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The HSCA was part of the cover-up.
Following are apparently raw notes typed by HSCA staffers following their discussions with James Wilcott. Bill Schaap was Mr. Wilcott's attorney. Note the many details in Mr. Wilcott's secret Executive Testimony not permitted by HSCA counsel Michael Goldsmith, including the CIA cryptonym for the Oswald Project, the fact that Mr. Wilcott was anxious to take a standard lie detector test, the fact that he had already passed a voice stress analysis, and that he knew many names of CIA personnel he wasn't allowed to state. Note the apparent involvement of HSCA counsel Michael Goldsmith who said, "Committee did not want any public revelation on his [Wilcott's] committee appearance." According to Schaap, Wilcott was forced to agree to "not reveal specifics of specific questions."
You can make all the excuses you want, but you can't make Wilcott's testimony go away, even though it was partly censored.
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On 12/13/2018 at 1:29 PM, Lance Payette said:
As one who favors the Lone Assassin explanation, it seems to me that the conspiracy theories that have Oswald as a CIA operative, fake defector, fake Marxist, fake Castro supporter, etc., are preposterous.
21 Facts Indicating the Oswald Project Was Run by the CIA
1. CIA accountant James Wilcott testified that he made payments to an encrypted account for “Oswald or the Oswald Project.” Contemporaneous HSCA notes indicate Wilcott told staffers, but wasn't allowed to say in Executive session, that the cryptonym for the CIA's "Oswald Project" was RX-ZIM.
2. Antonio Veciana said he saw LHO meeting with CIA’s Maurice Bishop/David Atlee Phillips in Dallas in August 1963.
3. A 1978 CIA memo indicates that a CIA operations officer “had run an agent into the USSR, that man having met a Russian girl and eventually marrying her,” a case very similar to Oswald’s and clearly indicating that the Agency ran a “false defector” program in the 1950s.
4. Robert Webster and LHO "defected" a few months apart in 1959, both tried to "defect" on a Saturday, both possessed "sensitive" information of possible value to the Russians, both were befriended by Marina Prusakova, and both returned to the United States in the spring of 1962.
5. Richard Sprague, Richard Schweiker, and CIA agents Donald Norton and Joseph Newbrough all said LHO was associated with the CIA.
6. CIA employee Donald Deneslya said he read reports of a CIA "contact" who had worked at a radio factory in Minsk and returned to the US with a Russian wife and child.
7. Kenneth Porter, employee of CIA-connected Collins Radio, left his family to marry (and probably monitor) Marina Oswald after LHO’s death.
8. George Joannides, case officer and paymaster for DRE (which LHO had attempted to infiltrate) was put in charge of lying to the HSCA and never told them of his relationship to DRE.
9. For his achievements, Joannides was given a medal by the CIA.
10. FBI took Oswald off the watch list at the same time a CIA cable gave him a clean bill of political health, weeks after Oswald’s New Orleans arrest and less than two months before the assassination.
11. Oswald’s lengthy “Lives of Russian Workers” essay reads like a pretty good intelligence report.
12. Oswald’s possessions were searched for microdots.
13. Oswald owned an expensive Minox spy camera, which the FBI tried to make disappear.
14. Even the official cover story of the radar operator near American U-2 planes defecting to Russia, saying he would give away all his secrets, and returning home without penalty smells like a spy story.
15. CIA's Richard Case Nagell clearly knew about the plot to assassinate JFK and LHO’s relation to it, and he said that the CIA and the FBI ignored his warnings.
16. LHO always seemed poor as a church mouse, until it was time to go “on assignment.” For his Russian adventure, we’re to believe he saved all the money he needed for first class European hotels and private tour guides in Moscow from the non-convertible USMC script he saved. In the summer of 1963, he once again seemed to have enough money to travel abroad to Communist nations.
17. To this day, the CIA claims it never interacted with Oswald, that it didn’t even bother debriefing him after the “defection.” What utter bs….
18. After he “defected” to the Soviet Union in 1959, bragging to U.S. embassy personnel in Moscow that he would tell the Russians everything he knew about U.S. military secrets, he returns to the U.S. without punishment and is then in 1963 given the OK to travel to Cuba and the Soviet Union again!
19. Allen Dulles, the CIA director fired by JFK, and the Warren Commission clearly wanted the truth hidden from the public to protect sources and methods of intelligence agencies such as the CIA. Earl Warren said, “Full disclosure was not possible for reasons of national security.”
20. CIA's Ann Egerter, who worked for J.J. Angleton's Counterintelligence Special Interest Group (CI/SIG), opened a "201" file on Oswald on December 9, 1960. Egerter testified to the HSCA: "We were charged with the investigation of Agency personnel....” When asked if the purpose was to "investigate Agency employees," she answered, "That is correct." When asked, "Would there be any other reason for opening up a file?" she answered, "No, I can't think of one."
21. President Kennedy and the CIA clearly were at war with each other in the weeks immediately before his assassination, as evidenced by Arthur Krock's infamous defense of the Agency in the Oct. 3, 1963 New York Times. “Oswald” was the CIA’s pawn. -
16 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
This part has always puzzled me:
WC testimony of W.R. Westbrook:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/westbrook.htm
“There wasn't a car available, and so I walked from the city hall to the Depository Building, and I would stop on the way down where there would be a group of people listening to somebody's transistor radio and I would stop and catch a few false reports,...”
“I had walked down an aisle and opened a door onto an outside loading dock, and when I came out on this dock, one of the men hollered and said there had been an officer killed in Oak Cliff.
Well, then, of course, I ran to my radio because I am the personnel officer...”If he had walked from City Hall to the TSBD, then how...?
Steve Thomas
Great catch, Steve! Of course, we believe Westbrook drove his unmarked, personal car from police headquarters to the Book Depository before Tippit was shot, so his radio would have been available to him there. Then he took a marked squad car, probably # 207, to the N. Beckley rooming house and then to the narrow driveway near 10th and Patton. After Tippit was shot, we think he drove back to Dealey Plaza and got his personal car, so he could drive Sgt. Stringer and reporter Jim Ewell to the Tippit murder scene when it was reported on the police radio.
All that “walking” was probably just a way to account for his time. Is it likely that a Dallas police captain wouldn’t have a car available to him?
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Thanks, Mark!
Last night, I uploaded a huge update to the TIPPIT MURDER PAGE. The updated material includes a complete list of all the Dallas cops who appeared at 10th and Patton that afternoon, as well as a completely revised description of the FBI's alteration of the Dallas Police radio recordings and transcripts:
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Below is a list of police officers who were either dispatched or arrived at the scene of the Tippit murder. As can be seen, there was Sgt. Croy, in uniform, and two sergeants wearing plain clothes at 10th & Patton, but they arrived at different times. Croy was the only police sergeant IN UNIFORM at 10th & Patton, and the only police sergeant available to talk to Temple Ford Bowley within minutes of the shooting. Sgt. Gerald Hill, while en route to 10th & Patton, saw the ambulance carrying Tippit's body at Colorado Blvd & Beckley as it was racing toward the Methodist Hospital. Hill turned left on Beckley and arrived at 10th & Patton a moment before patrolmen Joe Poe and Leonard Jez arrived (circa 1:18 PM). Officers Roy Walker and H.W. Summers arrived a few minutes later, followed by detectives, police photographers, and officers from the Service Division (Identification Bureau, Fingerprint Section, Crime Scene Search Section).
Following is a list of police officers who were either dispatched or arrived at 10th & Patton. As can be seen from the list below the only sergeant in uniform who could have spoken with T.F. Bowley at 10th & Patton was Croy.
Anglin, Billy N. (patrolman)
Ashcraft, Holly M. (Love Field)
Baggett, E.R. (patrolman-temporarily assigned to special service bureau)
Croy, Kenneth Hudson (sergeant, in uniform; reserve officer)
Gregory, Thomas R. (patrolman)
Hawkins, Ray (patrolman)
Hill, Gerald Lynn. (sergeant--plain clothes; temporarily assigned to Capt. Westbrook's Personnel Bureau; arrived at 10th & Patton a moment before Poe and
Jez arrived, circa 1:18-1:19; then went to Jefferson Blvd & Patton)
Hill, Leonard L. (patrolman)
Horn, Henry H. (patrolman)
Hutson, T.A. (patrolman, 3 wheel motorcycle)
Jez, Leonard E. (patrolman; with Poe, first squad at 10th & Patton)
McDonald, M.N. (patrolman)
Mentzel, William D. (patrolman)
Owens, Calvin B. (sergeant--plain clothes; arrived first at Jefferson Blvd & Patton, and helped to search buildings; at 10th & Patton circa 1:36 PM, after chasing suspect in the library)
Poe, Joe M. (patrolman; with Jez, first squad at 10th & Patton)
Pollard, Jerry G. (patrolman)
Sebastian, E.G. (patrolman)
Smith, Walter E. (patrolman)
Summers, H.W. (patrolman)
Talbert, Capt. C.E. (plain clothes)
Thornhill, B.T. (accident prevention bureau)
Walker, C.T. (patrolman, accident prevention bureau)
Walker, Roy W. (patrolman, arrived at 10th & Patton circa 1:18 PM)
Westbrook, Capt. William R. (personnel bureau, plain clothes; arrived circa 1:43 PM)
Williams, Frank S. (patrolman)
Williams, J.W. (traffic division)
Croy told the Warren Commission that he "got me a witness" (Helen Markham) and questioned her for "a good 5 or 10 minutes" (circa 1:09-1:19 PM). As Croy was talking with Markham the first squad arrived and began to talk with Markham. Croy can be seen standing next to Helen Markham in this photo. Croy told the Warren Commission that he was at 10th & Patton for "a good 30 minutes." He said, "as I got ready to leave, there was another report that he ran into the Texas Theater, a man fitting Oswald's description had ran into the Texas Theater."The FBI's written report on 11/23/63
On November 23, 1963, only one day after President Kennedy was assassinated, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover sent the FBI's report on the assassination to the Chief of the Secret Service, James J. Rowley, along with a letter that said, "The results of our inquiry into the assassination of President John F. Kennedy and background information relative to Lee Harvey Oswald." Within 24 hours the Johnson Administration and the FBI decided that Oswald was guilty and were already distributing their written report!! Now the FBI needed to collect any and all information related to Oswald and make sure that information supported their written report.
A few days after the assassination the Dallas Police gave the FBI their original dictabelts and discs that contained the original recordings of the dispatchers' radio transmissions from channel 1 and channel 2 on November 22, 1963. After FBI officials listened to the dictabelt recordings concerning citizens calling and reporting the shooting of a police officer, after they reviewed numerous witness statements, and after they examined Tippit's medical records, they realized there was a serious problem. Earlene Roberts, the housekeeper at 1026 N. Beckley, said that (HARVEY) Oswald left his rooming house shortly after 1:00 PM. The police dictabelts show that a little less than six minutes later, and .8 of a mile south at 10th & Patton, Tippit was shot and killed at 1:06 PM. The FBI realized that (HARVEY) Oswald could not possibly have walked .8 of a mile from his rooming house to 10th & Patton in under 6 minutes and shot Tippit at 1:06 PM.
The FBI alters the Dallas Police dictabelts
When the shooting of a police officer was first broadcast by the police dispatcher there was much confusion about the exact address of the Tippit shooting, because each caller apparently gave their home address or business address or an address close to Tippit's patrol car. The callers were Barbara Jeanette Davis, L.J. Lewis (510 E. Jefferson Blvd.), Mrs. Margie Higgins (417 E. 10th), Mrs. Frank Wright (501 E. 10th), William Scoggins' dispatcher, and radio transmissions by Domingo Benavides (410 E. 10th), T.F. Bowley (404 E. 10th), and Ted Callaway (501 E. Jefferson Blvd.). The dictabelts recorded the police dispatcher relaying this information to police officers.The information provided by the dispatcher and recorded by the dictabelt was correct, but the time of this dispatch (circa 1:06-1:08 PM) had to be changed in order to allow enough time for Oswald to have walked from his rooming house (1:00-1:01 PM) to 10th & Patton and shoot Tippit. The time that the police dispatcher notified officers of the Tippit shooting was changed from 1:06-1:08 PM to 1:18 PM (see 1:18 PM above in the typewritten transcripts). The typewritten transcript for channel 1 (below) now shows no calls to the police related to the Tippit shooting from 1:04 to 1:18 PM. The typewritten transcript for channel 2 (below) describes calls to and from the police dispatcher between 1:01 to 1:12 PM as "Most conversations were routine" (click here to view entire transcript). On December 3, 1963 the FBI returned the altered "belts and discs" for channel 1 and channel 2 to Capt. Bowles of the Dallas Police, who at that time had no reason to believe it was not their original dictabelt(s). The Dallas Police would not be able to detect any alteration or tampering with the dictabelt(s). They told Dallas Police Capt. Bowles that they were experiencing difficulty in preparing typewritten transcripts from the recordings (see below).
Thanks to FBI alterations, there was now enough time on both the dictabelts and the typewritten transcripts for (HARVEY) Oswald to have walked from his rooming house (circa 1:00 PM) to 10th & Patton in time to shoot Officer Tippit at 1:16 PM. These documents are definitive proof of manipulation and alteration of evidence by the FBI.
NOTE: The procedure by which dictabelts could be altered was simple. The dictabelt recordings could be played and recorded onto a tape recorder. The resulting tapes could then be easily altered with deletions and voice additions (time of day), and the altered tapes could then be played and recorded onto a new dictabelt.A few examples of alteration that prove the dictabelts were altered
Dallas Police Officers R.A. Davenport and W.R. Bardin heard the broadcast of the shooting of a police officer on their police radio (circa 1:08 PM) and were en route to the scene of the shooting when they saw, and followed, the ambulance carrying Tippit speeding to the Methodist Hospital (circa 1:11-1:12 PM). There is no doubt these officers arrived at the Methodist Hospital with the ambulance, watched as doctors tried to bring him back to life, and were nearby when Tippit was pronounced dead on arrival at 1:15 PM.
Temple Ford Bowley arrived at 10th & Patton at 1:10 PM. He took the police microphone from Benavides and told the police dispatcher of the shooting of a police officer (below, highlighted in blue). The time on this altered transcript is 1:19 PM (see red arrows. Now, look at the bottom of this transcript "Suspect running west on Jefferson...." It is simply not possible for Bowley to be reporting the shooting of a police officer, before the dispatcher has notified officers of a shooting, while at exactly the same time (1:19 PM) the dispatcher is reporting that a witness saw the suspect running west on Jefferson. The timing of both broadcasts by the dispatcher have been altered.The FBI's alteration of the dictabelts relating to the shooting of Officer Tippit were the first of several FBI alterations to these dictabelts. A dictabelt could record only 15 minutes of continual conversation. A conversation that continued past 15 minutes was automatically routed to a 2nd dictabelt on the same machine, while the first dictabelt was removed and replaced with a new dictabelt. A short conversation, perhaps one minute, would be recorded and the dictabelt machine would continue running for another 4 seconds before automatically shutting off if no further conversation. The machine would automatically start recording with the next conversation. Normally, a dictabelt machine could record dozens of short calls, which could cover an hour or more of calls. But on November 22, 1963, there were continual calls to and from the police dispatcher without interruption. In other words, on November 22, 1963, from 12:00 noon thru 1:00 PM, four dictabelts would be needed in order to record communications to and from the DPD police dispatcher (1 hour = 4 fifteen minute dictabelts).
In order to better understand the FBI's involvement and manipulation with the original DPD dictabelts, simply look at the following information for dictabelts #2 thru #9 returned by the FBI to the Dallas police. Each dictabelt can record only 15 minutes, yet the times covered for each of these dictabelts are from 20-45 minutes--every one of these dictabelts are missing from 10 to 25 minutes of conversation. On dictabelt 6, for example, when the DPD dispatcher had continuous contact with police officers from 12:40 to 1:10 PM (JFK shot at 12:30 PM; Tippit shot at 1:06 PM), this dictabelt has only 15 minutes of recording--and 15 minutes of police related conversation were eliminated!Nineteen years later, in March, 1982, after the dictabelts had been examined by experts and found to have evidence of alteration, Dallas researcher Gary Mack interviewed Capt. Bowles of the Dallas Police. Bowles told Gary Mack that he could not give any assurance that the belts which were returned by the FBI were the ones which left the possession of the DPD. (Click here to read the complete article relating to the scientific analysis of the dictabelts.)
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Thanks for the careful reading, Mark. Sometimes I have to read these detail-rich articles three or four times to digest even most of the information. I'll see if we can make W's trip from TSBD to the Texaco Station clearer, but no doubt you know what we're up against.
Do you think we have proved that the Dallas Police radio transcripts and recordings from 11/22/63 were altered?
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18 hours ago, Mark Lawson said:
https://harveyandlee.net/Tippit/Tippit.html
Jim, at the above-referenced Web page, you and/or Jim Armstrong write: "Reserve officer Croy most likely arrived at 10th & Patton in police car #207 with personnel officer Capt. Westbrook, and they both watched as LEE Oswald shot and killed Tippit at 1:06 PM. Westbrook drove away in police car #207...."
Further down the same page, however, you write: "Westbrook did not drive directly to the scene of the Tippit murder at 10th & Patton.... Capt. Westbrook drove his own dark blue, unmarked police car to Oak Cliff with Sgt. Stringer sitting next to him in the front seat and with Dallas Morning News reporter Jim Ewell sitting in the back seat (read Jim Ewell's account here: http://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/History/The_deed/Sneed/Ewell.html). And an unknown police officer did NOT let Westbrook out at the scene of Tippit's murder, because Westbrook drove his unmarked police car from the Book Depository directly to the Texaco Station at 401 E. Jefferson and arrived shortly before 1:25 PM.... [italics and emphasis from the original]
Can you clarify, please? ML
Steve and Mark,
I think Steve’s post just above this one definitely belongs in another thread. For now, I’d like to discuss the two cars we think Westbrook drove that fateful afternoon and the actions he took that prompted Mark Lawson’s question. Following is an outline, partly excerpted from THE TIPPIT MURDER PAGE and partly in my own words, describing our theory about Westbrook’s movements.
Shortly after shots were fired at President Kennedy we think Capt. Westbrook, along with Sgt. Kenneth Croy, drove Westbrook's unmarked dark blue police car from police headquarters to Dealey Plaza, arriving about 12:40 PM.
A few earlier, Officer Valentine, along with news reporter Jim Ewell, drove Dallas police car #207 from police headquarters to the Book Depository. Valentine parked the car and assisted in the search of the building until late afternoon.
We believe that after Westbrook parked his unmarked police car near the Book Depository, both he and Croy boarded McWatters’ bus looking for HARVEY Oswald.
Next, Westbrook commandeered one of the many police cars parked in front of the Book Depository, likely squad car #207 driven there by Valentine. Westbrook, along with Sgt. Croy, drove car #207 to Oak Cliff to find HARVEY Oswald and drive him to the Texas Theater.
After dropping HARVEY Oswald off in the deserted alley behind the Texas Theater, Westbrook and Croy drove police car #207 six blocks east thru the same alley and, after passing Patton St., turned left onto a very narrow driveway between two houses at 404 and 410 E. 10th.
Our theory is that after Tippit was shot, Westbrook backed up car #207 into the alley and soon met up with LEE Oswald somewhere near the alley and the Abundant Life Church behind the Texaco station. There, LEE gave Westbrook the jacket he had worn, his wallet containing Oswald and Hidell identification, and the .38 used to Kill Tippit.
Westbrook then drove police car #207 back to the Texas School Book Depository, and arrived around 1:15 PM. It was important for Capt. Westbrook to be seen in and around the Book Depository before the shooting of Tippit was broadcast by the police dispatcher.
We think Westbrook told the Warren Commission all kinds of lies to hide his actions and whereabouts after he first left the Book Depository en route to Oak Cliff. Westbrook told the Commission that "Some patrolman drove him" to where Tippit had been shot and killed. A lie, we believe. Capt. Westbrook drove his own dark blue, unmarked police car to Oak Cliff with Sgt. Stringer sitting next to him in the front seat and with Dallas Morning News reporter Jim Ewell sitting in the back seat. And an unknown police officer did NOT let Westbrook out at the scene of Tippit's murder, because Westbrook drove his unmarked police car from the Book Depository directly to the Texaco Station at 401 E. Jefferson and arrived shortly before 1:25 PM.
After Westbrook arrived at the Texaco station news reporter Jim Ewell got out of the car and walked to McCandles Minute Market. He placed a telephone call to the "city desk" at the Dallas Morning News and told his employer that he was in Oak Cliff. As Ewell left the Minute Mart he saw Assistant D.A. William Alexander "with an automatic pistol stalking across the balcony of a two story boarding house that police were searching." Sgt. Stringer got out of the car and joined fellow officers in shaking down adjacent buildings looking for the suspect. Capt. Westbrook was then alone in his unmarked, dark blue police car and, in our opinion, drove about 50 feet past the Texaco station, turned right and drove about 150 feet to an alley where he again turned right. On the left side of the alley was the back side of the Abundant Life Church. It is no accident that Westbrook drove directly to the car lot behind the Texaco station, and then just happened to be in the exact place where the jacket was "found" less than one minute after he arrived. Was there any reason, other than "finding the shooter's jacket," for Westbrook to drive from the Book Depository directly to the parking lot behind the Texaco Station?
Westbrook then drove his unmarked personal car to Tenth and Patton where he would show off the second “Oswald” wallet to onlookers and Ron Reiland’s WFAA-TV news camera.
With the wallet containing “Oswald” and “Hidell” identification now introduced, Westbrook's work was largely done and he was free to drive his unmarked blue car to the Texas Theater, where he parked it directly in front.
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Mark,
Assume we’re right about the involvement of Westbrook and Croy in this whole affair, and then try to imagine yourself in Westbrook’s shoes. Would you want to drive your own, personal car to meet the man who would soon be accused of killing JFK? Or to be near the spot where a uniformed officer was about to be murdered? That’s why we think Westbrook commandeered car # 207 and drove with Croy to the North Beckley rooming house, honked the horn, and soon parked in the narrow driveway near 10th and Patton. Taking his own car would simply have been too dangerous.
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On 12/11/2018 at 7:03 PM, Sandy Larsen said:
Really looking forward to seeing that Jim!
It's still being refined, but the write-up with the DROP-DEAD PROOF of alteration of the Dallas Police radio recordings and transcript is now up on the H&L Tippit murder page. Just follow the link below, and then search for the first instance of "Higgins." It's in a paragraph beginning "1:06PM...." Here's the link:
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On 12/10/2018 at 12:21 PM, Sandy Larsen said:
I think that this is what happened:
First, transcripts were made from audio tape copies of the Dictabelt recordings.
Then, after the assassination re-enactment was completed and it was discovered that Oswald could not have been near Tippit's car at his time of death, 1:06, the FBI decided to have several minutes (about 7 according to my timeline) added to all the timestamps... or at least to some key ones. They did this to the transcripts first and later to a tape copy of the Dictabelt recordings. They accidentally overlooked the 1:10 timestamp on the transcript, and so it remained intact. Bowley's testimony supports this conjecture.
I checked out the chain of possession of the Dictabelt and tape recordings to see if the FBI had time to do the alteration, and to see if they controlled all the recordings so that a unaltered one couldn't get out. This highly detailed article written by Tom Scally was a big help to me. (It's a gem that should be archived on the Mary Ferrell website.) Here is the chain of possession for the audio recordings that are now in the public domain:
- According to the WC testimony of DPD Sergeant Gerald Dalton Henslee, the DPD had an original tape copy of the Dictabelt recordings in early December of 1963.
- Some time prior to early 1967, DPD Sergeants Gerald Hill or Gerald Henslee gave a DPD tape to Judy Bonner (who was writing "Investigation of a Homicide" at the time).
- In June 1969, the Judy Bonner's tape (or a copy) was given to Mary Ferrell. This s in the PUBLIC DOMAIN.
- A tape identified as being from the same source was discovered by Dave Dix at the Minneapolis Public Library in 1990. This is also in the PUBLIC DOMAIN.
So, the public domain recordings MAY have originated from the audio tape the DPD had in early December 1963. Or they may have come from a different, LATER tape, also held by the DPD. But in either case, they came from the DPD no later than early 1967.
Therefore the FBI had potentially three years to alter the recording that we now have in the public domain.
As for whether or not the government could have counted on keeping all other copies of the recording out of the public's hands, I think that's a real possibility. Numerous copies were reportedly made at different times and on different media. Which makes it sound like it would be difficult for the FBI to control. However, nearly all the copies were made either for the FBI/SS or by the FBI/SS. The FBI did return the original Dictabelts to the DPD and apparently gave two tape recorded copies to them, which Chief Curry and his successor kept locked up for nine years. And so those were out of the hands of the FBI. But it's entirely possible that the FBI at some point did a switcheroo (assuming that the recordings they'd given the DPD still had the original timestamps on them).
This is interesting, because John has been telling me for months that he thinks the FBI added about 10 minutes to many of the timestamps after about 1 PM, for the obvious reason that an honest record didn’t allow enough time for Classic Oswald® to walk from the rooming house to Tenth and Patton to murder Tippit.
This isn’t up on the website yet, but John writes that, “FBI agents returned the dictabelts to DPD Captain Bowles, but advised they were experiencing difficulty in preparing transcripts from the recordings (see below). In March, 1982 Bowles told Gary Mack that he could not give any assurance that the belts which were returned by the FBI were the ones which left the possession of the DPD."
When I was a young child in the 1950s in NYC, my father was a Dictabelt salesman and he often brought home demonstrator machines for me to play with. The machines operated by cutting grooves matching audio waves into plastic belts, much as the old vinyl phonograph records worked. It would have been virtually impossible to significantly edit a Dictabelt, but a simple matter to record the content on audio tape, splice and edit the tape, and then re-record the faked audio on a new Dictabelt. For the 1950s, the technology was good.
Interesting that Bowles told Gary Mack, before Mack was employed by the Dark Side, that he could give no assurance the belts returned by the FBI were the same as the originals.
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Tonight or tomorrow there will be a lot of new material added to the DPD fake radio broadcasts section of the H&L Tippit murder page. John has found yet more evidence of calls to police not even hinted at by the extant alleged radio recordings and transcripts. More importantly….
There is now DROP-DEAD PROOF that the recordings and transcripts were altered. John has found a report of two Dallas cops who heard the report of the Tippit shooting on the police radio and then started driving toward 10th and Patton. On the way, they encountered the ambulance driven by Clayton Butler and followed it to Methodist Hospital. They followed the body inside and saw medics trying to revive Tippit before declaring him dead on arrival at 1:15 PM. See how phony the so-called radio transcripts are for this time period. (Shown below are FBI versions):
Nuf said! Part of this information is already up on the Tippit page, but a seventh witness call re the shooting and the police report of the two officers following the ambulance to the hospital will be up later tonight or tomorrow.
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20 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:
I'm afraid I'm left with no choice than to believe that the timestamps on the Dictabelt recordings were altered. At least some key ones were.
Absolutely!! I just finished uploading some major updates to the Tippit murder page on H&L.net. In, them, I think we absolutely prove that the Dallas police radio transcripts were altered, and we discuss the reasons for the alterations. Today or tomorrow I’ll start a thread here on the Ed Forum, unless someone else wants to go first, going over this evidence.
In the meantime, if you’d like to see how John has written this up, go to the Tippit murder page and find the first instance of “Higgins,” which should get you to a paragraph that begins, “1:06 P.M. Mrs. Margie Higgins....” That’s where the evidence begins. The Tippit page is here:
Megathanks to Steve Thomas for pointing us to several significant docs re the DPD radio transcripts and recordings. Some of Sandy’s remarks at the top of this page are news to me, but I’m exhausted by the updating process and will need a little time to digest his new material.
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26 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:
I believe that this is a mis-type in the transcript of the tapes, since the chronological order of the dispatches on the previous page (page 407) are already up to 1:16 PM.
Thanks, Steve. I hadn't noticed the 1:10 on page 408. No doubt that is what John was remembering. At the bottom of page 408, the time stamp is 1:1#, the "#" looking like the last digit was overprinted with two numbers. Funny mistakes. Almost as if someone was juggling times around trying to get Classic Oswald® from the rooming house to 10th and Patton and to the theater by juggling times around and then forgetting to clean up the record.
Isn’t it odd that Bowley remembered that at the time he made the call his watch indicated is was 1:10, and that the transcript accidentally agreed with him.
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3 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:
T.F. Bowley testified that he called in on Tippit's radio after he arrived there at 1:10, and before the ambulance arrived. If we believe the radio log, Bowley really called at 1:16... which was after Tippit had already arrived at the hospital and been pronounced dead! This makes no sense.
The police log in Warren vol 17, pp. 407-408 indicates Bowley called at 1:16. But John is convinced that when he was camped out at the National Archives in the mid to late 1990s, he found a DPD radio transcript indicating Bowley made the call at 1:10. He also believes he had a copy made of the 1:10 pm log and included it in his Baylor collection. I'll try to find it (DJ is good at searching Baylor too... hint, hint). If it's there... heh-heh.
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I just talked to John on the phone. The Bowley call on the police radio transcript is on WC Vol XVII, pp. 407-408. It does seem to indicate that Bowley’s call was made at 1:16. I asked John if he trusted the DPD radio logs. He said, basically, you can’t trust anything in this case.
Here’s a link to page 407 in v. 17. To see the next page, just click “next.”
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0217a.htm
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Sandy,
According to the Dallas Police Radio transcripts at this address:http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/tapes2.htm
The initial report on police radio of the Tippit killing did not occur until 1:16 pm, a minute after Tippit was declared dead at the hospital. I assume this was the T.F. Bowley call, and the official time stamp, at least according to the transcript McAdams posted, is 1:16, not 1:10 or so.
Citizen Hello, police operator?
Dispatcher Go ahead. Go ahead, citizen using the police radio.
Citizen There's been a shooting out here.
Dispatcher Where's it at?
Dispatcher The citizen using the police radio . . .
Citizen Tenth Street.
Dispatcher What location on Tenth Street?
Citizen Between Marsalis and Beckley. It's a police officer. Somebody shot him. What -- what's . . . 404 Tenth Street.
Dispatcher Can you hear me?
(Man and woman's voices in background)
Dispatcher 78.
Citizen It's in a police car, number 10.
Dispatcher 78.
Dispatcher (?) 78.
Citizen Got that?
Citizen Hello, police operator. Did you get that?
Dispatcher Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 E. Jefferson.
Citizen Thank you.
35 (Ptm. J.M. Lewis) 35.
259 (unknown) 259.
Dispatcher The citizen using the police radio: Remain off the radio now.Croy said he heard the report on the radio and went to the scene of the murder, but how on earth did he get there 5 minutes before the first report? How on earth did he see Tippit's body put into the ambulance when the radio report only went out after Tippit was declared dead? How? Because he was already there when Tippit was killed!
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On 7/8/2016 at 5:18 AM, Sandy Larsen said:
I now know that the DPD responded first not to Barbara Davis's 1:08 call, but rather to Mrs. Frank Wright's slightly earlier call. I will update the timeline accordingly. I will also update times to reflect ambulance driver Clayton Butler's testimony. Then I will add additional information provided by Jim. I'm trying to document how the timetable is being constructed (which is why I have it in two stages, so far), and so the information provided by Jim will be added in a manner that facilitates that.
Tippit Scene Timeline (Version 5)
1:06 - Tippit is shot. [Time Sources: Helen Markham & Margie Higgins (in The Girl on the Stairs)]
1:07 - Witness Mrs. Frank Wright calls in the shooting. [Time: Based on Mrs. Frank Wright comments reported in 10/12/64 The New Leader magazine article.]
1:09 - Witness T.F. Bowley calls in the shooting via Tippit's radio. [Time Source: T.F. Bowley. Actually, his statement suggests that his call was made at 1:11 to 1:12. But this makes the official time-of-death for Tippit of 1:15 impossible. So, this time presumes Bowley's watch being off by a minute or two, and that he rounded off to the nearest 5-minute mark.]
1:10 - The ambulance arrives. [Time: Based on Mrs. Frank Wright & Clayton Butler statements reported in 10/12/64 The New Leader magazine article. Actually, their comments suggest a time of 1:08. But the ambulance cannot have arrived before T.F. Bowley's ~1:10 call. Note also that Bowley said the ambulance arrived "a few minutes" after his call.]
1:11 - Police reserve Sergeant Croy arrives and sees Tippit being loaded into the ambulance. Croy talks to a "hysterical" witness, probably Helen Markham. [Time: Based on Croy's WC testimony, his seeing ambulance being loaded upon his arrival.]
1:12 - The ambulance departs.
1:22 - Patrolman Roy W. Walker broadcasts the killer's description from the scene. [Time Source: DPD radio log transcript.]
Timing Analysis
According to Officer Poe's WC testimony, Walker arrived AFTER he and patrolman Jez arrived. They interviewed an excited Helen Markham, got a description of the shooter, and gave it to Walker for him to broadcast.
So Poe and Jez were the second and third officers to arrive. They arrived some time between 1:11 (Croy's arrival) and 1:17 (if we allow a 5 minute interview with Markham before giving the shooter's description to Walker to broadcast at 1:22).
Barbara Davis says that after calling the police, she and Virginia Davis went out and to the car. It "wasn't 5 minutes" before the police arrived, according to Barbara. (Virginia said that they had "already arrived." But this cannot be reconciled with other testimony. Note also that Virginia had a habit of using the word "already.")
So the Davises left their house at about 1:08 and arrived at Tippit's car shortly thereafter. And then, within 5 minutes, Officers Poe and Jez arrived. This pegs their time of arrival between 1:12 (after Croy's 1:11 arrival) and 1:13 or so.
Tippit Scene Timeline (with Virginia Davis and the first arriving police officers)
1:06 - Tippit is shot.
1:07 - Witness Mrs. Frank Wright calls in the shooting.
1:07 - Virginia Davis and her-sister-in-law arrive at the door, and Helen Markham screams to them that Tippit is dead and to call the police. They see the killer cross their yard and disappear around the corner of their house. [Time: Based on the above Timing Analysis.]
1:08 - The Davises call the police and then step out into their yard. They walk over and see Tippit's body lying on the ground. [Time: Based on the above Timing Analysis.]
1:09 - Witness T.F. Bowley calls in the shooting via Tippit's radio.
1:10 - The ambulance arrives and the body is loaded.
1:11 - Croy arrives and sees Tippit being loaded into the ambulance. Croy talks to a "hysterical" witness, probably Helen Markham.
1:11 to 1:12 - The ambulance departs.
1:12 to 1:13 - Officer Poe and Patrolman L.E. Jez arrive, and interview an excited Helen Markham. [Time: Based on the above Timing Analysis.]
1:13 to 1:22 - Patrolman Roy W. Walker arrives. Officer Poe gives Markham's description of the shooter to Walker for him to broadcast. [Time: Based on the above Timing Analysis.]
1:22 - Patrolman Roy W. Walker broadcasts the killer's description from the scene.
Sandy,
Thank you for all your work on this timeline.
Ambulance driver Clayton Butler told the HSCA "I was on the scene one minute or less. From the time we received the call in our dispatch office until Officer Tippit was pronounced dead at Methodist Hospital was approximately four minutes." Tippit was taken to the Methodist Hospital at 1441 N. Beckley, 1.4 miles from 10th & Patton, where he was pronounced dead on arrival at 1:15 PM .
Butler’s testimony is critical. It cements the timeline at 1:06 PM for the Tippit shooting. Scoggins, Mrs. Wright, Barbara Davis, and others immediately called the police, who immediately called the ambulance. The ambulance arrived at 1:08-09. This means that Croy was on the scene at 1:08-1:09 as he watched Tippit loaded onto the ambulance. This also means that Virginia Davis was correct when she said that after Oswald hurried past the corner of her house, she opened the screen door and walked over to the police car where she saw Tippit lying on the street. And, like she said "they were already here (Croy)." Croy simply had to be there within 2 minutes after the shooting occurred in order to have seen Tippit placed into the ambulance. This time sequence is critical.
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1 hour ago, Denny Zartman said:
Who says that Oswald was not connected to the events that day?
Indeed! He played the starring role of The Patsy! And to do so successfully, he clearly had to follow orders. The question I've always wondered is, What kind of story was he told to do the things he did that day.
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7 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
Jim,
No. No signature on Valentine's Report.
Quite frankly, I really don't know where this information about the two half-dollar bills comes from. I've never seen a reference to them in any inventory I've ever seen.
Here's an inventory of the items found on Oswald that's in the DPD Archives. I'm sorry, I don't have a citation for you.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/27/2707-001.gif
This is a copy of the inventory found in the DPD Archives Box 1, Folder# 7, Item# 43 with some extra notes added on the side. This inventory was compiled on November 30th.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box7.htm
Here's Commission Exhibit 1148 This FBI inventory was compiled by James Bookhout and is dated December 10th.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1317#relPageId=208&tab=page
They match pretty closely I think.
I know Manning Clements did an inventory of the wallet he found on the desk at around 10:00 PM Friday night, but I can't put my finger on that inventory at the moment. I know there was a reference to it in the discussions about the Hidell ID card in the Forum a while back.
There's nothing in the DPD Archives that list "torn", "bills", "dollars", or "half-dollars" The only listing for "money" relates to the money Ruby had on him.
PS: I noticed those two torn half-dollar bills have different serial numbers on them.
Steve Thomas
Thanks, Steve....
The text box on the note appears to say:
PHOTO REPRODUCTION FROM
DALLAS MUNICIPAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS CENTER
CITY OF DALLAS, TEXASHere’s John’s full quote about the bills described in the note from our website:
Curiously, neither of these items were listed on the police inventory of 11/23/63, the joint FBI/DPD inventory of 11/26/63 (Oswald's so-called possessions), nor were they photographed. At the National Archives, in Adelphi, MD, I inspected and handled each item of inventory listed on the joint FBI/DPD inventory of 11/26/63. These items were not among the inventory.
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Hypothetical question for Cory….
Apologies for asking for a free legal opinion, but we’re all obviously interested in this case, and so I thought you wouldn’t mind.
Let’s say you were defending a client against criminal charges at a jury trial, and that the prosecution presented ten pieces of evidence seeming to indicate your client was guilty as charged. Let’s also say you were able to show that three of those pieces of evidence were clearly invented or substantially altered by police or someone else on the prosecution’s side, i.e., the false evidence was clearly not the result of simple errors or sloppy investigation techniques but by all reasonable analyses was out and out fraud meant to deceive the jury.
Let’s also say you were unable to prove the other seven pieces of evidence were phony, but you were able to give the jury a reasonable explanation why they, like the three debunked pieces of evidence, were fraudulent. Would you have a chance of getting your client off the hook based on those three pieces of clearly fraudulent evidence?
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Steve,
Any indication that Valentine’s statement above is signed? No sig on the image you posted.
Also, your familiarity with the Dallas archives seems pretty unique. (There are several different ones relating to this case, no?) In my more limited familiarity with them, it seems to me that there are a number of documents not in lockstep with the WC/FBI version of things.
One of those that stands out for me is the note about the half dollar bills apparently in the possession of Classic Oswald®. As far a I know, there is no reference to this at all in any federal investigation. John A. says the note is not in Archives II in College Park.
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1 hour ago, Ian Lloyd said:
The FBI interviewed Valentine & Putnam...
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10672&relPageId=535&search=valentine
EDIT:
Actually, re-reading this, it looks like it's the FBI passing on the information received from the DPD...
Ian,
The link above is to an FBI interview of Capt. O.A. Jones, of the DPD Forgery(!!) Bureau. Valentine and Putnam should have been aggressively interviewed about the issue of car # 207, but I can find no indication that either was. Why not?
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After some confusion in her testimony, Mrs. Roberts seemed to indicate that it was squad car # 207 that honked by the rooming house at 1026 N. Beckley. As Joe Bauer noted in his initial post, this testimony should have set off alarm bells just about everywhere in Dallas. Instead, Captain W.R. Westbrook wrote this brief excuse about car # 207 to Chief Curry:
Jimmy Valentine, who according to Westbrook was assigned to the car that day, should have been questioned. As John Armstrong wrote on our website, “Valentine should have been interviewed by DPD internal affairs, the FBI, the Secret Service, and/or the Warren Commission and asked who borrowed his squad car that afternoon. Valentine should have provided a written statement or affidavit as to either the location of car #207 or the officer to whom he gave the keys to car #207 prior to 1:00 PM on 11/22/63. The opportunity to identify and connect the police officers in car #207 with HARVEY Oswald was now lost, and I believe was intentionally lost.”
By the same measure, Sgt. J. A. Putnam should have been grilled about Westbrook’s claim he was given the keys to car # 207 and didn’t return them until 3:30 pm that afternoon. But, of course, Putnam was never questioned about that either.
John and I believe that it was Captain Westbrook himself in car # 207 honking the horn in front of the rooming house, along with Reserve Officer Kenneth Croy. The case for this is made here:
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Hi, James,
If you get a process in place, I’d try to contribute a little something, but I’m surprised at the price you have to pay for hosting the Ed Forum. Although it is probably quite a bit smaller and less interactive, the Harvey and Lee site costs less per year than your monthly cost. H&L is probably in the neighborhood of 250 MB in size, but I alter files on average perhaps three times a week or so.
Thank you for the effort you have made to keep this forum going.
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That's right, all you guys can do is call Wilcott a l-i-a-r, which is completely illogical since he was obviously eager to take a lie detector test. It has been patently obvious for more than half a century that "Lee Harvey Oswald" was a spy!