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    Was it really just a MOLE HUNT about "Oswald?"

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    I went back and checked Robert's book. Funny thing, there is no mention of Stripling. He has LHO going from Ridgelea to NYC. It looks to me like Robert went over the records and realized that he had made a mistake during his WC testimony and therefore did not write about Stripling. I can't think of any other explanation when he is writing a book that will be his final word.

    Was it really just a MOLE HUNT about "Oswald?"

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    1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:

    H&L critics want readers to believe that the evil cabal of Jack White and Frank Kudlaty conspired to lie to the world about LHO attending Stripling School.  It just didn’t happen, they want readers to believe.

    Misrepresentation. Nobody said there was a conspiracy between White and Kudlaty, White told his H&L story and Kudlaty "remembered" what was likely an explainable trip by some authority to attempt to obtain information and that got turned into a confiscation of records.

    1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:

    But they fail to explain how the White/Kudlaty team traveled back in time to 1959, and again to 1962, and talked Robert Oswald into telling the Fort Worth Star-Tribune the enormous fib about LHO attending Stripling School.

    Robert honestly believed that his brother attended Stripling. And he would have (or perhaps he would have attended the new Monnig school if you believe Armstrong) but for his relocation to NYC.

    1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:

    The Stripling School evidence is simply overwhelming, and I’ll never stop posting it as long as anyone here tries to deny it.

    Well, it is certainly true that you never stop posting the same thing over and over. But the evidence is not "overwhelming." Records, other documentary evidence such as real estate records, yearbook photos, etc. would be overwhelming. But you just have a few 30-40 year old memories of people who were falsely led to believe they were a part of history.

    Was it really just a MOLE HUNT about "Oswald?"

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    12 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

     

    What evidence is there indicating that Jack White coached Kudlaty into saying that the FBI got LHO's Stripling School records from him?

     

    You can go to Greg Parker's site and read about White's relationship with Kudlaty and how that may have effected the story that he told. Now, if you want to believe that Kudlaty listened to White and suddenly and independently "remembered" that the FBI confiscated records, a fact that he had never mentioned to anyone before and saw no significance in previously, you are free to do that. I am a little skeptical though.

    Was it really just a MOLE HUNT about "Oswald?"

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    6 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

    Who was coached, Tracy?

    Kudlaty for one by Jack White who told him of the remarkable H&L theory. Kudlaty then "remembered" the "seizure" of the records that he never thought enough about to mention to anyone previously or obtain a receipt for. If you're concerned about the word "coached" call it "having a thought planted in his mind" or whatever. It amounts to the same thing.

    Was it really just a MOLE HUNT about "Oswald?"

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    17 minutes ago, James Norwood said:

    The ball is in the critics' court to refute those three pieces of evidence, plus a substantial body of secondary evidence.  And it will not be sufficient merely to write it all off by suggesting that the witnesses had faulty memories.

    No, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And coached witnesses speaking 30-40 years later do not meet such a definition.

    Was it really just a MOLE HUNT about "Oswald?"

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    8 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

    I then met with Mr. Galindo who said that had talked with several teachers who remembered that LHO had attended Stripling,

    1. They could be remembering Robert. 2. People want to be associated with a famous event-human nature. There is no hard evidence to support the claim, no yearbooks or even a scrap of paper. When will the H&L people learn that you can't trust what people say without verification.

    8 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

    As Fran sat outside the school and ate lunch she watched Oswald, sometimes with his friends, walk across the street to his home during lunch.

    No, she didn't, he never lived there. His mother did in 1963. Provide the verifying documentation please.

    8 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

    I don't know if Jack had any contact with Kudlaty after viewing the interview.

    He admitted he did.

    8 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

    I wrote to the FBI (FOIA request) and asked for copies of any and all documents they had relating to Stripling JHS in Ft. Worth, but was told there were no documents.

    Exactly.

    Was it really just a MOLE HUNT about "Oswald?"

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    1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:

    By extension, he needs readers to believe that the assistant principal at Stripling School in 1963 was lying when he said in a 1997 interview now on YouTube that he gave the Stripling records of Lee Harvey Oswald to the FBI less than 24 hours after the assassination.

    I'm only going to say this one more time. Kudlaty wasn't "lying" in the traditional sense of the word. He was told by his friend Jack White about the amazing "evidence" that Armstrong had developed. After being coached by White, Kudlaty "remembered" the "confiscated" records that he had previously never mentioned to anyone or given a second thought or bothered to secure a receipt for. 

    Contrary to what most people believe, memory is not like a snapshot from a camera. It is an mixture of what you remember and your subsequent experiences. Kudlaty was influenced by White to "remember" the whole scenario. Now please quit repeating the same nonsense over and over and address the real evidence.

    Was it really just a MOLE HUNT about "Oswald?"

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    50 minutes ago, James Norwood said:

    Mark,

    There has been no debate.  Jim, Sandy, and I have provided evidence and articulated conclusions based on the evidence.  The others are offering biased opinions and referring readers to other websites, as opposed to subjecting the evidence to close scrutiny. 

    You need to look evidence with greater care and make up your own mind, as opposed to asking us to explain it all to you.

    'Nuff said.

    Yes, it's all a great misunderstanding on your part Mark. The great Doctor Norwood has spoken. There is no debate-only the "facts" provided by the H&L team that us mere mortals fail to comprehend. If you will only study their "evidence" you will become enlightened.

    What utter nonsense!

    Was it really just a MOLE HUNT about "Oswald?"

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    1 hour ago, Mark Stevens said:

    Honestly, I don't follow the H&L discussions because I don't buy it and I more or less skim these topics at this point.

    But, I believe at least one valid point has been presented and I haven't seen any real discussion on this point, if there has been some discussion feel free to point me towards it. The point would be Robert Oswald's multiple statements that LHO went to Stripling. As I follow the debate, the crux of the matter seems to be whether this school was actually attended. Even if Kudlaty is negated, what negates Roberts multiple statements in this regard? He seems clear in his recollections, and if we give face value trust to most other statements of Robert, why would this one be dismissed? Or have I somehow missed other information on this topic?

    Check out this article:

    http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/04/robert-oswald-and-stripling.html

    It really doesn't matter how many times Robert said LHO was at Stripling. He was in the Marine Corp by that time and had no first-hand knowledge. He was not referring to any records during his WC testimony, just making a reasonable assumption about where he believed LHO would have attended school at that time. But he was wrong. If you read Robert and John Pic's testimony, they add much to the historical record, but they were not right about everything and could not be expected to be 100 percent accurate. Nobody is always right. Here is another area where Robert was wrong and the H&L people predictably use it to promote more nonsense:

    http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/03/the-hunter-photo.html

    Another thing the H&L fans avoid-where are the yearbook photos of LHO at Stripling? Did the CIA buy all of those and destroy them?

    Was it really just a MOLE HUNT about "Oswald?"

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    13 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

    What's your evidence for that, Tracy? What's you evidence that Armstrong coached Kudlaty? Jeez, the guy had impeccable credentials. Why would an outstanding individual like that lie?

    People will say the most amazing things-even people with a great background. Professional investigators don't just take a statement from someone with a good reputation at face value. They collaborate it. But in the H&L world, these sort of facts don't matter.

    It was probably more Jack White that did the coaching. It is all explained at Parker's site so no need to reinvent the wheel. And I have already explained that it is not "lying" in the usual sense. An individual can be persuaded to believe they are a part of "history" and they are intoxicated by that concept. The same thing happened with Palmer McBride. In McBride's case, there was the additional incentive of being told by Armstrong that he was right after all. But when Lifton approached him  in an objective manner and explained the evidence, he agreed that he was mistaken.

    Was it really just a MOLE HUNT about "Oswald?"

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    Posted · Edited by W. Tracy Parnell

    Robert Oswald told the WC that LHO "would be" attended Stripling. And he was right-he would have if he had not moved to NYC. Robert merely forgot about this. But he said it, so in the H&L world that makes it a fact. But it doesn't. The 1959 and 1962 newspaper articles are using Robert as a source and nothing else so we are right back at Robert's faulty recollection. The article that was published two days after the assassination was likely just quoting from the previous articles and also had no other source.

    18 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:

    What John Armstrong DID

    What he did was to find individuals and coach them to say what he wanted. All of the evidence for Stripling comes back to Robert's faulty remembrance.

    Was it really just a MOLE HUNT about "Oswald?"

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    2 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

    Meet the man Mr. Parnell wants you to believe was lying:

    I think even Jim will admit that everything in every document or report regarding the JFK assassination cannot be true. The fact is people say the darnedest things for sometimes no discernable reason. We know what Kudlaty told White and Armstrong nearly 40 years after the fact. But what did he say in 1963 about the startling event that he allegedly witnessed. Nothing at all.

    Was it really just a MOLE HUNT about "Oswald?"

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    I am going to issue a challenge to Jim Hargrove and Sandy. Either you guys believe you have found the key to the JFK assassination or you are two hobbyists playing around and hoping that the publicity you generate at this forum will result in a movie deal ala Jim D. Which is it?

    If you really believe the H&L theory, why don't you take all of your evidence to someone like Nick Patoski? Mr. Patoski has previously showed at least an interest in the H&L theory and knows Mr. Kudlaty. Why not carefully explain all the evidence to him? Sandy, you can explain to him that even though some of the top experts in the world confirmed LHO's identity through dental records, you have a new theory which is "obvious" to anyone and no forensic dental training is required?

    If Mr. Patoski is not interested, perhaps he can refer you to someone who is. After all, there are all sorts of theories gaining traction in the world-faked moon landing, Elvis is alive, the earth is flat and so on. There has to one credible journalist somewhere who will listen and take on your cause.

    Perhaps you are afraid (or know) that anyone you approach will tell you the same things that myself, Jeremy B. and Parker have been for years. The H&L theory is provable nonsense.

    So, what's it going to be? Are you going to continue hiding here at your safe playground or get out there and really do something?

     

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