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Look at this:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/27/...ence/index.html
Is anyone else disturbed by the fact that Goss, who is now under suspicion in relation to Kennedy's death could be given more power than ever if he becomes the DCI?
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Paul,
Many researchers suggest that in this photo, the westernmost window contains the faintly visible face and upper body of a man looking down towards the street.
In the two photos posted by Larry, the larger one depicts the cropped photo, which does not include the window containing the man. The bottom picture includes the window and the faintly visible man. You should see the man in the bottom half of the window with his face looking in the direction from which this photo was taken. To the right of the head of the man you can see a light (from a lamp in the ceiling).
Oh, thanks for clarifiying. But it looks like a man with a very elongated face and long hair.
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Yes. I said policemen were on the Triple Underpass. But they were not behind the picket fence turning people away.
Now I am lost. Who said that there were policeman behind the fence turning people away? If you are talking about Gordon Arnold - he was met near the underpass at the steam pipe and he was turned away. Considering the timing of the event and the age description given by Austin Miller - there is a chance that we are talking about one in the same event. Gordon said that he then started easing his way along the fence and the same man told to him to get all the way out of the RR yard.
Arnold said he later walked away from the pipe and walked over to the fence. He was then chased away again. Altgens wasn't chased from behind the fence, he was forced from the Underpass.
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Paul Kerrigan wrote:
And why is no policeman described by Lee Bowers, whom we know was actually in Dealey Plaza?
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Mr. BALL. Did you see anyone standing on the triple underpass?
Mr. BOWERS. On the triple underpass, there were two policemen. One facing each direction, both east and west. There was one railroad employee, a signal man there with the Union Terminal Co., and two welders that worked for the Fort Worth Welding firm, and there was also a laborer's assistant furnished by the railroad to these welders.
Mr. BALL. You saw those before the President came by, you saw those people?
Mr. BOWERS. Yes; they were there before 'and after.
Mr. BALL. And were they standing on the triple underpass?
Mr. BOWERS. Yes; they were standing on top of it facing towards Houston Street, all except, of course, the one policeman on the west side.
Mr. BALL.. Did you see any other people up on this high ground ?
Yes. I said policemen were on the Triple Underpass. But they were not behind the picket fence turning people away.
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Oswald was spotted in or around the lunch room at 11:55 (by one of the gentlemen referred to above) and 12:15 (Carolyn Arnold) and 12:32 (Officer Baker).
Actually the 12:15 p.m. time attributed to Carolyn Arnold was done by the FBI. That would be the same FBI who told Arnold Rowland that they weren't interested in the other man seen on the 6th floor, the same FBI that changed Mrs. Hartman's statement that the furrow in the grass leading back to the TSBD rather than the knoll, that would be the same FBI that discouraged O'Donnell and Dave Powers from mentioning they heard a shot from the right front of the President. In the one Carolyn Arnold statement that were of her own words - the time that she gave was 12:25 p.m., well after other people were being seen on the 6th floor - one if them holding a rifle. Mark Oakes filmed an interview with Ronald Fischer, an assassination witness, who told Mark that when he was telling Commission attorney Belin what the man with the rifle looked like, Belin would stop the deposition and complain that his description wasn't matching Lee Oswald. It seems Fischer described a man in a light colored or white polo shirt or T-shirt with light sandy colored hair. It should be noted that the Warren Commission used Dillard's photo of the TSBD taken just seconds after the rifle was pulled back into the window, but the Commission for some unexplained reason shows the photo with the far west window of the 6th floor being cropped off. Look below at the 6th floor westmost window of the TSBD from an ucropped Dillard print that many, including myself, believe the Warren Commission didn't want anyone to see. The clip comes from Lancer's site.
What is that in the western window? I don't see anything.
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There were two Dallas Police Officers who were told to turn away people on the Triple Underpass. These are the people who turned James Altgens away. But Arnold insists that he was turned away by a federal agent when he was behind the picket fence.
And why is no policeman described by Lee Bowers, whom we know was actually in Dealey Plaza?
And by the way, Ralph Yarborough does not confirm Arnold's story. When Yarborough was interviewed in 1993 by historian David Murph, Yarborough denied seeing someone drop down on the Grassy Knoll. He insisted, “Remember where I was in the motorcade — with the Johnsons, too far back to have been able to see anyone [on the knoll] drop to the ground when firing began.”
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Even in the confusion of the moment, you would think that someone would notice a crying policeman holding a large gun kicking a man in uniform.
Arnold said that he was forced off the knoll by a federal agent. But only shortly before the alleged Arnold encounter, Associated Press photographer James Altgens walked through the same area looking for a good vantage point. No one approached him or told him to leave.
And if a policeman actually took his camera after the assassination, why didn't he bother to take Zapruder's, which would have only been a few yards away?
Look at the disparity between the relative size of the President's head compared to Bobby Hargis and that of Gordon Arnold and "Badgeman." There is such an obvious difference even though the figures are about the same distance apart.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/arnold2/hargiscomp.jpg
And why does the white wall appear as a sea of gauze and fuzz while Arnold and the "Badgeman" are clearly defined? This is a photographic impossibility.
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Why is Gordon Arnold not seen in any other film of the assassination and why has no witness ever reported seeing a crying policeman robbing a man in uniform in broad daylight?
Gordon Arnold in his uniform and overseas hat can be seen in other photos and films if you know what to look for. Keep in mind that Gordon Arnold entered the walkway by means of the RR yard and left the way he came. One cannot expect there to be photos of him as he laid on the ground. The Towner photo captured the two Cops standing over him near the tree IMO. A couple of he Bond photos, when lightened show someone in light clothing rising up above the wall near the two cops. One halfway decent example of what appears to be Gordon is shown below. Note the wide "V" shape of the base of the hat - a classic characteristic of an overseas cap.
But why is the policeman never mention by any witness? No witness can verify Arnold's story.
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No, it was very difficult for Kennedy to concentrate on the Civil Rights issue. Although he gave his support to the Civil Rights movement during his campaign, he found that public opinion polls in 1960 and 1961 showed that when people were asked "What needs to be done in America to advance society?" Civil Rights were not very high on the list.
International issues also made it rather difficult for Kennedy to focus on domestic issues. The attention Kennedy did give to the problems at home were mostly for improving health care and helping the lowest income workers. Kennedy did see this as a way to help African-Americans since he knew that his interest in those two issues would be good for both races.
Kennedy did make a few small contributions to the Civil Rights movement which included:
* Appointing more blacks to federal government posts. He appointed 40 to senior federal government positions including five as federal judges
*Appointing Robert Kennedy as head of the Justice Department which would eventually bring 57 lawsuits against local officials for obstructing the African-American's right to vote
*Blocking Washington Redskins stadium from use until the team signed black players
*The creation of CEEO (Commission on Equal Employment Opportunity) whose job was to ensure that all employees of the federal government received equal employment opportunities
But in many ways, Kennedy was powerless. If he helped blacks in the South, he would have lost support of the powerful Democrats there but if he had done nothing, he would have been condemned worldwide. If he helped blacks in the North, the white majority would have felt that there problems were being ignored while blacks' problems were being addressed.
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I'm hoping that more people will find out the truth about this hoaxer. I've been denouncing him from the beginning.
By the way, it is great to have the forum back!
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I don't buy into the theory that only two spent shells were found in the so-called "Sniper's Nest." This theory ignores the testimony of both C. N. Dhority, Captain Fritz and the photographic evidence.
PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION ON THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
AFFIDAVIT
STATE OF TEXAS,
County of Dallas, ss:
Before me, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared J. W. Fritz, Dallas Police Department, who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says: I wish to supplement the evidence given by me on Wednesday, April 20, 1964, before the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy, as follows:
The Spent Rifle Hulls
Three spent rifle hulls were found under the window in the southeast corner of the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building, Dallas, Texas, on the afternoon of November 22, 1963. When the officers called me to this window, I asked them not to move the shells nor touch them until Lt. Day of the Dallas Police Department could make pictures of the hulls showing where they fell after being ejected from the rifle. After the pictures were made, Detective R. M. Sims of the Homicide Bureau, who was assisting in the search of building, brought the three empty hulls to my office. These were delivered to me in my office at the police headquarters. I kept the hulls in an envelope in my possession and later turned them over to C. N. Dhority of ,the Homicide Bureau and instructed him to take them to Lt. Day of the Identification Bureau. I told Detective Dhority that after these hulls were checked for prints to leave two of them to be delivered to the FBI and to bring one of them to my office to be used for comparison tests here in the office, as we were trying to find where the cartridges had been bought. When Detective Dhority returned from the Identification Bureau, he returned the one empty hull which I kept in my possession. Several days later, I believe on the night of November 27, Vince Drain of the FBI called me at home about one o'clock in the morning and said that the Commission wanted the other empty hull and a notebook that belonged to Oswald. I came to the office and delivered these things to the FBI. We have Mr. James P. Hosty's receipt for these items in our report.
Mr. BALL. Now, did Captain Fritz give you some rifle shells to deliver to somebody?
Mr. DHORITY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. About what time of the night or day was that?
Mr. DHORITY. I don't recall when it was, but, from his office there I took them up to the crime lab.
Mr. BALL. Were there three spent 6.5 rifle shells, is that right?
Mr. DHORITY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you return any shells to Captain Fritz?
Mr. DHORITY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. All of them or one of them?
Mr. DHORITY. No; he told me to bring him one back.
Mr. BALL. You brought one back in an envelope?
Mr. DHORITY. Yes.
So we now know that at one spent round was separated from the others in the chain of evidence for a little while.
Now read the testimony of J. C. Day:
Mr. BELIN. All right. You have mentioned these three hulls. Did you put any initials on those at all, any means of identification?
Mr. DAY. At that time they were placed in an envelope and the envelope marked. The three hulls were not marked at that time. Mr. Sims took possession of them.
Mr. BELIN. Well, did you at any time put any mark on the shells?
Mr. DAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. All right. Let me first hand you what has been marked as "Commission Exhibit," part of "Commission Exhibit 543-544," and ask you to state if you know what that is.
Mr. DAY. This is the envelope the shells were placed in.
Mr. BELIN. How many shells were placed in that envelope?
Mr. DAY. Three.
Mr. BELIN. It says here that, it is written on here, "Two of the three spent hulls under window on sixth floor."
Mr. DAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Did you put all three there?
Mr. DAY. Three were in there when they were turned over to Detective Sims at that time. The only writing on it was, "Lieut. J. C. Day." Down here at the bottom.
Mr. BELIN. I see.
Mr. DAY. "Dallas Police Department," and the date.
Mr. BELIN. In other words, you didn't put the writing in that says, "Two of the three spent hulls."
Mr. DAY. Not then. About 10 o'clock in the evening this envelope came back to me with two hulls in it. I say it came to me, it was in a group of stuff, a group of evidence, we were getting ready to release to the FBI. I don't know who brought them back. Vince Drain, FBI, was present with the stuff, the first I noticed it. At that time there were two hulls inside.
I was advised the homicide division was retaining the third for their use. At that time I marked the two hulls inside of this, still inside this envelope
This could account for the erroneous FBI reports.
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Why is Gordon Arnold not seen in any other film of the assassination and why has no witness ever reported seeing a crying policeman robbing a man in uniform in broad daylight?
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It's an interesting story but I don't believe Files was the shooter.
Paul,
Your are entitled to whatever you believe.
Wim
As are you.
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It's an interesting story but I don't believe Files was the shooter.
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My Year 10 (aged 14-15) are now starting on a piece of coursework: 'Why is JFK remembered so positively?'. I have attached the questions they came up with in groups. Answers and different views from experts would be great for when we start back in September or for pupils to look at over the Summer.
Question: Did JFK play the key role in ending the Cuban Missile Crisis? Was the final decision his or did he follow advice from others?
The final decision always rests with the President. As Harry Truman said, "The buck stops here"--he can't pass it any higher. Of course, the President always relies on advisors before making decisions. Most of JFK's advisors recommended military action against Cuba, an armed invasion, but we know now that this would have triggered the use of battlefield nuclear weapons against the U.S. mainland, and resulted in countless deaths. Fortunately, JFK took the advice of a minority, including his brother Robert, who recommended a naval blockade, and this turned the crisis around. Had he simply followed the advice of the majority, there would likely have been a nuclear war.
Martin Shackelford
You really believe the President is as high as you can go? I suppose in our original democracy that would have been true.
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Yes, he is a great researcher when it comes to the Kennedy Assassination. But his ultra-conservative views make me sad. I'm glad that he has faith in something but it angers me that he tries to use that faith in order to justify Bible readings in school or ban gay marriage.
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Kennedy had stood eye to eye with Khrushchev and once again, the Soviet backed down. Compromises were made behind the scenes on both sides but Khrushchev was publicly humiliated. Kennedy made sure not to rub it in Khrushchev's face. He also ordered his advisors to excercise restraint and urged them not to call this an American victory.
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In my opinion, the theory that "the Mafia killed President Kennedy" on their own, or even at the behest of others, is one of the biggest "red herrings" in the JFK assassination literature. END
As is the theory, "the anti-Castro Cubans did it." The Cuban exiles didn't have the money or the power to pull this off.
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I believe the route was changed in the week ahead of the assassination, but not "last minute" or the day before, like is suggested in the movie JFK. Most likely before Tuesday 19 November.
Anyway, When Files left for Dallas a week before, he was told the route went through Dealey Plaza and the hit was on a "fast moving target". Roselli informed him on the mornig of the assassination they had only made one change, the zigzag over Elm Street.
One more thing: If Files would be "well informed" from any other sources than himself, he would surely have been aware of the controversy of the motorcade route change and not have "weaved" it into his story.
Wim
No, the route was planned months in advance. You have to turn onto Houston and then Elm in order to get on the Stemmon's Freeway from Main Street. If you would keep going down Main, you would have to drive over a concrete divider which would have been impossible for press buses in the motorcade.
Look what the Warren Commission said:
"To reach the Trade Mart from Main Street the agents [Lawson and Sorrels] decided to use the Stemmons Freeway (Route No. 77), the most direct route. The only practical way for westbound traffic on Main Street to reach the northbound lanes of the Stemmons Freeway is via Elm Street, which Route No. 77 traffic is instructed to follow in this part of the city. Elm Street was to be reached from Main by turning right at Houston, going one block north and then turning left onto Elm. On this last portion of the journey, only 5 minutes from the Trade Mart, the President's motorcade would pass the Texas School Book Depository Building on the northwest corner of Houston and Elm Streets. . . .
The Elm Street approach to the Stemmons Freeway is necessary in order to avoid the traffic hazards which would otherwise exist if right turns were permitted from both Main and Elm into the freeway. To create this traffic pattern, a concrete barrier between Main and Elm Streets presents an obstacle to a right turn from Main across Elm to the access road to Stemmons Freeway and the Dallas-Fort Worth Turnpike. This concrete barrier extends far enough beyond the access road to make it impracticable for vehicles to turn right from Main directly to the access road. A sign located on this barrier instructs Main Street traffic not to make any turns. In conformity with these arrangements, traffic proceeding west on Main is directed to turn right at Houston in order to reach the Dallas-Fort Worth Turnpike, which has the same access road from Elm Street as does the Stemmons Freeway."
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Stop it? Kennedy approved the CIA plan to invade Cuba. He had no intention of stopping the invasion. Kennedy was a Cold Warrior after all.
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If I recall corectly, the extra shirt was not Tippit's size? Then the real question is as to whether or not the shirt was the size normally worn by his partner, with whom he should have been with that day, if, as I've heard, Tippit hadn't called him and requested that he call in sick.
Otherwise, I'd agree that Badgeman would make the most sense.
Tippit's behavior that day was highly unusual, and it's difficult to believe he was not involved in some fashion. Its a good thing that Lee Harvey Oswald left his wallet at the scene of the crime. I'm sure it must have been nudged loose when he took the pistol from his windbreaker pocket.
It's ironic to note that JD was recorded by history as a hero, and that even some of the proceeds [half?] received by Zapruder for his infamous film went to Tippit's widow. There was a newsreel [maybe it's in TMWKK?] concerning the thousands of donations that poured in to the hero's family.
www.jdtippit.com is interesting to view also.
I'm not at all convinced on the Badgeman shape. Look at it closely. The white wall looks like a sea of gauze and fuzz. But a shape standing far back from the fence is clearly defined, a photographic impossibility. But if the figure is real, he would have to be elevated on a car bumper in order to have his chest come up above the five foot fence. Why would an assassin do that if he wanted to get a good shot but didn't want to be seen.
Look at this picture comparing "Gordon Arnold" to the Badgeman figure. Only one of these figures can be real, Arnold or Badgeman. But if one figure isn't real, it puts the other figure in serious doubt.
Isn't it possible that Black Dog man was actually Gordon Arnold before he hit the deck?
The "Black Dog Man" figure is right up against the white wall while Gordon Arnold says he stood a good few feet back from it. Look at his position in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy."
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If I recall corectly, the extra shirt was not Tippit's size? Then the real question is as to whether or not the shirt was the size normally worn by his partner, with whom he should have been with that day, if, as I've heard, Tippit hadn't called him and requested that he call in sick.
Otherwise, I'd agree that Badgeman would make the most sense.
Tippit's behavior that day was highly unusual, and it's difficult to believe he was not involved in some fashion. Its a good thing that Lee Harvey Oswald left his wallet at the scene of the crime. I'm sure it must have been nudged loose when he took the pistol from his windbreaker pocket.
It's ironic to note that JD was recorded by history as a hero, and that even some of the proceeds [half?] received by Zapruder for his infamous film went to Tippit's widow. There was a newsreel [maybe it's in TMWKK?] concerning the thousands of donations that poured in to the hero's family.
www.jdtippit.com is interesting to view also.
I'm not at all convinced on the Badgeman shape. Look at it closely. The white wall looks like a sea of gauze and fuzz. But a shape standing far back from the fence is clearly defined, a photographic impossibility. But if the figure is real, he would have to be elevated on a car bumper in order to have his chest come up above the five foot fence. Why would an assassin do that if he wanted to get a good shot but didn't want to be seen?
Look at this picture comparing "Gordon Arnold" to the Badgeman figure. Only one of these figures can be real, Arnold or Badgeman. But if one figure isn't real, it puts the other figure in serious doubt.
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Background details of the people answering this question can be found at:
There are several similarities between the JFK and MLK assassinations.
*Both acts were supposedly committed by a lone gunman
*Both "assassins" allegedly left their weapons very near to the crime scene with evidence incriminating the assassins (Oswald's rifle supposedly had a palm print and several fingerprints on it and Ray's rifle was found in front of a shop next to the boarding house in a bundle with some of his belongings including a few beer cans he used).
*Police informant Williams Sommersett got word of a plot to kill both Kennedy and King but was ignored.
*Several witnesses complained that the FBI ignored their accounts because they indicated a conspiracy.
*The House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that there was probably a conspiracy in both cases.
*Many witnesses in the King and Kennedy cases thought they heard a shot or shots coming from an area different from where the alleged assassins were.
*In both cases, several witnesses thought that they heard shots coming from a "bank of trees."
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Look at this website here:
"Washington D.C. - On the 40th anniversary of the assassination of John F. Kennedy, and the eve of the broadcast of a new documentary film on Kennedy and Castro, the National Security Archive today posted an audio tape of the President and his national security advisor, McGeorge Bundy, discussing the possibility of a secret meeting in Havana with Castro. The tape, dated only seventeen days before Kennedy was shot in Dallas, records a briefing from Bundy on Castro's invitation to a U.S. official at the United Nations, William Attwood, to come to Havana for secret talks on improving relations with Washington. The tape captures President Kennedy's approval if official U.S. involvement could be plausibly denied. "
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB103/index.htm
Is it possible that this was the CIA's motive for the killing Kennedy? A secret deal with Castro? It is a rather interesting theory. I would like to hear your opinions since I have not been able to go through the entire site just yet.
Additional Claims about the Knoll-Wall
in JFK Assassination Debate
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Why does the Moorman photo show Gordon Arnold standing straight up when he himself said that he buried his head in the dirt as soon as shots started being fired?
Arnold said to Earl Golz and in The Men Who Killed Kennedy that he took the film out of the canister and threw it to the policeman. But why did he tell Jim Marrs that he threw the whole camera to the man?
And what happened to the first policeman in his story to The Men Who Killed Kennedy?