Gerry Simone

Thanks for your last two responses. You're a scholar and a gentleman!

I may have changed my mind now (lol). Scenario 1 - Kill Team motivated only in ensuring reversal of policy and escalating VietNam War by eliminating JFK. Thus, there's a plan to cover-up multiple shooters ahead of time and blame it on a home-grown Communist nut job without risking self-annihilation from global nuclear warfare. LBJ will implement policy change and not oppose MIC. The Cover-Up team may have included Hoover and LBJ, but it's entirely possible that they read between the lines and tacitly colluded. Scenario 2 - Kill Team motivated by re-taking Cuba and possibly tit-for-tat with the Soviets, including thermonuclear war. No initial plan to cover-up multiple shooters, but the new regime did not buy the foreign conspiracy evidence or didn't care for it, but tacitly welcomed the change. They initiated the cover-up of multiple shooters with the help of certain allies in the military since they weren't going to launch an invasion or missiles.

Whether they blamed it on the Soviets or Cuba (or both), didn't matter. Either was fine back then to the plotters. The USA almost went to war with the Soviets during the CMC. IMHO of course Ron.

Guilty as charged! (Thank you very much - now do we have something or Billy Lovelady? I do have one of Harold Weisberg's book Whitewash which covers the BL issue, but it's stored in a box right now. He may have something in there about Lovelady's height.)

Yes, the right hand going up is discernible but I didn't see the left hand. I might need to study this more over tea and biscuits.

Not to go off topic and only to reply to your detailed post (thank you), I can't see LHO making an attempt on Walker's life if he's trying to prove himself to the CIA. If DAP was handling him, including all of Oswald's other reasons that could make him a low-level agent (Atsugi radar operator, learning Russian, fake defector, etc.), I can't see him diverting his allegiance from his CIA handlers to an oil geologist who was only a contract agent for the CIA at best, to commit an extreme event. I might believe that Oswald did that because he was goaded by GDM with DAP's approval, but there's conflicting evidence as to the ballistics and that others were seen or involved instead of Oswald. I'm familiar with the Lopez Report and Bill Simpich's ebook and paper (I had the pleasure of speaking with him at Lancer too). Don't know about Caufield's book but thank you for mentioning it. Yes, brilliance doesn't mean morally or mentally sound (e.g. Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, etc. etc.). In any event, I've learned something new in this thread started by Paul Brancato, and that is, that the conspiracy all along was not to implicate a lone assassin who was a Communist sympathizer, but to have it blamed on the Soviets, but that didn't sell or couldn't be sold, so Plan B went into effect, and that meant heading off the official autopsy at the pass, so to speak.

"Irrevocable evidence of Communist Complicity" is taken from the ON plan? Wow. Talk about a playbook indeed. (I saw an Italian film in 2003 about the murder of a socialist or communist leader and others during a parade in post-war Italy. The alleged shooter was poisoned to death while in jail before his trial. The "Mark Lane"-type prosecutor who investigated the assassination and called the evidence into question, also postulated a conspiracy involving elites including the CIA's James Jesus Angleton. Angleton was stationed in Italy in earlier days. It certainly raised my eyebrow when I saw that, and I thought "M.O. for the JFK Assassination". The real historical event involved a massacre but the movie's investigation storyline was fictional) http://www.cineuropa.org/nw.aspx?t=newsdetail&l=en&did=36855

Doesn't this go back to the argument about the concern for starting a WWIII expressed by LBJ before the WC is formed? Maybe this also militates LBJ being the mastermind, and that he didn't buy the false flag of Soviet-Cuban complicity in the assassination.

Allen Eaglesham and James Rinnovatore's book, The JFK Assassination Revisited - A Synthesis, is a good book.

BTW, I saw that video. Excellent stuff. Thanks for pointing me to it. I've also seen Pat Speer speak at Lancer twice over the years. He also likes to talk to students of the assassination and attendees outside of the conference room. He's real keen.

Thanks very much for your help Alistair. If PM is holding that cup to his mouth, then it seems that Lovelady is a tad taller. (There must've been many photos taken that day, and I bet there are still some unseen by the public buried in an old photo album in someone's home. If only people knew to check those.)

Thank you for that Cliff. I wonder if Hoover et al got their cue from Mac Bundy? He was the President's National Security Adviser. Very 'appropriate' for him to launch the LN scenario into action. This would be consistent with the notion that the LN scenario was concocted to protect national security.

Morales is one interesting dude. After a few drinks, something might have slipped out of his mouth. Read this fascinating bio by John Simkin => http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKmorales.htm

Hmmmm. Why We Fight

Sorry had to follow up with more info on Morales as being just more than an agent of fortune. He was Chief of Operations at the CIA's Miami Station in 1963 according to Jefferson Morley. Check out paragraph 6. http://jfkfacts.org/top-6-jfk-files-the-cia-still-keeps-secret/

Many seem to be facts supported by a source reference or that are common knowledge. Yes, some are his conclusions or suppositions. Who do you think is the author of the LN scenario? We know that Nicholas Katzenbach wrote a memo on November 25th that stated "The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not have confederates who are still at large; and that evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial." https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Katzenbach_Memo.html Paul Trejo referred to a citation by Wrone that Hoover invented the LN theory on 4 pm November 24th. Here's a memo of a phone call by Hoover before Katzenbach's memo the next day which says the same thing. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?ocId=954#relPageId=475&tab=page (It's interesting to note that Hoover says something about a Conspiracy Charge under Section 2-11 on page two).

I couldn't find a photo demonstrating that (the one I have of PM and BL on the landing has PM in the shadows except for a white or bright coffee cup or mug that he seems to be holding at the level of his chest). Can you assist please? Thanks. P.S. Oh wait a minute. I see the gif above. But it's fast moving and I can't freeze frame in my mind when BL is on the landing to make a height comparison, although at that instant, PM seems to be drinking from that coffee cup or whatever.

I saved it under my JFK PDF files folder, under "Military". Thanks!

A nice summary of incriminating facts indeed, if not suspicious. (Some info new to me). Oswald was posthumously accused of that attempt against Walker, but there are many reasons to doubt that story. http://22november1963.org.uk/did-lee-oswald-shoot-general-edwin-walker The fact that Oswald goes to New Orleans to work with Ferrie at 544 Camp, which was under Banister's control, would make it more unlikely than ever that Oswald was opposed to Walker's views to have made an attempt on his life. There's also circumstantial evidence that Oswald was a fake defector and agent-provocateur including being identified walking with David Atlee Phillips (aka Maurice Bishop) by Antonio Veciana. Then there's the issue of Oswald being impersonated in Mexico City, which was monitored by the CIA, with the alleged disappearance of audio tapes (and I think photographs too) that were within the CIA's control. David Ferrie knew Carlos Marcello (another Mob link), but David Ferrie being involved in the Bay of Pigs invasion cannot preclude him from being at the end of a tentacle of the CIA. All of the latter to me says CIA connection or influence. P.S. BTW, here's a nice article I found on David Ferrie and his many nefarious connections. He was also brilliant it seems. http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/interview-david-ferrie-rick-bauer-jfks-darkest-hour/

Mike, I saw the premier of the Fog of War at the Toronto International Film Festival a few years ago, followed by a Q & A with its director, Errol Morris (who won the Academy Award for best doc btw). I went up him after the Q & A and asked him directly: Did McNamara believe in a conspiracy to assassinate JFK? He paused and said "Ahhhhhhhhh...he doesn't think it was a conspiracy". The way he answered me was a tell tale sign that McNamara kept any suspicions or beliefs about a conspiracy to himself (and maybe didn't want Morris to reveal his true feelings to others either, if he told him so off the record).

I don't think McCone was part of it, but Dulles might have been in the know. Okay then. I agree with you on Phillips and Hunt. Somebody had to handle Oswald. Someone had to pull strings.

Yes, I recall reading that Walter Reed was a choice (if not the 1st) of a location but that it ended being Bethesda, and yes LeMay was at the autopsy chomping on a cigar. Apparently, he was in my home town when the assassination happened. http://jfkfacts.org/a-note-on-curtis-lemays-actions-on-nov-22/

Nice recap but where's the CIA here? (Poppy supposedly was a contract agent, but I'm referring to the likes of Hunt, Sturgis, Morales, etc.)

Well, it was not just a war fought on the battlefield but psychological and propagandist in nature too if not more so.

Talk about the fox guarding the chicken coop.