Jim Hargrove

Sandy,

Regarding your question about what seemed to be a six month school year at Beauregard....

We all tend to forget how much time off students get.  Here's a copy of the current Beauregard school-year calendar from this source:

With some quick counting you can see students at Beauregard get more days off than there are actual school attendance days.  There are lengthy breaks for summer, Thanksgiving, New Years, Spring Break and other holidays, weekends are always off, and there are other holidays for teacher conferences and the like.

I quickly added up the school days for the Beauregard 2016-17 school year at the link above and came up with 170, a little less than half the 365 days in a full year,  pretty much matching your "six months in a school year" question above. If memory serves, some time ago David Josephs even dug up the 53-54 and 54-55 Beauregard calendars and came up with similar results: that the cumulative record for LHO represented two full years for Beauregard attendance.

This indicates that, with just a few absences, LEE Harvey Oswald attended Beauregard School in New Orleans continuously during the 1953-54 and 1954-55 school years, making it impossible for the same kid to have attended Stripling School in Fort Worth, Texas.

One of the distinctions between American-born LEE Oswald and Russian-speaking HARVEY Oswald is that Lee's school attendance was generally quite good, while HARVEY's was spotty at best, even getting him into legal difficulties in NYC.

1 hour ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Here's a possibility: Have a sidebar with a title like "See the Actual Stripling vs Beauregard Evidence." If the reader wants to see the evidence, he will have to click a link.  In which case a NEW WINDOW opens that has the whole sidebar in it. I think that on a cell phone it will open in a NEW TAB.

I could find the HTML code for opening the link in a new window, if you need it. (I used to write HTML code for a web site I had.)

I think you're right that we should have a link to the Beauregard cumulative record on the two moms page (the record is also reproduced on the Early Years H&L page but it should be on the Marguerites page as well.

I set up a textual link to the doc to open in a new tab in the seventh paragraph of the page at this Harvey and Lee mirror:

http://www.harveyandlee.comze.com/Moms/Moms.html

Do you think that's an improvement?

And by the way....

Here's the cumulative record of LHO's attendance at Beauregard Junior High School in New Orleans. It's from page 817 of Warren Volume 22, and it's been up on HarveyandLee.net for a long time.
 

 

It's a little hard to read, but but if you look closely you can see that "53-54 Beauregard" and "54-55 Beauregard" are written near the upper left corner.  Below, the there is a row we've highlighted in yellow which shows the fall semester of 1953 and indicates that Oswald attended a General Science class, a Physical Education class and attended 89 days of school with only one absence. The second row is for the last half of the eighth grade (spring semester).  The third row shows final grades, absences, and tardies for the entire 53-54 school year (eighth grade).  The fourth, fifth, and sixth rows show the same information (fall and spring semesters and cumulative results) for the 1954-1944 school year (ninth grade).

This covers all the time that Lee HARVEY Oswald attended Stripling School in Fort Worth.  This one of the reasons Tracy works so hard to say all those witnesses from Stripling were wrong and/or ly1ng. 

From the November 22, 1963 page on HarveyandLee.net:

 

 See the Dallas Police Homicide Report for "Tippit, JD," which indicates Oswald was arrested in the balcony.

 

 See L.D. Stringfellow's report, which indicates Oswald was arrested in the balcony.
 

16 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Thanks Jim.

I think John's article would be improved if he were to provide evidence for some of the discrepancies he documents. Actually seeing a discrepancy is a powerful thing. Like the side-by-side photos of the real and fake Marguerites.

Place the videos of the Stripling assistant principal and student, and Robert's recollections of Stripling, beside the WC evidence showing that Oswald attended Beauregard the full year. Emphasize that the two schools are in different cities (states). That's a powerful argument.

 

Sounds like a good idea … but there is a complication, at least for me.  When designing these web pages, I don’t see how it is avoidable to consider that a HUGE percentage of web traffic now is on cell phones.  I try, with varying degrees of success, to set the site up so all the pages are at least readable on a phone.  The side by side pictures get awfully small, as do links set up in columns.  Sidebars become virtually unusable on a phone.  The solution by professionals for this problem is to set up an entirely different, but parallel, site for phone traffic.  I just don’t have the time (or current technical knowledge) to do it.

16 hours ago, Alistair Briggs said:

P.S. I still can't find the Lillian Sigouerette thing anywhere either. Even a Google search for the name 'Sigouerette' is no help - it returned only 43 hits and each and everyone were the line from Armstrong's book " She gave her sister's name as Lillian Sigouerette, when we know her sister's name was Lillian Murrett.". I wonder what the source of it was... even doing a search for it on here only gives 3 results and that 2 of those are from me and you, the other is from Jack White in 2010 where he quotes it from the book...

Jim, if you are able to perhaps ask John Armstrong for the source of the sisters thing and the source for the sigouerette thing that would be great.

Regards

P.S. I am very much appreciating our discourse here. I find the whole topic fascinating.

I think I’ll send John a link and see if he’ll read through this whole thread.  Several issues have come up that might interest him.  I hate to complain, but he can be an insufferable know-it-all when it comes to Oswald.    He often complains that people ask him to explain things that are detailed in Harvey and Lee.  Once, he insisted that I not ask him to explain anything to anyone unless that person had read his book—twice!  (It’s a thousand pages long, not including seven or eight hundred pages of docs and photos on the accompanying CD).  I’ve been studying and promoting his work for more than a decade, and even I can’t remember half the stuff that’s in that book!

In the meantime, one thing you might do is see if there are any additional Carro materials at the online John Armstrong Collection at Baylor University.  He has some stuff there from the National Archives not in the WC volumes, and the OCR is good enough to scan even some handwritten docs.  If you click on “Advanced Search,” you can use a wide range of search techniques.  In the results, note the leftmost “Notebook Title” and “Tab Title” columns.  They are specific summaries of the contents.  When you open a file,  easiest way to study it is just click the “Download” button near top right and view the pdf on your local machine.

On 2/26/2017 at 1:19 AM, Alistair Briggs said:

Don't think you are confused. The (first) fight was with Neumeyer. A day later (maybe two days) Lee was 'sucker punched' (in retaliation?). Was his tooth actually knocked out? I'm not sure to be honest. Voebel doesn't sound overly sure imo when he says "I think he even lost a tooth from that. I think he was cut on the lip, and a tooth was knocked out."

True, but soon after the fight Voebel snapped this photo of LEE Harvey Oswald, which he eventually sold to LIFE magazine for $75:

It’s not as clear as I wish it was, but it sure looks like he might have a missing front tooth.

What is abundantly clear here is that even considering the value of 1964 dollars, Voebel should have gotten himself an agent before talking to LIFE!

2 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Jim,

In the fall of 1954, Fake Marguerite and Harvey lived in Ft Worth and he attended 9th grade at Stripling Junior High. He completed the first half of the semester (we know because the vice principal saw his grades for that) but not the second half (we know because the vice principal saw no grades for that). Harvey may have continued attending Stripling for part of the second half of fall semester.

Then in January 1955 they returned to New Orleans. Could not have Harvey attended Beauregard Junior High at that time? And thus have attended both schools during Harvey's 9th grade?

bump for Jim

The cumulative records published by the Warren Commission show that LHO attended Beauregard School continuously from the fall of 1953 until the fall of 1955.  This is why Warren Commission defenders are trying desperately to discount all those witnesses' memories of Oswald at Stripling School in 1954.

2 hours ago, Alistair Briggs said:

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The two things that Karl pointed out earlier, whilst not unequivocally proving Lee to be 'right handed', they certainly point in that direction imo.

Just to ask, Jim, is it important for him to be left or right handed?

What strikes me as important is that, once again, "Marguerite" didn't know even the simplest facts about her grown "son," like whether he was right or left handed.  Or his birth date.  Or how many sisters she herself had.  Those are not normal mistakes to make. 

1 hour ago, Alistair Briggs said:

Yeah I will certainly keep an eye out for that... wait, don't you mean it the other way round? I was under the impression that Lee's father died two months before he was born - can't say I have ever come across anything saying it was 'soon after'.

Right.  Sorry, I reversed what I meant to say.  No doubt goes back to my repressed left-handed eating.

1 hour ago, Alistair Briggs said:

From reading through the WC testimony of Robert Oswald, he seems very assured and credible with regards to Lee being right handed. Is it strange then that Marguerite would say Lee was left handed? Perhaps! However, Marguerite says " Lee was left handed. Lee wrote left handed and ate right handed. " - what does 'ate right handed' mean?

I’m also left-handed but eat with my right hand.  Without giving away my age, back in the Pleistocene Epoch when I grew up, parents and even some teachers thought it was cumbersome for lefties to sit at a dinner table and eat, with the inevitable mashing of elbows with the right-handed diner seated immediately to the left.  And so eating right-handed was actively encouraged for a number of lefties, including me, and it stuck.  Despite this exception, “Marguerite” clearly said her “son” was left-handed, directly contradicted by Robert Oswald’s testimony.
 

18 hours ago, Alistair Briggs said:

 

Just on that note, here is the part of Marguerite's WC testimony for context...

Mrs. OSWALD. No, sir, Robert says nothing. I have tried to contact Robert for important matters, and Robert will not talk.
Lee was left handed. Lee wrote left handed and ate right handed. And I wanted to know if Lee shot left handed. Because on Lee's leaves, as I stated, they live out in the country, and Robert goes squirrel hunting, and all kinds of hunting. And on leaves from the Marines, Lee has gone out to this farmhouse, to Robert's family house, and he and his brother have gone squirrel hunting. And so Robert would know if Lee shot left handed, and he would not give me the information, gentlemen.
Mr. RANKIN. Is Robert left handed?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, Robert is left handed. I am left handed.
Mr. RANKIN. Is John Pic left handed?
Mrs. OSWALD. No, John is not.
Mr. RANKIN. But you are?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, sir. Now, I write left handed, but I do everything else with my right hand.
But Lee was more left handed than I am.
I write left handed, but I do everything else with my right hand. But Lee was left handed.
Mr. RANKIN. Was Lee Oswald's father left handed?
Mrs. OSWALD. That I do not remember, Mr. Rankin. No--I am the left handed one. I would say no.

 

I just noticed this....  "Marguerite" testified that LHO was basically left handed (I added the emphasis above).  But Robert Oswald testified just the opposite:

Mr. JENNER. And your brother Lee? 
Mr. OSWALD. He was right handed. 
Representative FORD. Was there ever a time that he appeared to be left handed, as far as you recollect? 
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir. I have never known him to handle anything--throw a baseball, football, et cetera, fire a rifle, or do anything, left handed. 
Mr. JENNER. In order to be certain of the details in this respect, when he wrote, did he write with his right or his left hand? 
Mr. OSWALD. Right handed. 
Mr. JENNER. Right handed? 
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir. 
Mr. JENNER. And you in fact have seen him write with his right hand? 
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, I have. 
Mr. JENNER. During your youth? 
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir. 
Mr. JENNER. Did you ever--was there ever an occasion when you saw him write or attempt to write with his left hand? 
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir, I have never seen him at any time, on any occasion, ever attempt to write or do anything left handed. 

That's pretty strange that a mother and brother can't agree about whether a kid was right- or left-handed.  You'd almost think there was something fishy about that family. 

Question for Alistair: If you're going through the Carro material and Marguerite's testimony, could you watch for an instance in which she indicates that her husband died before LHO was born (rather than soon after)?  It seems like another strange thing to forget. 

IN FOND MEMORY

OF JACK WHITE

 

As they were quick to do in a thread from some months ago called “Frankenstein Oswald,” present and past posters on this forum seem anxious to blame the late, great JFK researcher Jack White for a number of things they don’t like about current JFK assassination research. They were wrong about “Frankenstein Oswald,” and they’re wrong again now. In this thread, and elsewhere, W. Tracy Parnell is implying that Jack White was somehow involved in making Stripling School Assistant Principal Frank Kudlaty tell one of the biggest whoppers the state of Texas has heard in recent times. According to Parnell, Kudlaty, under Jack White’s evil influence, totally concocted a story that he met FBI agents at Stripling School immediately after the assassination and handed them records of “Lee Harvey Oswald’s” attendance at the school starting in 1954.

Tracy does this even though John Armstrong published nearly 15 years ago the actual story of how he found Frank Kudlaty and learned of his story. It had nothing to do with Jack White and everything to do with dogged research. John found that multiple people in the area remembered Frank Kudlaty at Stripling School and knew he was still alive. Why? Because Frank was reasonably famous. In addition to his work at Stripling, he had been the Superintendent of Schools for Waco, Texas, and had worked internationally as an educational consultant.

Here, in John’s own words written in 2002 and 2003, is how he discovered Frank Kudlaty and his story.

 

After reading Robert Oswald's testimony, I wrote a letter to the principal of W.C.

Stripling, Mr. Ricardo Galindo, and asked if there were any records of Oswald's atten­-

dance at Stripling.³⁷ Mr. Galindo telephoned and said that while he did not have pos­-

session of such records, it was "common knowledge" that Oswald attended Stripling.

He said all school records had been turned over to the Fort Worth Independent School

District many years ago, and suggested that I contact them to see if they had any records.

 

In late 1993 I made an appointment with Mr. Ralph Waller of the FWISD, 100

North University, in Fort Worth. I met Mr. Waller and his friend, Billy J. Sills, a retired

resident of Fort Worth who was devoting his time to setting up an historical archive for

the District. When I asked if the District had any school records for "Lee Harvey

Oswald," Mr. Waller instructed a co-worker to review their microfilm and provide me

with copies of any records. When I asked if there was a list of teachers who taught at

Stripling in 1954 Mr. Waller said they had no such list, but Billy Sills said he would check

his records and then left.

 

Mr. Waller explained that students who graduated from Ridglea West Elemen­-

tary School prior to the 1951-1952 school year would have gone to Stripling Junior High.

Students who graduated from Ridglea West Elementary School during or after the 1951-

52 school year would have attended Monnig Junior High School, which opened in the

fall of 1952. Oswald graduated from Ridglea West in the spring of 1952, and a copy of

his school transcripts should have been sent to Monnig Junior High--not Stripling.

 

NOTE: Only Marguerite Oswald's notification that the family was moving to New York

would have prevented Ridglea Hest Elementary from automatically forwarding a copy

of Oswald's school transcripts to Monnig. Such a request was not made because the New

York school records did not contain any school transcripts from Ridglea West Elementary.

 

After researching their microfilm records, Mr. Waller's co-workers did not find

any of Oswald's school transcripts, which meant the original records and carbon copies

disappeared prior to 1964 (probably confiscated by the FBI in 1963 ). The only records

they located were enrollment cards from 1951 and 1952 for Ridglea West Elementary

School.

 

NOTE: Prior to the mid-1960's, each Fort Worth school archived school records on site.

In the mid-1960's records from all Fort Worth schools were transferred to a central

warehouse at the Fort Worth Independent School District and microfilmed.

As I was leaving Mr. Waller's office, Billy Sills returned and gave me a handwrit-­

ten list of 41 teachers who had taught at Stripling Junior High during the 1951-1952

school year, along with their most recent address and telephone number.^54-18

 

Stripling faculty members

 

After many hours of long distance telephone calls, I managed to contact a sur­-

prising number of former Stripling teachers, although many were deceased. One man

I spoke with was Mark Summers, a former gym teacher, who began his 10-year tenure

at Stripling in September 1950, one year after Robert Oswald graduated from the school

( 1949). Mr. Summers said that "Lee Harvey Oswald" was a student in his gym class for

a short time, but remembered little about him.

 

NOTE: Mr. Summers could not have mistakenly remembered Robert Oswald in his

class, because Robert graduated from Stripling the year before he began teaching.

 

As I continued to locate and talk with former Stripling teachers, many suggested

that I call "Frank Kudlaty," the former assistant principal at Stripling. I telephoned Mr.

Kudlaty, introduced myself as a JFK researcher, and asked if he knew whether or not

"Lee Harvey Oswald" had attended Stripling. Without hesitation Frank said, "Yes, he

attended Stripling." Somewhat surprised I asked, "How do you know that." Frank re­-

plied, "Because I gave his Stripling records to the FBI."

 

--from Harvey and Lee, pp. 97-98, Copyright © 2003 by John Armstrong

 

 

Rest in peace, Jack White. In JFK research, no good deed goes unpunished.

 

9 hours ago, Alistair Briggs said:

*Just as a point was Robert Edward Lee Oswald not 43 when he died.

Jim, these kind of things fascinate me. You posit the question of 'would anyone here make those kinds of mistakes about their own backgrounds?' Not I, but I do know some people who certainly make some of those mistakes (dates of birth or ages for example)...

Yes, according to findagrave, he was 43 when he died.  I'll send your link to John.  Thanks again.

On 2/25/2017 at 3:53 PM, Jim Hargrove said:

You can’t just look at pictures by themselves to determine whether there were two Marguerite Oswalds and two LHOs.  You have to look at all the evidence.  As one example….

According to the Warren Commission, in the fall of 1954 LEE Harvey Oswald was attending Beauregard Junior High School in New Orleans.  During that time LEE rather famously got into a fight with Beauregard schoolmate John Neumeyer and probably lost a tooth.  LEE’s mother, the real Marguerite Oswald, at the time was living at 1454 St. Mary's St. in New Orleans, not far from Beauregard School.

What the Warren Commission didn’t report (other than neglecting to bury a brief statement by Robert Oswald during his testimony) was that, at the same time during the same school semester,  Lee HARVEY Oswald was attending Stripling Junior High in Fort Worth, Texas.  His caretaker/mother, the Marguerite Oswald impostor, was living at 2200 Thomas Place, directly across the street from Stripling School.  Aware that Harvey Oswald’s Stripling school attendance threatened to expose the existence of an “Oswald Project” involving the two children, Hoover dispatched agents to Stripling within hours of the assassination to confiscate Harvey’s school records.  The agents were met by assistant principal Frank Kudlaty, who handed over the records, which disappeared while in FBI hands. See Frank's YouTube interview:

Warren Commission loyalists and/or Harvey and Lee critics such as Tracy Parnell want you to believe that Lee HARVEY Oswald never attended Stripling, some going so far as to suggest that the late JFK researcher Jack White somehow got Frank Kudlaty to make bogus claims about Oswald’s Stripling records.  But these critics seemingly don’t want you to know how much other evidence exists showing that HARVEY Oswald attended Stripling School in Texas while LEE Oswald was at Beauregard School in Louisiana.an

During research in the 1990s, John Armstrong located a number of former Stripling teachers and students who remembered that Oswald had attended the school.  One was gym teacher Mark Summers, who began his work at Stripling in September 1950, the year after Robert Oswald graduated from Stripling.  He remembered that Lee HARVEY Oswald was in one of his gym classes, though he remembered little else about him.   Classmates Doug Gann, Jackie and Bobby Pitts, and Fran Schubert also remembered LHO at Stripling. See Fran's YouTube interview.

At least one educator in Fort Worth told John Armstrong that it was “common knowledge” that LHO attended Stripling School in the 1950s.  In late October 1959, when his so-called brother “defected,” Robert Oswald told the Fort Worth Star Telegraph that LHO had attended Stripling School.  He said the same thing to the same paper in June 1962, at the time of LHO's repatriation.  And, of course, Robert testified that his “brother” attended Stripling, a remark totally ignored by WC lawyers. 

Bear in mind that from both before and after the entire fall semester starting in September 1954, the Warren Commission said LHO and his mother lived at 1454 St. Mary’s St. in New Orleans.  No wonder WC loyalists work so hard to discredit the simple fact that Lee HARVEY Oswald attended Stripling School in Texas at the same time!  Here’s the 10/31/59 Fort Worth Stat Telegraph article, hard to find online:

   
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/6s62u2kgus4x6n2/Stripling_1959.jpg?dl=0

Edit: Corrected the name of the guy LEE Oswald fought at Beauregard School  to John Neumeyer.  Thanks to Alistair and Sandy.

Bump!

I see, you weren't referring to the evidence you said didn't exist... which is probably Jack White's fault also, eh?

Do you seriously believe Carro heard "Murret" but wrote down "Sigourette?"  You do have some evidence for that, right?

13 minutes ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:

There is no evidence that LHO attended Stripling other than witness testimony from 30-40 years later. Kudlaty was a friend of Jack White and White probably gave him some of the ideas he had about the case. The fact that many discrepancies occurred during the Carro interview suggests that there was a communication problem there.

That's not true, Tracy, and you should know it.  Robert Oswald told the Fort Worth Star Telegraph way back in 1959 that his "brother" attended Stripling.  That's only five years after "Oswald's" Stripling attendance. Are you guys blaming Jack White for that too?  Sheesh!  Why are you misleading people like this?

Try again on Carro.  He was a professional taking notes of an interview.  Do you really believe "Marguerite's" lack of understanding of her own background was Carro's fault.  Why did she have to rely on supplied notes to reconstruct simple details of her biography during her Warren Commission testimony?

14 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Real Marguerite's hairline is oval to square. In contrast, Fake Marguerite's hairline is recessed above the temples. Above, you can see it on her right side. Below you can see it on her left side.

Thanks, Sandy, that's an interesting point.

I keep thinking, though, that you can't just consider the photos when considering the evidence for two LHOs and two Marguerites.  You've got to look at ALL the evidence.

No one seems to have a good explanation for how Oswald could have attended Beauregard School in New Orleans and Stripling School in Fort Worth at the same time.  No one can explain why the Stripling records disappeared while in FBI custody.

So let's move on to another subject.  Why did "Marguerite Oswald" know so little about her life and her family's life when interviewed by John Carro in NYC in 1953 and by the Warren Commission in 1964?  The information she provided Carro is a little scattered around the WC Carro exhibits, but here's how John A. summarizes it:

The Marguerite Oswald impostor told Carro she was the youngest of 6 children, yet there were 5 children in the Claverie family. She gave Lee Oswald's father's name as Robert Lee Harvey, when his real name was Robert Edward Lee Oswald. She said Lee's father died at age 45, yet we know he was 41 years old when he died. She gave her marriage date as July 19, 1929, yet she married Robert Oswald in 1933. She gave her sister's name as Lillian Sigouerette, when we know her sister's name was Lillian Murrett. She said she formerly owned a house in Corning, Texas, yet there is not and never has been a "Corning," Texas. She gave Lee Harvey Oswald's birth date as October 19 when the correct date was October 18th. She said Lee was baptized at the Trinity Lutheran Church in New Orleans, when the records show he was baptized at the Redeemer Lutheran Church in New Orleans. When she was asked whether Lee's father was right or left handed she replied "I do not remember, sir" (Warren Commission testimony). There is no reason for a 45 year old woman to make these kind of errors concerning her background. Had she forgotten, was she lying, or was this person truly Lee's mother?

How can anyone know so little about her supposed family?  Would anyone here make those kinds of mistakes about their own backgrounds?
 

 

Sheesh!  Fifty years ago, Sylvia Meagher published her highly regarded book, Accessories After the Fact.  She had a whole section entitled “Two Oswalds.”

 



 

In The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald Robert Groden has an entire chapter entitled “Too Many Oswalds.”

In his recent book JFK and the Unseakable  James Douglass devotes dozens of pages to evidence that Oswald was impersonated time and time again. He footnotes Harvey and Lee a number of times.

How many times are we to say “Oswald” was impersonated before we seek a simpler explanation?  All the insults and ranting and raving in the world won’t make the evidence for two Oswalds go away.  The evidence is right here:

HarveyandLee.net

42 minutes ago, Karl Kinaski said:

Hargrove, please ---stop your disinfo Bull S .... Your paid by the word. 

KK

That is libelous, Kinaski!  Despite your obvious defamation, I have never made one thin dime off the Kennedy assassination or John Armstrong’s work.  

I’m sure Robert thought he was doing his patriotic duty when he delivered the bare bones bio of HARVEY Oswald to the Fort Worth newspaper in 1959.  It was HARVEY who attended Stripling, not LEE.  My guess is that Harvey’s handlers wanted to get him away from Beauregard and LEE Oswald before someone began questioning the two boys with the same name.  At all times, Harvey only got a taste of Lee’s life, never much of a meal.

In order to sell the tale of an American boy [who secretly understood Russian] "defecting" to the Soviet Union, Harvey's handlers hardly had to hide his Stripling attendance. Remember, none of this would have been put under a microscopic if the Oswald Project hadn't got entangled in the Kennedy assassination in 1963.

29 minutes ago, Robert Charles-Dunne said:

Paul Trejo is either illiterate, a fool or a xxxx, or perhaps all three.

To wit, we now have a desperate gambit by Trejo in which he claims I picked a dozen irrelevant witnesses, and ignored the seven witnesses he thinks germane.

Had he read the beginning of the post that has him so rankled, he would have seen:

“To wit, the following list of nineteen people provided by Paul Trejo and what we should find in furtherance of his contentions, but do not:”

Illiterate, fool or xxxx?

I’ll let readers here decide.

Hi, Robert....

Good to see you posting again!  I'm still waiting for Mr. Trejo to make good counters to my following list.  He tried once but failed miserably.  He'll probably want to try again, since he goes to such links to defend the CIA at almost every opportunity.

21 Facts Indicating ”Lee Harvey Oswald” was a CIA Agent

1. CIA accountant James Wilcott said he made payments to an encrypted account for “Oswald or the Oswald Project.”

2. Antonio Veciana said he saw LHO meeting with CIA’s Maurice Bishop/David Atlee Phillips in Dallas in August 1963.

3. A 1978 CIA memo indicates that a CIA operations officer “had run an agent into the USSR, that man having met a Russian girl and eventually marrying her,” a case very similar to Oswald’s and clearly indicating that the Agency ran a “false defector” program in the 1950s.

4. Robert Webster and LHO "defected" a few months apart in 1959, both tried to "defect" on a Saturday, both possessed "sensitive" information of possible value to the Russians, both were befriended by Marina Prusakova, and both returned to the United States in the spring of 1962.

5. Richard Sprague, Richard Schweiker, and CIA agents Donald Norton and Joseph Newbrough all said LHO was associated with the CIA. 

6. CIA employee Donald Deneslya said he read reports of a CIA agent who had worked at a radio factory in Minsk and returned to the US with a Russian wife and child.

7. Kenneth Porter, employee of CIA-connected Collins Radio, left his family to marry (and no doubt monitor) Marina Oswald after LHO’s death.

8. George Joannides, case officer and paymaster for DRE (which LHO had attempted to infiltrate) was put in charge of lying to the HSCA and never told them of his relationship to DRE.

9. For his achievements, Joannides was given a medal by the CIA.

10. FBI took Oswald off the watch list at the same time a CIA cable gave him a clean bill of political health, weeks after Oswald’s New Orleans arrest and less than two months before the assassination.

11. Oswald’s lengthy “Lives of Russian Workers” essay reads like a pretty good intelligence report.

12. Oswald’s possessions were searched for microdots.

13. Oswald owned an expensive Minox spy camera, which the FBI tried to make disappear.

14. Even the official cover story of the radar operator near American U-2 planes defecting to Russia, saying he would give away all his secrets, and returning home without penalty smells like a spy story.

15. CIA Richard Case Nagell clearly knew about the plot to assassinate JFK and LHO’s relation to it, but the CIA ignored his warnings.

16. LHO always seemed poor as a church mouse, until it was time to go “on assignment.”  For his Russian adventure, we’re to believe he saved all the money he needed for first class European hotels and private tour guides in Moscow from the non-convertible USMC script he saved. In the summer of 1963, he once again seemed to have enough money to travel abroad to Communist nations.

17. To this day, the CIA claims it never interacted with Oswald, that it didn’t even bother debriefing him after the “defection.” What utter bs….

18. After he “defected” to the Soviet Union in 1959, bragging to U.S. embassy personnel in Moscow that he would tell the Russians everything he knew about U.S. military secrets, he returns to the U.S. without punishment and is then in 1963 given the OK to travel to Cuba and the Soviet Union again!

19. Allen Dulles, the CIA director fired by JFK, and the Warren Commission clearly wanted the truth hidden from the public to protect sources and methods of intelligence agencies such as the CIA. Earl Warren said, “Full disclosure was not possible for reasons of national security.”

20. In 1978, the government of Cuba announced that “Lee Harvey Oswald” was a “CIA AGENT.”

21. President Kennedy and the CIA clearly were at war with each other in the weeks immediately before his assassination, and “Oswald” was the CIA’s pawn.

Robert first made the comments about Stripling to the Fort Worth newspaper when his so-called brother first "defected" to the USSR in 1959 and then again when he repatriated in 1962.  It was already on the public record before JFK was murdered.  Hoover could make a trainload of evidence disappear, but he couldn't recall all the copies of a large metropolitan daily.  You guys should blame that failure on Jack White, too.

If "Marguerite Oswald" appeared loony, that is EXACTLY what the Agency would want for someone who accused her "son" of being an agent working for them.

Again, to read the full story of the two Marguerite's that prompted this thread.....

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The real question about all this LHO activity at Beauregard School in New Orleans, though, is how the heck do we explain that LHO clearly attended Stripling School in Fort Worth, Texas at the very same he was at Beauregard School in Louisiana?  Are the Harvey and Lee critics still trying to blame Jack White and Frank Kudlaty for all of this?  Kudlaty had a significant career in education.  He served as the Superintendent of Schools for Waco, Texas, and was hired by foreign governments, including China, as an educational consultant.  Why would he invent all this?  Why would all those other witnesses make this stuff up?  Why would Robert Oswald say in 1959, again in 1962, and again at the Warren Commission hearings that his "brother" attended Stripling School?  Was that all Jack White's fault too?

3 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

"....LEE Oswald became friends with Ed Voebel (who was also friends with HARVEY Oswald a year earlier)...."

Armstrong should have contacted Ed Voebel and asked him about his two friends, both named Lee Harvey Oswald!

Is Ed Voebel still alive?

Like David Ferrie, who also met both Oswalds, Ed Voebel met an untimely death.   In May 1971, he fell ill and was rushed to the Ochsner Clinic.  The doctor asked if he had been around any poisons.  He died the following day at the age of 32.  His father told the HSCA that, although he had no proof, he believed his son died under suspicious circumstances.

John did interview Voebel's sister, whose legal first name was Sweetie Pie.  He also talked to John Neumeyer who, if memory serves, became quite a successful businessman.