met in
closed meetings on September 9, 1998 and September 14, 1998, and made
formal determinations on the release of records under the President
John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 (JFK Act).
By issuing this notice, the Review Board complies with the section of
the JFK Act that requires the Review Board to publish the results of
its decisions in the Federal Register within 14 days of the date of the
decision.
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Peter Voth, Assassination Records
Review Board, Second Floor, Washington, DC 20530, (202) 724-0088, fax
(202) 724-0457. The public may obtain an electronic copy of the
complete document-by-document determinations by contacting
<Eileen__Sullivan@jfk-arrb.gov>.
SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION: This notice complies with the requirements
of the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act
of 1992, 44 U.S.C. 2107.9©(4)(A) (1992). On September 9, 1998, the
Review Board made formal determinations on records it reviewed under
the JFK Act.
Notice of Formal Determinations
20 Church Committee Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
6 CIA Documents: Postponed in Part until 05/2001
391 CIA Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
7 DOJ Documents: Open in Full
1 DOJ Document: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
679 FBI Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
29 JCS Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
1 JFK Library Document: Postponed in Full until 10/2017
1 LBJ Library Document: Postponed in Full until 10/2017
1 NARA Document: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
1 Office of the Secretary of Defense Document: Postponed in Part
until 10/2017
1 Pike Committee Document: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
2 US ARMY (Califano) Documents: Open in Full
1 US ARMY (Califano) Document: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
228 US ARMY (IRR) Documents: Open in Full
166 US ARMY (IRR) Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
The Review Board also determined that the following records are not
believed relevant to the JFK assassination:
CIA Document
104-10079-10281
LBJ Library Documents
177-10001-10277
177-10001-10279
177-10001-10280
US ARMY (IRR) Documents
194-10010-10376
194-10012-10001
194-10012-10002
194-10012-10003
194-10012-10004
194-10012-10005
194-10012-10006
194-10012-10007
194-10012-10009
194-10012-10010
194-10012-10011
194-10012-10040
194-10012-10137
194-10012-10138
194-10012-10139
Notice of Other Releases
After consultation with appropriate Federal agencies, the Review
Board announces that documents from the following agencies are now
being opened in full: 12 Church Committee documents; 7 JCS documents; 3
JFK Library documents; 1 LBJ Library document; 2 NSA documents; 203
U.S. Army (IRR) documents.
On September 14, 1998, the Review Board made formal determinations
on records it reviewed under the JFK Act.
Notice of Formal Determinations
16 CIA Documents: Postponed in Part until 05/2001
16 CIA Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/1999
246 CIA Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
9 DOJ Documents: Open in Full
8 DOJ Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
224 FBI Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
1 HSCA Document: Open in Full
1 HSCA Document: Postponed in Part until 05/2001
3 HSCA Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/1999
2 HSCA Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2003
15 HSCA Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
105 NSA Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
18 PFIAB Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
3 US ARMY (IRR) Documents: Open in Full
139 US ARMY (IRR) Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
Notice of Other Releases
After consultation with appropriate Federal agencies, the Review
Board announces that documents from the following agencies are now
being opened in full: 2 Church Committee documents; 39 U.S. Army (IRR)
documents.
Notice of Corrections
On August 6, 1998 the Review Board made formal determinations that
were published in the August 24, 1998 Federal Register (FR 98-22482, 63
FR 12345). The following documents were declared to be not believed
relevant to the Kennedy Assassination:
US ARMY (IRR) Documents:
194-10001-10323
194-10001-10415
194-10001-10417
194-10001-10421
On August 25, 1998 the Review Board made formal determinations that
were published in the September 15, 1998 Federal Register (FR 98-24741,
63 FR 12345). For that Notice, please make the following corrections:
Previously Published
Notice of Other Releases
105 Church Committee documents.
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Corrected Data
Notice of Other Releases
104 Church Committee documents.
Dated: September 22, 1998.
Laura A. Denk,
Executive Director.
[FR Doc. 98-26086 Filed 9-29-98; 8:45 am]
BILLING CODE 6118-01-P
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Notice of Formal Determinations
20 Church Committee Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
6 CIA Documents: Postponed in Part until 05/2001
391 CIA Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
7 DOJ Documents: Open in Full
1 DOJ Document: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
679 FBI Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
29 JCS Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
1 JFK Library Document: Postponed in Full until 10/2017
1 LBJ Library Document: Postponed in Full until 10/2017
1 NARA Document: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
1 Office of the Secretary of Defense Document: Postponed in Part
until 10/2017
1 Pike Committee Document: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
2 US ARMY (Califano) Documents: Open in Full
1 US ARMY (Califano) Document: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
228 US ARMY (IRR) Documents: Open in Full
166 US ARMY (IRR) Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
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Notice of Formal Determinations
16 CIA Documents: Postponed in Part until 05/2001
16 CIA Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/1999
246 CIA Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
9 DOJ Documents: Open in Full
8 DOJ Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
224 FBI Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
1 HSCA Document: Open in Full
1 HSCA Document: Postponed in Part until 05/2001
3 HSCA Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/1999
2 HSCA Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2003
15 HSCA Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
105 NSA Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
18 PFIAB Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
3 US ARMY (IRR) Documents: Open in Full
139 US ARMY (IRR) Documents: Postponed in Part until 10/2017
Bill, can you tell me if you know why the year 2017 is significant to the release of these docs, if at all? Besides that, it's my understanding that the information Jackie Kennedy stated she would allow to be put in the public record, fifty years after JFK's death, which would've put that at around the year 2013, has been postponed to the year 2038. I'll be 93 years old, if I live that long. What good can possibly come of it, if we're all dead and buried by that time?
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But Colby's little "let's all go to the confessional booth" melodrama was begun as early as 7 May 1973. By then Colby was CIA's Director of Operations. It was then—with Nixon still in office, with the Watergate hearings raging, and almost precisely coordinated with Daniel Ellsberg's case being thrown out based on the CIA Liddy/Hunt/Fielding op Colby had helped in—that Colby wrote the very memo that was circulated to CIA personnel, inviting them to "come forward with anything the CIA might have done that exceeded the limits of the Agency's charter." The memo that Colby wrote, though, was not circulated over Colby's name, but over then-(briefly)-CIA Director Schlesinger's name.
I'm quoting myself here only because I inadvertently omitted an important point: Archbishop Colby's overwhelming divine inspiration for CIA confessionals came only, of course, after his cult-bretheren, Richard Helms and Sidney Gottlieb, had destroyed the evidence of all the sins they really wanted hidden, and then almost immediately had gone up in the Rapture. (Wait: no, Helms had been given a cushy ambassadorship on the other side of the world, and Gottlieb had "retired" with a fat pension right after they destroyed the CIA records at the end of 1972-beginning of 1973. Well, okay: they'd gone up in the Rapture.)
I can't think of any more propitious moment for a sudden inspiration of "let's all hold hands and confess."
"Kumbaya, my Lord. Kumbaya."
(Okay, put down the iron: I'll stop singing.)
Ashton
Once again, you're citing made-up facts to suit your own bizarre scenario. It fits into your own little world-view that Colby ordered the creation of the family jewels, so you state it as a fact, even though the admitted facts by ALL involved is that Schlesinger, a Nixon loyalist, ordered the creation of the family jewels, so that he (and Nixon, obviously) could know what the CIA had been up to during the Kennedy and Johnson years. Based on everything we KNOW about Nixon, it seems likely he was looking for leverage on the CIA--after all, they refused to bail him out of Watergate and may have even (according to Colson's theory) orchestrated it. Was it a coincidence then that the family jewels remained safe until Nixon's downfall, and that they then were leaked to the press, and that this led to subsequent investigations? Was it a coincidence then that Helms was revealed as a perjurer, as a result of these leaks, and as a result of Colby's testimony? And isn't it ironic that the lies Helms told were lies designed to protect NIXON, of all people, and that the media paid as much attention to Helms' lying as they did to Nixon and Kissinger's acts against Allende?
Isn't it likely that Nixon was behind the creation and exposure of the jewels, including MKULTRA? Or do you see Nixon hobbling off to San Clemente, with no thoughts of revenge?
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"Schlesinger, a Nixon loyalist, ordered the creation of the family jewels, so that he (and Nixon, obviously) could know what the CIA had been up to during the Kennedy and Johnson years. Based on everything we KNOW about Nixon, it seems likely he was looking for leverage on the CIA--after all, they refused to bail him out of Watergate and may have even (according to Colson's theory) orchestrated it."
Nixon [a Quaker], as well as any other common citizen, lacking in aristocratic, elite bloodlines or connections, was a witting stooge in his paranoid attempt to keep tabs on the CIA. He was a witting puppet to the regime that orchestrated his election for their supreme opportunitistic agendas [with reference to Watergate, as well as the subsequent disposal of Allende, to name a few]. The same scenario with Reagan [an actor], another stooge, albeit unwitting, whose "Great Communicator" handle was created by the same aristocratic elitist establishment for the expressed purpose of deluding the dumb citizenry into believing that the hostages were being set free, and the Berlin Wall was coming down because some old doddering cowboy "image" was talking "tough" to these "rotten commie bastards." Nixon's fatal mistake was in believing [idealistically] that he could possibly "outwit" the CIA at their own game, thus justifying any underhanded maneuvers he may have had to employ as an excuse for having to fight "fire with fire." He ended up being assassinated in the characteristic sense of the word.
Reagan ended up literally "asleep at the wheel" as it became more apparent at who was really running the office [Donald Regan, Casper Weingarten, George Schultz, and Howard Baker]. I considered Reagan's Vice President, lacking in intelligence, though admittedly, not to the extent of his son, G.W., and actually of no great consequence compared to the other "players" in Reagan's administration. And, G.H.W. and G.W. pale in comparison to Prescott.
So, there you have it. If your granddad, or your great-granddad cannot be counted among the American blue-bloods, you're nothing more than a utilitarian object or tool, to be used in the scheme of things catering to the whims of the upper 5 to 10 percentile.
And, you can bring up all the little details, the dirty laundry, and what have you, but in the end, the facts remain the same. The "winners" aka Eastern Establishment [Yale, Wall Street, Morgan-Chase] always win, the "losers" aka plebes [LBJ, Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Gore] always end up losing. Ain't it great to be alive?
Happy Thanksgiving Week.
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"Information about Agency dealings with the Washington Post newspaper is extremely sketchy."
--Carl Bernstein
Ashton
P.S. Forgive the smiley abuse. I cannot convey how long and loudly I laughed, but I think I scared the neighbor's cat.
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"P.S. Forgive the smiley abuse. I cannot convey how long and loudly I laughed, but I think I scared the neighbor's cat."
That statement left me in stitches.
Thanks for reminding me to catch up before I head to Austin.
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Reagan appointed Casey as director of the Central Intelligence Agency. In this position he was able to arrange the delivery of arms to Iran. These were delivered via Israel. By the end of 1982 all Reagan’s promises to Iran had been made. With the deal completed, Iran was free to resort to acts of terrorism against the United States. In 1983, Iranian-backed terrorists blew up 241 marines in the CIA Middle-East headquarters.
The ultimate Iran-y, of course, was that Reagan ordered the invasion of Grenada to cover his retreat from Lebanon. I'd been skeptical that the move into Grenada was so calculated until reading Maggie Thatcher's memoirs. She claimed that Reagan invaded Grenada, a British protectorate, without even discussing it with her, and that the U.S. invasion was unnecessary.
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"The ultimate Iran-y, of course, was that Reagan ordered the invasion of Grenada to cover his retreat from Lebanon."
I was absolutely appalled when that ridiculous fiasco was going down! They carried on as if it were Pearl Harbor or something, those damned arm chair warriors! How embarrassing to have to claim to be an American after witnessing that total display of ineptitude. Grenada was about as threatening to the sovereignty of the United States as Jamaica, or Bermuda, or Nassau and the Bahamas, for chrissakes! Is that all the Reagan/Regan regime could muster up was to go and invade a resort town? Or, maybe the "Resorts International" front was somehow at risk, or in danger of losing most of its clientel from the in-coming spring-break cruise lines, what with the bad PR being aired on the newswires and all? What a bunch of worthless yahoos!
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Ha. There was a priceless New Yorker cartoon that showed an overblown General, presumably at home with spouse, in full uniform with a gazillion medals, holding a drink and posturing. His wife says to him:
"you're insufferable after a 'big win.' Anyway, I realize that a heard melody is sweeter.
But the Greneda thing was done to obfuscate matters involving the execution of some Castro associates, including someone named Maurice Bishop (no relation). Two birds, one stone; as usual.
Thank you, Michael.
I guess I really get pissed off by things that inadvertently equate me [as an American citizen] with asinine gov. strategies deployed in my name [as an American citizen], and with my tax dollars. Especially, when these strategies appear to me [as an American citizen] to be a complete exercise in banality, a comedy of errors, and a total embarrassment due to the waste of resources which could have been put to better use on projects here at home.
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"Once again, Terry masters the art of understatement.
I do admire her passion in every one of her posts.
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What the heck...I'd probably admire her passion without the posts (you can tell it's a Friday).
JG
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"But the Greneda thing was done to obfuscate matters involving the execution of some Castro associates, including someone named Maurice Bishop (no relation). Two birds, one stone; as usual."
Yeah, there they go with those damned "cut-outs" of theirs, again. Smoke and mirrors. Now you see 'em, now you don't. Masters of deception, as well as the masters of invention of "identity theft," as the term has been coined. There always seems to be a "double" popping up somewhere for the seemingly expressed purpose of "You can't put the blame on Mame, here." We've got 2 John Hulls [F. or L., take your pick], we've got 2 Maurice Bishops [well, how convenient!], and let's see, now who else can I think of...
Just thought I throw this in for posterity. I believe the last verse is apropo:
You Can't Always Get What You Want
Lyrics by Rolling Stones
[verse]
I saw her today at a reception
A glass of wine in her hand
I knew she would meet her connection
At her feet was her footloose man
[chorus]
No, you can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
And if you try sometime you find
You get what you need
Yeah, baby
[verse]
And I went down to the demonstration
To get my fair share of abuse
Singing, "We're gonna vent our frustration
If we don't we're gonna blow a 50-amp fuse"
Sing it to me now...
[chorus]
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes well you just might find
You get what you need
Oh baby, yeah, yeah!
[verse]
I went down to the Chelsea drugstore
To get your prescription filled
I was standing in line with Mr. Jimmy
And man, did he look pretty ill
We decided that we would have a soda
My favorite flavor, cherry red
I sung my song to Mr. Jimmy
Yeah, and he said one word to me, and that was "dead"
I said to him
[chorus]
You can't always get what you want, no!
You can't always get what you want (tell ya baby)
You can't always get what you want (no)
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You get what you need
Oh yes! Truly.
You get what you need--yeah, baby!
[verse]
I saw her today at the reception
In her glass was a bleeding man
She was practiced at the art of deception
Well I could tell by her blood-stained hands
[chorus]
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You just might find
You get what you need
[repeat chorus]
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stay away from there.
they are proponents of "spyware".
you be the judge.
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"they are proponents of "spyware"."
Thanks for the warning. Like I really have the time to check it out, to begin with.
Well, just thought I'd cruise by after re-newing my Norton subscription, always due in November. And, then on to finish gathering up my things for packing for my trip to Austin.
Hey, Dawnie. I see you're up early this A.M.
Let me just cruise another couple of threads, then I'm outta here.
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Ter:
Why don't you send them a resume. Can you imagine? Scary thought....
Hey, you will be here next week. Can't wait!!!! Love you girl.
Dawn
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Here's an update. Tonight, while driving home, the advertisement is aired again on FM. This time they've upgraded their pitch and changed the name from, a career in the Central Intelligence Agency, to a career in the "Clandestine Intelligence Association. An Agency." Same url cia.gov, though. I'd google it, but I haven't had the time or inclination to do so, as yet. Maybe this weekend. There's got to be a hitch.
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I would be real sketical about anything in MacArthur's memoirs, the man's self serving arrogance and disreagard for the facts when not in his favor is monumental. His primary reason for denigrating Iwo is, it wasn't his idea. A great general who, in the opinion of many, was more than a little mad by the time Truman sacked him.
Sure you can base bombers in the Phillipines, but what do you do about the damaged planes that can't make it back to base? This, along with being able to provide a fighter escort to the bombers, was the primary reason for Iwo Jima.
I'm starting to think that MacArthur had good reason to be pissed:
"The best book, in my opinion, to explode this myth is The Decision to Use the Bomb by Gar Alperovitz, because it not only explains the real reasons the bombs were dropped, but also gives a detailed history of how and why the myth was created that this slaughter of innocent civilians was justified, and therefore morally acceptable.
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Another startling fact about the military connection to the dropping of the bomb is the lack of knowledge on the part of General MacArthur about the existence of the bomb and whether it was to be dropped. Alperovitz states "MacArthur knew nothing about advance planning for the atomic bomb’s use until almost the last minute. Nor was he personally in the chain of command in this connection; the order came straight from Washington. Indeed, the War Department waited until five days before the bombing of Hiroshima even to notify MacArthur – the commanding general of the U.S. Army Forces in the Pacific – of the existence of the atomic bomb." --The Hiroshima Myth by John V. Denson, http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/denson7.html
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"Another startling fact about the military connection to the dropping of the bomb is the lack of knowledge on the part of General MacArthur about the existence of the bomb and whether it was to be dropped. Alperovitz states "MacArthur knew nothing about advance planning for the atomic bomb’s use until almost the last minute. Nor was he personally in the chain of command in this connection; the order came straight from Washington. Indeed, the War Department waited until five days before the bombing of Hiroshima even to notify MacArthur – the commanding general of the U.S. Army Forces in the Pacific – of the existence of the atomic bomb." --The Hiroshima Myth by John V. Denson,"
I'm just speculating here, but considering that MacArthur was a career warrior, possibly a 20th Century "Caesar," if you will, due to his affinity for strategic acumen. Therefore, I would venture to guess that the War Department was less than forthcoming with MacArthur regarding their plans for Hiroshima and Nagasaki because they knew MacArther would accuse them of wholesale slaughter for attacking the civilian quarter. In all probability he would have accused them of cowardice for not fighting fairly, hand to hand, and made his objections known well ahead of time, which more than likely might have thwarted the plans.
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The more I read about Truman the more appalled I get. In addition to the obvious--dropping atom bombs on civilian targets--he: Started the Cold War (which is the tie in to President Kennedy), hatched the CIA, and oversaw the creation of the World Bank. That's quite the smorgasbord of evil. Individually each did (does) a lot to undermine democracy; collectively it's overwhelming to contemplate the impact.
Am I being unfair to him? Are many of these episodes and institutions a good idea gone bad? Or are they, as they seem to be, a bad idea gone bad? Was Truman just clueless or was he well meaning but deluded?
And why did he tell the US public that he'd just dumped an atom bomb on Hiroshima, and call it a "military base"???
http://www.dannen.com/decision/hst-ag09.html
He also wrote in his diary that he would only drop bombs on military targets.
http://www.dannen.com/decision/hst-jl25.html
Then the matter seems to be dropped (so to speak) and alluva sudden bombs are tossed onto cities.
Does anyone know what happened in this gap between insisting he'd target Japanese military bases and not cities, and bombing cities?
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"Anyone else think Truman one of the worst presidents, ever?"
My Dad, rest his soul. He was a Democrat before [as he used to complain] FDR pulled MacArthur from the Asian theatre just as he was positioning to take North Korea under the U.S. flag. After that egregious error [in my Dad's opinion] in strategic military/political maneuvering, he voted Republican, right or wrong.
Although, he did agree with some of Kennedy's policies and often referred to him as a "conservative liberal," or a "conservative democrat," which seemed like a contradiction in terms to me, at the time. I was 15 to 18 years of age, during Kennedy's term in office.
"he: Started the Cold War (which is the tie in to President Kennedy), hatched the CIA, and oversaw the creation of the World Bank."
I was under the impression that it was Winston Churchill who helped create the climate of the "Cold War" by terming the Russian occupied territories as "The Iron Curtain." Remember, Russia had been part of the Allied Forces helping to liberate Europe from German occupation. The spoils of war were divided up by the conquering forces on both sides of the battle lines.
"Was Truman just clueless or was he well meaning but deluded?"
Probably a little of both. Stepping in behind four terms of FDR's office would seem to be a daunting exercise for anyone to be presented with, let alone be left to implement its policies, both domestic and foreign.
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Ter:
Why don't you send them a resume. Can you imagine? Scary thought....
Hey, you will be here next week. Can't wait!!!! Love you girl.
Dawn
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"Why don't you send them a resume. Can you imagine? Scary thought....
"I'd rather send my resume to Castro before I'd ever send anything to those assholes, and their damned "Company."
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I was just wondering if any other folks out there across the vast wasteland of the continental U.S. of A. have heard a commercial on their radio stations being aired by the C.I.A. in a similar vein as The Army and Marine Corp visuals being shown on commercial TV. They're geared along those same lines, encouraging people to join the C.I.A. for a career in "intelligence," as if it were some trade school trying to pass itself off for a college. i.e. I.T.T. or DeVry. They tell you to log on to cia.gov if you're looking for a career with the U.S. government.
Since when has the C.I.A. started to recruit from the blue-collar droves? I thought that's what they sent G. Gordon Liddy out on the Ivy League circuit for? To recruit from the supposedly brightest of the elites. The only time I can remember EVER seeing an advertisement for recruitment was back in 1989, in the classified section of the LA Times, and that was a really small ad which required a B.S. degree, if I remember correctly. The only reason I can think of might be to beef up The Homeland Security Force, or might it be to use these "new" recruits as "expendible" moles?
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What a bunch of worthless yahoos!
Once again, Terry masters the art of understatement.
I do admire her passion in every one of her posts.
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Thank you, Michael.
I guess I really get pissed off by things that inadvertently equate me [as an American citizen] with asinine gov. strategies deployed in my name [as an American citizen], and with my tax dollars. Especially, when these strategies appear to me [as an American citizen] to be a complete exercise in banality, a comedy of errors, and a total embarrassment due to the waste of resources which could have been put to better use on projects here at home.
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The counter culture scene of the 1960s turned ugly once the real heavy stuff showed up,wanna put one up the man, man, drop a tab, "You'd better free your mind instead." (Lennon) Never mind revolution, marching, and fighting for social change, by the late sixties all that mattered was expanding your individual consciousness, why do you think the weathermen were so pissed, and some people believe all this happened by chance!!!! Take one hippie, mix with acid and heroin, hey presto Ladies and Gents Charles Manson. "The dream is over"(Lennon)
Ps, Find out where Owlsley got the trip, making high grade Acid in his bedroom for distribution in haight asbury, flood the streets, kill the dream. opps their goes Jimi, Jim, Janis, Brian. "Go see Alice, when shes ten feet tall" ( Jefferson Airplane)
And how you gonna turn off this generations possible rebels? easy, diagnosis, ADHD, cure? Ritalin,over two million US schoolkids are now talking this poison (side effects, depression, suicide, aggressive behaviour inability to consentrate) one girl was prescribed after being asked "Do you find yourself daydreaming" any teenager who answered no to that question needs help. Lets call it unmanufacturing dissent
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Yeah, and as they used to say back then, "Right on!" Myra and Stephen.
But, Myra hit it "Right on!" earlier up in her post with reference to The Tavistock Institute, out of the U.K.
Remember the movie "A Clockwork Orange?" The sequence where Malcolm MacDowell was sent to be "de-programmed" for his evil, murderous ways? Come to find out it was filmed in those hallowed halls, as well.
So, it's my opinion that institutes of elitist, higher-learning, etc., and blah, blah, blah, seem to invest alot of time and energy into "shaping," "molding," "creating," the exact replicates of what they believe to be the "status quo" necessary to run "their" show, which they feel truly belongs to "them" because of all the "money" they've invested into "shaping," "molding," "creating," the laws of the "land," "world," aka "global," economy to suit "their" needs. Not to mention that most of the "money" they believe they've "invested" is actually derived from the trillions of tax dollars they've manage to bilk [via tax-diverted loopholes] from the "plebes" or subjects who make up the majority in this world, and who'll never be able to afford to set foot in one of their institutes of higher learning. Thus, ensuring that the wealth of the world continue to be controlled and in the hands of that "chosen" five or ten percentile. Well, how do they manage to get away with that? Very easily, by controlling as much information being distributed as they possibly can, be it via schoolbooks, education, the media aparatus, and most insidiously [as my friend Stephen has pointed out] by drugs. All employing the psycho-technology researched in their hallowed [there's that word, again] ivy halls, such as Harvard, MIT, and Tavistock which I'm certain is just as aligned with the Oxford-Cambridge community as its American counterparts are aligned with the NIH, and vice-versa.
Oh, and one more thing. If you believe that those scholarships awarded to some of the "smarter" plebes don't come with any strings attached? Be aware that those "gifted" children are the first to be snatched up by those hallowed, ivy halls, long before they ever get a chance to graduate from high-school. They're selected via the yearly monitoring of their SAT scores, K1-12.
Hi Ho! Hi Ho! It's off to work this "plebe" will go...
Hey, Ter how are you, tell you how its going down, come the revolution lets make all the little piggies take their own poison, see how they like the trip.....Just call me Dr Feelgood
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When I was working in San Francisco in 1966, I met this guy from England [Danny], who was traveling through CA on a visa via Mexico. We hung out together, and one night we went back to his "flat," where he showed me his graduate papers from Cambridge University in the U.K., or G.B. as it was referred to back then. He said he was working for a guy, with a name that sounded like, "Oslete" [those British accents always throw me]. He then proceeded to show me these ampules of pale blue liquid, about eight or ten of them, that he kept in this case lined with black velvet that had these little elastic bands to hold them in place. His kept his Cambridge diploma, or document, and papers in the pocket behind this false bottom or panel, that held the ampules securely cushioned. He left San Francisco on, or around the 18th of September. Through reading The Chronicle, I came to find out that September 18th, 1966 was the day a law was being enacted to outlaw the sale and distribution of "acid" [lysergic acid diethylamide] in the Bay Area. Later on, when I went back to NY, I saw the correct spelling of Owsley's name and realized the implications of what I had witnessed that summer evening in San Francisco.
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Noam Chomsky was very good at his anti-Viet Nam stuff but on these issues I am inclined to believe he is an asset. Vince Salandria and he engaged in a correspondance and Vince could not ever get Chomsky to accept the conspiracy view on JFK assassination. Amazing, he is far too intelligent to actually believe the WC lie, so that makes him suspect to me.
Yes, MIT and Harvard are within walking distance from each other.
Dawn
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"Yes, MIT and Harvard are within walking distance from each other."
I'm not readily equating Harvard Law School with what goes on in their university's clinical research departments, Hon. I'm merely relating what is common knowledge with regard to the "psy-ops" programs that go on under the umbrella of "research and development." Heaven knows how well JFK, and RFK learned their lessons at Harvard Law, as well as yourself, Dawnie.
Talk to you tonight, after work.
Ter
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The counter culture scene of the 1960s turned ugly once the real heavy stuff showed up,wanna put one up the man, man, drop a tab, "You'd better free your mind instead." (Lennon) Never mind revolution, marching, and fighting for social change, by the late sixties all that mattered was expanding your individual consciousness, why do you think the weathermen were so pissed, and some people believe all this happened by chance!!!! Take one hippie, mix with acid and heroin, hey presto Ladies and Gents Charles Manson. "The dream is over"(Lennon)
Ps, Find out where Owlsley got the trip, making high grade Acid in his bedroom for distribution in haight asbury, flood the streets, kill the dream. opps their goes Jimi, Jim, Janis, Brian. "Go see Alice, when shes ten feet tall" ( Jefferson Airplane)
And how you gonna turn off this generations possible rebels? easy, diagnosis, ADHD, cure? Ritalin,over two million US schoolkids are now talking this poison (side effects, depression, suicide, aggressive behaviour inability to consentrate) one girl was prescribed after being asked "Do you find yourself daydreaming" any teenager who answered no to that question needs help. Lets call it unmanufacturing dissent
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Yeah, and as they used to say back then, "Right on!" Myra and Stephen.
But, Myra hit it "Right on!" earlier up in her post with reference to The Tavistock Institute, out of the U.K.
Remember the movie "A Clockwork Orange?" The sequence where Malcolm MacDowell was sent to be "de-programmed" for his evil, murderous ways? Come to find out it was filmed in those hallowed halls, as well.
So, it's my opinion that institutes of elitist, higher-learning, etc., and blah, blah, blah, seem to invest alot of time and energy into "shaping," "molding," "creating," the exact replicates of what they believe to be the "status quo" necessary to run "their" show, which they feel truly belongs to "them" because of all the "money" they've invested into "shaping," "molding," "creating," the laws of the "land," "world," aka "global," economy to suit "their" needs. Not to mention that most of the "money" they believe they've "invested" is actually derived from the trillions of tax dollars they've manage to bilk [via tax-diverted loopholes] from the "plebes" or subjects who make up the majority in this world, and who'll never be able to afford to set foot in one of their institutes of higher learning. Thus, ensuring that the wealth of the world continue to be controlled and in the hands of that "chosen" five or ten percentile. Well, how do they manage to get away with that? Very easily, by controlling as much information being distributed as they possibly can, be it via schoolbooks, education, the media aparatus, and most insidiously [as my friend Stephen has pointed out] by drugs. All employing the psycho-technology researched in their hallowed [there's that word, again] ivy halls, such as Harvard, MIT, and Tavistock which I'm certain is just as aligned with the Oxford-Cambridge community as its American counterparts are aligned with the NIH, and vice-versa.
Oh, and one more thing. If you believe that those scholarships awarded to some of the "smarter" plebes don't come with any strings attached? Be aware that those "gifted" children are the first to be snatched up by those hallowed, ivy halls, long before they ever get a chance to graduate from high-school. They're selected via the yearly monitoring of their SAT scores, K1-12.
Hi Ho! Hi Ho! It's off to work this "plebe" will go...
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I've had suspicions, I've looked through a lot of old threads on CIA propaganda assetts of the "left." A couple of things that keep popping up: Noam Chomsky and MIT. Any opinions?
-Noam seems to warn against all sorts of evils while denying many specific examples of those evils.
"Noam Chomsky - Controlled Asset Of The New World Order
Commentary By Daniel L. Abrahamson
Since 9-11, he has steadfastly refused to discuss the evidence of government complicity and prior knowledge. Furthermore, he claims that the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Bilderberg Committee, and Trilateral Commission are "nothing organizations." When critiquing poverty, he never mentions the Federal Reserve and their role in manipulating the cycle of debt. Similarly, he claims the CIA was never a rogue organization and is an innocent scapegoat; that JFK was killed by the lone assassin Lee Harvey Oswald; that the obvious vote fraud in 2004 did not occur..."
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The Left gatekeepers must manage the delicate tight rope act of appearing radical while in actuality calling for worldwide enslavement and murder. In all likelihood they get a little help from the propaganda scientists at the venerable Tavistock institute in London and adjuncts of the CIA's Mockingbird program; clearly the Left's denial of 9-11 truths has been too coordinated too have simply been a freak occurrence."
http://www.rense.com/general67/noam.htm
-MIT just comes up over and over in reading about history, or suspicions, of CIA activities on campus.
"The CIA Meets MIT
Several decades ago, the CIA decided to establish an office in Cambridge near the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. They rented out a space in Technology Square, in the same building as the Laboratory for Computer Science, and set themselves up as the Charles I. Andersen Music Company. Now, MIT students are no idiots, and it took them all of five minutes to figure out just what kind of music company would set up offices in Tech Square. MIT students, especially hackers, are well-known for their sense of humor, and this was just too choice a target to pass up.
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=11...p;lastnode_id=0
"Web editor's note: Max F. Millikan was an economics professor at Massachusetts Institute of Technology during the 1950s. From 1951-52 he took a leave of absence to serve as assistant CIA director. Upon returning he became director of MIT's Center for International Studies, which was funded by the CIA and Ford Foundation."
http://www.cia-on-campus.org/mit.edu/max.html
"MIT alumni formerly in the American public service include Secretary of Defense Les Aspin (Ph.D XIV '66), former Director of the CIA John M. Deutch (Ph.D V '66),"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts...e_of_Technology
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"The CIA Meets MIT
Several decades ago, the CIA decided to establish an office in Cambridge near the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. They rented out a space in Technology Square, in the same building as the Laboratory for Computer Science, and set themselves up as the Charles I. Andersen Music Company. Now, MIT students are no idiots, and it took them all of five minutes to figure out just what kind of music company would set up offices in Tech Square. MIT students, especially hackers, are well-known for their sense of humor, and this was just too choice a target to pass up.
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=11...p;lastnode_id=0
"Web editor's note: Max F. Millikan was an economics professor at Massachusetts Institute of Technology during the 1950s. From 1951-52 he took a leave of absence to serve as assistant CIA director. Upon returning he became director of MIT's Center for International Studies, which was funded by the CIA and Ford Foundation."
http://www.cia-on-campus.org/mit.edu/max.html
"MIT alumni formerly in the American public service include Secretary of Defense Les Aspin (Ph.D XIV '66), former Director of the CIA John M. Deutch (Ph.D V '66),"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts...e_of_Technology
Well, look at it from this P.O.V., my friend. Harvard University, with the labs that spawned the likes of Ken Kesey, Tim Leary, and their "Kool-Aide Acid Test" experiments. Oh, and let's not forget Ted "The Unibomber" Kozinsky, another product of what might be expected to "accidently" merge into the mainstream of American life from those "ivy halls," as well?
They're not too far away from one another. Harvard and MIT, I mean. Like a couple of miles away. They're both situated right on the Charles River, with MIT on one side wedged parallel between Memorial Drive and Vassar Street, and Harvard on the other side, a little further up the river where it bends alongside Soldier's Field Road, rounding the campus on three sides. Just a thought.
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searc...p;zipcode=#west
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"Well," he (Sibert) replied, "I had mentioned before about Ford moving that back wound up to the base of the neck, and when I went up for the deposition at the AARB, I took that article with me, and they said, 'We already have that,' and I said, 'At last I feel vindicated.' Here he's admitting that he moved that [wound]. That bullet was where everybody said it was. The Secret Service, the doctors. The clothing [holes] matched it and everything else, you know. Those are things you don't forget when you're an eye witness and you're two feet from it. You're not confused about where the location is."Interview with James SibertIn the Eye of Historyby William Matson Law
In my opinion, to believe that Gerald Ford was merely doing his job and that his misrepresentation of the back wound was innocent is difficult to accept, particularly in light of the close relationship Ford had developed with Hoover's bureau.
Gerald McKnight does an excellent job of documenting this relationship in Breach of Trust; How the Warren Commission Failed the Nation and Why.
Ford did a much better job of serving the FBI than he did the American public during his tenure on the Warren Commission.
I don't dispute that Ford was a Hoover ally, and that he reported the Commission's activities to the FBI (Russell did as well). I merely dispute that Ford knew the back wound was on the back and not at the base of the neck, as depicted in the Rydberg drawings. I've looked and I've found nothing to indicate Ford knew any better. Specter, on the other hand, knew better. If anyone gets the chance to interview ole Arlen they need to ask him about this. They need to show him the back wound photo and ask him if the wound in the photo supports the single bullet theory, then show him the re-enactment photos and ask if a bullet entering the chalk mark from the sniper's nest would logically go on to hit Connally in the armpit, then watch him squirm. In short, while Ford MAY have been misrepresenting evidence to sell the SBT, Specter was undoubtedly doing this. One shouldn't focus on Ford without looking into Specter.
If anyone has any evidence indicating that Ford knew the wound was on the back, and that the Rydberg drawings were incorrect, please let me know.
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"I merely dispute that Ford knew the back wound was on the back and not at the base of the neck, as depicted in the Rydberg drawings. I've looked and I've found nothing to indicate Ford knew any better. Specter, on the other hand, knew better."
By the Rydberg drawings, are you referring to those crudely drawn sketches that appeared in the New York Times newspaper in June 1964, when the WCR was released? If these are the same drawings I saw back then, it was these specific sketches that led me to believe we were being lied to. What caused me to get that impression was the way this entry wound was supposed to have exited Kennedy's throat just below the cricoid cartilage and just above the suprasternal notch. To the eyes of a 19 year old with half a semester of medical technology at the time, it seemed outrageous for this commission to expect people to believe that this bullet entered the body from a six story window on a downsloping trajectory, exit from the throat in the area I just mentioned, without leaving so much as a huge hole in its wake. And, think about it for a minute. Even if the bullet had entered this supposed spot higher up nearer the neck, it would've exited lower in the chest area, knicking the right side of the sternum before leaving a large hole upon exiting. But, the worst part was to suggest that it seemingly changed its path after going through JFK, proceed to hit Connally, presumably to exit his right armpit, and then continue down to hit him in his thigh. I mean, it wasn't like this was coming from a Barrett .50, and even if it was, it should've gone right on through to the floorboards instead taking all the twists and turns being attributed to it. Then, the reporter attempted to embellish the improbability of what actually happened by making reference to the "possible ricocheting of the projectile off one of JFK's ribs." Bullets don't ricochet off ribs, they shatter them!
My point is, if a nineteen year old could discern the implausibility of what this appointed commission was attempting to pass off as the "truth" regarding the murder of their president? Then, how could a mature, supposedly "learned" man such as Ford, have been so blind or so inept, as to not have caught what any college student studying Physics 101 so readily picked up on? After all, these sketches were being circulated in all the newspapers at the time, ad nauseum. He should have been able to see for himself how ridiculous the assumption was, that he'd just signed off on.
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Reagan appointed Casey as director of the Central Intelligence Agency. In this position he was able to arrange the delivery of arms to Iran. These were delivered via Israel. By the end of 1982 all Reagan’s promises to Iran had been made. With the deal completed, Iran was free to resort to acts of terrorism against the United States. In 1983, Iranian-backed terrorists blew up 241 marines in the CIA Middle-East headquarters.
The ultimate Iran-y, of course, was that Reagan ordered the invasion of Grenada to cover his retreat from Lebanon. I'd been skeptical that the move into Grenada was so calculated until reading Maggie Thatcher's memoirs. She claimed that Reagan invaded Grenada, a British protectorate, without even discussing it with her, and that the U.S. invasion was unnecessary.
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"The ultimate Iran-y, of course, was that Reagan ordered the invasion of Grenada to cover his retreat from Lebanon."
I was absolutely appalled when that ridiculous fiasco was going down! They carried on as if it were Pearl Harbor or something, those damned arm chair warriors! How embarrassing to have to claim to be an American after witnessing that total display of ineptitude. Grenada was about as threatening to the sovereignty of the United States as Jamaica, or Bermuda, or Nassau and the Bahamas, for chrissakes! Is that all the Reagan/Regan regime could muster up was to go and invade a resort town? Or, maybe the "Resorts International" front was somehow at risk, or in danger of losing most of its clientel from the in-coming spring-break cruise lines, what with the bad PR being aired on the newswires and all? What a bunch of worthless yahoos!
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So, clearly the Dems seemed disinterested or cowed after the murder of President Kennedy, and allowed the cover-up.
Was this a change that occured in the aftermath of the assassination?
Or were the Dems disinterested in being a true opposition party before 1963?
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"Was this a change that occured in the aftermath of the assassination?
Or were the Dems disinterested in being a true opposition party before 1963?"
Let's not forget the "Dixiecrats" and what they stood for. They comprised most of the Southern vote before the Civil Rights Bill was ever enacted, and it sure pissed them off after it was written into law.
I believe the actual "change" was cemented into the majority of the sheeples' minds during the Ron Reagan/Don Regan regime, hence the "1 Party - 2 Branches" system that's been in existence for the last quarter of a century.
When you think about it, there really hasn't been anything consistently resembling a bi-partisan "balance" of government nor choice, offered to the citizenry for most of the Twentieth Century. As Ashton pointed out, in the year 1913, a Democratic regime under the auspices of Woodrow Wilson, allowed a cartel of private bankers to dictate what path "they" chose for this government to follow. The old "Money talks, bullxxxx walks." power aparatus. Franklin D. Roosevelt tried to turn that around following the 1927 economic debacle, and it all seemed "right" and "honorable" for the U.S. to be drawn into another War to save the world and deliver it from tyranny. But, they never tell you about Prescott Bush, or his dealings with Germany's banking system in 1933, even though he was fully aware of the scapegoat mentality being assigned to a group of "non-aryan" people, or the subsequent atrocities about to be committed upon them. No, they don't mention that in any history books the American students might be required to read. Hence, another branch or facet of "Operation Mockingbird" put into effect circa 1947, as Nathaniel so accurately pointed out.
The American people have been dumbed down and goaded into believing they are "free" to make their own choices in whom they prefer to run the show for them. Unfortunately, the success of their lower I.Q.'s, as compared with the rest of the "free" world's, and their inability to think critically and logically enough to have made the right choices with regard to their government's domestic and foreign policies during the last century, is testimony to how successful these cartels have been in shaping public opinion to suit their own private interests. Private interests that will not, and never will have, the interests of its citizens at heart. Oh, you may have some leaders, a smattering maybe here and there, like a Roosevelt, or a Kennedy, who truly understood and even had empathy for, the plight of the working-class citizen, but they were too far and few between, while the fascist element seems to have always been lurking behind the scenes on Wall Street.
If the recent election results indicate that the American people have finally smelled the coffee, and tried to take charge of their government, it's come a little too late. Kind of like closing the barn door after the horses got away, 93 years ago, 43 years ago, and 23 years ago. You can't allow your herds to be decimated time and time again, and still expect to have anything, resembling substantial horsepower, left to run the farm.
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Bill, why have you deleted all of your posts? Dawn's been looking for the one where you asked her about what her friend knew, the post from 10/23/06, the number of which escapes me right now, and that I no longer have a way of retrieving. I alerted her of it last week. She'd been busy with court, and then her birthday on the 24th, so by the time she got a chance to look for it, it had been buried in the thread. So, when I asked her if she'd ever gotten back to you on Friday, she asked me to find the post and e-mail it to her. Yesterday I searched throughout the page where I thought it had been, only to find that all of your posts had been deleted. Why?
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After viewing this movie by Aaron Russo, tell me:
"Now Who Killed The Kennedys? I said after all, it was you and me."
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Dwight Eisenhower and the Oil Industry
in JFK Assassination Debate
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"But he didn't grasp the true scope and depths of the evil he was dealing with in terms of Nixon, Dulles brothers, CIA, Prescott Bush, etc. And the U-2 episode was the eye-opener, but it was too late."
But, he apparently did in his final State Of The Union Address, where he warned America and the in-coming Kennedy administration of the Military Industrial Complex. His presidential veto had largely been ignored and overruled by the Chiefs of Staff, and after turning the keys of the White House over to Kennedy, in so many words, advised him to watch his back with regard to the Bay of Pigs operation. This is from the book of William Manchester's, "One Brief Shining Moment."
Eisenhower was a West Point career military man, like MacArthur, and the American people trusted him and needed him to be their leader in the decade following WW II. The 50's have often been touted as the most prosperous for the U.S. industrially, with that proverbial "chicken in every pot" everyone longed for during the Great Depression years of the 1930's. Well, that almost became a reality for everyone. FDR's New Deal no doubt helped pave the path for the stability and certainly for the burgeoning middle-class that blossomed during the halcyon days of the 50's and early 60's.