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@Joseph McBride Joseph: I am aware of how contentious the issue of Oswald's rifle is, mostly thanks to John Armstrong's research. As this is a thread allowing speculations, I thought of considering Oswald owning a rifle and a hand gun without wishing to rehash the content of several previous threads,
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This is an interesting thread, albeit resting fully on "connecting dots".
I am not sure about Lee Oswald's guilt, however, he behaved as someone having guilty knowledge. He left the Depository in haste, he tried to conceal his home location before the taxi cab driver, he took his gun and he went to the Texas Theatre where he behaved suspiciously. He could realise being a potential crime suspect only if he knew about a detail or few details that connected him with the shooting. That could be, for instance, his rifle which he knew he left at a certain spot in the building and which he could not find at that spot when he checked it just after shooting. More likely though, he acted based on instructions of intelligence officers (or people presenting themselves as intelligence officers) that prompted him to be in Oak Cliff at a certain hour as a part of "second plot" which plan he decided to follow irrespective of President's killing; since "second plot" as he was originally portrayed to him did not assume killing of the President, he became very suspicious about the possibility of being framed for the assassination after the shooting occurred which explains him taking his gun.
"Second plot" is the idea originally developed by Matthew Smith in his book JFK: Second Plot (https://www.amazon.com/JFK-Second-Plot-Matthew-Smith/dp/1840185015). I think Larry Hancock has added few important points to this theory based on his original research. Second plot was the plan to fly Oswald to Cuba from Redbird airfield in the afternoon of that fateful day with President's visit being a welcome opportunity to conceal the flight. The plan to get Oswald to Cuba would explain his pro-Castro leanings (handing leaflets on streets of New Orleans in summer 1963) contrasting his associations with anti-Castro figures such as Guy Banister or David Ferry. Lee Oswald thought he was in the midst of intelligence games associated with Cuba and that he would come on top. After summer 1963, he may have been asked to return to Dallas and wait for next instructions as to how he would get to Cuba. Unbeknownst to Oswald, this was only the second plot with the first plot was to kill the President.
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I am not sure I ever posted my analysis of Mary Moorman photograph, suggesting the presence of a right parietal wound in Kennedy's head. As Mary Moorman took her famous picture around the Z-frame 315, the headwound should be visible in her picture offering a clear view of Kennedy's head. This analysis was undertaken as a part of my project to replicate the work of Tom Wilson who was the first to apply a subsurface photographic analysis to assassination pictures.
I had a high-resolution of the FBI version of Moorman's picture which comes from Tom Wilson's archive. I took a series of black-and-white pictures of Kennedy's head in a large-print of Mary Moorman's picture using an industrial near-infrared camera with individual frames taken at 30 Hz, under a 10 Hz stroboscopic illumination.
Here is a picture of my setup:
In the next, I analysed the averaged picture (containing information from fames taken at multiple levels of illumination based on the phase of aperture opening and the strobe burst), and reconstructed the brightness distributions in the right posterior head area using ImageJ program.
Here is the result of the depth reconstruction scaled in colour with bluish colour representing the deepest layers in the object. The image appears to show a wound having two connected openings.
This area has been then mapped onto original Moorman photograph, with red-lined area representing the spot which seems to lack any information, possibly a hollow space.
For comparison purposes, here are the results of Tom Wilson's analysis (upper panel) and my analysis (lower panel) of this area of President's head in Mary Moorman's picture:
In my humble opinion, these analyses tend to support the presence of a wound in the right posterior area of the head just fraction of a second after the last shot, justifying the statements of a number of medical staff members at Parkland hospital.
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I am not sure if all details of what happened to Zapruder film will ever be found out unless the original film would somehow emerge which does not seem likely.
However, it can be concluded that quite a substantial number of frames have been eliminated from Zapruder film as there is a discrepancy in the timeline of Wiegman and Zapruder film rendering Zapruder film to offer too a short timeline.
Here is my analysis that led me to question the continuity of Zapruder film:
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Thanks to Danny for assembling evidence on posterior head would in such a systematic manner, and to Kevin for further data and pictures. The posts like this make this Forum the best JFKA websites and have a more general importance beyond Internet community.
Greg Doudna raised a valid point by asking where is the posterior head wound in the occipital-parietal region in JFK autopsy pictures. As all can see, the one image showing the head from a back-front perspective shows no gaping wound in that region.
The only logical explanation is that this particula picture was manipulated. In my view, it was manipulated by a matte process which lead to placing an apparently-normal looking hair onto the missing scalp/bone region where only a hollow space and therefore black looking area would be seen on a photograph. By overlaying the picture of hair strip onto a black (hollow) area of the head an apparently realistic image of an intact posterior head was reached. However, every manipulation leaves a trace that eventually can be identified. It may have not been possible in the 60' or 70' but it is possible to identify the traces of original head wound using current photographic analysis methods.
I made an analysis of the critical autopsy picture and was, I hope, able to identify the remnants of the original black (hollow) area in that picture. My analysis fully confirms the posterior parietal-occipital head wound.
Here is my analysis of my analysis in full:
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It always looked strange to me that Captain Fritz never reported and was not asked by the Warren Commission about how did Lee Oswald explain how he had gotten to the Texas Theatre. Fritz led 12 hours of interrogations but this essential element of the case has fallen out completely from any notes. Could it be that Lee Oswald explained his route from his North Beckley room to the Theatre in a simple, credible and verifiable way? Therefore, should Lee Oswald's version of how he got to the Theatre be avoided at all costs?
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Can it be just a photographic noise causing the differences in the window grill? Magnifying details in old photographs can produce some strange effects.
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11 hours ago, Roger Odisio said:
RO: They were planted? If Oswald was not on the 6th floor, did not shoot anyone, and did not go down the stairs after the murder, this is a question of less importance than whether those things are true. It is a question of the identity of the shooters and their location. While not unimportant, it pales in comparison to the questions that remain. Who planned the murder and who orchestrated the framing of Oswald and the coverup of what happened.
Well, I see the question of Oswald's whereabouts during and after shooring and the question of who arranged the rifle and the spent cartridges or maybe even used the rifle to shoot from the sixth floor as on equal footing. If someone planted items of Oswald's guilt on the sixth foor, that person knew for whom he had worked or who had asked him. Proving that someone else than Oswald was on the sixth floor during the shooting is of equal importance, in my mind, to proving Lee Oswald was Prayer Man; one outcome strengthens the outher outcome. I would prefer commenting more on the sixth floor "evidence" or shooter(s) after somehow completing my research.
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12 hours ago, Roger Odisio said:RO: Fascinating stuff, Andrej. What do you make of Garner's further story that she was still in a position near the steps on the 4th floor to see or hear Oswald descending the steps, when Truly and a cop reached the 4th floor. *After* they supposedly encountered Oswald on the 2nd floor. Garner said she neither saw nor heard Oswald while she was there.That claim first appeared in the Martha Joe Stroud June 2 letter to J. Lee Rankin that was not only not followed up by Belin, at least officially, but was buried until Ernest uncovered it. You can bet Belin looked into it, if he did not already know what Garner had said.To me that has always been the crucial fact that blows up the whole Oswald story. Regardless of what lie the WC used to discredit Adams, or Adams' veracity.Are you still in touch with Ernest? I posted a message on his facebook page asking for his comment on Adams' '66 TV interview, but so far it only has attracted a couple of rants from Brian Doyle.Does Ernest still use that page? Can you ask him for his reaction to the TV interview? How it contradicts what he wrote that Adams told him many years later? He obviously knew about it. He mentioned it twice in his book. There is also the loose end of Styles emphatically saying in the book that she didn't see S&L on the first floor either.AS: However, I am not disputing a part of Baker's and Truly's encounter with Lee Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom, albeit in a different scenario. In my view, Lee Oswald went to the 2nd floor from the first floor via the front stairwell once he realised Kennedy has been shot. However, this is for a different thread.RO: This was the scenario advanced here a while back by Greg Doudna. After the murder, when Oswald was on the first floor or the front steps, he went up the stairs to the 2nd floor on his way out the back entrance when he encountered Truly and Baker.The importance of this is, if true, it is another way to establish that Oswald did not come *down* the steps from the 6th floor when he encountered Truly and Baker. It's another way to do this, besides the Darnell and Wiegman films. It is consistent with Garner's story of seeing Truly and Baker coming up the stairs but not Oswald going down. It is consistent with Oswald's alibi.
Roger:
I am familiar and agree with your account on Dorothy Garner and the Stroud document.
I did not have any email exchange with Barry for about a year or so which is related to the lack of time for JFK research over past two years. I retired from my job couple of months ago and hope to revive my JFK research in due time, which includes the modelling of movements of important players across the TSBD in moments following the final shot.
I also wrote to Barry to let him know about the Mort Sahl interview in case he did not register it.
As far as who first proposed the scenario of Lee Oswald as Prayer Man walking up the front stairwell to reach the 2nd floor lunchroom, I remember Greg took it from me just one day I posted it. It is not that important but I will send you a private message for you to see. However, I was not the one who invented this scenario. It has been discussed right at the start of the original Prayer Man thread ("Oswald leaving TSBD?"), around page 7 of that thread. Sean Murphy fleetingly touched upon this possibility and considered it tight from the timing perspective. It is this "tight" that requires further exploration. There is no realistic chance to reenact different scenarios in the Depository building any longer, and therefore what remains is a computer reconstruction with parametrically adjusted velocities and pauses in movements of individual people. I started this work during the Covid-19 lockdown periods but eventually was unable to complete due to so much load brought about by the new style of teaching at my University.
There is one more catch in Vicki Adams story: if no one has used the stairs or any of the lifts to descend from the sixth floor right after the shooting, how comes that a rifle and spent cartridges were found on the sixth floor? This branch of JFKA case took the most of my time and efforts since I embarked on JFKA research in 2015 with results not strong enough, in my view, to be publicised.
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On 12/30/2023 at 12:40 PM, Marjan Rynkiewicz said:
Read my long explanation of Oswald's use of the stairs earlier in this thread. This is the only solution. No other solution exists or possibly exists.
Re Adams & Styles....... they left the window after say 10 sec. They firstly went to their office lift & then lost another say 10 sec. Then they probly exited the lift area & entered the storage area via a door near their lift (rather than going back into their office & using their office door to enter the storage area). Then once in the storage area they would have klomped to the rear stairs (praps they intended to use the lifts if available)(they were not available). Garner (in the office) would have heard their klomping as they passed along the office/storage wall along the near side of the storage area, & Garner herself then entered the storage area (to look throo the western windows to see the commotion near the grassy knoll carpark).
Adams' & Styles' klomping would have drowned out any noise made by Oswald.
Marjan:
where did you get information about Adams and Styles going first to the lift before heading to the stairwell? This diversion was not mentioned either in her WC testimony or in her exchanges with Barry Ernest, or in the audio recording from 1966 which opened this thread.
I am involved in reconstructing movements of Vicki Adams, alleged Oswald's movements, and the trajectories of Truly and Baker using a computer technology and realistic (measured) time estimates of individual nodes of movements such as opening the door leading from the stairwell to the 2nd floor or durations of descending/ascending a flight of stairs by a male or female. I have been consulting Barry on details of Vicki's and Sandra's departure.
This is what Barry wrote to me in April 2021:
"Vicki estimated she left the window between 15 and 30 seconds after the shots. Both she and Sandra told me they remembered seeing Clint Hill rush to the car, and they started away from the window before the car entered the Triple Underpass. This may be a rather imprecise way of figuring it, but if you look at the single frames of the Z-film, you'll see Hill reach for the limousine's rear hand-hold at about Z-342. The car is close to entering the Underpass at Z-462. That leaves 120 frames which, at an average speed of 18.3 frames per second, gives us 6.5 seconds.
Since Vicki was not included in any of the timed tests, absolutes are difficult."
This conversation led me to assume a 10-second interval between the time of the last shot and Vicki Adams leaving the window on the fourth floor.
The two girls took the shortest possible route to get to the entrance to the stairwell and that route would be shorter than the presumed Oswald's route from the most east corner of the sixth floor plus the time required to stash the rifle among the books. Therefore, there was no chance that Lee Oswald, should he be on the sixth floor, could descend via the stairs ahead of Adams and Styles. In the SS reconstruction of Oswald's movements, agent Howlett (Oswald) was walking while moving from the sniper's nest window to the entrance of the stairwell. In contrast, Vicki and Sandra were running both to reach the stairwell and to descend to the first floor, which adds additional seconds to their advantage.
I have also enquired with Barry about movements of Mrs. Garner. Dorothy Garner moved to the north-west part of the 4th floor immediately after Adams and Styles left. If Oswald would be following the two girls, both girls would hear his steps, and Garner would either see Oswald or for sure hear hist steps. Nothing of this happened.
The only conclusion is that nobody was using the starirwell to escape from the sixth floor in the seconds or a minute elapsing after the last shot.
However, I am not disputing a part of Baker's and Truly's encounter with Lee Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom, albeit in a different scenario. In my view, Lee Oswald went to the 2nd floor from the first floor via the front stairwell once he realised Kennedy has been shot. However, this is for a different thread.
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6 hours ago, Marjan Rynkiewicz said:
He hears Adams & Styles klomping down the stairs in a real hurry on a mission.
Marjan:
your timeline suggests that Adams' and Styles' descending followed Oswald's who already was on the second floor when Adams and Styles started their descend. But Adams and Styles left the 4th floor within about 10 seconds after the last shot and had a shorter path to the stairwell than Oswald who also needed to stash his rifle among the book boxes. Thus, Adams and Styles could only be ahead of Oswald. However, they would be able to hear Oswald if he followed him about three flights of stairs (one flight of stairs takes about 7 seconds to pass) as the stairs produced all kind of noises.
Mrs. Garner moved to the vicinity of the stairwell right after Adams and Styles left and therefore, she was able to register Baker and Truly as they ascended the stairs; this is entirely all right. However, Garner did not hear or see anyone descending the stairs after Adams and Styles left and before Baker and Truly reached the fourth floor.
The only solution to accommodate these circumstances is that nobody was descending through the stairwell after the shooting, neither Oswald nor anyone else.
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There is no possibility in my mind that all Parkland staff, the doctors and nurses, would err in reporting the large gaping hole in the right parietal area. I wondered how could autopsy pictures of Kennedy's head not show a hole corresponding to Parkland staff's reports.
The answer may be that the back of the head in autopsy pictures was manipulated to hide the gaping hole in the right back of Kennedy's head. This could have occurred by matte technology well known and often used for film tricks in 1963.
However, a photographic manipulation may not be perfect and I therefore followed the possibility of residuals of the original head picture could still be retrieved from the altered image.
Here is the method and the result:
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On 11/16/2023 at 3:35 AM, Benjamin Cole said:
I have, in my possession, the Pugibet datebook.
I came across it totally incidentally, and through someone who had no idea of my interest in the JFKA.
Unfortunately, I have signed NDA with a filmmaker, and this datebook will not be available to be authenticated.
Pugibet was behind the wooden fence, armed with CVA Scout v2 pistol, that fires 6.5 WCC rounds. He placed this pistol under his waistband.
Pugibet immediately left the ground behind the wooden stockade, then met a Dallas police officer and then a sheriff, but showed them Secret Service ID. Puginet wrote that into his datebook on 11/24, before it was known to the public that such an encounter had taken place.
The datebook has an 11/20 entry, "Op +'ed by AD" which means the operation was approved by Allen Dulles.
Ben:
when will we be able to see the film presenting Pugibet's story? Will the details (the datebook itself) be made public after the film is out?
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On links between Rothman and Pugibet, and Pugibet's associations with Dallas and Dominican Republic. I apologise for repeated posting in case some has already posted the link to this 2017-release document.
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32299962.pdf
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13 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:
Andrej, could you provide a link to the early forum Bill Shelley thread you mention?
I would really appreciate it.
Also, when looking at that photo of Thomas Beckham that L. Hancock thinks is the Oswald Trade Mart background man I see some discrepancies that seem so obvious to me.
1. The Beckham fellow is much younger looking than Shelley at that time.
2. His hair is much darker than the Trade Mart background photo man. And the Shelley look-a-like man has a paler skin tone.
3. The Trade Mart photo man's face is much, much more boney and cheek sunken in and brow bone protruding than Beckham.
4. Beckham' nose is more pointy on the end than Shelleys. The Trademart man's nose seems more flattened on the end like Shelleys.
5. I don't know what this Beckham fellow did for a living but it looks to me that he is not a "suit and tie" type person.
He looks like a carney more than a suit and tie wearing professional person.
Beckham has a similar hugely high Everly Brothers/Elvis pompadour type hair style true. But I do not see the very prominent "widows peak" top of the forehead hair line Shelley had and the Trade Mart persons hair line seems to also depict. However Beckham's hair does drop down to cover his forehead to obscure any widows peak I admit.
Joe:
I was referring to this thread and Larry's posts within:
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A very impressive piece of work. I wonder if this advanced refutation of the single bullet theory will make any impact on main stream media or law enforcement. There seems to be a large gap between evidence that had been gathered by independent researchers over the years and the legal state of the case which remain the same from the day Lee Oswald was killed.
(I see resemblance between Knott Lab's work and my digital reconstruction of the Depository doorway in using the original photographs as templates which a 3D model must match accurately. Any models not tested for goodness of fit with original image (s) have little value researchwise.)
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47 minutes ago, Alan Ford said:
It's not a superior copy, Mr. Larsen. 'Superior' is just Mr. Stancak's word for images that upset him less.
The print I used from the Weisberg archive (which I found on the prayerman site btw-----one of only two sites Mr. Stancak has said contains images worthy of his expert attention!) is far crisper:
But it's no great odds. Both versions are a disaster for Mr. Stancak's claim.
Incidentally, I took the more blurry frame that Mr. Stancak posted and simply zoomed in. The result is on the left, Mr. Stancak's heavily processed crop, by contrast, on the right---------------
Perhaps Mr. Stancak might share with us what he did to the image?
Unfortunately for him, though, no amount of fiddling with the image can get rid of the thing he knows and we know is such a calamity for his 'right shoulder hidden behind his head' nonsense: the white tshirt.
For Mr. Stancak's posture explanation to have a chance, that white shirt shouldn't be where we see it.
It's the reason I have asked Mr. Stancak to do up a digital model and show us. I'm guessing he won't dare!
Alan:
I reduced the dark tones a bit, basically, increased the contrast, and I sharpened the cropped image very slightly, all using SmartPhotoFix procedure in CorelPainshopPro v. 7. The reason was to show the contour of the right side of Lovelady better. I see no problem with this procedure.
The dark (black) version of Wiegman is of course of much worse quality than the one I downloaded from jfkassassinationgallery.com. In the one I brought, it is possible to see the details in the depth of the doorway which is a prerequisite for figuring out the orientation of Lovelady's body. This version even shows the faint figure of Prayer Man while the "black" copy, which obviously has been arranged by scanning some old print, does not show Prayer Man.
It is a pitty that you cannot understand Lovelady's posture in the cropped views of his body I prepared. It is not that difficult, just try again. But if you think I will spend weeks modelling this Wiegman frame to satisfy you, you are very wrong.
No doubt you really wish to have your blackened-out Oswald next to Lovelady in this frame and there is no reasonable argument that would change your view. So, the thread once again is all yours and I would really appreciate if you and Sandy stopped calling my name or quote me in this thread. If not, I will delete all my posts in this thread.
Consider this: even if the area of this Wiegman frame would somehow be intentionally darkened (which it was not), how can one know who or what was in that area if there is nothing to be seen in there? And, why only this frame was blackened out and not the rest of Wiegman film frames? Maybe it now dawns on you what nonsense are you pursuing.
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28 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:
Oh, I see what you're saying. That the part of Lovelady's over-shirt with his head above it is his shoulder and arm.
I don't think so, Andrej. What you are calling his shoulder and arm is really the right part of his chest.
It can; but the point really is that the posture is natural and entirely possible. No blackening of Lovelady's right side of the body.
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9 hours ago, Alan Ford said:
Lol. Given that you have the person in question's sex wrong, we know how seriously to take your assurance on this point.
Here is 3D model of the man shielding his eyes with his hands for everyone to see and judge how well or poorly it fits the original Altgens6.
I cannot see any feminine features, obesity or dense grey hair in this figure justifying a consideration of Sarah Stanto as a candidate. Can you please highlight the features in Altgens6 which would compell people to accept Sarah Stanton being the man shielding his eyes?
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1 hour ago, Alan Ford said:
But I did robustly criticize his photo-analytical work. Because it's so staggeringly inept.
You have no idea what you are talking about when categorising my work this way.
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1 hour ago, Alan Ford said:
His posture-'explanation' for the darkness down Mr. Lovelady's side remains as absurd as the image itself.
This is now for other people to say. I have laid my arguments, provided an explanation, found another picture of the "black" frame, drew lines around Lovelady's body. It is for everyone to see if Lovelady's right side of the body was masked by blackening to hide the figure of Lee Oswald passing by next to Lovelady.
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1 hour ago, Alan Ford said:
inability to curb his self-confirming subjective impressionism
I am using original pictures and draw any lines in separate panels for the reader to be able to verify the shapes I see. I have implemented a 3D modelling approach to test different hypotheses about the locations, postures and sizes of different people in the doorway. This is a quantitative, objective approach aimed to avoid dicsussion of the sort you fancy.
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1 hour ago, Alan Ford said:
opportunistic habit of favoring inferior images when it suits him
No, I retrieved two full-size images of the frame in question from the jfkassassinationgallery.com and compared them. The one you claim shows a painted-in shadow is of much worse quality than the one I posted today. Nothing has been painted in in any Wiegman frame - if any painting had to make any sense, all Wiegman frames would need to be painted over in the critical area of the doorway but no single one has been. You have no case.
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Some frames of Carpenter's film, e.g. those showing limo's front window, could be of importance if the film could be presented as a high-resolution digital copy.