Steven Gaal

I really would get more from arguing with a bottle of ketchup.

http://alt.assassination.jfk.narkive.com/hl3kTMh7/the-real-defector-program-dcid-4-2-1959-and-synder <<< LINK

"To find DCID 4/2 one has to look "outside" the box, in fact one had to go YES James K. Olmstead Covered the origin of DCID 4/2 about 7 years before
to Bogota, Columbia. PARKERS FIRST VOLUME Nice try, but no cupie doll. ,gaal

The first consideration is that Synder's connection to the CIA in 1959, as
a "asset" is immaterial. The nature of his Embassy employment puts him
directly involved with "Defectors". Each US Embassy had established in
1959 a committee known as a "local Defector Committee". This local
committee was composed of the following:

Security Officer.......note the Chief of Security was arrested outside
train station day Oswald arrived. Administrative Officer CAS Service
Attaches (this includes CIA/FBI/ONI/CID agents assigned cover tasks or
jobs) Counsellor of Embassy (this links the AG's office......see LHO's
return and RFK)

Synder is directly involved and a great deal of his actions concerning
Oswald's defection and return are suspect. His assignment placed him
directly involved in this "local Defector Committee" who he "reported to
is immaterial since all "intelligence reps" were part of this "joint"
operation. The only information NOT shared would be individual counter
intelligence operations in effect conducted by committee members higher
parent organization.....unless there was a general "need to know" basis.

The primary goal of DCID 4/2 deals with esablishing proceedures for
defector's coming over to "our side". It would also handle incidents of
defectors going over to the "dark side". In Oswald's case it can be
established that his "return" would be addressed by this local Defector
Committee. Showing his role during his 1959 actions is much harder, but
it can be seen.

To fully understand the actions of Synder that are suspect, one most
evaluate the proceedures outlined in DCID 4/2. Not one published work on
Oswald deals with DCID 4/2. No WC supporter can counter the
considerations of this established USG program and Oswald's defection.

Did Synder do anything criminal.......IMO no.....but his actions remain Synder didn't follow procedures of DCID 4/2 for any defector in Oswald's case
suspect since basic considerations were "not followed" directed and Synder thus acted like Oswald wasnt a real defector ,like Oswald was a false defector.
outlined by DCID 4/2. Cover up of actions also fall within protection Parkers objection/issue of the collection of intelligence as its (Defection) primary objective,
considerations of National Security programs in effect between 1959 and isnt relevant in this case. Nice try, but no cupie doll. ,gaal
1980."

The topic of the defector program is a very old JFK research item. ,gaal

The real Defector Program DCID 4/2 1959 and Synder

Tommy,

If I had to guess, I'd say the name was Lee Harvey Oswald.

That's a guess.

No matter, there may have been two Lee Harvey Oswalds.

Jon,

Are you saying there may have been two boys who looked kinda alike and were about the same age and that they both had the legal name "Lee Harvey Oswald"? And that one of these boys was eventually murdered by Jack Ruby on 11/24/63, and the other one was his chosen doppelganger for ten or so years?

--Tommy

LETS NOT GO THERE. ,gaal

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9/11: The Frame Up

Of Abdulaziz Alomari

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/9-11_alomari.html

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SUMMARY:

Mohamed Atta is certainly the alleged hijacker can be best proven that he had a double.

http://911review.org/JohnDoe2/Atta.html

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The Atta Mystery

Double agent or multiple Attas?

http://aldeilis.net/english/the-atta-mystery-double-agent-or-multiple-attas/

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100% official proof: Doubles on 911 at work

9/11 Blogger | August 18 2006

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People might recall that the presence of Atta and Al Shehhi in Shuckums (Hollywood, FL) on September 7, 2001 posed a big challenges to the official story. Their heavy drinking in this bar has been witnessed by many and widely reported in the media. Yet the Commission Report states that Atta travelled to Baltimore the very same day.

The last flight from Fort Lauderdale (closest airport to Hollywood) to Baltimore took off at 7.30 p.m. If one assumes that all the reportings that have him drinking longer than 7 p.m. are wrong, that he managed 12 miles to the airport in a quarter of an hour and if he was still allowed to check in at 7.15 p.m. and that the reportings of Atta and Al Shehhi in Sarasota the same evening are wrong, too, than the drinking in Shuckums so far was no definite proof that Atta had a double.

This changed now with the publication of the evidences presented in the Moussaoui trial.

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution.html

Open the one on Atta (OG00020.02 at the bottom of the page)

Here you find now:

On Sep 7 a wire transfer from Al Shehhi's and Atta's account happened on Sep 7 at 15:58.

This pushes the beginning of the drinking to later than 4 p.m. or somehow the alleged hijackers interrupted their session which has not been reported. It gets worse.

Now open the file on Al Shhehi (open OG00020.01 at the bottom of the list). Here you find:

Al Shehhi made on Sep 7 at 16:56 in Deerfield Beach an ATM withdrawal fom Saeed Al Ghamdi's account and was taken on video.

Now, how is this possible. At the very same time he’s supposed to drink in Hollywood which is 20-25 miles away. All reports talk of Atta and Al Shehhi drinking there. If Al Shehhi arrived just after 4 p.m. in Hollywood then he would have had to leave the bar right away in order to drive back to Deerfield Beach (where by the way he was coming from) and could only have returned back to Shuckums around 5.45 p.m. having left Atta alone for 1 ½ hours. All this is in inexplainable contrast to the Atta and Al Shehhi drinking in Shuckums. And I would very much like to see the video footage of Al Shehhi!

It gets even worse.

As officially stated in the already mentioned chronology on Atta he did take Flight 2719 from Fort Lauderdale to Baltimore on September 7, 2001. According to the BTS the plane was scheduled for 3:15 p.m. Therefore Atta is on a flight to Baltimore while he is still witnessed drinking at Shuckums for hours....!

Therefore we can conclude that Atta and most likely Al Shehhi had doubles.

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For further information on the alleged hijackers see “Tracking the alleged hijackers and their doubles”. http://www.webcrawler.com/info.wbcrwl.301.13/search/web?fcoid=417&fcop=topnav&fpid=2&cid=315714904&ad.segment=info.wbcrwl.301.13&ad.device=c&aid=d82fa957-8a33-4601-a31c-043554d2049f&ridx=1&q=september+911+%E2%80%9CTracking+the+alleged+hijackers+and+their+doubles%E2%80%9D.&ql=&ss=t

There is no reasoning with you, is there?

Anyway, so you believe it is because those nations have some type of 'favoured' status? Or is it because those countries don't want any and the Western governments refuse to pressure them to do so because...?

OIL

Why Does the U.S. Support Saudi Arabia, A Country Which Hosts and Finances Islamic Terrorism? On Behalf of Washington?

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-does-the-u-s-support-saudi-arabia-a-country-which-hosts-and-finances-islamic-terrorism-on-behalf-of-washington/5398408

1945-1975: NSA’s Operation Shamrock Secretly Monitors US Citizens’ Overseas Communications

The NSA, working with British intelligence, begins secretly intercepting and reading millions of telegraph messages between US citizens and international senders and recipients. The clandestine program, called Operation Shamrock and part of a larger global surveillance network collectively known as Echelon (see April 4, 2001 and Before September 11, 2001), begins shortly after the end of World War II, and continues through 1975, when it is exposed by the “Church Committee,” the Senate investigation of illegal activities by US intelligence organizations (see April, 1976). [Telepolis, 7/25/2000] The program actually predates the NSA, originating with the Armed Forces Security Agency (AFSA) then continuing when that turned into NSA (see 1952). [Pensito Review, 5/13/2006] The program operates in tandem with Project Minaret (see 1967-1975). Together, the two programs spy on both foreign sources and US citizens, especially those considered “unreliable,” such as civil rights leaders and antiwar protesters, and opposition figures such as politicians, diplomats, businessmen, trades union leaders, non-government organizations like Amnesty International, and senior officials of the Catholic Church. The NSA receives the cooperation of such telecommunications firms as Western Union, RCA, and ITT. [Telepolis, 7/25/2000] (Those companies are never required to reveal the extent of their involvement with Shamrock; on the recommendations of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and presidential chief of staff Dick Cheney, in 1975 President Ford extends executive privilege to those companies, precluding them from testifying before Congress.) [Pensito Review, 5/13/2006] In the 1960s, technological advances make it possible for computers to search for keywords in monitored messages instead of having human analysts read through all communications. In fact, the first global wide-area network, or WAN, is not the Internet, but the international network connecting signals intelligence stations and processing centers for US and British intelligence organizations, including the NSA, and making use of sophisticated satellite systems such as Milstar and Skynet. (The NSA also builds and maintains one of the world’s first e-mail networks, completely separate from public e-mail networks, and highly secret.) At the program’s height, it operates out of a front company in Lower Manhattan code-named LPMEDLEY, and intercepts 150,000 messages a month. In August 1975, NSA director Lieutenant General Lew Allen testifies to the House of Representatives’ investigation of US intelligence activities, the Pike Committee (see January 29, 1976), that “NSA systematically intercepts international communications, both voice and cable.” He also admits that “messages to and from American citizens have been picked up in the course of gathering foreign intelligence,” and acknowledges that the NSA uses “watch lists” of US citizens “to watch for foreign activity of reportable intelligence interest.” [Telepolis, 7/25/2000] The Church Committee’s final report will will call Shamrock “probably the largest government interception program affecting Americans ever undertaken.” [Church Committee, 4/23/1976] Shortly after the committee issues its report, the NSA terminates the program. Since 1978, the NSA and other US intelligence agencies have been restrained in their wiretapping and surveillance of US citizens by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (see 1978). Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, who will become the NSA’s director in 1977, and who testifies before the Church Committee as director of Naval Intelligence, will later say that he worked actively to help pass FISA: “I became convinced that for almost anything the country needed to do, you could get legislation to put it on a solid foundation. There was the comfort of going out and saying in speeches, ‘We don’t target US citizens, and what we do is authorized by a court.’” [Pensito Review, 5/13/2006] Shamrock is considered unconstitutional by many US lawmakers, and in 1976 the Justice Department investigates potential criminal offenses by the NSA surrounding Shamrock. Part of the report will be released in 1980; that report will confirm that the Shamrock data was used to further the illegal surveillance activities of US citizens as part of Minaret. [Telepolis, 7/25/2000]
After 9/11, the NSA will once again escalate its warrantless surveillance of US citizens, this time monitoring and tracking citizens’ phone calls and e-mails (see After September 11, 2001). It will also begin compiling an enormous database of citizens’ phone activities, creating a “data mine” of information on US citizens, ostensibly for anti-terrorism purposes (see October 2001).

Evan don't you love butterflies ??

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audio (4:15) and then video (9:54) link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEDoy8ioais

Creation Evidence - Metamorphosis - YouTube

By Robert Barsocchini, DirtyTruths

http://www.orrazz.com/2015/09/43-of-republicans-could-imagine.html

43% of Republicans could imagine supporting a military coup in the United States

I'd still like to know why countries like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc, aren't taking any Syrian refugees? Sure they are donating large sums of relif money but how about taking some of these poor people?

I can understand why Israel doesn't but other Gulf states? They have common or similar languages, are culturally compatible and the refugees are near their homeland.

SYRAIN CHRISTIANS SURROUND EVAN BURTONS HOUSE, SIGN HYMNS TO GOD LOUD AROUND THE CLOCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dZMBrGGmeE HOLY HOLY IS HE !!!

EVAN GOD ALMIGHTY IS SCREAMING AT YOU THAT HE EXISTS (SEE LINK BELOW).SCREAMING. I WONDER IS YOUR HEART ABLE TO BE OPEN TO THE TRUTH.

YOU DIDNT COME FROM SLIME AS YOU THINK

MAKE THE IMAGE BELOW YOUR OPENING DESKTOP PICTURE. PLEASE ,gaal

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Greta_oto.jpg&imgrefurl=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greta_oto&h=3313&w=3393&tbnid=LNt8nUkTHIAE1M:&docid=pQ1VYVGmd3LXuM&ei=P5nxVbYKiu2gBOSbv9AO&tbm=isch&ved=0CBwQMygAMABqFQoTCPal5oTc7McCFYo2iAod5M0P6g

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Syrian migrant crisis: Christians to get priority as Abbott ...

abc.net.au/.../christians...syrian...

2 days ago - The fact the Government would pause in light of such a visceral tragedy to suggest Australia should prioritise Christian refugees from Syria ...

Where Oswald is standing is at the end of a semi-circle row. The type of semi-circle row that forms around someone giving a demonstration. He is IMO, not further back than the guy next to him.

He is in BACK of your semi-circle and not the end as you assert.,gaal

My point is, it's as valid as YOUR collage.

NO . You put up a distorted image. Mr. Joseph only transferred one section of the photo to another (WITHOUT enlargement) to show that objects closer to the camera appear bigger.,gaal

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I think you have violated the spirit (if not the letter) of Forum rules by deliberately posting false information. When Jack White's poster was talked about ,you Mr. Parker, screamed FRAUD again and again.

What should we speak of you ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????. gaal

LINK

see section on Syrian-Euro Refugee Crisis (many links)

http://www.antiwar.com/

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Refugee Crisis Straight Talk

Official accounts from Washington and European capitals along with duplicitous major media reports suppress what’s most important to know.

Volumes are written without a single explanation of why a refugee crisis exists in the first place, what should be done about it, and most important, how to prevent future ones.

Millions fleeing troubled lands aren’t migrants. They’re refugees and asylum seekers – desperately seeking safe havens anywhere out of harm’s way.

Washington bears full responsibility for the gravest refugee crisis since WW II – because of its devastating post-9/11 wars. Resolving the problem isn’t rocket science.

It’s as simple as declaring peace, stopping US wars, ending its support for ISIS and other takfiri terrorists, establishing effective transition policies, and caring for displaced people humanely until they’re able to return home, adjust to a new environment on their own or go elsewhere.

RT International interviewed Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro. He correctly blamed America for refugee crisis conditions.

“It is Europe that has to deal with the disaster caused by the US, because it is Europe that is now taking in thousands of migrants and they don’t know how to cope with this situation,” he said.

By deception, (America) invaded (Afghanistan), then (Iraq), the cradle of civilization – and razed it to the ground. Now it is literally split into thousands of parts and engulfed by terrorism in its cruelest form” because Washington wanted to steal its oil and exploit its people.

Who bombed Libya! Who took the lives of more than 100,000 Libyans! Who is now bombing Syria,” Maduro stressed!

Who financed the terrorists that are now seeking to destroy it. The US has caused a real disaster, chaos, and now it wants to cause chaos in other regions of the world.”

Britain’s Labour leadership frontrunner Jeremy Corbyn blasted David Cameron – calling his response to the Syrian refugee crisis (the worst one globally) “wholly inadequate.

Images of a dead child washing up on Turkey’s shoreline reflect the horrors of Washington’s imperial wars – endless ones taking millions of lives, displacing millions of survivors fleeing for safety, enduring extraordinary hardships few can comprehend, and treated with deplorable callousness most everywhere they arrive.

Tory leadership failed, said Corbyn. Britain granted asylum to less than 300 Syrian refugees since January 2014.

Cameron dismissively says “I don’t think there is an answer that can be achieved simply by taking more and more refugees” – while his complicity with Obama’s wars creates more of them.

Corbyn calls it Britain’s “duty under UN law, but also as human beings, to offer a place of safety, and play a role internationally to share our responsibilities, and to try to end (ongoing) conflict(s)” – ones Britain complicit with Washington wage.

On September 4, Human Rights Watch (HRW) listed “five steps to tackle (the) refugee crisis:

1. Establish safer legal ways to aid desperate people – helping them avoid the horrors of hazardous journeys, “dangerous routes and unscrupulous smugglers.”

2. Fix “the EU’s broken asylum system.” Different polices among member states created a dysfunctional process.

3. Institute “robust search and rescue operations” sustained as long as needed.

4. Establish a “permanent relocation (policy) to share asylum seekers.”

5. “Develop a list of ‘unsafe’ countries whose nationals…need international protection.”

HRW omitted what’s most important. Declare a universal commitment to peace and stability. End US imperial wars. End European involvement in them. Hold Israel accountable for slow-motion genocide against Palestinians.

When swords are turned into plowshares, refugee crises won’t exist. Instead, Washington’s solution to everything is war, endless conflicts for wealth and power, turning planet earth into a dystopian wasteland – or maybe destroying it altogether.

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Stephen Lendman lives in Chicago. He can be reached at lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net.

His new book as editor and contributor is titled “Flashpoint in Ukraine: US Drive for Hegemony Risks WW III.”

http://www.claritypress.com/LendmanIII.html

Visit his blog site at sjlendman.blogspot.com.

Listen to cutting-edge discussions with distinguished guests on the Progressive Radio News Hour on the Progressive Radio Network.

It airs three times weekly: live on Sundays at 1PMCentral time plus two prerecorded archived programs.

Harvey and Lee disproved ,gaal

http://www.instantshift.com/2010/08/24/88-brilliant-examples-of-forced-perspective-photography/

OH !! you foul critics of our honorable CIA !!! ,gaal

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The CIA Asks America to Please, Think of the Torturer

'The Rebuttal' won't change any minds

http://warisboring.com/articles/the-cia-asks-america-to-please-think-of-the-torturer/

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Late last year, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence dropped a redacted 525-page version of its 6,000-page report on the CIA’s torture program. The press,...

Late last year, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence dropped a redacted 525-page version of its 6,000-page report on the CIA’s torture program. The press, including War Is Boring, spent the next month dissecting and digesting the work.

Many Americans knew the CIA had done horrible things to people in the name of national security after 9/11. But few of us realized how awful many of those techniques were. Rectal feeding and hydration entered the lexicon.

“We tortured some folks,” Pres. Barack Obama declared in August 2014.

Tomorrow, the U.S. Naval Institute — a non-profit organization that encourages debate on national security — will publish the CIA’s rebuttal to the Senate’s torture report. The 353-page tome is mostly old news.

The bulk of Rebuttal: The CIA Responds to the Senate Intelligence Committee’s Study of Its Detainment and Interrogation Program is previously published work, including the CIA’s official response and the Senate minority response.

Its first 40 pages, however, are an intransigent masterpiece.

Eight editorial essays from agency luminaries such as George Tenet, Porter Goss and Jose Rodriguez, Jr. kick off the book. The pieces read like the grumpy tantrums of adult children begging the reader to remember the context of the torture program and realize the SSCI’s report was a politicized attack by Democrats.

The writers also quibble and squirm over the definition torture and … and, incredibly, beg readers to consider the feelings of the agents who performed the torture.

“I cannot tell you how disgusted my former colleagues and I felt to be labeled ‘torturers’ by the President of the United States,” writes Rodriguez, a 31-year CIA veteran. Rodriguez worries over the possibility that his colleagues might be criminally prosecuted for their actions at black sites.

“Having been the subject of a criminal investigation myself,” Rodriguez explains — investigators questioned him during the Iran-Contra affair. “I can tell you of the terrible effects such investigations have on the morale and well-being of individuals being investigated and their families.”

Remember, this man is writing about the psychological damage that possible pending criminal investigations could have on people who tortured other people. The rest of Rebuttal’s opening essays are also brazen in their myopia.

“We were fully transparent and deceived no one,” former CIA director George Tenet writes in the introduction. This, despite repeated assertions from multiple sources that Tenet and others repeatedly lied about the value of the CIA’s torture program and the intelligence it produced.

The rest of the essays are similarly divorced from reality. Several point out that Democrats compiled the report. Ergo, the document must be a politicized attack. Whining about politicization does not stop the essayists themselves from resorting to similar tactics.

“Successfully fighting an unconventional, asymmetric war being waged on us by brutal radicals will require capturing, holding, and questioning the enemy,” former CIA director Porter Goss writes. “If Chairman Feinstein has a better plan, she has not revealed it.”

I would hazard that Feinstein — who helmed the committee and led the charge for the report’s release — and the other members, as well as the bulk of the American public, understand that fighting an asymmetric war against a radical enemy requires capture, holding and questioning.

Capture and questioning does not necessitate torture. Questioning should not involve forced enemas and games of Russian roulette as described in the Senate report. Nor should it require the capture and detainment of the innocent for 480 days, as was the case with Mohammed Al Asad.

Al Asad ran a store in Tanzania. Local police arrested him and sold him to the CIA. The agency tortured Al Asad and held him in black sites for more than a year. Agents asked him questions but never charged him with a crime.

Prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. U.S. Navy photo

The bulk of former CIA deputy director Michael Morell’s essay concern complaints that the media failed every time it wrote or talked about the report.

“‘Senate report?’ … Just not true … it was a report of the Democrats on the Committee, led by the then Chair, Dianne Feinstein,” Morell complained. “The media had a responsibility to make clear that this was a report by only one side of the aisle. By failing to characterize the report as such, the media gave the report more credibility in the eyes of the public than it deserved.”

It’s also not as if Republicans march in lockstep when it comes to defending torture. Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine voted to release the documents to the public. And Sen. John McCain of Arizona delivered an impassioned speech on the Senate floor at the report’s release.

“The use of torture compromises that which most distinguishes us from our enemies, our belief that all people, even captured enemies, possess basic human rights,” McCain said.

Rebuttal hasn’t phased Feinstein. It “contains nothing new — it recycles the same comments from former CIA officials when the executive summary of the SSCI Study of the CIA’s Detention and Interrogation came out last December,” she told Newsweek.

“These interrogation techniques were brutal and did not produce information that was not already obtained in more traditional and acceptable ways by intelligence and law enforcement.”

“The Senator [Feinstein] said publicly that the CIA had slammed prisoners’ heads into walls,” former NSA director Michael Hayden writes. “I quickly got on her calendar to explain the interrogation technique called ‘walling,’ pushing a detainee’s shoulders into a false plywood wall, all the while protecting their necks with braces or at a minimum towels wrapped around them.”

Hayden’s description of walling, despite his assurances of neck braces and fancy towels, reads a lot like slamming someone’s head into a wall.

“I am sure that I also added that walling was no longer an interrogation technique used by the Agency,” he continues. “The Senator took the briefing but a few days later was again publicly claiming that the Agency had been slamming prisoners’ heads into walls.”

Feinstein claimed the CIA was slamming people’s heads into walls because that’s what they were doing. Dressing up a torture technique in Newspeak — a favorite strategy of America’s intelligence community — doesn’t not make it torture.

The quibbles continue.

“I am convinced that when years later President Obama and his Attorney General said that waterboarding is torture they were referring to the waterboarding method used by the Spanish Inquisition, or by the Japanese during World War II, or the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia,” Rodriguez writes.

“Not the waterboarding technique used in SERE,” he continues. “Otherwise hundreds, if not thousands, of U.S. military trainers would be guilty of torture.”

SERE is Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape — a program the U.S. military uses to train its soldiers how to survive when trapped in enemy territory. The program’s trainers literally torture recruits to prepare them for the possibility of enemy capture. The CIA enlisted SERE trained psychologists to help adapt the program for its enhanced interrogation techniques.

But it’s hard to believe that Rodriguez doesn’t understand that Obama was talking about the waterboarding techniques used by the CIA. To do otherwise is to miss the context of Obama’s speech. Strange when one of Rebuttal’s chief complaints is the report’s lack of context.

Prisoners at Guantanamo Bay in 2002. U.S. Navy photo

“The country’s top officials had a genuine, palpable fear of second-wave attacks on the United States, including the possible use of weapons of mass destruction,” Tenet explains in his introduction. “It was in many ways a living hell — a race against time in which we often wondered whether today was the day the country would be attacked again.”

He’s right. The year or so immediately after 9/11 was a time of confusion, paranoia and reactionary politics. America and its leader made decisions — some good, some bad and some awful.

But after such times of national distress there is always a reckoning. The polis must assess actions taken in its name. Leaders must answer for tough decisions.

After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Washington forcibly interned more than 100,000 Japanese Americans. Today, few look back on the Japanese interment with anything but shame. “We seized their property, we seized their land and we threw them in concentration camps,” Jacob Beser — the man who dropped both Atomic bombs — said of the internment.

“When you are right you are right, when you are wrong, in this country you are damn well wrong. This was a blot in our history.”

But the men running the CIA’s current damage control campaign appear less concerned with America’s loss of moral authority and its use of torture. They appear far more concerned with themselves.

“You get the feeling that your own government has abandoned you,” Rodriguez writes. “You worry that some overly zealous prosecutor will indict you and that justice will fail you. You worry about the financial burden, the legal costs of defending yourself. You worry about the psychological effects on your spouse and children and on your other family members and close friends.”

“To make people go through this agony … was unconscionable.”

Again, Rodriguez is worrying over the mental health of torturers. It is the tell-tale sign of a bully that they revert to the victim when challenged.

29 Holistic Doctors/ND’s Poisoned, Life Threatening Conditions, Criminal investigation Underway

More shrieking like a stuck pig to hide the fact that you can't explain why the "tall, muscular, built like a footballer" Lee is the smallest, dweebiest kid in the CAP unit.

Jim's font size is bigger than Oswald!

PHOTO EXPERT LAVERICK ( AND LAVERICK has MUCH EXPERIENCE PHOTOGRAPHY) can estimate the size of the LHO fellow in the CAP photo ?? ITs all relative ,how big are the other fellows ?? How far (far ) back is LHO ???

IF no to size estimate ......no real anti-H & L discovery here. The anti H & L crowd = equals = zero font evidence in this area,gaal

GREG PARKER STILL avoiding FINDERS POST !!!

CAP photo small LEE people. Your the one claiming he went there he (LEE) saw smallish , The burden of proof is on you to show when it was he was smallish.

You're the one claiming he went there, The burden of proof is on you to show when it was.(PARKER QUOTE)

Rankin said he went there ,Not I, he must have gotten the idea from somewhere. ,GAAL

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see http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=7527&hl=Monterey

WILLIAM KELLY

"Monterey Language Institute - Graduate School of Middlebury College (since 2005) 460 Pierce St. Monterey, CA 93940 831-647-4123
The Monterey Institute of International Studies was established in 1955 as the Monterey Institute of Foreign Studies by founders Gaspard Weiss, Remsen Bird, and Dwight Morrow, Jr., who envisioned a graduate school that promoted international understanding throughthe study of language and culture. While the institute's name has evolved, itscore identity as an innovative leader in international professional education has remained constant.
Over the decades the Institute has grown, adding new programs, faculty, and students to expand its global reach and educational mission. In 1961, the school moved to its current downtown Monterey location, where it presently occupies 14 buildings that house two graduate schools, multiple research centers, and numerous special programs.

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1952 Teacher Denies Nazi Past:
Published: December 7, 2002
http://www.nytimes.c...ld_ed3__14.html
MONTEREY, Calif.: Gaspard Weiss, chairman of the French department of the Army's foreign language school, denied he was a "Nazi sympathizer" with a collaborationist record in France. He admitted that he and his wife Louise were convicted in absentia and sentenced to 20 years in prison in 1945 by a court at Poiters, on a charge of" intelligence with the enemy." But he said the tribunal was a Communist-dominated "people's court" acting from"vengeance" over his clashes with the Communists during the war.
EMSEN DuBOIS BIRD President, Occidental College, 1921-1946

http://departments.o...d/bird_bio2.htm
(This Biography is adapted primarily from Joan P. Olson's Remsen DuBois Bird: A Biography, a Master of Arts thesis written in 1977 when Olson was a graduate student at Occidental College's history department. For more information about President Bird and the Japanese American internment and relocation,consult the researchers guide.)
At the time of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Remsen Bird was the president of Occidental College, a position he had held since 1921. Convincedthat he and his colleagues shared a compelling obligation to help displacedJapanese American college students, Bird and a few other educators wereinstrumental in laying thegroundwork for what would become the NationalJapanese American Student Relocation Council. This is all but one of the manyprojects Bird took on during his long career in academia, and it conforms tohis belief in the importance of an "open mind" throughout his life........Bird's long tenure at Occidental wasnot without its critics. Admittedly and proudly an idealist, Bird often approached situations with emotions and not much analysis --- his contemporaries have described him as a "great dreamer" who"engaged in flights of fancy." He had been known to envision a large project, convince colleagues and community members to join the endeavor, andthen dash off to another project leaving the details to others. At times potential donors found his fundraising tactics distasteful. Bird's feelings were hurt by some of the criticism, particularly the publication in 1939 of After Many a Summer Dies the Swan by Aldous Huxley, whom Bird had regarded as a friend. In his satirical novel, Huxley portrays the character based on Bird as a college president wholly preoccupied with the pursuit of the rich and well-connected, speaking in an "oily manner, like vaseline with a flavour of port wine". Accordingto Hutchison, Bird "went right to town and told Huxley just what he thought of him!" "

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I submit that the LHO Japan Japanese girlfriends were RUSSIAN Language teachers. WE have only LHO word for who most of them were.

Marina said LHO wanted to return to RUSSIA. Marina also said that LHO had an affair with a Japanese girl in the USA. I submit she also was a Russian language teacher.

He was already selected as a (a) patsy and this,"study" kept LHO in role and calm.

,gaal not autodidact

GREG PARKER STILL avoiding FINDERS POST !!!

More shrieking like a stuck pig to hide the fact that you can't explain why the "tall, muscular, built like a footballer" Lee is the smallest, dweebiest kid in the CAP unit.

Jim's font size is bigger than Oswald!

link http://www.ctka.net/2014/Davison%20update.html

"Anyway, today Davison has a new argument about the issue. Namely that Oswald did not really acquire the language until he got to the Soviet Union. Let us dissect this Davisonian drivel. There are four pieces of evidence which seriously undermine what she now proposes. First, back in 1974, Harold Weisberg unearthed the transcript of the Warren Commission's January 27, 1964 executive session meeting. That meeting contains a reference by Chief Counsel J. Lee Rankin to the Commission's efforts "to find out what he [Oswald] studied at the Monterey School of the Army in the way of languages." (Philip Melanson, Spy Saga, p. 12) Note, Rankin did not say if Oswald studied there. He said he did study there."

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When did he study there ?? clap clap clap ,gaal

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/M%20Disk/Melanson%20Philip/Item%2055.pdf

More shrieking like a stuck pig to hide the fact that you can't explain why the "tall, muscular, built like a footballer" Lee is the smallest, dweebiest kid in the CAP unit.

Jim's font size is bigger than Oswald!

link http://www.ctka.net/2014/Davison%20update.html

"Anyway, today Davison has a new argument about the issue. Namely that Oswald did not really acquire the language until he got to the Soviet Union. Let us dissect this Davisonian drivel. There are four pieces of evidence which seriously undermine what she now proposes. First, back in 1974, Harold Weisberg unearthed the transcript of the Warren Commission's January 27, 1964 executive session meeting. That meeting contains a reference by Chief Counsel J. Lee Rankin to the Commission's efforts "to find out what he [Oswald] studied at the Monterey School of the Army in the way of languages." (Philip Melanson, Spy Saga, p. 12) Note, Rankin did not say if Oswald studied there. He said he did study there."

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When did he study there ?? clap clap clap ,gaal

You mention the British using Lansky to achieve their globalist dreams. How did they get Lansky on their side?

We have to go back, way back, to 1928, to explain this British-Lansky connection. In China, there were three large triads, or gangs, exporting narcotics. Originally, the Kuo Ming Tang and Chiang Kai Shek supported these people. At the same time they were also fighting a prolonged war with the Communists. So for publicity reasons, and to get them back on the good side with the Americans who could help them in the war against the Communists, the KMT publicly went against the triads. At the same time, they made a secret deal with one of these gangs. There was some financial gain to having this narcotics export into the Far East and America, but where they were located were mostly Chinese areas and they wanted to expand and make more money. The book by Douglas Valentine indicates that a State Department man was involved in the Chinese narcotics trade. Apparently, he and other State Department people thought that helping the KMT with the drug trade was a good thing in stopping the spread of communism. Of course, they soon realized it would not be good if American diplomats and officials were caught with loads of narcotics. So they asked themselves, “Can’t we get someone else to do the job?” That is why they reached out to Lansky to be a major drug distributor. This was in the 1930s. So he was in contact with elites possibly before World War II. There is a story that he was called in to help the ONI and the OSS to protect ports in New York and help with the invasion of Sicily. Well, that’s the cover story, because he was possibly in contact with these people before the war. Before World War II and the creation of the OSS and the CIA, ONI was our major intelligence organization, and very likely they knew about Lansky and what he was doing before the war. That just makes sense.

So Lansky was an operative for the ONI, but it is possible that he was more of an operative for the British. This would explain why he helped Castro, which on the surface appears to be against his own interests. But something else was occurring at the same time. He was in contact with the very elites and owners of the Bahamas. Now someone could say that he was just setting that up as a safety valve. But the deeper view is that he knew that Castro was going to win. That’s what his masters, the British, wanted. The British helped him set up his operations in the Bahamas. By the way, in 1961 the British changed their laws on casinos and gambling and by 1964 Lansky had a casino in London. Isn't that amazing?

We have now explained the motivations of Clay Shaw with Permindex, and Lansky working for the British to help Castro. Now let me add that in the early 1960s British Guyana was going to go communist, and the British were pulling out. Apparently Kennedy found out that the British weren’t helping set up an anti-communist regime, but they were letting a communist man take the lead in taking over that country. Now you can have more than one explanation of why the British did it, perhaps because they were pressuring Kennedy to help them with their submarine missile technology, but it does indicate that the British did not mind letting a small, Western Hemisphere country go communist. If you read “Deadly Deception” and understood what it meant, the British were just so afraid and angered of neutral America. They wanted America on its side and doing its will. Beyond the scope of this interview, if you look at what the British elite and banking system did with the creation of the Federal Reserve, and their power behind the Morgan group, you see that the British were trying to financially control America.

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ANY ONE SEE parallel British Guyana and Cuba ????? . Britain got Polaris Submarine Technology and then started helping the USA put a anti communist government in British Guyana. Was this Coincidence or Conspiracy ??

The official view of the British Foreign Service was that arm sales to Castro prevented him from being too dependent on RUSSIA, Tito-ize Castro ,so to speak.

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Yep. same feller. The one - the only - Lee Harvey Oswald.

Not the biggest kid in the class and built like a footballer as you lot claim. Positively puny next to his CAP cadet mates.

standing far right and farthest back.......would look bigger if closer. ,gaal

"RAFLMAO!

You're a crack-up, Steve.

The ingeniousness of the doppelganger program never ceases to amaze!

Now they can grow and shrink and develop or lose muscle tone as needed!

Those boys in the lab were beyond genius... golly,... they were almost up there with Judy Baker in the "clever" stakes...!" // PARKER POST

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My point is they seem the same to me. Photos "ABOUT" same time frame. LEE looks like LEE. gaal

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From Armstrong, via the hardlylee.nut website

"Banister and David Ferrie (who knew LEE Oswald from the Civil Air Patrol in 1955"

Okay. Simple -- the Oswald who was in the CAP was the big husky LEE.

So who the hell is this wimpy looking guy - the SHORTEST in the group...??!!!

Armstrong Harvey & Lee site >>>> link http://harveyandlee.net/Early/Early.html

"In September, 1954 Voebel entered the ninth grade at Beauregard. In October he witnessed a young man in a fight with Johnny and Mike Neymeyer. He helped to clean up the young man after the fight, thought he lost a tooth during the fight, and soon became friends with tall, husky LEE Oswald. A few days later Voebel was with Oswald on the steps of Beauregard when a young man named Robin Reilly punched LEE Oswald in the mouth, cutting his lip badly. Once again Voebel helped clean up LEE Oswald and their friendship began to develop. Soon after the fight Voebel took a photo of LEE Oswald sitting at his desk in Helen DuFour's English class at Beauregard, which he later sold to Life Magazine for $75. Seven months later Voebel attended a pre-high school conference with Oswald at Warren Easton HS. A month later, in June, 1955, Voebel and LEE Oswald began to attend Civil Air Patrol meetings."

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Lee looks slightly wimpy in above sited Life photo. Harvey to coin a phrase would be 'wimpier'. ,gaal

FTR #860 Walkin’ the Snake in Ukraine, Part 7 (All’s Well That’s Orwell, Part 3)

This pro­gram was recorded in one, 60-minute seg­ment. <<<< (audio link)

Svo­boda leader Oleh Tiah­ny­bok salutes

Intro­duc­tion: In a recent appear­ance before a Jew­ish audi­ence (while drum­ming up sup­port for the Iran nuclear deal) Pres­i­dent Obama noted that Iran was a coun­try that denied the Holo­caust. (Some years ago, then Iran­ian pres­i­dent Achmadeni­jad hosted a Holocaust-denial con­fer­ence fea­tur­ing, among oth­ers, David Duke.)

Beyond Obama’s rhetor­i­cal embrace, our “allies” in Ukraine, said to “share our val­ues” are engag­ing in pro­found Holo­caust revi­sion­ism with­out so much as a peep from our State Depart­ment or any other sig­nif­i­cant West­ern nation.

Once again we set forth polit­i­cal devel­op­ments in Ukraine against the sce­nario pre­sented in Serpent’s Walk.

In that Nazi tract, the SS go under­ground in the after­math of World War II, build up their eco­nomic mus­cle, buy into the opinion-forming media, infil­trate the Amer­i­can mil­i­tary, and–following a series of ter­ror­ist inci­dents in the U.S. which cause the dec­la­ra­tion of mar­tial law–take over the United States.

Cen­tral to this takeover is the use of the Nazi-controlled opinion-forming media to fun­da­men­tally revise his­tory in a pro-Hitler fash­ion. Just such a revi­sion is under­way in Ukraine.

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(It is impos­si­ble within the scope of this post to cover our volu­mi­nous cov­er­age of the Ukraine cri­sis. Pre­vi­ous pro­grams on the sub­ject are: FTR #‘s 777, 778, 779, 780, 781, 782, 783, 784, 794, 800, 803, 804, 808, 811, 817, 818, 824, 826, 829, 832, 833, 837, 849, 850, 853, 857. Listeners/readers are encour­aged to exam­ine these pro­grams and/or their descrip­tions in detail, in order to flesh out their understanding.)

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The pro­gram details the con­ti­nu­ity between the OUN/B World War II col­lab­o­ra­tor gov­ern­ment allied with Nazi Ger­many, the Yuschenko gov­ern­ment brought to power by the so-called “Orange Rev­o­lu­tion,” and the Poroshenko gov­ern­ment that devel­oped from the Maidan coup.

With the World War II his­tory of Ukraine being fun­da­men­tally re-written by the Orwellian “Insti­tute for National Mem­ory” and insti­tu­tion­al­ized by a new law that crim­i­nal­izes crit­i­cism of the OUN/B or its mil­i­tary arm the UPA, the polit­i­cal nar­ra­tive of the Third Reich is becom­ing the pre­vail­ing polit­i­cal theme in the West.

Headed up by an OUN/B oper­a­tive named Volodomyr Via­tro­vych, the Insti­tute for National Mem­ory drew heav­ily on the privately-funded Cen­ter for the Study of the Lib­er­a­tion Move­ment. Financed largely by the Ukrain­ian dias­pora, the cen­ter has as its explicit pur­pose the reha­bil­i­ta­tion of the OUN/B.

In addi­tion to the fun­da­men­tal per­ver­sion of Ukraine’s World War II his­tory, the Orwellian process at work in Ukraine is revis­ing the his­tory of some of Stephan Bandera’s pre­de­ces­sors and ide­o­log­i­cal mentors.

Both Vik­tor Yuschenko and the cur­rent pres­i­dent–Petro Poroshenko–have aided in the his­tor­i­cal face-lift being given to Symon Pet­lyura (the man’s name has var­i­ous trans­la­tions from the Cyril­lic alpha­bet.) A blood-drenched pogromist in the worst tra­di­tions of East­ern Euro­pean anti-Semitism, Petlyura’s defend­ers have used his abortive alliance with Vladimir Jabotin­sky to deflect charges of anti-Semitism against Pet­lyura. (Jabotin­sky was head of the Betar, the most impor­tant of the fas­cist ele­ments within the Zion­ist movement.)

The pro­gram con­cludes with dis­cus­sion of the appar­ent cover-up by U.S. and other West­ern gov­ern­ments of the shoot-down of MH-17.

Pro­gram High­lights Include:

• The Nazi Azov Battalion’s youth wing, look­ing very much like a “Ukrain­ian Hitler Youth.”
• Review of the evo­lu­tion of the OUN/B milieu from World War II, through the Rea­gan admin­is­tra­tion and the Yush­cenko and Poroshenko regimes.
• The role of the Ukrain­ian dias­pora in the his­tor­i­cal devel­op­ment of the OUN/B forces now hold­ing sway in Ukraine.
• Review of Poroshenko’s resus­ci­ta­tion of the old Yuschenko team, includ­ing Roman Svarych, Jaroslav Stetsko’s per­sonal secretary.
• Review of Yuschenko and Poroshenko’s hon­or­ing of the OUN/B exe­cu­tion­ers at the site of the Babi Yar mas­sacre.
• Review of the Yuschenko’s links to the MAUP uni­ver­sity milieu, the anti-Semitic pri­vate edu­ca­tional insti­tute that employs David Duke as a fac­ulty member.
• Viatrovych’s appoint­ment to head The Insti­tute of National Mem­ory under Yuschenko and his re-appointment to the same posi­tion under Poroshenko.
• The grav­i­tas of David Duke in the polit­i­cal milieu embraced by Yuschenko and Poroshenko.