Ron Ege

2 hours ago, Michael Griffith said:

DLI was not an immersion program. You went to class with native instructors 6-7 hours per day, but then you went back to your barracks and spoke English with everyone else. Your commander and your platoon sergeant were not linguists and spoke only English. All of the support staff with whom you dealt at DLI--the admin and finance staff--were not linguists and were English speakers. DLI was not like Middlebury, which is a true immersion program.

Oswald's scores on the Russian language test recorded in his military records indicate that at that point--February 1959--he had an intermediate-level proficiency in Russian, a solid achievement. I seriously, seriously doubt that he could have achieved that level of proficiency merely by self-study. 

When I went to DLI, the average test scores for those who went through the one-year Russian course were about the same as, or not hugely better than, Oswald's scores. Russian is ranked by the military as a Category IV language, which means it is regarded as one of the hardest languages to learn.  

The fact that Oswald even took the Russian language proficiency test indicates to me that he was in intelligence. When I was in the military, only personnel whose foreign language was required for the MOS (military occupational specialty) were given the language proficiency test in their foreign language, and I never knew of any MOS that required a foreign language that was not in the intelligence field.

Michael, thanks.

My experience, U. S. Air Force (USAF) Security Service, '62-'63, parallels yours.  I worked alongside DLI graduates.  By definition, their assigned Air Force Specialty Code (AFSC) requiring a foreign language most definitely dictated an intelligence assignment.

Along with the specific needs of the USAF, for any enlistee their enlistment aptitude tests' results determined what range of AFSCs they'd qualify for, upon active-duty entry.

Certain lengthy technical assignments would only be made after the potential student passed yet another very specific, to a specific AFSC, aptitude test.  Before making a costly investment sending a troop to a lengthy technical school, the USAF wanted to be fairly certain that he/she would be successful there.

Assignment to the DLI was one of those schools, and the score was made part of the individual's record.

I worked with Army, Navy, and Marine troops who had the equivalent career field code (MOS, NEC, AFSC) that I did, and their scores were in their records.

Odd, Oswald's proficiency test result is on record - but no score for an MOS specific aptitude test.

Greg, interesting conjecture - re what brought Tippit and his killer together.  It certainly makes more sense than the official story.

For me, the killer adding the coup de grace shot makes a lot more sense if the meeting was prescheduled as a hit, with Tippit totally unsuspecting.

For him, "There is no such thing as coincidence, only hitsuzen" - comes to mind.

Greg, thanks.

A superb summation - and great questions.

I read a long time ago Tippit may have been killed by a former/another current paramour of a woman with whom Tippit was having an affair.  Has that theory been 100 percent disproved?  Admittedly, the pretty somewhat obvious coup de grace shot to Tippit's head doesn't seem to quite fit that scenario.

And is there not the theory that Tippit was killed by a fellow police officer?

There are so-o many questions that are left unanswered in the "official story".

Tippit and Mather's association known.  Ruby and Craford's association known.  Ruby's ties to the mob/gunrunning/ Cuba, awareness of the FPCC, and Oswald's ties, also.  Craford and Oswald's links to intelligence.  Goes on and on.

All this explained by Sixth Degrees of Separation?

I've yet to read anything, that makes sense that is, that LHO had the demeanor of cold blooded/no conscience killer that could nonchalantly gun down the POTUS and then just a little later, a police officer - on his way to watch an afternoon matinee.

6 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Yes, that topic has been addressed on this EF many times, though I do not know the best way to search for it. 

In my own view, the idea that mid-level CIA mercenaries and Cubano exiles effected the JFKA as revenge for the perceived BoP betrayal is most likely explanation of the event. 

I also speculate that LHO was part of the Operation Northwoods type plot; his role (he believed) was to shoot at JFK and miss, part of an intentionally failed assassination. Other people shot for real. 

 

Ben, interesting.

Just wondering, and I do understand that it is just your speculation, what your estimated probability of Oswald assuming that role and actually carrying it out on 11/22/63?

'Tis been a long time, but didn't Oswald ask one of his fellow workers that day, something to the effect of, "What is all the commotion (people gathering) about?" - obviously, before the motorcade passed before the TSBD.

And whoever it was, told him that the president was coming, and Oswald allegedly said something like, "I see"?

I agree - it sort of beggars believe that he didn't know; it that conversation did happen, then maybe if it, indeed did, he was just "polishing" his alibi?

I guess I'm "hung up" on how Oswald could've done any shooting with the MC, since I've yet to read any incontrovertible proof that he brought it to work that day or any day previous.  And that's not even getting into the question of whether or not ever actually ordered/had possession of it.

I'm pretty sure someone here - can "straighten me out".

On 9/27/2022 at 3:43 PM, David Lifton said:

"The windshield at NARA is the windshield {that was} in the JFK limo at the time of the assassination" -- so says Pamela Brown.  Her statement, however,   is completely incorrect.  The "first day evidence" makes crystal clear that there was indeed a hole (not some superficial damage) in the windshield.  A through- and- through hole.   Reporter Richard Dudman's statement(s) --plus SS Agent Charles Taylor's official report, dated the evening of 11/22/63 -- makes this clear.  To believe otherwise, one has to ignore what any lawyer or historian would call "the best evidence" --which in this case is quite evident -- and instead subscribe to a false and weak conspiracy hypothesis. 

The limo windshield is critical evidence.  That's why I had it uncrated (back around 1971/72) and spent an hour (at least) examining it.  There is no way that the windshield that I had uncrated --and carefully examined -- is the same windshield that was on the JFK limo in Dallas. 

As I have noted in the past: the assassination happened only one way, once. That is a simple statement of fact.

Either my analysis is correct -- and the windshield was switched (i.e., critical evidence was falsified) --  or my analysis is incorrect, in which case a whole array of critical evidence to the contrary must be ignored. 

If we were in court, I have no doubt that a jury would find in favor of my analysis.  There is no way that the windshield that was on the  JFK limo on Nov. 22, 1963 is the same one that is at the National Archives today.    As SS Agent Roy Kellerman (who had a wry sense of humor) testified before the Warren Commission: "It (the windshield he was presented with) feels "rather smooth" today.  (He actually said that!)

Readers have a simple choice:  either follow the evidence, or subscribe to a weak and insubstantial conspiracy hypothesis.

As someone who had the "archives windshield" uncrated for my personal inspection, and who also interviewed SS Agent Charles Taylor on this subject, there is only one logical and credible answer to this puzzle: the  windshield was switched.  (9/27/22_ 12:45 PM PDT)

David, thank you.

Given everything we come to discover over the past almost six decades, much attributable to your prodigious efforts, I am not understanding the hesitance of some to accept that the windshield was switched.  

Indeed, as you point out, "best evidence" must be ignored/disregarded to stay with the government's alternative.

If the official story were to be factual, would not those in charge have taken extreme close-up, multiple, multiple photographs of the original windshield still installed on the vehicle, from every conceivable angle, from inside and outside, along with reams and reams of scientific analysis that LHO's MC, almost to the exclusion of all other rifles/ammunition caused the damage, thereby proving, incontrovertibly, to the public that ALL the shots could only have been fired by Oswald, from behind the limo?

Certainly, many here are acutely aware of many much more complicated "shenanigans" that were conducted by various entities, as part of the coverup.

"Windshield switching" would seem quite low on the "difficulty scale".

On 9/28/2022 at 5:12 AM, Tony Krome said:

Regardless, that's what he told the WC, and it just so happens to match what Campbell reportedly said. There was no way a reporter knew that a "storage room" existed on the first floor, it had to come from Campbell as indicated.

As far as coming "downstairs", there is the possibility that Oswald left the Domino Room right after he saw Jarman, and took the rear stairs to the 2nd floor. The "commotion" may have been heard from the 2nd floor.

Molina was right by Frazier and he did not see a white helmeted police officer push past his position either. I personally think that Darnell shows Baker running to the corner to check on the fire escape, then he later backtracked.

 

Tony, exactly.

On Aug. 8, 2022, in the "Evidence Oswald was on the on the first floor before and after the shooting" thread, Gil Jesus aptly describes how Oswald could not have been on the second floor, let alone the sixth floor.

There, Gil presented the fact that Truly told Fritz that almost immediately after the shooting, that he, Truly, entered the TSBD with Baker, seeing Oswald "near the first-floor storage room."

Next, Campbell, when asked about his actions immediately after the shots, reported that when he entered, confirming Truly, that was where he, Campbell, saw Oswald.

Then, you adroitly point out that the reporter uses the term "storage room" - when he described his actions, looking for the availability of a phone on the TSBD first floor.

After that, did not Oswald say that he directed someone to a phone, mistakenly, if memory serves, believing it was someone in authority?

Even if, as you suspect, Baker took a quick look at the fire escape before entering the TSBD with Truly, Oswald does not have enough time to rush down from the sixth floor - sight unseen/unheard by anyone.  And one has to completely discount Truly's first day account, in order to believe his later "story'.

As Gil laid out, NO second-floor encounter.

Lastly:

Chief Curry, on Nov. 23, 1963:

"I don't know whether it would be enough to convict him or not. If we can put his prints on the rifle,

that would certainly connect him with the rifle." The FBI evidently put his prints

on the rifle the next day, after his death, in the Miller Funeral Home in Fort Worth"

Chief Curry - Nov. '69:

 "No one has ever been able to put him [Oswald] in the Texas School Book Depository with a rifle in his hand." 

"Wd don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle, AND NEVER DID."

"Case Closed"?  Don't think so.

20 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

Will Fritz was supposedly a master interrogator. And yet he would later comment about how cool Oswald seemed to be, and that this made him suspect Oswald had been trained on how to handle interrogation. I don't normally put too much stock on what Fritz said or didn't say, but I find this quite interesting.

I also, and I'll wager others do, also. 

I don't believe Fritz would make the statement, not having thought through the entirety of his interrogation.  Up close and personal, he noted Oswald's "cool".

And based on video evidence of Oswald' demeanor and answers to the questions during the press "barrage" - interested observers would, I believe, agree with Fritz.  Even without all the pretty obvious evidence which we are now aware of - that LHO had quite a few more "intelligence connections" - than the "average bear" - including most ex-military.

19 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

Eddie Piper actually confirmed his alibi--that he came down and went to the Domino Room. Piper said he saw him around noon, when he, Piper, put his sandwich on the radiator. Piper said Oswald then said something about going up or out. As to Oswald's exact whereabouts at 12:30, that's not exactly clear. Dougherty came down a bit after Oswald and said he saw Oswald in the second floor lunch room, where Carolyn Arnold would later say she saw Oswald and where Oswald was spotted by Baker and Truly at 12:32 or so. So it seems possible Oswald went up to the break room around 12:00 and never came back. 

But we can suspect he did. He said he saw Jarman and Norman walk by the Domino Room, and they testified to doing just that...around 12:15, if I recall. Well, this suggests that Oswald came down around 11:55, got to the Domino Room after everyone else (except perhaps Harold Norman) had left, sat around for a minute until Piper came in, then went up to get a Coke. He then sat around in that lunch room for a few minutes, at which time he was spotted by Dougherty and then Arnold. He then went back downstairs and perhaps went outside for a minute or two before going back to the Domino Room, where he saw Jarman and Norman pass. A few minutes later, the shots rang out. But Oswald didn't hear them, and he went up to get another Coke. Where he was confronted by Baker and Truly. 

Now...if this is so... It seems possible this was no accident... It seems possible Oswald was on the lookout for someone at the back of the building. He could see anyone come in the back door from the Domino Room, and he could see anyone go up from the lunch room. 

Well, here's a fresh thought. Perhaps Oswald had been warned that something was gonna happen, and was trying to stop it. But he messed up because the shooter had spent the night in the building, hiding up on the seventh floor. 

 

Pat, 

Your last thought ". . . Perhaps Oswald had been warned that something was gonna happen . . . "

Does that take us back to perhaps, as has been theorized, Oswald being set up as a part of a false flag operation - and what you have hypothesized was perhaps his perplexed behavior when he began to realize that there was more going on, whatever he had been told (that "need to know" thing), than he was led to believe?

LHO's behavior upon leaving the TSBD and what has been pieced together between then and his arrest at the Texas Theatre bespeaks of him purposely driven by the then extant circumstances, as he viewed them to be, to adopt a prearranged contingency plan - only to eventually determine (his arrest) that he'd "been had".

Hence, "I'm just a patsy."

IMHO, at the tender age of 24, demonstrably, especially considering being charged with the shooting of a police officer and the POTUS, his overall behavior, from the arrest until he was gunned down, rivaled that of "007's" calm, cool, and collectiveness - when Bond found himself suddenly caught up in yet another of his not necessarily expected jams". 

41 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:

David, thanks.

Perhaps I am understanding.  Are you meaning by ". . . even WITH the Single-Bullet theory intact", as you proffer it and believe to be?

Apparently, I'm not "firing on all cylinders" because if the CTers believed the SBT was intact, they could not be such and therefore could not pretend there was a Badge Man - or am I missing something?

Could a CTer be that much "out of it" - really?

17 hours ago, Tony Krome said:

During Oswald's first interview, the obvious questions were asked, like where were you?, What were you doing? No need to repeat here what was reported.

During the lunch period (12:00 to 12:45) there was a good chance that someone was sitting in the 1st floor lunchroom that wasn't interested in being outside waiting for the motorcade that could destroy Oswald's claims.

Dougherty was one such person. He was in the Domino Room, wasn't interested in the motorcade, and would have been there if he hadn't decided to go back to work early.

Then we have Oswald claiming to see Jarman at the time Jarman himself said he was entering the rear door in the minutes before the motorcade.

 

Gil Jesus did a nice job (Evidence that Oswald was on the first floor), pinpointing LHO's whereabouts, just prior to the assassination.

Was Lee Harvey Oswald Really Guilty (gil-jesus.com)

And didn't LHO even say that he saw two Negroes when he was in/near Domino room, one of whose names he didn't know and whose admissions as to where they were at the time, tracked with what Oswald said?

Cool assassin, that Ozzie.  Waits until nearly the last minute before he skedaddles up to the sixth floor - which had to be much after witnesses would eventually report seeing someone in the "sniper's lair".  Meanwhile, we have Gil's multiple witnesses placing him on the first floor.

4 hours ago, Sean Coleman said:

I could’ve sworn I saw a SBT posting yesterday-that has since vanished-and dug out this pic to post as a wordless rebuke. Since the posting is no more I’ll post the pic anyway, it’s pretty self explanatory.

I don’t know about you chaps but if ever I have to begin to explain the hilarity of the nonsense in the WR to a mildly interested person, I always lead with good ole CE399, the magic bullet…Arlen Specter’s SBT. Which was introduced as a plan B coz James Tague popped up!! What a swerve!

Sean,

Is this perhaps where you dug out the photograph?

Warren Commission Exhibit CE-399 - The Magic Bullet (jfk-info.com)

In another thread, "JFK Secret Service Agent: hole in windshield of limo!", there is a discussion about the "magic bullet's" 6.5 MM ammunition velocity dynamics, suggesting that its gradually reduced velocity, as it passed first through JFK, then through Connally's chest, striking his rib, before passing through his wrist could've accounted for the apparent minimal damage, i. e., the "pristine" appearance of the round.

If that's possible, I am looking forward to the discussion of how CE 572, being shot into cotton wadding and therefore, seemingly, not incurring the exact same gradual velocity reduction scenario, managed to look almost identical to CE 399.  

Perhaps one of the physicists among us will be able to share a "compare and contrast" study with us? 

13 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

Would love to read another take on these pristine bullet velocity dynamics stated by Mr. BB and whether they are credibly sound scientifically.

Joe, I as well - but then, just ma-a-ybe we really not concern ourselves with further elucidation - since the assassination is all wrapped up here: LOL.

See This Sniper Rifle? It Was Used To Assassinate President John F. Kennedy | The National Interest

2 hours ago, Sean Coleman said:

I could’ve sworn I saw a SBT posting yesterday-that has since vanished-and dug out this pic to post as a wordless rebuke. Since the posting is no more I’ll post the pic anyway, it’s pretty self explanatory.

I don’t know about you chaps but if ever I have to begin to explain the hilarity of the nonsense in the WR to a mildly interested person, I always lead with good ole CE399, the magic bullet…Arlen Specter’s SBT. Which was introduced as a plan B coz James Tague popped up!! What a swerve!

Sean, thanks.

Have seen before - just not in the exact format you've presented.

Is it not amazingly explanatory how CE 399 and CE572 appear quite nearly the same?

Weren't there additional examples of rounds being fired through a goat's rib, with CE 583 selected as the one least affected?

If one were not convinced there was some "chicanery" afoot already, then CE 856 should remove all doubt.

Anyway, there is this.

Edgewood Arsenal Bullet Tests : The JFK Assassination (22november1963.org.uk)

We may hear from detractors.

16 hours ago, Marjan Rynkiewicz said:

Shot-1 at pseudo Z103-113 that hit the signal arm was not difficult -- anyone could have dunnit.

Shot-2 at Z218 hit jfk in the back, a few inches off center, a good shot, he had had over 5 seconds to reload & aim using the Carcano steel sights, & jfk was going away rather than across, almost a stationary target -- anyhow one good shot duznt prove much.

Oswald decided not to fire his remaining bullet -- which would have been fired at about Z313 -- Oswald had already stood up & back from the window at Z313 -- & he saw Hickey blow jfk's head apart at Z313-- anyhow Oswald must have been happy with his shot-2 -- alltho that duznt make much sense koz i feel sure that Oswald could not have been sure whether or where he might have hit jfk -- there was no explosion of blood & guts -- almost no obvious reaction from jfk -- just a slight raising of his hands & a slight lean forward -- so why did Oswald decide not to fire again -- a mystery -- praps Oswald suddenly went into flight mode.

OK - got it! 👌

7 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Ron,

I'm not sure precisely when the CIA assassination plot ended and the Johnson Administration cover-up began. But the Walker accusation presumably came quite a while after 11/22/63. Which seems to suggest that the cover-up artists developed that piece of fakery after the assassination in an effort to paint Oswald as a violent man.

But now that you mention it and I've put more thought into it, I'm less sure of that. It seems reasonable that the assassination plotters could have had someone taking a pot-shot at Walker for the same purpose -- to paint him as a violent man.

But one thing I do believe for sure is that Oswald didn't take that shot. There is no reason to believe he was a violent man. (I've shown elsewhere that he wasn't a wife beater.)

 

Sandy,

Thank you.  I concur with all.

If I remember, some of LHO's fellow marines referred to him as "Oswaldskovitch" because of his intense display of support for all things Russia and Marxism/communism.

By the by, good luck with that "act" - especially as a U. S. Marine with a secret security clearance and yet continuing on active duty.

Someone was "winking and nodding".  Otherwise, he would've been "out on his ear" from the Corp.

My service, the USAF wouldn't have tolerated it - and for sure - nor would the USMC.

Your apt take that he was not a violent man fits his other nickname "Ozzie Rabbit".  A John Wayne stereotype marine, Oswakd was not.

Maybe you've run across one, but I'm stilling looking for that first "violent" rabbit. 

On 9/22/2022 at 9:31 AM, Marjan Rynkiewicz said:

I have seen a photo showing a hole in the floor. Robyn Unger has seen it too, but has not included it on his website.

I have seen an FBI internal letter re the hole in the floor.

There is a newspaper report re the hole in the floor, but i have not been able to find that snippet.

I suppose that Ferguson kept the piece of carpet with the hole, & kept it a secret.

The floor of the limo will still have the hole, but u would need to get under to see the hole, steel plate (i dont think that it was titanium) was installed on top of the floor hence u wont see the hole from above.

The hole was made by the remnant slug from Oswald's shot-1 at say Z113 that ricocheted offa the western side of the western guy rod of the overhead signals below his window.

Holland says it was at Z103 i think. I am happy to split the difference -- Z108.

The 2 broken half jackets (brass or copper) found in the limo are from shot-1.

Some of the lead splatter from shot-1 hit jfk in the back of the head -- vizible in Xrays.

That (Z103 108 113) is when jfk said my god i have been hit -- as per what Kellerman said.

But jfk apparently got over the shock in a few seconds & somehow for some reason carried on as if nothing had happened. Bad move.

Oswald fired shot-2 at about Z218 -- the magic bullet that went throo jfk & Connally.

Oswald did not use the telescopic sight. And he made 3 holes, 1 in jfk, 1 in Connally, & one in the limo.

Marjan.

I am curious to when, where, and how Oswald was able to develop the shooting skill that he was alleged to have demonstrated that day - especially since world class, expert riflemen (snipers some, with "nerves of steel") were unable to replicate it.

Developing such skills, would've taken untold hours upon hours of practice and beaucoup ammunition - neither of which Oswald was ever known or been reported to have had.

Two USMC rifle qualification opportunities at non-moving targets, the last being well before 11/22/63, would hardly have "done the trick".  Oswald also would've needed a similar "moving target" during his "practice sessions".

58 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

When I listen to Oswald speak I hear no accent at all. Though he does occasionally say a word the way a southerner would.

I live in Utah and used to live in California. I hear no accent in either place or in most American movies and TV shows. I think the accent is referred to a "general American" or "standard American."

I think I once heard Oswald say "aks" instead of "ask." I had only heard black people say it that way before, and that was in California. Maybe that comes from the south.

 

Sandy,

Agree with the "no accent".  Interesting, interplay of his time in TX, NY, and LA, and  . . . . ?  Apparently, that combination "erased" any of the usual accents we've come to know.

I lived in IN, AZ, CA, TX, MS, SC, ND, MD, MI, GA, OH, and WA.  Have traveled extensively and spent at least a little bit of time in the rest of the states.

Teaching middle school for 17 years here in northern IN, most of the Black students said "aks" for "ask".  I've never heard it anywhere else, unless it was an unintentional misspeak, and the person always corrected it right away.  So, I'm thinking that it is simply an ingrained part of the regional dialect.

In the kids' defense, I often hear, "I doe not" for "I do not" - and it goes uncorrected by the person - many of whom are well-educated - some are even TV and/or radio announcers.

When I lived in Charleston, SC, in the early-mid '60s, my landlord spoke Geech.  After knowing the man two and a half years, I still understood only half of what he said.

I see Oswald as being articulate, especially considering his level of formal education.  It's one thing to read extensively, therefore building a reading and listening vocabulary.  Incorporating that into a speaking vocabulary takes some practice.  

1 hour ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Ron,

Oswald had no idea that he was was being set up by the CIA. Recall that it wasn't even him in Mexico City seemingly plotting with the Cubans and Russians.

As you probably know, everything in the CIA is compartmentalized, and each agent or asset is told only what they "need to know" to accomplish their jobs. Oswald had no need to know about the assassination plot that he was involved in, so he wasn't told.

 

37 minutes ago, Sean Coleman said:

Great summation 🤠

Agree.

Absolutely aware of the compartmentalization.

Just wasn't sure if Sandy ruled out any Oswald foreknowledge of the plot.

So, assuming he was set up for that, isn't it also possible that the alleged Walker shooting was also contrived, again, as part of the "Oswald Myth".  Yes, I know that too remains contentious. 

It's one thing to follow orders, masquerading as a FPCC "official" so as to gain intelligence about that organization - but to me, considering Oswald's history relative to his personality/behavior/demeanor, to leap from that to - "Sure boss.  I'll go get rid of that pesky-wing ex general for ya".  Well, . . . .  

Since Ruby was so "helpful" during the press conference, regarding the organization's correct name, maybe he talked Ozzie into it?  🤪

LHO seemed smart enough to realize that he'd be taking the chance that he himself would be shot, during or after the attempt, or in the least, be arrested and tried for attempted murder.

So much then, for watching his daughters grow up.

Setting him up for the JFK Assassination surely was more complicated than implicating him for the Walker attempt.

I guess it depends on one's sense of humor. 

Anyhow, if valid, then for me the scenario is at least, interesting.

Going from memory, was it not reported by someone that Oswald sat next to two people, maybe three, one being a pregnant woman - moving from seat to seat, in a what, 600 seat theatre, with roughly 20 patrons.

Can any of our more learned members provide a link?

14 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Can you be more specific, Ron? Do you mean specifically the false flag operation I posted above? If not, can you give an example of what you mean?

And what do you mean by "believe in?" Are you asking if Oswald would believe the false flag operation would achieve its goal? Are you asking if Oswald would trust the plotters, that the false flag operation wouldn't implicate him?

 

Sandy, thanks.

Yes, your false flag example.

Yes, to goal, trust, and implication.

6 minutes ago, Tony Krome said:

Thanks Ron. I have no shots fired from the SN. Cheers

👌

5 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

One thing's for sure, and that is that Oswald had no idea JFK was going to be assassinated. Everything in the CIA is compartmentalized and there was no need for Oswald to know. And so... he didn't.

 

Sandy,

Do you see Oswald naive enough to have believed in a false flag op as presented by whomever, therefore participating in it, seeing it as his duty to do so?

Whether or not he was involved, I would agree that he did not know that JFK would actually be assassinated.  When he realized - oops - time for that, "made up on the fly escape plan". 

15 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

We know from the Mexico City charade that the goal of the plotters (besides getting rid of soft-on-commies traitor JFK) was to have Cuba and Russia blamed for the killing. In order to do that, they needed to provide a trail for the FBI investigators to follow, from the shooting back to the Cubans and Russians. That is what Oswald was for.

The FBI quickly got word after the shooting that Lee Oswald had been in touch with KGB agents in Mexico City, one being chief of assassinations. So at first the FBI thought that the Cubans and Russians were sponsoring the assassination, and that Oswald was involved.

Someone in the Johnson Administration realized that this was going to lead to an international incident, likely a war. So they nipped that in the bud and said Oswald alone was to blame. That was the start of the government cover-up.

In order to blame Oswald, the government had to fabricate documents showing that he had bought the rifle.

I don't know what Oswald's instructions were, but clearly he was supposed to meet someone in the theater.

Once you figure out the above, a lot of things become clear. It was an intelligence operation, of course. The evidence indicates it was a CIA operation.

The whole operation had to be planned. The shooters had to be in position and Oswald had to be working in a place along the motorcade route. How could the CIA accomplish that? First, they had to have had influence over the person planning the motorcade route. Next, they had to get Oswald a job in a suitable place.

The TSBD must have been a CIA front. A CIA employee working at the TSBD must have offered the job to Oswald. And a CIA handler had to have instructed Oswald to take the job.

 

Most everything that happened after the assassination was a part of the Johnson Administration's cover-up. They fabricated the false documentation showing that Oswald ordered the gun.

 

Sandy, your take makes a great deal more sense than the official version - and it is not complicated.  Thanks.

1 hour ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

Or, quite simply, he ordered the rifle, carried it into the Book Depository and used it to assassinate President Kennedy. No hoodwinking or plotting necessary.

If the evidence showed that is what happened, beyond a reasonable doubt, I would agree.  Unless someone can provide that, I am going to remain skeptical of that scenario.  I believe there is enough reasonable doubt to preclude it.  We'll agree to disagree.  

46 minutes ago, Tony Krome said:

I'd like your opinion on this; If you were hanging out a 5th floor window diagonally below the Sniper's Nest watching the motorcade, and a high powered rifle was fired 3 times from the SN, is it possible that you could describe the sounds as coming from somewhere below? Thanks

Absolutely not.  

From military shooting and now pleasure shooting at the target range experience, my ears would be ringing, big time. 

Making the alleged shots in the time allotted, by a basically non-experienced shooter, with an antiquated difficult to operate bolt action rifle, along with a misaligned scope, at a moving target on a down grade is a nonstarter.  One would have to be that well known "bridge buyer" to believe it.

Anybody who would say that is well - making things up.