Jim Hargrove

Is that the best you got, Bernie? REALLY???? Russian-speaking Harvey and American-born Lee didn't look all that much alike... just enough alike to fool casual observers. That sort of loose resemblance is EASY to determine, even when the subjects are 10 years old... or less. Just look at the pictures at the top of the homepage on my website: HarveyandLee.net. In the very top image, American-born Lee Oswald is shown at far left (in a photo taken by his brother Robert); Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald is shown at far right in his famous mug shot. In between is CIA BS. Megathanks, as always, to Robert Prudhomme for his evidence pointing out that athletically built, American-born Lee Oswald was 5' 11" tall and weighed 150 lbs. We all know that Russian-speaking Harvey was a scrawny guy, at least 2 inches shorter. Let's talk MUCH MORE, Bernie, about Oswald lookalikes. Just to get the ball rolling, let's talk, in great detail, about Laura Kittrell! I'll go first and you can whine about it, as always .... Here's a VERY short write-up on Ms. Kittrell and her observations of the differences between the Two Oswalds. http://harveyandlee.net/Kittrell/Kittrell.htm Let's keep talking, Bernie. Don't give up!!

According to Wikipedia, Leo Sauvage interviewed Dial Ryder roughly a half century ago, and Ryder told him (emphasis added) it was “either another rifle or another Oswald.” [The Oswald Affair, Leo Sauvage, World Publishing Company, 1966, p. 67] As to your sheer speculation that Ryder himself made the anonymous calls--which you tried to present as fact—if you know even the basics of this case you surely know there is a far more likely explanation…. The same people involved in framing “Oswald” throughout most of October and November probably sent the “Oswald” lookalike to Edith Whitworth's store and Dial Ryder's shop, AND made the anonymous calls. These are.... The same people involved in sending an Oswald lookalike to the Sports Drome Rifle Range on numerous occasions, several times creating a scene and once shooting at another guy's target; The same folks who sent someone resembling “Oswald” and using his name (and undoubtedly an “Oswald” drivers license which supposedly didn't exist) to the Downtown Lincoln Mercury dealership where he test drove a car at wrecklessly high speeds saying he would soon come into enough money to buy a new car; The same conspirators who sent an “Oswald” lookalike to the Southland Hotel parking garage (Allright Parking Systems) and applied for a job and asked how high the Southland Building was and if it had a good view of downtown Dallas; The same people who sent a fellow who looked like “Oswald” hitch-hiking on the R.L. Thornton Expressway while carrying a 4 foot long package wrapped in brown paper who introduced himself to Ralph Yates as “Lee Harvey Oswald,” discussed the President's visit, and asked to be dropped across the street from the Texas School Book Depository (where Russian-speaking “Lee Harvey Oswald” was already working). This explanation is far more likely true than your unsupported speculation that Ryder himself made the calls.

Bump for Jim... I thought you may have at least addressed this point Jim. At first I thought it was a genuine error, it's easy to do. But you guys do it ALL the time. Then when it's raised you completely ignore it and dump another chapter no doubt also full of these 'mistakes'. I can't be bothered to check it all out anymore when underhand tactics and blatant lies like this are the chief weapon I would be fighting against. I don't want to spend a couple of days reading through all the evidence, highlight the inevitable whacking great holes, distortions and lies (like the above), then spend a further week getting you to apologise for, retract, or at least simply acknowledge your deliberate mistakes. Did you know when you asked how the FBI could have turned up at Ryder's the day after the assassination that in actual fact they did no such thing? It was two days after that. (As you well knew, because you used that date yourself in a further post!)). That is, after the anonymous calls made by Ryder to the media. But your 'mistake' just happens to strengthen your "suspicions", and hopefully others too. Shameful tactics... Bernie, If I said the SA Horton arrived at Ryder's house on 11/23, I obviously misspoke, as can be clearly seen by the correct date given in other parts of my posts. Here is how John Armstrong's article reads about that (emphasis added): It is worth repeating that Ryder told the WC that he did not mention the repair ticket to anyone that weekend (Nov 23/24). The next day, around 10:30 in the morning (Monday, 11/25/63), FBI Agent Emory Horton arrived at Dial Ryder's house in Irving. How and why would the FBI know to contact 25-year-old Ryder, at his home, instead of contacting Woody Greener, the owner of the shop? Warren Commission attorney Liebeler asked Ryder, "How did Horton know to come out to the sports shop?" Ryder replied, "Actually, I don't know.....I told him I had a ticket with the name Oswald, no date, no address, just for drilling and tapping and boresighting-no address, or name; he didn't say he'd like to see the ticket.....we went up to the Irving Sports Shop and I opened it up and got the ticket and showed him." While you are hard at work trying to show how my simple mistake, corrected numerous times by me, was “disingenuous” you make the following whopper when you write: “That is, after the anonymous calls made by Ryder to the media.” PLEASE SHOW ME YOUR EVIDENCE THAT RYDER MADE THE ANONYMOUS CALLS!!! He certainly swore otherwise during his testimony: Mr. LIEBELER. When did you first discover this tag? Mr. RYDER. Well, it's kind of funny, actually, how I found the tag. My workbench generally is cluttered up, you know how tools get scattered around and I was--I had been to the Evinrude Service School---- Mr. LIEBELER. Here in Dallas? Mr. RYDER. Yeah, at the Marriott over here and we were talking about it that evening and, of course, by the time I got back from the service clinic was just about time to close and we left and that Saturday afternoon I started cleaning off the workbench and I found the ticket of which I didn't say anything to anybody else there and when Mr. Horton came out on Monday, well, then I told him we had a tag. I didn't want to keep anything back but after he showed me the picture and everything I apparently drew my conclusions of not working on that particular gun anyway. . . . . Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever talk to the newspaper reporter about this? Mr. RYDER. There were several out here after the FBI had been out, and we told them the same thing that we told the FBI. Mr. LIEBELER. But you didn't talk to any newspaper reporter before the FBI came out here? Mr. RYDER. No. Mr. LIEBELER. You are quite sure about that? Mr. RYDER. I am positive about that. Mr. LIEBELER. It was your impression at the time the FBI came that they were making a routine check of all guns? Mr. RYDER. That is my opinion. That is the idea I had. Let's just review the basic here: In early November a gun-toting, car-driving “Lee Harvey Oswald” enters Edith Whitworth's furniture/ex gun shop looking for a “plunger” for his gun, but is sent instead to the shop where Dial Ryder works. On the day after the assassination, the same day Curry tells the world the FBI has located an order form in Hidell/Oswald's handwriting for a $12.78 rifle (the cost of a rifle from Kleins without a scope), Dial Ryder finds work ticket #18374 on his desk with “Oswald” and “drill and tap $4.50” and “bore sight $1.50” written on it. Ryder said he told no one about the ticket that weekend, but there are nevertheless at least two anonymous phone calls about it. The FBI shows up at Ryder's house Monday morning, and then meets him at the Irving Sports Shop. Several days later, the FBI announces that the actual cost of the rifle—with scope—was now $21.45, On June 19, 1964 Gordon Shanklin (SAC Dallas FBI office) writes a memo which includes these words: “Mr. Malley said they are trying to get away from the possibility that Oswald had actually had any work done in the work shop.” Get away indeed! Now that the Official Story was that the rifle was purchased from Kleins with a scope, the Ryder incident had to be debunked. Otherwise, it might look like someone was trying to frame “Lee Harvey Oswald.” Of course, some people don't find this story suspicious at all… pointing to just “minor anomalies!” The real suspicions lead them to… John Armstrong and me and our “shameful tactics!" What a tired old game they play.

"Lee Harvey Oswald" was the man who could--and couldn't--drive! CLICK HERE for John's write-up on this contradiction.

. Whoa, DJ... please slow down!! Let's shut down the warp drive engines and savor the deliciousness of your point for a moment. So here's what the earthlings are up to in Irving and Dallas in the situation you describe…. Early in November 1963, Edith Whitworth is sitting in her Irving furniture store (a former gun shop with a gun sign still in front) with her friend Gertrude Hunter. A man walks in who she and Mrs. Hunter later say was “Lee Harvey Oswald” carrying an object wrapped in brown paper that appears to be part of a gun. “Oswald” is also with a woman who, as DJ points out, probably wasn't Marina. This “Oswald” says he needs a gun part, which Whitworth remembers as a “plunger.” Mrs. Whitworth tells “Oswald” that her shop no longer has a gun department, but directs him to the nearby Irving Sports Shop [where Dial Ryder just happens to be an employee.] She also noted that Oswald drove an automobile. The story by Whitworth and Hunter was a double whammy for the Warren Commission and the FBI. Not only did it give credence to the Dial Ryder saga, which the investigators now desperately needed to bury, but it also provided yet more evidence that there was a “Lee Harvey Oswald” active in Dallas before the assassination who regularly drove a blue, two-toned 1957 or 1958 Chevy. [Classic LHO didn't have a drivers license and didn't drive.] This description of “Oswald” driving a 2-tone blue Ford exactly matched the description barber (and Irving town council member) Cliff Shasteen gave of the car “Oswald” drove to his barber shop on a half dozen or more occasions. Here's how John Armstrong concluded his write-up on this matter in Harvey and Lee. The problem for the FBI and Warren Commission was not only the issue of a repair tag, but the allegation that Oswald drove to the Irving Sports shop in the middle of the week. This was yet another indication that someone was impersonating Oswald. The FBI, aware that Oswald could not be in two places at the same time, looked for ways to deal with the problem. On June 19, 1964 SAC Gordon Shanklin (Dallas FBI office) wrote a memo which stated: "Inspector J. R. Malley noted, 'they (Whitworth and Hunter) are the only two who have placed Oswald with going to the gun shop where the tag shows up in Oswald's name.' Mr Malley said they are trying to get away from the possibility that Oswald had actually had any work done in the work shop.'' --Harvey and Lee, pp. 755 Megathanks, David, for bringing this up!!!!

Since the Dial Ryder incident has taken up much of the debate here, it might be more interesting than arguing on and on with Bernie to post the actual Ryder write-up from John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee. Here 'tis, from two separate sections of the book…. Dial Duwayne Ryder The Italian rifle found by Dallas Police was equipped with a 4-power Japanese scope, yet the FBI announced on Saturday that Oswald had purchased a rifle from Klein's with- out a scope. During the following week, the media continued to report that Oswald paid $12.78 for the rifle, while a gunsmith in nearby Irving, Texas came forward and an- nounced that he may have mounted a scope on Oswald's rifle. On Saturday (November 23), 25-year-old gunsmith Dial Duwayne Ryder alleg- edly found repair tag #18374 for a customer named "Oswald" on his workbench..73 The undated repair tag, written in pencil, read "drill and tap $4.50" and "bore sight $1.50" but contained no additional information. 74 NOTE: Ryder told the Warren Commission it was not possible to date the repair tag, because the tags were not kept or used in sequential order. Ryder said, " .... .It (the work on the rifle) was done sometime between the 1st and 15th of November. .... Because the work was done while the Greeners or the Woody Francis Greeners, the owners of the sport shop, were on vacation. "75 In other words, there were no witnesses to corroborate Ryder's story of finding the repair tag. On Sunday, November 24, Mr. Ray Johns of channel 8 news received an anony- mous telephone call. The caller said that Oswald had his rifle sighted in on November 21 at a gunshop located at 111 or 212 Irving Boulevard. Johns then telephoned Detec- tive Fay M. Turner at Dallas Police Headquarters and told him about the telephone call he had received from the anonymous caller. This was the second call Detective Turner received concerning the alleged assassination rifle: 1) a caller said the rifle came from Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago 2) a caller said a man named "Oswald" had his rifle sighted at a gunshop on Irv- ing Boulevard in Irving. Turner checked the criss-cross directory and the phone book before he located the Irving Sports Shop at 221 East Irving Blvd. in Irving. He contacted Woody Greener, the owner of the shop, and asked if he would check his files and records for the name "Oswald" and call him back if he found out anything.76 On Monday, November 25, the Dallas Morning News published an article titled "Mail Order Firm Tells Data on 6.5 MM Rifle." The article stated, "The FBI an- nounced Saturday (November 23) that the 6.5 mm Italian military rifle had been pur- chased by 'A. Hidell' for $12.78 and delivered to a Dallas post office box." 7763-36 NOTE: The FBI allegedly learned from the microfilm that Klein's shipped a rifle to "A. Hidell" at PO Box 2915 in Dallas. But the Klein's order form clearly showed that he paid $21.45 for the rifle, scope, and postage-NOT $12.78. 63-35 If the FBI had actually found "A. Hidell's" order on the Klein's microfilm they would have made such a stupid mistake. That morning FBI Agent Emory Horton arrived at Dial Ryder's house in Irv- ing at 10:30 am. Commission attorney Liebeler asked, "How did Horton know to come out to the sports shop?" Ryder replied, "Actually, I don't know .... .I told him I had a ticket with the name Oswald, no date, no address, just for drilling and tapping and boresighting--no address, or name; he didn't say he'd like to see the ticket ..... we went up to the Irving Sports Shop and I opened it up and got the ticket and showed him."78 Liebeler asked, "Did you give the tag to Mr. Horton?" Ryder replied, "No; he told us to hold on to it, keep it and they would probably get it later on and they did."79 Ryder told agent Horton there was no record of selling mounts for the scope and this indicated to him that the customer (allegedly Oswald) brought the scope and mounts with his gun. Ryder said the only work he would have performed was the labor to drill, tap, and bore sight the rifle. When shown a photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald, Ryder said that he associated Oswald's picture with that of an individual who brought in an Argentine made rifle about two weeks ago and had a scope attached to the gun.80 But Ryder explained that an Ar- gentine rifle has a different bolt assembly than did the gun found on the 6th floor of the TSBD. The FBI neither asked Ryder for the name and address of the man who brought in the Argentine rifle, nor did they review the shop's repair tickets, nor did they make any attempt to learn if the individual ever existed. NOTE: The owner of the Irving Sports Shop, Mr. Charles W Greene, telephoned all of the Oswalds listed in the Dallas and Irving telephone directories in an attempt to locate the "Oswald" listed on repair ticket 18374, but was unsuccessful. 81 On Thursday, November 28 (Thanksgiving day), Dallas Times-Herald reporter Hunter Schmidt Jr. received a tip that a man named "Ryder" had mounted a gunsight for Oswald. Warren Commission attorney Liebeler asked Hunter, "Where did you get Ryder's name in the first place; do you know? Hunter replied, "We heard of it, I think it was around the police station somewhere. I don't remember where that exact tip came from. We heard that a gunsight had been mounted by a man named Ryder and they thought at first it was Garland.82 One of our boys covering this angle of the assassina- tion called in from down there that a Ryder was supposed to have mounted a scope on a rifle for a customer named Oswald, so I started checking from there, and like I said yesterday, I thought at first it was Garland and I had to do it by a process of elimina- tion."83 Hunter said that he spoke with Dial Ryder by telephone at his home in Irving, Texas on November 28 at approximately 7:30 am for 15 minutes. Hunter claimed that Ryder gave him the information that subsequently appeared in the Dallas Times-Her- ald article. Warren Commission attorney Liebeler asked Dial Ryder, "Do you recall being interviewed by a reporter from a Dallas newspaper?" Ryder replied, "... early that morning (Thanksgiving day) the telephone rang--I would say roughly 7:30 or 8, some- thing like that--and I answered the phone and a guy introduced himself and I told him I didn't have any comment and hung up ..... and later on that day, CBS television came out and they were wanting a blownup deal on it to put on television ..... The CBS boys said that they got it off of the Associated Press wires or over the AP. "84 NOTE: News reporter Hunter Schmidt insisted that he spoke with Dial Ryder at 7:30 am on Thanksgiving morning. Dial Ryder insisted that he declined to comment and hung up the phone at 7:30am, and then took the phone off the hook for the rest of the morn- mg. Someone was lying, but the Warren Commission did not appear too eager to resolve the matter. Both men agreed to take a polygraph test to settle the matter, but the Commission never arranged for the tests. Thanksgiving evening a front-page story appeared in Dallas Times-Herald titled "Oswald Gun Sight Mounted in Irving." The article stated, "An Irving gunsmith Thursday told the Times-Herald he mounted and adjusted a telescopic sight for a cus- tomer investigators believe was Lee Harvey Oswald. Gunsmith Dial D. Ryder of 2028 Harvard in Irving said he attached the telescope and "bore-sighted" a foreign-made rifle for a customer named Oswald about a month ago." Warren Commission Attorney Liebeler told Dial Ryder, "The FBI has at- tempted to find every Oswald in the whole Dallas and Fort Worth area and the surround- ing area and it has found many of them and it has questioned all of them, some of whom have moved out of Dallas and Fort Worth, as to whether or not they ever had any work done in that guns hop, and you should know that none of them ever did, and you should also know, and I think you probably do by now, that Lee Oswald could not have had any scope mounted on the rifle that he used to assassinate the President in your shop, and in fact, I don't think you claim you did mount that particular scope?" Ryder said, "On this Italian rifle--I never worked on them. I seen them but as far as doing any physical work, I haven't done none even to this date, I haven't worked on any of them .... l am positive on that, very positive." [Above from Harvey and Lee, pp. 458-460] [below from Harvey and Lee, pp. 753-755] Irving Sports Shop The Irving Sports Shop at 221 East Irving Boulevard was owned by Charles Woodrow Greener, a gun enthusiast, hunter, and sportsman. Twenty-five-year-old Dial Duwayne Ryder worked for Greener for six years and by 1963 held the position of Service Manager. The day after the assassination (Saturday, November 23) Ryder began cleaning off his workbench prior to closing and found repair tag #18374. The undated tag indi- cated that Ryder did work on a rifle for a customer named "Oswald." The tag read, "drill and tap $4.50 ..... bore sight $1.50," but contained no additional information an- was written in pencil. 60 The following day Mr. Ray Johns of channel 8 news received an anonymous telephone call from a man who said that Oswald had his rifle sighted-in on Thursday, November 21, at a gun shop at 111 or 212 Irving Boulevard. Johns relayed the informa- tion to Detective Fay M. Turner at Dallas Police Headquarters. NOTE: Within 48 hours of the assassination Turner received tips from two anonymous sources about the assassination rifle: 1) it came from Klein s Sporting Goods in Chicago and 2) a man named "Oswald" had his rifle sighted at a gun shop in on Irving Boule- vard in Irving, Texas. Turner checked the phone directory and located the Irving Sports Shop at 221 East Irving Blvd. He then contacted Woody Greener and asked him to check his files and records for the name "Oswald" and call him back if he found out anything.61 On November 25 (Monday) FBI Agent Emory Horton arrived at Dial Ryder's house in Irving at 10:30 am. Ryder told the Warren Commission that he did not tell Horton about the repair ticket until after Horton arrived at his house. Ryder said, "Oh, I told him I had a ticket with the name Oswald, no date, no address, just for drilling and tapping and boresighting-no address, or name; he didn't say he'd like to see the ticket ..... " Ryder explained, "We went up to the Irving Sports Shop and I opened it up and got the ticket and showed him."62 Ryder told SA Horton there was no record of a sale of scope mounts to the customer. Therefore, this customer must have furnished both the scope and the mounts while Ryder performed the labor to drill, tap, and bore sight the gun. But Ryder told Horton he had no recollection of installing a side mounted scope (a very unusual way to mount a scope) on the type of gun used to assassinate President Kennedy. Ryder told the Warren Commission, "On this Italian rifle-I never worked on them. I seen them but as far as doing any physical work, I haven't done none even to this date, I haven't worked on any of them.... l am positive on that, very positive." SA Horton showed Ryder a photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald, who said that he associated Oswald's picture with that of an individual who brought in an Argentine- made rifle about two weeks earlier. Ryder attached a scope on the rifle but said the Argentine rifle had a different bolt assembly than the gun used to assassinate President Kennedy. 63The FBI failed to ask Ryder for the mans name and address, failed to review repair tickets, and made no attempt to locate the man or the Argentine rifle. Commission attorney Wesley Liebeler asked, "How did Horton know to come out to the sports shop?" Ryder replied, "Actually, I don't know." Liebeler asked, "Did you give the tag to Mr. Horton?" Ryder replied, "No; he told us to hold on to it, keep it and they would probably get it later on and they did."64 Liebeler asked Ryder if it was possible to date the repair tag. Ryder said the repair tags were not kept or used in sequential order so the number on the tag was useless in determining the date. Ryder explained, "Mr. Greener keeps a pretty good watch on my work to make sure I'm getting it out on time and he will check fairly close every day, every other day, and check to make sure I'm getting the work out, that old work isn't laying there to be done. He's pretty sharp on remembering names and he would have remembered that quite surely." Ryder later said, " .... .it (the work on the rifle) was done sometime between the 1st and 15th of November ..... Because the work was done while the Greeners or the Woody Francis Greeners, the owners of the sport shop, were on vacation. "65 On the morning of November 28 (Thursday--Thanksgiving Day) Dallas Times- Herald reporter Hunter Schmidt, Jr. received a tip that a man named "Ryder" had mounted a gunsight on a rifle for Oswald. Hunter was asked by Liebeler, "Where did you get Ryder's name in the first place; do you know? Hunter replied, "We heard of it, I think it was around the police station somewhere. I don't remember where that exact tip came from. We heard that a gunsight had been mounted by a man named Ryder, and they thought at first it was Garland.66 One of our boys covering this angle of the assassination called in from down there that a Ryder was supposed to have mounted a scope on a rifle for a customer named Oswald, so I started checking from there, and like I said yesterday, I thought at first it was Garland and I had to do it by a process of elimination. "67 Schmidt claimed that he telephoned Dial Ryder at his home in Irving at 7:30 am (Thanksgiving morning) and spoke with him for 15 minutes. Hunter claimed that Ryder provided him with the information that appeared in the newspaper article on November 28, 1963 in the Dallas Times-Herald. NOTE: If Hunter Schmidt received a "tip" from someone at the Police Station, it had to have been well before 7:30am. Hunter needed time to telephone and locate a "Ryder" through the telephone directories prior to calling him. Liebeler asked Dial Ryder, "Do you recall being interviewed by a reporter from a Dallas newspaper?" Ryder replied, " ..... early that morning (Thanksgiving Day) the telephone rang-I would say roughly 7:30 or 8, something like that--and I answered the phone and a guy introduced himself and I told him I didn't have any comment and hung up ..... and later on that day, CBS television came out and they were wanting a blown up deal on it to put on television ..... The CBS boys said that they got it off of the Associated Press wires or over the AP."68 NOTE: Hunter Schmidt said that he spoke with Dial Ryder on the telephone at 7:30 am on Thanksgiving morning. Ryder insisted that he said nothing to Schmidt and hung up the phone at 7:30 am. Ryder said that he subsequently took the phone off the hook for the rest of the morning. Someone was lying, but the Warren Commission did not appear too eager to resolve the matter. Both men agreed to take a polygraph test to settle the matter, but the Commission never arranged for the tests. If CBS got information from the Associated Press about Dial Ryder, then the question is where did the Associated Press get the information? On Thursday afternoon (Thanksgiving Day) Dallas Detective Fay Turner spoke with Woody Greener about the repair tag. Turner said, "The best they (Greener & 754 Ryder) could figure out, his-this work probably came in around November the 4th or November the 8th of 1963."69November 8 was a day or two after Oswald visited the Furni- ture Mart in Irving looking for rifle parts. On Thursday evening (Thanksgiving Day) a front-page story appeared in the Dallas Times Herald titled, "Oswald Gun Sight Mounted in Irving." The article stated, "An Irving gunsmith Thursday told the Times-Herald he mounted and adjusted a telescopic sight for a customer investigators believe was Lee Harvey Oswald. Gun- smith Dial D. Ryder of 2028 Harvard in Irving said he attached the telescope and 'bore sighted' a foreign-made rifle for a customer named Oswald about a month ago." On November 28 CBS News finally interviewed Dial Ryder: Q: "You have attached a lot of scopes, telescopic sights recently. How would you mount a scope on a gun like that?" Ryder: "Well, actually there is really one way to mount it on there. It would be with a side mount, and I don't recall putting a side mount on any bolt action that I've worked on." Q: "You were shown pictures by the FBI of the gun they found?" Ryder: "Yes, sir." Q: "And that was a side-mounted telescopic sight?" Ryder: "It sure was." Q: "And you don't remember mounting any side mounts?" Ryder: "No, sir, I sure don't. Not on special or a bolt-action gun, I don't."70 On December 1 Secret Service agent Elmer W. Moore telephoned Dial Ryder at his home. Ryder told Moore the newspaper story as reported was in error and that he was satisfied that he had not done any work for Lee Harvey Oswald. He also said that he examined a Carcano 6.5 mm rifle the day before and was certain that he never, at any time, did any work on such a rifle. Ryder told agent Moore that on Friday (November 29) he was interviewed by a woman who said she was from the W hite House Press. She told Ryder that the rifle used by Oswald was sold by Klein's Sporting Goods of Chicago, with a scope already mounted.71 After the media was told that the rifle ordered by Oswald from Klein's Sporting Goods came with a 4-power scope already attached, the importance of Dial Ryder's story faded. NOTE: Following the assassination the owner of the Irving Sports Shop, Mr. Charles W Greener, telephoned all of the Oswalds listed in the Dallas and Irving directories in an attempt to locate the "Oswald" listrd on repair ticket 18374, but was unsuccessful.72 Commission Attorney Liebeler told Ryder, "The FBI has attempted to find every Oswald in the whole Dallas and Fort Worth area and the surrounding area and it has found many of them and it has questioned all of them, some of whom have moved out of Dallas and Fort Worth, as to whether or not they ever had any work done in that gun shop, and you should know that none of them ever did, and you should also know, and I think you probably do by now, that Lee Oswald could not have had any scope mounted on the rifle that he used to assassinate the President in your shop, and in fact, I don't think you claim you did mount that particular scope?" Summary of the repair tag An undated repair tag was found at the Irving Sports Shop the day after the assassination and was published in the Warren Volumes (Greener Ex. No 1). The re- pair tag was apparently written by Dial Ryder and shows that a scope was mounted and a rifle bore-sighted for a customer named Oswald. There is no doubt that one or more anonymous callers led the Dallas Police, FBI, and the press to Dial Ryder and the Irving Sports Shop. The unanswered questions are: Was a rifle brought the rifle to the Irving Sports Shop and if so by whom? W ho notified the Dallas Police, FBI, and the AP that work had been done on Oswald's rifle at the Irving Sports Shop? The problem for the FBI and Warren Commission was not only the issue of a repair tag, but the allegation that Oswald drove to the Irving Sports shop in the middle of the week. This was yet another indication that someone was impersonating Oswald. The FBI, aware that Oswald could not be in two places at the same time, looked for ways to deal with the problem. On June 19, 1964 SAC Gordon Shanklin (Dallas FBI office) wrote a memo which stated: "Inspector J. R. Malley noted, 'they (Whitworth and Hunter) are the only two who have placed Oswald with going to the gun shop where the tag shows up in Oswald's name.' Mr Malley said they are trying to get away from the possibility that Oswald had actually had any work done in the work shop.'' --Harvey and Lee, pp. 753-755 Posted with permission of John Armstrong

For Bernie.... [My comments in red.] "The unanswered question is who, if someone other than Dial Ryder, created the tag on Ryder's workbench and who, if someone other than Dial Ryder, notified the Dallas Police, the FBI, and the press." But Ryder admitted that he was the one who wrote the tag. He confirmed that it was his writing. There is no "someone other" involved. We know he wrote the tag so he must have been the first person to have this information, obviously. He then admitted telling his wife before informing anyone else. But the point is we don't know whether to believe some, none, or all of Ryder's story. My SUSPICION is that someone planning to incriminate Oswald put Ryder up to this whole thing, including working out the wording on the tag, and then made anonymous phone calls to get the whole Irving Sports Shop saga rolling. Six days after the assassination, when it was announced that the price of the rifle dramatically increased from $12.78 to $21.45, an added scope was no longer needed, and Ryder started backtracking. (The fact that Curry indicated right after the assassination that the order--in Oswald's handwriting!!--for the $12.78 rifle included a scope would hardly fool anyone familiar with Klein's actual pricing.) "three or more anonymous callers notified police that the scope on Oswald's rifle had been mounted at the Irving Sports Shop." I could be wrong but I believed there was just the one call, a woman, so if you could show citations for that I'd appreciate it. Also I don't think that the shop was first mentioned, it was a vague location that contained several gun shops. From John's write-up: “...an anonymous male caller telephonically advised the FBI that he learned from an unidentified sack boy at Wyatt's Supermarket, in Irving, TX., that Oswald had his rifle "sighted in" at the Irving Sports Shop. That same day DPD Det. Turner received a call from Mr. Ray Johns of channel 8 news. Mr. Johns told Turner that he had just received an anonymous call from a person who said that Oswald had his rifle "sighted in" on November 21 at a gunshop located at 111 or 212 Irving Boulevard.” I'll change the summary paragraph to say “two or more.” Thanks! "Your post seem to suggest that everything has been explained about this incident, but I don't think that is the case." See, this is where we all go round the mulberry bush again isn't it? We don't know the FULL story so any tiny doubts or miniscule anomalies can then be construed in any manner we wish to fit whatever pre-ordained conclusion we have drawn. I don't believe that the FBI (or any other sinister parties) had any prior knowledge of that tag: a tag for a gun that Oswald didn't use 'brought in' by someone who looked nothing like Oswald! “Miniscule anomalies” such as at least two anonymous calls indicating Oswald had his rifle scope mounted at the Irving Sport Shop/the shop at 111 or 212 Irving Blvd??? Sure sounds like a setup to me. For what it's worth, Ryder said he told no one about the ticket the whole weekend. From John's write-up: “That morning (11/23/63), only a couple of hours after Ryder arrived at the Sports Shop, FBI Agent Emory Horton arrived at Dial Ryder's house in Irving (circa 10:30 AM). Warren Commission attorney Liebeler asked Ryder, 'How did Horton know to come out to the sports shop?' Ryder replied, 'Actually, I don't know....'” As prescient as the FBI might have been arriving at Ryder's home, isn't it remarkable that, at least according to Ryder, agents didn't bother to even collect the work ticket in question until a couple of weeks before Ryder testified at the Warren Commission? Yet another “miniscule anomaly” is the timing of the whole affair. When publicly verifiable information from the FBI indicates the rifle cost $12.78 (the price of a rifle from Kleins without a scope) Dial Ryder is pretty sure he helped Oswald with the scope; when the publicly verifiable information from the FBI is changed to indicate the rifle cost a total of $21.45 (the total shipped price of a rifle with scope from Kleins) Ryder is pretty sure he didn't help Oswald with the scope, at least on the Italian rifle. These are hardly miniscule anomalies. Let's assume it WAS the assassination weapon. Well then we'd have a story; and one that would have been part of the 'known' narrative. Conversely, let's suppose it wasn't Oswald's gun but it was brought in by someone identical to him. Likewise we have a mysterious story of someone possibly impersonating him. But you have neither! Ryder has neither! The fact that you portrayed the tag as being "found" using inverted commas, strongly implies that you think there is another more sinister explanation. But you don't say what. I've also noticed that neither you or John have mentioned Harvey or Lee in this story, but refer to him as LHO. Whilst I find this as a progressive move I can't help feeling it is merely a tactical innovation. This portion of the article, at least, alludes to (by a nod and a wink and without mentioning names) the narrative the originators have spent huge parts of their lives promoting. I dunno. It often seems to me that people on forums like this have far more time to devote to this stuff than I do, but at any rate, there you go again, gently mocking the “Harvey and Lee” scenario and then complaining that I've gone off topic when I offer facts to back it up. But since you again bring it up…. People interested in finding out for themselves about “Harvey and Lee” can get it straight from the source at this address: HarveyandLee.net And finally... "Remember that for nearly a week after the assassination, news media widely reported that the the FBI had analysed the handwriting on the order form for a $12.78 rifle, with scope, and determined it to be "Lee Harvey Oswald's."" But this has nothing to do with the tag we are talking about! This refers to the order made to Kleins. Why would you mention handwriting recognition on a document we are not discussing to make your point? Ryder wrote the tag. It's his writing and he admitted to it! The fact that the FBI assumed it was LHO's handwriting on another document is another story... but it does serve as a nice distraction from the main point. But rather than a distraction, the $12.78 vs. $21.45 rifle may well have EVERYTHING to do with the Dial Ryder story, as explained above, unless, of course, you believe we're looking at only "miniscule anomalies" here. Interesting discussion, Bernie.

Bernie, It's not so much a devotion to H&L as it is a reading of the evidence, which amounts to hundreds (maybe even thousands) of little details. As just one little example from HarveyandLee.net.... LEE OSWALD: two scars from a gunshot wound On October 27, 1957 Richard Cyr was standing about 15 yards from his barracks in Atsugi, Japan and heard a gunshot. Cyr and other marines ran into the building and found (LEE) Oswald sitting on his locker with a nickel-plated .22 derringer laying nearby on the floor. (LEE) Oswald said, "It seems as though I've shot myself." Oswald was taken to the sick bay for treatment and then taken to the U.S. Navy Hospital in nearby Yokosuku. A Navy surgeon closed the wound with stitches and allowed the .22 slug, which lay just below the surface on the back side of Oswald's upper left arm, to remain in his arm. A week later, on November 4, Dr. Greenlees made an incision on the back side of Oswald's arm, removed the .22 caliber slug, and closed the wound with stitches which were removed 10 days later. LEE Oswald had two incisions and now had two scars. After (HARVEY) Oswald was killed by Jack Ruby on November 24, 1963, an autopsy was performed by Dr. Earl Rose of Dallas. Dr. Rose listed and described numerous small scars on Oswald's body, including "a pale, white, oblique 1/4 inch scar." But nowhere, in the lengthly and precise autopsy report, did Dr. Rose observe or report any scars on Oswald's left arm. Photographs were taken of Oswalds arms, but show no scars from a bullet wound. After the autopsy, (HARVEY) Oswald was taken to the funeral home where he was embalmed and prepared for burial by mortician Paul Groody. Groody was subsequently interviewed by the Secret Service and asked if there were any scars on Oswald's arms and he (Groody) repeatedly said there were no scars on Oswald's upper left arm. Can you explain why two scars from a six-year-old gunshot wound would be missed by both Rose and Groody? Also, I read the page from the Mary Ferrell site about Ryder, but didn't see where the FBI claimed the ticket was from a different Oswald. Does that claim exist? If it does, I'll try to remember to bring it to JA's attention. Jim I have no intention of going into teeth, gunshot wounds or tonsils... We've done that. I am responding to this particular issue you posted linking John's new article. Let's, for once, just stick to one thing at a time eh? I never said that the "FBI claimed the ticket was from a different Oswald"...I'm simply claiming that it is no "mystery" as to how the FBI got to know of this tag written by Ryder in the first place. Your introduction to the article says it is. It is YOU who is implying that it was possibly a different Oswald and that the FBI had prior knowledge of this event. They didn't. They were informed by an employee of WFAA-TV who passed on the anonymous tip to the DPD. No mystery at all. Why spoil a really good article by falsely implying a mystery when basic research shows there to be none. Because 'mystery' is the oil that keeps the whole H&L on the road. Without it there is no H&L. Ah... Bernie... you introduced the two Oswalds by saying above that John and I are "devoted to the "H&L theory." I was just pointing out why. Why bring it up if you don't care to discuss it? Back on topic, I have never implied that the ticket was placed in Ryder's shop by an Oswald or anyone else. I have no idea how it got there. Here's what John Armstrong wrote about it: There is little doubt that Dial Ryder had an undated repair tag on November 23. There is no doubt the repair tag was intended to show the Irving Sports Shop mounted a scope on Oswald's $12.78 rifle. There is no question that one or more anonymous callers led the Dallas Police, FBI, and the press to the Irving Sports Shop. The unanswered ques­tion is who, if someone other than Dial Ryder, created the tag on Ryder's workbench and who, if someone other than Dial Ryder, notified the Dallas Police, the FBI, and the press. SUMMATION: The same day the FBI announced that Oswald purchased a mail-order rifle for $12.78 (without a scope), Ryder "found" an undated repair tag and three or more anonymous callers notified police that the scope on Oswald's rifle had been mounted at the Irving Sports Shop. Ryder told FBI Agent Horton and news reporters that he may have mounted the scope on Oswald's rifle. Six days later (11/29/63), after the FBI announced that Oswald purchased a rifle with a scope already mounted for $19.95, Ryder told the FBI and the Secret Service that he was sure that he had NOT mounted the scope. Whatever the truth surrounding the repair ticket, Ryder's admis­sion places him at the center of the controversy surrounding a $12.78 rifle, without a scope, allegedly purchased from Klein's. Your post seem to suggest that everything has been explained about this incident, but I don't think that is the case. John also wrote this: The owner of the Irving Sports Shop, Mr. Charles W. Greene, telephoned all of the Oswalds listed in the Dallas and Irving telephone directories in an attempt to locate the "Oswald" listed on repair ticket 18374, but was unsuccessful. Warren Commission Attorney Liebeler told Dial Ryder, "The FBI has at­tempted to find every Oswald in the whole Dallas and Fort Worth area and the surround­ing area and it has found many of them and it has questioned all of them, some of whom have moved out of Dallas and Fort Worth, as to whether or not they ever had any work done in that gunshop, and you should know that none of them ever did." Remember that for nearly a week after the assassination, news media widely reported that the the FBI had analysed the handwriting on the order form for a $12.78 rifle, with scope, and determined it to be "Lee Harvey Oswald's."

Bernie, It's not so much a devotion to H&L as it is a reading of the evidence, which amounts to hundreds (maybe even thousands) of little details. As just one little example from HarveyandLee.net.... LEE OSWALD: two scars from a gunshot wound On October 27, 1957 Richard Cyr was standing about 15 yards from his barracks in Atsugi, Japan and heard a gunshot. Cyr and other marines ran into the building and found (LEE) Oswald sitting on his locker with a nickel-plated .22 derringer laying nearby on the floor. (LEE) Oswald said, "It seems as though I've shot myself." Oswald was taken to the sick bay for treatment and then taken to the U.S. Navy Hospital in nearby Yokosuku. A Navy surgeon closed the wound with stitches and allowed the .22 slug, which lay just below the surface on the back side of Oswald's upper left arm, to remain in his arm. A week later, on November 4, Dr. Greenlees made an incision on the back side of Oswald's arm, removed the .22 caliber slug, and closed the wound with stitches which were removed 10 days later. LEE Oswald had two incisions and now had two scars. After (HARVEY) Oswald was killed by Jack Ruby on November 24, 1963, an autopsy was performed by Dr. Earl Rose of Dallas. Dr. Rose listed and described numerous small scars on Oswald's body, including "a pale, white, oblique 1/4 inch scar." But nowhere, in the lengthly and precise autopsy report, did Dr. Rose observe or report any scars on Oswald's left arm. Photographs were taken of Oswalds arms, but show no scars from a bullet wound. After the autopsy, (HARVEY) Oswald was taken to the funeral home where he was embalmed and prepared for burial by mortician Paul Groody. Groody was subsequently interviewed by the Secret Service and asked if there were any scars on Oswald's arms and he (Groody) repeatedly said there were no scars on Oswald's upper left arm. Can you explain why two scars from a six-year-old gunshot wound would be missed by both Rose and Groody? Also, I read the page from the Mary Ferrell site about Ryder, but didn't see where the FBI claimed the ticket was from a different Oswald. Does that claim exist? If it does, I'll try to remember to bring it to JA's attention.

Hoover MAY not have had foreknowledge of the assassination, but he sure as hell had known for years about what CIA accountant James Wilcott called "the Oswald Project." It speaks volumes that Hoover had FBI agents confiscating "Lee Harvey Oswald's" elementary school records and teen-aged employment records within hours of the assassination of JFK, yet took no verifiable steps to determine whether others were involved in the hit or whether other government officials were targets. Compare this behavior to what happened after Lincoln's assassination. As to the number of documents created and backdated by the FBI... this is really interesting. My guess is that this sort of thing is standard operating procedure for all sorts law enforcement agencies, here and abroad. If true, this is the sort of information that has to be quashed by the State at any cost whatsoever.

Somebody left a Mannlicher-carano rifle on the sixth floor, but the bulk of this stuff was surely part of the cover-up and not the original assassination plan. The original plan, I think, was to provoke an invasion of Cuba by tying the murder weapon to Fidel Castro. Remember the secret HSCA testimony of Castro's friend and weapon supplier Robert McKeown (who refused to testify until granted full immunity). McKeown said that on Labor Day weekend in 1963 a guy who introduced himself as “Lee Oswald” offered to pay as much as $10,000 for four .300 Savage rifles with scopes. At the time, McKeown was on parole on federal charges of Cuban gunrunning, and he smelled a rat when offered an absurd amount of money for the guns, and he immediately declined the numerous offers from “Oswald.” But the conspirators' plan was surely to associate a weapon from Fidel Castro's personal friend and gunrunner with the murder of JFK. When that plan was thwarted, they had to improvise, and it shows. The Magic Rifle (that shot Magic Bullets) and that was paid for with a Magic Money Order, was probably weakest element of an otherwise brilliant plan. As for the rapidity of the cover-up, bear in mind that the FBI's publicly verifiable announcements indicate that, after announcing within hours of the hit that the handwriting on the Kleins' order form was that of “Lee Harvey Oswald,” the FBI had not determined the price of the rifle until nearly a week later. Kleins was, at the time, the largest source for mail order rifles in the nation. It seems pretty clear that J. Edgar Hoover made his announcement of Oswald's guilt immediately, and then cooked up and backdated the docs to support the proclamation in the days that followed.

In a new write-up just completed today, JA shows how evidence for the mail order rifle was clearly fabricated. Highlights include: * Records indicating Oswald never left Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall the morning of 3/12/63 to travel several miles to buy and mail the magic Postal money order that was never endorsed or date stamped by a bank or other financial institution. * Proof that the FBI for nearly a week (after allegedly analyzing the Oswald/Hidell handwriting on a Klein's order form) couldn't decide whether the gun cost $21.95, $12.78, or $21.45. * Proof that the FBI fabricated and often backdated numerous reports and other “evidence” about the alleged payment for the weapon that allegedly killed JFK. Original Klein's microfilm and the original postal money order disappeared while in FBI custody. * Real evidence that Dallas postal inspector/FBI informant Harry Holmes was intimately involved in fabricating evidence for the mail order rifle. CLICK HERE to read John's new write-up: http://www.harveyandlee.net/Mail_Order_Rifle/Mail_Order_Rifle.html

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Thank you again, Bob, for all those wonderful ballistics reports! Geez, they were WELL DONE! How wonderful it is that we've OUTLIVED those A-Holes! Their lies are ALL coming undone.... eh?

This is crucial and hotly debated background information for an upcoming new writeup by John Armstrong on the rifle that allegedly killed JFK, which should be completed and online in a few weeks. CLICK HERE

It's probably always a mistake to believe a government--or any institution--can honestly investigate itself. A lot of documents were declassified while the ARRB existed, probably helped as much by the end of the Cold War as the Board itself, which was their Congressional mandate. Despite that, they sure didn't seem to want to explore more fully the points that Tanenbaum made. I'd love to hear what other forum members think about the pages from Portrait of the Assassin and Tanenbaum's testimony, or, for that matter, FBI malfeasance in general, but most here seem more interested in personal matters and other things.

Don't know if it's common knowledge, Sandy. I'm doing my best to make it so (see the last line below in my post--though apparently only registered Education Forum members can see it). IMO, the Assassination Records Review Board did everything in its power to diminish Mr. Tanenbaum's testimony, starting with misspelling his name in the title of the amateurish transcript of his testimony. According to that transcript, the first words out of Mr. Tanenbaum's mouth were: Good morning. You look at me in stunned silence. I'm here at the request of you to answer questions. And so it goes....

Sure sounds possible to me. Ford mentioned Oswald and the CIA on page one of chapter one in Portrait of the Assassin, but he simply paraphrased Marguerite Oswald's statements that “her son must have been tied in with the CIA or the State Department.” (Marguerite's real role, John Armstrong suspects, was that of a flycatcher—someone to attract to U.S. intelligence people with inside knowledge of the Oswald Project so they could be identified and … dealt with.) President Ford said that information from the WC secret meeting indicated Oswald began receiving $200/month from the FBI in September, 1962. Remember, though, that HSCA counsel Robert Tannenbaum in 1996 told the ARRB that he had read a transcript of the secret Warren Commission meeting with top Texas officials, and that they were the “unimpeachable sources” that “Lee Harvey Oswald was a contract employee of the CIA and the FBI.”. September 1962 may have been the time LHO started receiving payment from the FBI, but my guess is that the starting date was more like the summer of 1963. That's when LHO was hanging out in New Orleans with all sorts of rabid anti-communists pretending to be a Castro-loving leftist. That's when he was arrested in a fake fight handing out FPCC literature, and that's when someone like the CIA's Clay Shaw might have handed our boy off to someone like the FBI's Guy Bannister (former FBI SAIC Chicago who was in frequent contact for Hoover). If something like this actually occurred, it may be one of the earliest activities in the actual plot to assassinate JFK. It may have been a deliberate effort by some Agency personnel or operatives to move the patsy-to-be from a low-level intelligence asset to a low-level FBI informer, which would soon force Hoover into every stage of denial imaginable and all at once. If so, it worked like a charm!

That's really interesting, Harry. Were all or most of the other officers and/or members of the FPCC Chicago chapter also agents of the U.S. government? Sure seems like it was that way in New Orleans. Someone once joked that author Norman Mailer was the only genuine member of FPCC. Does you experience with the Bureau or the Chicago FPCC shed any light on the New Orleans angle with Oswald. Don't know if you have been following more recent news about the FBI, but .... "Pseudoscience in the Witness Box: The FBI faked an entire field of forensic science," is the headline from the April 22, 2015 online edition of Slate Magazine. The same Slate article quoted a Washington Post story of a few days earlier, which stated: “The Justice Department and FBI have formally acknowledged that nearly every examiner in an elite FBI forensic unit gave flawed testimony in almost all trials in which they offered evidence against criminal defendants over more than a two-decade period before 2000.” Things look pretty bad for the FBI recently, but how about in earlier days? Surely they were better then, right? Of course not.... Remember the Frederick Whitehurst scandal from the 1990s? Whitehurst was one of the Bureau's top scientists, and he complained for more than a decade toward the end of the last century about the FBI's vaunted crime lab faking evidence and slanting it toward the prosecution. According to the Feb. 27, 1998 edition of CNN: -------------------------------------- For 10 years Whitehurst complained mostly in vain about lab practices. But his efforts finally led last April to a scathing 500-page study of the lab by Justice Department Inspector General Michael Bromwich. Bromwich blasted the famed lab for flawed scientific work and inaccurate, pro-prosecution testimony in major cases, including the Oklahoma City and World Trade Center bombings. Bromwich recommended major reforms, discipline for five agents that is still under consideration and transfer of Whitehurst to other duties. ------------------------------------ Whitehurst, of course, was pilloried endlessly by defenders of the FBI, eventually resulting in the award of more than a million dollars to Whitehurst as compensation, and a new federal law protecting whistleblowers! So... for a quarter century and probably more, the FBI has clearly been cooking the evidence to favor the prosecution. But that didn't happen back in the good ole' days, right? Not when J. Edgar was in charge. William Sullivan (a top-ranking FBI official) said, "Hoover did not like to see the Warren Commission come into existence. He showed a marked interest in limiting the scope of it and taking any action which might result in neutralizing it."* He added, "If there were documents that possibly he (Hoover) didn't want to come to the light of the public, then those docu­ments no longer exist, and the truth will never be known."** NOTES: * Interview of William Sullivan by Robert Fink, November, 1975; Memo from James P. Kelly to G. Robert Blakey, 11/18/77; HSCA 108-10112-10133, Numbered Files 003406 ** Ibid.

Jim, I know that rumors about Oswald being an FBI informant were going around, And that a meeting about it took place among WC officials. But the quote above seems a bit pat to have been written by a WC member, especially so soon after the WR was published. Have you actually seen for yourself the quote in Ford's book? I did some searching and all I could find was that it was used in a Novel (and so it could be fiction) and a CTer posted it saying that Mark Lane had written it. I'd appreciate it if you would confirm this. Thanks for asking, Sandy. Yes, I do own a copy of Ford's Portrait of the Assassin. The first interior page has a handwritten note in blue ink: "Warmest personal regards, Gerald R. Ford." The quote from above is taken directly from the second page of Chapter 1. I've scanned the first two pages of the chapter and provided links to the images below ("PAGE 2" has the actual quote): PAGE 1 PAGE 2 Most fascinating about this is that I tried to check very carefully throughout the book, and saw no place where Ford actually attempted to debunk the story, though of course J. Edgar denied it furiously, as you would expect.

What's really entertaining about all those news reports is that we've got the Dallas Police Chief saying on Saturday that the FBI had analyzed the handwriting and determined it was "Lee Harvey Oswald's" on an order for a "bolt-action rifle with a telescopic sight from a Chicago mail order house for $12.78." Apparently, with all that careful handwriting analysis, the FBI didn't notice that the rifle actually cost $19.95, plus $1.50 S&H. Looks like the FBI fired first and then made up the documents later. They could change any report they cared to change... but they just couldn't make those news stories in hundreds of U.S. dailies go away. HERE, again, is a link to one of the news reports.

YO, Bob, Thank so much for your ballistics evidence! Maybe we know the truth RIGHT NOW! A significant part of that truth is from YOU!,,,, and we know who HATES US, EH???? Let's end this right now..... N O W ! !

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According to the Warren Commission, the FBI analyzed the handwriting on the order from for the rifle that allegedly killed JFK and said it matched the handwriting of “Lee Harvey Oswald.” Here is an example of the HUNDREDS of newspaper reports from November 25, 1963 about that very subject. PLEASE CLICK HERE! Would any astute observer here kindly point out the problem? (HINT: LOOK TOWARD THE BOTTOM OF THE LEFT COLUMN!!!) JIm