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Ferenc NAgy was a respected Prime Minister - evidently he was anti_satlinist and that was unacceptabl to Stali so they kidappd his son ( six ys old) and did not allow him to return from an official visit in the West. And then the Stalinsts (= KGB pr "Party") occupied the country and put to prison all the opposition party members. So it was naturally in the interest of the Communist media in Italy to try to xpose them as extreme rightists but Nagy was an anti Nazi - when the NAzis occupied Hungary and they put to prison the promient parliemantary party leadr he was inprisoned. I think that it is quite natural if they had some kind of irrealistic plans - like organizing fancy international Trade meetings to be able to get in contact with people behind the Iron Curtain...maybe.

Thnkx Sandy I edited out my stuff on the Oswald name and the family links too.

The LETTER "S" in HUNGARIAN IS pronounced SH. I live in BudapeSHT. So it is just the HUNGARIAN version of the name GARDOS..it sounds GARDOSH....that is why it is written with an SH in the TIPPIT CALL transcript by the way.

Politicians are like lawyers- for any legal ttlement the lawyer getss a percentage. Also: it is an ongoing debate - there are masses of people who think Isral is a spcial case and sure its Capitol is Jusalm and yes many Muslims do think that Iran is the common enemy of the West and Israel and themselves as sunnite Muslims, so they wanted that abraham Accord arranged by Trump and his family. I do not think that in such extreme perplexing dilemmas eithr side may claim that his truth is more true than the opposite side's truth claim. it is impoible dr outsiders to judge this

With the un/transparent real enemies of the leading Western Power the US it is insane to demand transparency/ when we do know that even without enemies in every group there are extremely oposing visions in masss of people.... so when the last document will be shown it will not clarify anything. the persons who will come out as GAme Masters will be just average people like anyone...---sometimes good sometimes bad...and their having been situated into that corner of organizing the successful part of that conspiracy or putch will be just a short time surprise...It will be someone who was successful in hiding - and that also means he needed to stay hidden because otherwise he did many good things...but he had to stay hidden due to one or two things which he had to do in a way that the Sino-Russian Tyrants also stay calm. Everyone who tries to think about this must calculate with this: both the Russians and the Chinese leaders (and the US ones) do know that in the Kennedy Clan some secrets were really dangerous - some high places spy or some underage sex partner or drug use and murder - and this means (like in every privat person's life there ar unmentionable desires - to demand full transparency is naive, foolish, and self destructive. So yes, only Junior might try it but who knows they will allow it to him. To think that the leaders are able to do any whim is just a fantasy. (I am glad to see that TRump respects some limits after all.) During my first 65 years my family successfully has hidden from me the job of my grandparental Uncle in the White House. And his famous colleagues of course. They had a rational reason at the era of our Russian Slave Colony Occupation - it had to be kept a secret. then I found out that even the main surviving family membes have never known each others friends (who were in local politic on ahigher level) - people just stopped mentioning their friends. Whoever is hidden - probably a bunch of people - may bring shame on the Kennedy family - and many other Big NAmes - as a close friend. And the real problem will be that we will see that this Secret Chief was constrained - (we know Kennedy needed drugs against huge pains and it could be simply a friend's duty to organize his exit...that is the most benevolent scenario...but it may have been a demand of the Russians because he threatened them with nukes after all...they both did it but only Kennedy went into insanity due to his cocktails. (It is not impossible that it was NOT meant to finish the life of the Pres. Now that we know that Oswald did not go up to the 6th floor...) What if the level of danger in this unknown secret part of that tragic era is better stay forgotten. Like so many past secret murders (like the trap of Crwon Prince Rudolf...there are lots if similar cases in history where we will never know the truth...And maybe it is better for us. )

But, Matt, it needs two totally different mindset - who is or is not a "mole in the Cold war" needs some impotant psychological insights which are not needed in finding factoids about the protagonists or sidekicks in the drama of the Multi-Oswald dramas.

hm i may have made a mistake in switching the sudies and the years ...but the main point in the family member claim is that he studied (maybe after the physics etc) to be a diplomat and he stayed a diplomat- (spy) whatever else he studied earlier.

But the son of GArdos did NOT study chemisstry - or maybe stopped and changed professon:he became a diplomat as described in a letter by his son-in-law, Russ Geck here on EDU FOR in the Lee and Harvey topic as presented by the late John Butler in 2019. It was the last page of 2019 . he was not a Chemist he was a diplomat. also Weinstock in 1950 is talking about a 12 year old boy, going to some elementary school..and mayby "hoping to become a chmist" if an uncle asks him...but I do think that we can leave that misinformation - no one was interested in it...although if he was a diplomat in 63 he could even follow secret order to go to mexico with the pseudonym and false ID and Pass of Oswald - and he might have considered it a patriotic act (without knowing anything about the plans around Oswald)- and of coursse nver ever mentioning this. there could be several Deutero-Oswalds and one could have been played by Janos Gardos. (s=sh) (that word deutero means Scond I think in Greek) John Butler Posted December 29, 2019 I did get a response from Russ Geck. I have just been waiting for his ok to publish his information: "Hi, John. Sorry I haven't gotten back to you sooner, but my mother is visiting me in Budapest for Christmas, and we have been very busy. I was at a family gathering last Saturday when I saw your message about who you were and why you wanted to know about the Gardos family. We had a lot of laughs and good times talking about it (I read them your entire message). You did not offend me in any way, although I thought the initial request was kind of brusque, but after hearing who you are and what you are trying to do, I understand it. So, I am an "outsider." I am an American who is living in Budapest with the daughter of John Gardos, who died almost three years ago. (in 2016) . Here is what I know or have been told. Johnny (János aka "John" Gárdos) was born in the United States in Bessemer Township, Michigan, January 29, 1939 (I have a scan of his birth certificate if you would like it). He told me he moved back to Hungary just before his tenth birthday. Andi (his daughter) and I talked to him about this because we were interested in Andi having American citizenship through him, and there are specific rules as to how citizenship can be passed along based on when you were born and how long you lived in the United States. If he was telling me the truth, he never went back to the United States after he returned to Hungary sometime in 1948. He told me stories about living through the 1956 revolution against the Soviets. He became a diplomat for the Hungarian government in approximately 1972, and was the commercial attache at Hungarian embassies in Tanzania, Nigeria and Yemen. He told me he was a spy for the Hungarian government, but that that was expected of every Hungarian diplomat. To what extent that entailed, I do not know. His wife survives him (I was with her tonight and the night I read the message at the family gathering), and she was with him at the Tanzanian and Yemenian posts (not sure about Nigeria), and I can try and get more information about anything she might have known about his activities during his embassy posts. So, long story short, Lee Harvey Oswald was shot and killed by Jack Ruby November 24, 1963. Gárdos János (John Gardos), son of Emil Gárdos and Grace Blair, died in March of 2017, leaving a wife, a daughter and a stepson behind. If there's any way I can help you in this any more, I would be happy to help. I'm sure Johnny would not want history to remember him as JFK's killer in any way. I am attaching a short historical document Andrea (John's daughter) and I prepared for a consultation with an immigration attorney about the possibility of her having American citizenship through her father. You probably already know most of it, but in case you haven't seen some of the links, I am providing it for you. Best of luck in convincing people that Johnny wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald. All My Best, Russ Geck

I do not see who are meant in "you three"...But I suppose it is some bitter humour... 1 Anyway here I must mention that P. Kecskemeti, the RAND strategist did not get a visa to Hungary from 40 till 80. So either Weinstock WAS a US govt agent - but that did not help Kecskemeti - or he needed to have someone behind him, who was in a trusted Russian "mole"-like role with influence on both sides because of being "untouchable" due to his meeting with Lenin..(Like Harriman etc).

I meant "false flag" but not false info. ...So to make them publicly known may be dangerous in an era when atomic conflict was not debated nough to ee clearly its dangers.

Now i read it again and i see that th FEIGNED ANGER oF the President was a cover.

thanks..But it iss not clear how this debate was a cover...

Hi Matt, these things I never knew...It is astonishing for me that a close family member (for me he ws just a grandfather figure ) has had some part in such historic innovations. The Boss of the Editions CORVINA where he did work in 63 was an ex-fighter in Spain (later Weinstock and Gary Powers telling the Soviets about Oswald...I must go bck to find this...it sounds logical. But I forgot it.

Thank you it was interesting to red about this hidden past of a family member...and also the weird dangers of this intel struggées... but it is also interesting that even though Eisenhower is described as "very angry" (due to the misconstrrued title of the book on surrenders) he did allow Kecskeméti to stay away from the debate and even accepted his plea of "no mention by name". He was n o t humiliated and the value of his text and its real rational intent was not put in question.

P. K. (I prefer GOATY as that is what his name means and everyone is called by that nickname in the family as otherwise it is too long...) So he lived for a while in NYC and I only know they were neighbours (and friends) with Bela Bartok, - who died in 45 I think - he was a rather well known Hungarian - non Jewish - componist of that era. But later he spent decades in RESTON. He fled from the NAzis in 40 to the US and lived there till 80. He did not get a visa only in 1980 a few months before his death he visited us. (Born in 1901) i never heard this space program thing...I know only his two books - on the Nazi media on the Freudian couch...published i think in 44 and the Unexpected Revolution in 57...I did hear and read about the debate in the Senate - in 58 - on his Strategic Surrender -- there he may have mentioned such technical options... i think that in every era individualist Western, and collectivist Asian values do have conflicts...they both need to defend themselves --- so they feel both -, and yes there are proponents of related ideas...But i do not think that individuals should be judged and sneered at if their environment and talents put them into a position of influence or even innovation for the one or the other side of these eternal dilemmas. And it would be very much detrimental for an objective search of any historical event if we constantly project evil intent to those who are compelled to root for individalist Capitalism.(Of course I am not accusing you of this herre and now.) Yes it is a faulty system . like most human creations - causing many painful setups. But unintentionally. When the opponents - although individually maybe naive idealists (useful idiots with Lenin's word - they tend to cause millions dying in slave camps... intentionally so. (I think that inside both camps there are Hawks and Doves...this is evident in the clashes of Trotskysts and Stalinists in the 30s mainly in Spain. I do not think Gardos was a Trotskyst in Hungary- it was a taboo trend - but he was a diligent operator as interpreter for the stalinist Bosses,,,Even during the rebel weeks he opted to go . or flee - as a diplomat of the Stalinist side to India (and the weather is surely better there... )

But UNCLE is not a BROTHER...'Uncle" meant in my English class 50 ys ago that he is the brother of the Father of my mom. Or of my grandfather. And yes my mom worked at the Corvina from 57 till 84 when she died. Almost 30 years. She was just a lector or corrector of typos. I have neveer heard of any Mary Gardos. Grace Gardos was the wife (born Blair) of EMIL GArdos. 1. I had some indications in the EDU FORUm in 2019 that ther existed some Jewish Rescue missions - some organized by the First Lady. and I found some children's letters to the First Lady, some of them mentioning that their location in Britain is led by Anna Freud. And the secretary of Anna Freud was the sister in-law of my mom's Uncle, Paul Kecskeméti. he was asked by the First Lady to do German translations as some of the fleeing Jewish kids needed translators. 2. Also as i did it now, he sure looked into a RAbbinical (=notary) Archive List of the Oswald Family after hearing (privately as he knew all the bosses/ about the Tippit Call... Or even just moved by simple curiosity ...he must have seen the GArdosh spouse of one Oswald - the one and only Hungarian Jewish name ... among the hundreds. He knew that it does not mean a real life contact (o just MAYBE) but it can be dangerous if put into the mass media....He evidently also did see that Mrs Weinstock is called GROSs and that some Gardos families were first in Germany called GROSS... - surely did KNOW that EmiL was kicked back to Stalinist Hungary in 48. I must excuse me I really want to be succint and factual. But I never knew anything about my mom's UNCLE (my grandad's bro)...despite meeting him a few times abroad and here too once. And these ideas come to me while I try to be succint and factual.

Thnx Matt, for this question. 1. Very shortly, succintly, facually : my mom AND GARDOSH from the Tippit call both working in the Corvina and being in regular weekly letter contact with an Oval Office analyst (her Uncle) - the Corvina Book found in 2013 to be ownd by OSWALD is a proof of the TIPPIT CALL CLAIM that GARDOSH has some kind of contact with Oswald in real life ..And one more thing which I found last week I think. The drector of Corvina was a KGB financier of Castro (no source just some article printed in Hungarian on him claims it...I asked his nephew on FB and he said his Uncle nver shareed anything on his past.) 2 FACTUALLY BUT NOT ABLE TO BE SUCCINT HERE: But it sounds to me realstic that my mom and her Uncle were not involved in this...my mom did not know more than the Uncle being a prof... 4. FACTUAL BUT HALF SUCCINT And if I do see some evident mistake - like accepting that Gardosh and his son are innocent in the 2 Oswald context bcause they claim "were in Budapest".....as told by the descendant in-law (Mr Geck)... nothing prevented 24 yrs old son Janos (sounds Yanosh) to do an "errand" at the Cuban and Russian Embassy with a fake Oswald ID. (the problem is we will never be able to prove it. ) 5 NON FACTUAL JUST INSIGHTS TLDR: I do not think that th Tippit CAll in itself is proof of the content's veracity - but WITH the CORVINA link - practically a maybe unintended PRIVATE HOTLINE between the Oval office and the KGB - it must be taken serriously as a proof of some kind of relation.. 1

THANKS MATT...I did not remember this letter of mine...i did not get an answer from HK. And I waited patiently until he departs ....with starting to want to see why he needed to avoid responding. i have no memory of this letter, only that i could not see him in 2019 when I was a few days in NYC and the secretary postponed the meeting each day...I read in the Isaacson bio on him, that it was his regular trick if he wanted to show respect by saying yES LETS MEET but then the Secretary would phone each day on the change of schedule HOW SORRY HE IS....(He did it with DAniel Ellsberg in that book.) . As for ISTVAN Gardos i went to FACEBOOK and found these ....But i think we had in 2019 the contct of the reaal Gardos grand-daughter, Mrs Russ Geck. Istvan Gardos Gárdos István István Gárdos @istvan.gardos.9 István Gárdos @istvan.gardos.7 István Gárdos @istvan.gardos.79 István Gardos @istvan.gardos.5 Istvan Gardos Istvan Gardos Lives in Graz, Austria

So we must only look for the GROSS- who Hungarized into Gardos 8the Grünwald, Gold, Roth and other Gardosh are unimportant... Hre I collected all the (self-reported jewishgen.org list) EMIL GROSS in the hope of finding EMIL GARDOS as born mayb GROSS. But No luck here. He was born maybe as a GARDOS already in 1915 (self-reported in NARA list). Emil GROSS Ludwig GROSS + Sofi Edward George Rapp (#82083) Last logged in: November 2008 07 Sep 2003 Name Born Married Died Father + Mother Spouse Researcher Last Update Emil GROSS 1902 1991 Miriam Rebecca Hellman HEILMAN Kathryn M Wallach (#5588) Last logged in: February 2024 25 Sep 2023 Emil GROSZ 1884 1943 Irma METH Eva Esther Cox (#532791) Last logged in: February 2021 7 Aug 2017 Emil GROSZ Bella BLASS Judith Grosz - Michalski (#701576) Last logged in: April 2021 27 Sep 2020 Emil (Elkan) GROSZ 1862 Jacob GROSZ + Joszefa (Peppy) SCHONHAUSER 13284 Last logged in: February 2024 7 Apr 2023

Hi Jim, and everyone. I found these GARDOS peopl on a burial list...jewishgen.org is selfreported so not everyone eports to them their data. What i think is impotant that there are differnt origial German names among th GARDOS..So the name GARDOS does not mean the person is family reation to other Gardoshes BURIALS GARDOS, Berta FRIEDMANN 27-Jul-1943 View Full Burial Record / Eger / Hungary GÁRDOS, Zoltán REINER 1917 View Full Burial Record / Munkaszolg / Hungary GÁRDOS, György BLUM 03-Jun-1918 View Full Burial Record / Munkaszolg / Hungary GÁRDOS, Oszkár KOHN 04-Oct-1911 View Full Burial Record / Munkaszolg / Hungary GÁRDOS, Artúr Pál KOHN 26-Aug-1907 View Full Burial Record / Munkaszolg / Hungary GÁRDOS, Pál JANOVITZ BIRTH RECORDS Name Date of Birth Sex Father Mother Town Registered / Record# Jaras Megye Town Born Comments Source (Film/Item) Image# GROSZ / GARDOS, Herman 10-Apr-1872 M Mozes GROSZ Hani Galszecs/128-17 Galszecs Zemplén Szilvas-Ujfalu Surname changed to GARDOS in 1898 LDS 1924885, Item 1 GROSZ, Aladar 12-Apr-1878 M Adolf STERNBERG Lina Budapest/47-01 Local Gov't Pest-Pilis-Solt-Kiskun Pest Surname was changed to Gardos 29-Nov-1915. Father b. Tiszatarjan, Mother b. Acs LDS 642966 Vol. 12 GOLDBERGER, Berta 21-Apr-1878 F Mano PFEFFER Adele Budapest/51-02 Local Gov't Pest-Pilis-Solt-Kiskun Pest father b. Zsadany. Mother b. Szekesfehervar. Changed name to Gardos LDS 642966 Vol. 12 GRUNWALD, Regina 16-Jun-1882 F Jakab WEISZ Rozalia Budapest/252-11 Local Gov't Pest-Pilis-Solt-Kiskun Pest father born in Fadd, mother born in Garf; surname changed to Gardos LDS 642967, Vol. 14 GOLDBERGER, Dezso 27-Feb-1884 M Mor SCHWARZ Netti Budapest/238-02 Local Gov't Pest-Pilis-Solt-Kiskun Pest Surname changed to GARDOS. Father b. Nemetpalanka, Mother b. Rajka LDS 642968, Vol. 15 GOLDBERG, S. Mayer Zsiga 9-Dec-1860 M M. ‑ Sali Dunaszerdahely/118-15 Also-Csallokoz Pozsony Dunaszerdahely Surname changed to GARDOS in 1917. LDS 1783153, Item 1 GOLDSTEIN, Izidor 24-Sep-1886 M Fulop BERGMAN Netti Budapest/115-11 Local Gov't Pest-Pilis-Solt-Kiskun Pest father-UjBela, Szepesmegye mother-Relyov, Szepesmegye. Surname changed to GARDOS 11-Sep-1907 LDS 642969, Vol 17 GLUCKSTAHL, Karoly 19-Apr-1890 M Samu EISLER Gizela Budapest/19-06 Local Gov't. Pest-Pilis-Solt-Kiskun Pest surname changed to GARDOS on 10-Dec-1907. Father b. Tapolcza LDS 642971, Vol. 20 Name Date of Birth Sex Father Mother Town Registered / Record# Jaras Megye Town Born Comments Source (Film/Item) Image# GLUCKSTHAL, Laszlo 26-Oct-1892 M Samu EISLER Gizela Budapest/32-05 Local Gov't Pest-Pilis-Solt-Kiskun Pest Family name changed to Gardos on 10-Dec-1907. Father born in Tapolca. Mother born locally. LDS 642972, Vol. 22 GOLDSTEIN, Geza / Gershon 07-Mar-1894 M Fulop BERGSMANN Netti Budapest/139-05 Local Gov't Pest-Pilis-Solt-Kiskun Pest Father b. Uj-Bela, Szepcs m., Mother b. Relov. Changed name to Gardos LDS 642972, Vol. 23 GLUCKSTHAL, Geza / Moshe 22-Jul-1894 M Samu EISLER Gizela Budapest/245-02 Local Gov't. Pest-Pilis-Solt-Kiskun Pest Father b. Tapolcza- Zala m. Changed name to Gardos LDS 642972, Vol. 23 GOLDSTEIN, Andor 10-Apr-1890 M József HERSCHKOVITS Iza Nagyvárad/196-09 Local Gov’t. Bihar Nagyvárad legit.; circum.17-Apr-1890; f.'s bpl.: Hajdu-Dorog; m.'s bpl.: Nyiregyháza; f.'s prof.: men's tailor; Witness:WEISZ Izidor, butcher, Nagyvárad. Surname changed to GÁRDOS (Vital Records Office Nagyvárad 24882/1941) Romanian Nat'l Archives - Oradea: 765 GRUNFELD, Jakob / Jeno 28-Apr-1870 M Elias Neti Margitta/764-06 Margitta Bihar Bodonyos Patak DAVIDOVITS -witness; officially changed his name to GARDOS (Image#17) Romanian Nat'l Archaives - Oradea: 608 GARDOS / GUTMAN, Moritz 22-Jul-1878 M David DEUTS Tancsi Nagyvarad/321-126 Local Gov't. Bihar Nagyvarad Changed surname to GARDOS in 1914 Romanian Nat'l Archives - Oradea: 761 GARDOS / GRUNWALD, Eugenie 20-May-1885 F Vilmos RICHTER Anna Olublo/55-08 Local Govt. Szepes Szulin Surname changed to GARDOS in 1900. LDS 1739890, Item 5 GARDOS / GOLDSTEIN, Abraham 11-Oct-1875 M Simon GOLDSTEIN Rebeka Abaujszanto/178-12 Gonc Abaúj-Torna Alsomera Sandak Moritz GROSZ / 1910 surname change to GARDOS LDS 642,726 GARDOS / GROSZMAN, Benzi 10-Sep-1877 M Marcus ROTTMAN Perl Abaujszanto/218-09 Gonc Abaúj-Torna Kety Sandak Philip HABERMAN. 1914 surname change to GARDOS noted LDS 642,726 GARDOS / GOLDSTEIN, Ignatz 07-Dec-1877 M Simon FRIED Rebeka Abaujszanto/221-02 Gonc Abaúj-Torna Alsomera Sandak Farkas GOLDSTEIN / 1916 surname change to GARDOS noted LDS 642,726 Name Date of Birth Sex Father Mother Town Registered / Record# Jaras Megye Town Born Comments Source (Film/Item) Image# GARDOS / GIBS, Oszkar / Eizik 04-Jun-1884 M Jozef MARKUSZ Katalin Nagy-Kanizsa/178-09 Kanizsa Zala Nagy-Kanizsa Father train conductor. Sandak: Jozsef GOTTREICH. Surname changed to GARDOS in 1902 LDS 642,949 GÁRDOS / GRÜNVALD, David / Dezso 20-May-1886 M Herman BERGER Hani Elesd/2-7 Elesd Bihar Dubricsony Father teacher, born in Bodrog Keresztur, mother born in Nagy Házdi[?]. Witness Izidor WEISS, Dubricsony Romanian Nat'l Archives - Oradea, Reg.41 GARDOS, Laszlo / Zevulun 20-Jun-1903 M Marton / Mordechai Tiszolcz / Tisovec/25-06 Rimaszombat Gömör Nyustya Sandak Sandor SCHLESINGER from Libetbanya [Zolyom]. Baby died. LDS 2385087 Item 5 GARDOS / GRUNFELD, Izidor Jan-1873 M ‑‑ ‑‑ ‑‑ Margitta/5188-1 Margitta Bihar -- Left page missing, date of birth approximate. Sandak Moricz GRUNFELD. Surname changed to GARDOS in 1812. Romanian Nat'l Archives-Oradea, Reg.924 GARDOS / GLAUBER, Regina / Rivka 22-Aug-1884 F Josef / Yosef KOCH Josefin Arad/1884-110 Arad Arad Arad Surname changed GARDOS, 1906 Romanian Nat'l Archives-Arad, Reg.6 GARDOS / GRUNBAUM, Jakab 10-Mar-1882 M Ignacz HOROVITZ Roza Gyongyos/1882-50-17 Local gov't Heves Gyongyos Sandak David HOROVITZ. 1918 surname change GARDOS LDS 642,817 GÁRDOS / GRÜNBERGER, Ármin 02-Sep-1890 M Jakab ROSENBERG Amália Pécs/98-60 Local Gov't Baranya Pécs Father tailor, b. Sz. Szt. Király (Szabadszentkirály), mother b. Nagybajom. Sandak: GEIRINGER Lajos, tailor in Pécs. Surname changed to GÁRDOS in 1905. LDS#7951731, Vol.3, img.309 GRUNFELD, Bela / Adalbert 09-Jun-1905 M Ferencz KLEIN Margit Nagyvarad/540-902 Local Gov't Bihar Nagyvarad Father 23, store clerk, born in Torda. Mother 20, born in Nagyvarad. Surname changed to GARDOS in 1913. Married Etelca Estera KAUFMANN in Oradea on Dec. 9, 1931. Emigrated in 1966. Romanian Nat'l Archives -Oradea, Reg.5 GARDOS / GRUNFELD, Elza 16-Aug-1905 F Izidor KOHN Roza Nagyvarad/6465 / 140-1101 Local Gov't Bihar Nagyvarad Father aged 23, accountant in Campina [Romania], b. Bodonos. Mother aged 20, b. Nagyvarad. Surname changed to GARDOS in 1912. Died on 26 Jan 1983 in Tirgu Mures [Marosvasarhely] Romanian Nat'l Archives -Oradea, Reg.6 Name Date of Birth Sex Father Mother Town Registered / Record# Jaras Megye Town Born Comments Source (Film/Item) Image# GÁRDOS / GRÜNFELD, Róza 17-Oct-1907 F Ferencz KLEIN Margit Nagyvárad/4761-1538 Local Gov't Bihar Nagyvárad Father sales clerk, age 26; mother, age 23. Surname changed to GÁRDOS in 1913. Married Mauritiu FEHER(?) in Oradea on Feb.12, 1930. Romanian Nat'l Archives-Oradea, Reg.10 GÁRDOS / GRÜNFELD, Anna 08-May-1910 F Ferencz KLEIN Margit Nagyvárad/5577-704 Local Gov't Bihar Nagyvárad Fathern salesman, age 28; mother age 25. surname changed to GÁRDOS in 1913. Romanian Nat'l Archives -Oradea, Reg.13 GRUNFELD, Bela / Adalbert 09-Jun-1905 M Ferencz KLEIN Margit Nagyvarad/540-902 Local Gov't Bihar Nagyvarad Father 23, store clerk, born in Torda. Mother 20, born in Nagyvarad. Surname changed to GARDOS in 1913. Married Etelca Estera KAUFMANN in Oradea on Dec. 9, 1931. Emigrated in 1966. Romanian Nat'l Archives -Oradea, Reg.5 GARDOS / GRUNFELD, Elza 16-Aug-1905 F Izidor KOHN Roza Nagyvarad/6465 / 140-1101 Local Gov't Bihar Nagyvarad Father aged 23, accountant in Campina [Romania], b. Bodonos. Mother aged 20, b. Nagyvarad. Surname changed to GARDOS in 1912. Died on 26 Jan 1983 in Tirgu Mures [Marosvasarhely] Romanian Nat'l Archives -Oradea, Reg.6 GÁRDOS / GRÜNFELD, Róza 17-Oct-1907 F Ferencz KLEIN Margit Nagyvárad/4761-1538 Local Gov't Bihar Nagyvárad Father sales clerk, age 26; mother, age 23. Surname changed to GÁRDOS in 1913. Married Mauritiu FEHER(?) in Oradea on Feb.12, 1930. Romanian Nat'l Archives-Oradea, Reg.10 GÁRDOS / GRÜNFELD, Anna 08-May-1910 F Ferencz KLEIN Margit Nagyvárad/5577-704 Local Gov't Bihar Nagyvárad Fathern salesman, age 28; mother age 25. surname changed to GÁRDOS in 1913. Romanian Nat'l Archives -Oradea, Reg.13 GARDOS / GRUNWALD, Henrietta F Liptoszentmiklos/394-97 Local Gov't Lipto Surname changed to GARDOS in 1900. Note added to the end of the 1883 register. Slovak State Archive Bytca, Liptovsky Mikulas, Secondary rec's Name Date of Birth Sex Father Mother Town Registered / Record# Jaras Megye Town Born Comments Source (Film/Item) Image# GARDOS / GRUNVALD, Eugenia -- F ‑‑ ‑‑ ‑‑ Liptoszentmiklos/406-25 Local Gov't Lipto -- Surname changed to GARDOS in 1900. Note added to the end of the 1885 register. Slovak State Archive Bytca, Liptovsky Mikulas, Secondary rec's GARDOS . GRUNVALD, Regina -- F ‑‑ ‑‑ Liptoszentmiklos/424-89 Local Gov't Lipto -- surname changed to GARDOS in 1900. name change listed at the end of the 1886 register Slovak State Archive Bytca, Liptovsky Mikulas, Secondary rec's GARDOS / GRUNVALD, Armin -- M ‑‑ ‑‑ ‑‑ Liptoszentmiklos/438-70 Local Gov't Lipto Liptoszentmiklos Surname changed to GARDOS in 1900. Note appears at the end of the 1888 birth register. Slovak State Archive Bytca, Liptovsky Mikulas, Secondary rec's GARDOS / GRUNWALD, Gyula M Liptoszentmiklos/457-80 Local Gov't Lipto Surname changed to GARDOS in 1900. Note is at the end of the 1890 birth register. Slovak State Archive Bytca, Liptovsky Mikulas, Secondary rec's GRUNVALD, Miksa -- M ‑‑ ‑‑ ‑‑ Liptoszentmiklos/472-74 Local Gov't Lipto Liptoszentmiklos surname changed to GARDOS in 1900; recorded at end of the 1892 births register. Slovak State Archive Bytca, Liptovsky Mikulas, Secondary rec's GUTHARD / GÁRDOS, Moritz / Moshe 10-Oct-1872 M Ignacz BERGER Therese Veszprém/191-47 Local gov't Veszprém Veszprém Sandek: FELDBAUER Jakab and wife née SCHWARZ Kornélia. Surname changed to GÁRDOS in 1910 LDS 7952161 191

Hi Jim- I’ll read your post above again to see if I can make more sense of it. In the meantime…. 1. It is very good that you repeat that my input is nONSENSE and CONFUSING... each time I repeat again and again that jewish NAME ARE ALL FAKE NAME DISPENSEED IN AN OBLAGATORY AND LIMITED / For 5 MILLIONS the same 50 name PLUS TOWN NAMES^...IN ORDER TO MAKE IT CONFUSING and frightening- to make Jews confusing and frightening to others and to be able to arrest all K leiNS in a city - when there are thousands of them everywhere. My granddad was a Klein... 2. I will stop mentioning it. You are NOT CONFUSED you are expressing a COGNITIVE DISSONANCE (an inner dilemma) because very simply I am telling that the TIPPIT Call CANNOT BE VERIFIED BY ARCHIVES - YES an Oswald among hundreds has a Gashpar spouse and yes a WENSTOCJ among hundred has a GISINGER spouse--but due to Jewish limited name-giving FAMILY TIES ARE HIDDEN and CONFUSING BY THE name limit tool designed to confuse both Jews and non-Jews and perpetuate the mistrust. 3. My Grandmother's KELLER name is also in many Oswald homes in the archives - but my Keller family did not know about Amerrican relatives of this name. Only real family stories may - to some degree - prove a link.Anyone anywhere could decide to take thiss name...mayb to promote their Wine Cellar... 4. The family story of my CORVINA jobber MOM typing for Gardosh in 1963 in 2 books (one is the CArtoon book) is a real proof that some contact existed between OSwald with the Corvina translator Gardosh of KGB. And the Uncle of the typing secretary - my mom - had a job in the Oval Office and RAND with Kissinger. I do see that I must learn English a bit more to make myself clear. 5. It is a very good PR tool to create a MASK OF BEING CONFUSED...so we help the other person to shorten and clarify his message. I thanky you for it , Jim. I say just once more that the TIPPIT CALL was a FALSE FLAG in order to alert the FBI that they must handle such infos - if they do not want Oswald related Russian KGB Jews from Castros side creating a mass hysteria. 6- I am really grateful that by pointing out since a whole month each and every time I try to mention this completely new version of things - you push me back to the probably true feeling of you that it is confusing that someone says something you did not expect. Maybe there should be a rule to never say anything confusing the mod. 7. Unfortunately i am also confused. I am not glad to find my Granma and Oswald cousins (far removed but still) I am confused to see my mother who was totally naive and innocent and never knew that her uncle worked for 5 Presidents - and probably for Dulles too in the early Jewish rescue action of the First Lady - and she never grasped how he could leave his flat to rich strangers (an Ambassador and his wife with Oswald ancestry) from the State Department of all places (not stranger to Kissinger and not strangers for the Oswald Archives) .... and she died - in 84 - without imagining she could (of) be(en) a pawn of her bosses related secretly to the KGB.And using her and her "CIA" linked Uncle and their letters. 8-. I learned and taught Jewish history in the last 20 some years (as the whole Jewish thing was hidden from my generation in the Soviet Colony Era till the mid-80s) but I NEVER COULD GRASP the unimaginable thing that under a benevolent mask (Jews are human like us, so they must use names like we use... but we dictate which ones...) a malevoleent design may be hidden: namely the total destroying of the personal identity and story of different families which could live WITHOUT FAMILY NAmes - just using COMMUNITY SERVICE Related RANKS as names or Biblical poetic names....or simple paternal or maternal names. (Like in Russian. Vladimir Ilyich..we know who he is...BTW his mother was Jewish. blANK was her name. Confusing. ) 9. Yes, Jim it is confusing. And it is also confusing that the FBI DID NOT CLASSIFY IT AS SECRET from a malevolent paranoia- as is the default slogan - but because they did know that these names are arbitrary, randomly dispensed, so such a chance coincedence that someone maybe 200 years ago married an Oswald DOES NOT maKE THEM ACCOMPLICes. (BUT Sometime yes they do feel connected.) But even if they were not related - we cannot know - thEY WERE iN actual CONTACT by regular posts and books sent. 10. If Jim, you continue to denigrate and devalue me as cONFUSING...I will be even more grateful, because without this, my posts would be just lost among hundreds of other focused research topics.... But by this kind help of showing me CONFUSING... it will maybe lead someone else to react, that despite my ENGLISh being totally broken because I have only my M.A. at a US Uni operating here, and my Ph D is in Hungarian, 8under construction)- but I may be trying to SAY SOMETHING HERE. 11. I am here as a witness to the sending of KGB messages - maybe by books maybe by letter - from the CORVINA to the ex-PROF of Kissinger, to the White HOUSE (or to HArvard). I can imagine that the Uncle and his niece, my MOm , were NOT even knowing that their letters were perused weekly...(and if you use any CODE it brings out some NEW MEANING...so it is not worth to try to DECODE a boring famiy letter) 12 THIS IS A PROOF THAT THE TIPPIT CALLER knew what she did claim. BUT no one wanted to expose the "Jews" the "KGB " and the "CAstroists" at once in the family vicinity of Oswald - because I do not believe the FBI DID NOT FOLLOW MARINA WHEN SHE SOLD the CORVINA book right before their search. And since 2013 we all do know. Sure, even today we have reason to have fears around these topics. So the only reation I get is, that it is "confusing". And I agre and it is useful to remind me of it. 13 SO WE BETTER CLAIM WITH YOU Oh, All this is TOO CONFUSING...nAMES BEING EMPTY AND so not leaDING ANYWHERE ....AND LET US RE-CLASSIFY all related info... BUT still the FBI had to look up Gardosh...GArdosh decided in 1963 to go PUBLIC with his translations (which he did only in the Party Centre for 15 years before and 12 ys after) HE surely knew he is under some kind of scrunity. Sending a message to Oswald was just a trial balloon..to see what happens. If he goes to buy the book... 14 Okay no one in the USA had access to a Jewish Archive. I did not either, before. The FBI sure looked it up. And no one was - and is - interested in the CORVINA BOOKS. (I was not either - since decades my mom has departed and I was not going back there. I am sure that in the last 1% we will eventually see some report on Gardosh and the CORVINA boss having links to CASTRO...but who cares we knew it from otherr sources... 15 I did ask George Schwimmer , the author of the richly vowen Doppelganger (full of regular typos like "he would of done", maybe it became mainstream m but my English is rudimentary to criticize others ) - and he told me he is not interested in my findings. (Of course if I had a typical Jewish sounding name - which anyone cómay have - I would also play the role of NOT INTERESTED- sorry if it sounds a bit nasty, it is just a meme, not meant personally.. ) 16. I do not want to come back and explain it once more. I see how easy it is to make a fol of myself... I may get banned if I repeat this like a mantra. JEWS in the OSWALD FAMILY and maybe regular posts from the Oval Office to some CORVINA linked RUSSIAN KGB asset and CASTRO - oh, no, it is confusing, this guy clearly cannot write in English. Let us hope this is just some lone nut again. Sorry Jim, I do think it is okay to alert me at my too many typos. And, sorry all this will remain confusing.

That is really a great work of research., thank you, John Kowalski. It is always a kind of a satisfaction when we find the Nazis and Commies in our own or others family members connections. As we are not carved from one marble stone but we tend to be a mixed collage from clay and crystals and pebbles or plastic debris etc...so family members all have different hues of self-saving purposes in different ideologies trying to plug our inner vacuum. And to find an actual Hydell among the winners of the Hideousness Contest is wonderful. Maybe I am not humble enough mentioning here that I just found that the director of Corvina Editions, (from 1962-3 for a decade ) the boss of Emil Gardos (from the tippit Call) was a supporter -by KGB funds - and personal friend of Castro (in gossipe mentioned in bographies /on Wiki/.

Well as I said Jewish names were designed to confuse and cause fear in both Jews and non-Jews. ... the state forced Jews to get German names. But from a limited set. So we have KLEINS or STERNS or KELERS in each family...not just RELATED families. It happens with Mr White and Mr Smith in non-Jewish familiesss too. They just are not in contact. So it cannot be used for real crriminal esearch - yes in the archives an Oswald has married a Gardosh....

Geo – If you’re willing to help us, please search for two surnames: Hidell and Heidel Jim, Sorry sometimes I have no time to come here, but if you tell me in an email your question - i can make time to come and answer. SAndy - there is no name like "Hidel en Heidel in Hungarian....In Germany, Heidelberg is a famous city and heidel exist as a name but has no concrete meaning. (Heide means Meadow). I can only remember that there is a very famous historian of Kabbalah - so his books are probably online accessible - called Moshe IDEL. In Wiki I found that IDEL or Itil - meaning vOLGA in Turkic - was the capital of the Khazar Khaganate- a famous cas of a whole uppr class deciding to bcome Jewish in order o keep independent from the neighbouring Christian and Muslim states. (The H is frequently mute in Hebrew at the beginning of a word. Not always but it happens.) I asked the AI and looked up in the Dictionary to not lt Ai halucinate - Copilot Thank you for sharing those insights! It’s fascinating how the Hebrew letters carry such rich symbolism and meaning. Let’s explore the concepts you mentioned: Hidel (הידל): The term “Hidel” signifies “to make rare” or “to diminish.” It’s interesting how this word captures the idea of something becoming less common or scarce. The Hebrew letter “Hei” (ה) often represents the breath of life and creative energy. When combined with “Daleth” (ד)," which symbolizes transition, it creates a powerful image of transformation or rarity. CHidel (חידל): This term, pronounced with a strong “Chet” (ח)" sound, means “to cease” or “to desist.” The letter “Chet” represents a fence or boundary, suggesting a cessation or stopping point. When paired with “Daleth,” it conveys the idea of coming to an end or passing away. It is a sinister pseudyme for someone having murderous fantasies - even f we do not know more about him as the evidence for the murder is debated.

2. My mom's uncle left all 3 orphaned nieces and nephews in Budapest in 1940 fleeing to the US. (With the help of Eleanor Roosevelt as his in-law (called Karl Mannheim) was a respected scholar for her. My Uncle - my mom's brother left us, his nephews (then 2 ys old - to flee from the Russians in 1956 and flee to Paris. There were ten thousand Jewish kids rescued from war-torn Europe by British and American brave people - they all had to leave their parents. I think, dear John (if I may call you that way as fellow researchers generally do in Europe) you are here projecting an irrealisstic emotional bond that cannot be sustained during wars and other calamitis -like the Uncl being a KGB spy and having an obligatory return ticket. 3 . 13. Another possible version. Te Cuban leader did meet his KGB sponsor, called Andras Tompe (legends claim they were friends) in cca 59-61. This kGB officer ( a Spanish Civil War fighetr - on the side of Stalinist assassins killing thousands of Trotzkist anarchio-communists - after spending 12 years in Latin America organizing Communist cells (bookshops etc) came home to Hungary, Budapest...