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Once again, you guys just don't think things through in any sort of logical way. So Ralph was part of the plot because if he doesn't mention the Stevenson incident the Milli Vanilli CIA doppelganger dude has no segue into his assassination riff and the whole thing is for naught.// Parker ============================== Hitchhiker already mentioned man part of plot (RUBY) right off . (AND) Hitchhiker was going to riff anyway ,he had incriminating photo ready to show right off. (JUST GOT LUCKY FOR SAID TROUBLE & JFK MEME WAS IN THE AIR). GAAL ============= He mentioned == assassination/package/Oswald PRIOR (exact size package of little import) the U GUYS of H & L got the emphasis right. Once again, you (anti H & L guys) guys just don't think things through in any sort of logical way. GAAL

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Ralph says hiker asked if he knew the Carousel Club or Jack Ruby. This is strong indicator it was the known hitchhiker, Larry Crafard. Ths also states that Yates was the one who initiated discussion about possible assassination. http://www.maryferre...eId=44&tab=page // PARKER QUOTE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GOLLY NO Mr. Parker you are wrong for the the hitchhiker (could be LHO since you believe he couldn't drive) asks Ralph Yates about Ruby not Ralph Yates asking hitchhiker. You have it backwards !! SEE PREVIOUS PAGE of FBI DOC you linked yourself see below BELOW // GAAL http://educationforu...ic=6017&p=53294 Although the activities of the schoolbook operatives often overlapped those of Jack Ruby, the only verifiable link was Lee Harvey Oswald. There were many witnesses testifying to an association between Ruby and Oswald, but the most credible is Daniel T. McGown. On March 31, 1963, McGown accidentally found a letter at the Carousel Club addressed to “Jake Rubinstein” with a return address from “Lee Oswald,” at 1106 Diceman Street in Dallas. McGown later confirmed that “Lee Oswald” was indeed Lee Harvey Oswald. [30] ############################################################# below Diceman article by Weston ############################################################## To Jake Rubenstein, c/o The Carousel Club William Weston October 2001 On October 31, 1976, a government agent greeted a gray-haired gentleman who, on his own initiative, came into the FBI office in Memphis, Tennessee. He had a secret about the Kennedy assassination, he said, and he wanted to disclose it. [1] The distinguished-looking visitor did not appear to be the type who would know something about the world of spies, pimps, drug dealers, con artists, and other disreputable denizens inhabiting the murky milieu of assassination intrigue. Daniel T. McGown, by anyone's standards, was a pillar of the community, a successful businessman with an honorable career in a prestigious profession. Born in 1908 in Brownwood, Texas, his family moved to Memphis prior to his graduation from high school. After receiving a degree from the School of Architecture at Georgia Tech, he went to work for Schulz & Norton, an architectural and engineering firm in Memphis. In 1941, he married Irma Lee Beasley, a daughter from one of Tennesee's more respectable families. During the course of their marriage, the couple had two children. In 1948, he started his own architectural firm, which over the years grew and prospered. He became president of the local chapter of the American Institute of Architects and was a member of the Calvary Episcopal Church. [2] Family man, businessman, church member, community server, Mr. McGown lived a life that was largely indistinguishable from thousands of other men of his class who lived around the country. However, in that fateful year of 1963, a strange twist of fate had placed within his hands a hitherto unknown secret regarding a connection between Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby. The incident occurred during a business trip to Texas in March 1963. McGown had flown to Austin, in order to check over the plans for a new building that was to be constructed on the campus of the University of Texas. When he had completed his survey, he rented a car and drove north to the city of Brownwood, where he spent a day with some relatives. He then drove to Fort Worth, where he visited his first cousin, a prominent attorney in that city. Late in the evening, he used his cousin's telephone to call his wife Irma. He wished her a happy birthday and said that he would see her the next day, when his plane arrived in Memphis. Irma's birthday was March 28. McGown left his cousin's house and drove east to Dallas. It was almost midnight when he checked in at the Adolphus Hotel on Commerce Street. After getting settled into his room, he felt like having a nightcap before going to bed. He left his room, went down the elevator to the lobby, and went outside. The brightly lit sign of the Carousel Club beckoned from across the street. He walked over to the club entrance door and opened it. Behind the door was a staircase, leading up to the second floor. When he reached the top of the stairs, he was stopped by a heavy-set man. The club was closing up, the man said, who then complained about city regulations that prevented him from keeping the place open after midnight. [3] Rebuffed by the manager of the club, McGown went back to his room. The following morning, McGown decided to do a little sightseeing, since he had a few hours to kill before his plane departed from Dallas. As he was walking down Commerce Street, he paused at the Carousel Club. Near the entrance was a showcase display featuring pictures of female performers. As he was gazing at the pictures, another man who was walking down the street crowded into the entryway to look at them too. It was an awkward moment for McGown as he tried to make room for the other man while at the same time trying to keep a favorable point of view for himself. Presently, the other man turned to leave. As he did so, he brushed by an overstuffed mailbox that hung on the entrance door. A few large pieces of mail, two magazines, and three letters spilled on the ground. The man continued on his way without stopping. McGown proceeded to pick up the envelopes and magazines and stuff them back into the box. He noticed that the three letters were written by women and were addressed to "Jake Rubenstein, c/o The Carousel Club." Rubenstein must have been the heavy-set man whom McGown met the previous night. He was probably also the one who hired women to be performers in the club. Perhaps the senders of the three letters were prospective applicants for employment. McGown looked at the envelopes again. Two of the women lived in Fort Worth, and one lived in Dallas. The name on the Dallas letter caught his attention, for he happened to have a friend who had the same last name. [4] After making a mental note of the address, he put the letters back in the box with the rest of the mail. The woman he was planning to visit was "Lee Oswald." Using a city map as a guide, McGown drove toward Miss Oswald's place. As he was approaching her street, he looked at the houses in the neighborhood. Expecting to see lower class housing, he was surprised to find upper middle class or upper class residences. McGown wondered about this. Why would anyone living in such an area have any dealings with a strip joint? When he arrived at his destination, he stopped the car and looked at it. It was a two-story apartment building, constructed in the cheap, boxy style that was becoming the prevailing fashion at that time. It had an outside stairway that led up to a balcony walk on the second floor. It was a new building, perhaps two or three years old at the most. For the convenience of the postman, there was a mailbox with individual compartments that stood facing the street next to the curb. In order to find the unit that Miss Oswald was renting, McGown got out of his car and looked over the names of the tenants posted on the compartment doors. When he found Oswald's name, he realized that he had made a mistake. The middle name of Lee Harvey Oswald showed that this person was not a woman. Without further ado, McGown got back into his car and drove away. Eight months later, when the names of Lee Oswald and Jack Ruby were being broadcasted on radio and television, the details of this episode came vividly back to his memory. Should he tell the authorities what he knew, or should he not? His reputation might suffer if this embarrassing incident ever became widely known. He hoped that the authorities would find out about Oswald's connection to Jack Ruby without his help. When the Warren Report was published, he bought a copy and read it from cover to cover. There was nothing in it to indicate that the government knew what he knew. Furthermore he read that the commission could find no "credible evidence" of an association between Oswald and Ruby. After the death of Jack Ruby in January 1967, McGown wondered if he was the only one left who still had the "credible evidence" that eluded the Warren Commission. Finally, nine years later, he told his wife about it. She encouraged him to go to the FBI. After all, his story might make a difference in the new, upcoming investigation into the JFK assassination that Congress was preparing to launch. Such were the circumstances that led Daniel T. McGown to the local office of the FBI in 1976. The FBI of course wanted to know where the apartment was. McGown could not remember its exact location, but he drew a diagram depicting the apartment in relation to the mailbox out front, as well as in relation to a nearby apartment that faced another street. He remembered that the address had four digits and sounded something like "Diceland." A Dallas city map showed that there were was no street with the name of "Diceland," but there were two with the name of "Diceman." One was Diceman Drive, and the other was Diceman Avenue. Dallas FBI agent Robert Gemberling drove out to Diceman Drive to see if there were any apartments matching McGown's diagram and description. Diceman Drive had single-family houses but no apartments. A few inquiries among the residents showed that no apartment had ever existed on that street. Next stop was Diceman Avenue. Gemberling looked from one end of the avenue to the other, and the only dwellings that he could see were single-family homes - with one exception. At the point where Diceman ran into Cedar Crest Boulevard was a two-story building made of brick. It was the Cedar Crest Heights Apartment. It had a second floor balcony walk with an iron railing just as McGown described it. Next to the curb was a large mailbox with sixteen key-locked compartments with tenant nametags. Adjacent to the building was another apartment facing Birdsong Street. The apartment at 1106 Diceman Avenue must be the place that McGown had visited in 1963. There was no other possibility. Still, Gemberling was not satisfied. He noticed that all the buildings in the neighborhood were rundown, dilapidated, and occupied entirely by lower-class blacks. This was not the upper class neighborhood that McGown claimed to have seen. Gemberling looked for the manager. He found him at a nearby office at 2514 Birdsong Avenue. The manager told him that the apartment was owned by a company called General Rental. It was built around 1959 or 1960, and it was the only apartment that had ever been on that street. The mailbox seen out front had been there since the apartment was first constructed. So far these extra details provided additional confirmation for McGown's story. Gemberling wanted to see the tenant records for 1963, but the manager told them that they no longer existed. They were destroyed with all the other tenant records in a fire that occurred in April 1968. Gemberling asked the manager if he knew anything about Oswald living in the apartment in 1963. Although the manager acknowledged that he had only been working for General Rental since 1969, he was nevertheless positive that Oswald could not have lived in the apartment in 1963. In an all-black neighborhood, people would have certainly remembered Oswald as the only white man living among them, and such was not the case. Apparently the manager's statement was enough to convince Gemberling that the 1106 Diceman lead was a dead end. No further inquiries were made, as far as the available records show. (There are however some "postponed in full" documents from the Memphis office of the FBI regarding a "Daniel McGowen" that are now in the National Archives.) To find out more about the apartment, I checked the 1963 Dallas criss-cross directory and found a former tenant by the name of Orlean Dorsey. I located Dorsey in Lufkin, Texas and called him up. Contrary to what the General Rental manager told Gemberling, Dorsey, who is black, said it was not an all-black apartment in 1963. Both white and black people lived there. Furthermore, the apartment was indeed located in a prestigious area. About a mile south of the apartment was the Lakeview Golf Course, where Dorsey worked as a landscape and maintenance man. Among the celebrities who played golf there were such baseball legends as Mickey Mantle and "Dizzy" Dean. At that time, the golf course was racially segregated. Whites played there during the day and blacks played at night. Not just anyone could live at the Cedar Crest Apartment. A prospective tenant had to have a very good background and excellent references. Dorsey was able to get his unit because he knew the manager, a black named Denny Blair, who often played golf at Lakeview. Blair was an employee of Bailey Rental, a white-owned company that had title to the Diceman apartment. (Bailey Rental was later renamed General Rental.) The Cedar Crest Apartment was an expensive place to live. It took all of Dorsey's wages to pay the rent. He was making $1.25 per hour and the rent was about $210 per month. The only way he could afford to live there was by working a lot of overtime on the weekends. By way of comparison, Oswald was making $1.35 per hour at Jaggers Chiles Stovall during the month of March 1963, and he was paying $72.68 a month for a one-bedroom flat at the Neely Street house. [5] Dorsey and his family moved into the apartment in November 1962. Because of his long working hours and because he was going to plumbing school at the same time, he did not get to know the other tenants. His wife and children also did not do much socializing. Thus he was unable to confirm or deny whether Oswald lived there. Dorsey and his family moved to another apartment in October 1963. The transition from an affluent, mainly white neighborhood to black lower class ghetto occurred during the mid-1960's, according to Dorsey who would come back to visit his former apartment from time to time. The quality of the building and the surrounding area deteriorated as a result of vandalism and neglect. When I called the General Rental office in 1995, I found out that the apartment was still owned by the Bailey family. I also learned that rent was only $50 per week - a real bargain for anyone brave enough to live there. Did Oswald live at the Cedar Crest Apartment? Considering the high cost of rent in 1963, it is unlikely he would have chosen to live there. A more reasonable possibility is that he used the address simply to receive his mail. As a man astute in the ways of intelligence, he no doubt realized that a mailbox at the post office was under surveillance. A second mailbox in another area would be highly useful for receiving mail from more sensitive sources. This line of reasoning is supported by the fact that most of the units at 1106 Diceman were listed as "vacant" in the criss-cross directories of 1962 and 1963. In 1962 only five of the sixteen units available were occupied. This ratio dropped to only four occupied units the following year. An apartment manager with a 75% vacancy rate might let someone temporarily use an unused mailbox for a small fee. It is interesting to note that on March 29, the day that McGown was at the Diceman apartment, Oswald was seen at a barbershop in Sparta, Wisconsin. Oswald told John Abbott, the barber, that he got his money by blackmailing a Texas nightclub operator, for whom he had previously worked. Each time he made a contact with this man, he would get fifty dollars. The money he obtained would be used to cover his travelling expenses. (He never gave the name of the nightclub operator.) Perhaps the Oswald letter that McGown saw was another demand for more money. McGown's story lends credence to the story of a connection between Ruby and Oswald in the May 17 edition of the National Enquirer. It said: "After a sniper shot at but missed General Walker in Dallas, April 10, 1963, Dallas police suspected that Oswald was the sniper and Ruby was the payoff man. The cops were set to arrest the pair. But they never got the chance, because of heavy pressure brought to bear by the Justice Dept. and so Oswald and Ruby were to remain free." The article also said that a top secret document, signed by a high official of the Justice Dept., was sent in April 1963 to Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry requesting the police not to arrest Oswald and Ruby. This document was reportedly in the hands of the Warren Commission. Given the potentially explosive implications of the above story, it is no wonder that the Warren Commission chose to discount all witnesses to a connection between Oswald and Ruby, including Wilburn Litchfield, Joe Franklin, and Bill DeMar. McGown's story is not only important in rehabilitating the credibility of these undeservedly maligned witnesses, but it also provides a glimpse into the covert ways by which Oswald and Ruby communicated with one another. ENDNOTES 1. Sources for this article were FBI reports in Memphis and Dallas. Also referred to were ten pages of McGown's hand-written account that was photocopied by the FBI. 2. Engagement announcement, Sept. 14, 1941; wedding announcement, Dec. 3, 1941, and obituary of Daniel T. McGown, March 5, 1985, in the Memphis newspaper, The Commercial Appeal. 3. According to Jack Ruby's bartender, Andrew Armstrong, clean up started at midnight on weeknights and at 1:00 am on Saturday and Sunday. All bottles and glasses had to be cleared off the tables by 12:15. If a vice squad police officer saw anyone drinking after 12:15, he could slap a five-day suspension on the club (Vol. 13 of the Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, p. 325). 4. Actually the friend's surname had a slightly different spelling. Felix Oswalt, a member of the Board of Education in Memphis, was the friend McGown was talking about. 5. Warren Report, p. 743. ____________________________________________________________ (Gaal comments below on above article) A professional man is traveling alone and sees an opportunity to meet strippers. Eight months later, when the names of Lee Oswald and Jack Ruby were being broadcasted on radio and television, the details of this episode came vividly back to his memory. Should he tell the authorities what he knew, or should he not? His reputation might suffer if this embarrassing incident ever became widely known. He hoped that the authorities would find out about Oswald's connection to Jack Ruby without his help. When the Warren Report was published, he bought a copy and read it from cover to cover. There was nothing in it to indicate that the government knew what he knew. Furthermore he read that the commission could find no "credible evidence" of an association between Oswald and Ruby. After the death of Jack Ruby in January 1967, McGown wondered if he was the only one left who still had the "credible evidence" that eluded the Warren Commission. Finally, nine years later, he told his wife about it. She encouraged him to go to the FBI. After all, his story might make a difference in the new, upcoming investigation into the JFK assassination that Congress was preparing to launch. Such were the circumstances that led Daniel T. McGown to the local office of the FBI in 1976. ********************************************** (Gaal) PAUSE AND REFLECT PAUSE AND REFLECT PAUSE AND REFLECT ............... What would motivate a professional married man to contact the FBI (in the early 1960s timeframe) and say he ," improperly looked at US Mail and wanted to 'hunt' down a stripper." ???? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Answer ZERO . No motivation to make up this story. ############ ############ ############ Greg Parker Posted 06 September 2012 - 12:40 AM Back in 2001, I made the following post to a news group: Quote Quote Quote DPD Criminal Intel Report on narcotics filed on Boxing Day, 1963 in summary states: From confidential source: Everett Edward Burnett DPD# 31924 and Robert Ray Jordon DPD# 30119 recently robbed an unknown Mexican from San Antonio, Texas of 2.5 ounces of heroin. Source further stated that these two men have also been committing drug store burglaries. They live in an apartment house on Gaston Ave. Exact address unknown. Informant further stated that Everett Edward Burnett is a homosexual and has had unnatural sex relations with Jack Leon Ruby. http://www.maryferre...717&relPageId=5 What immediately struck me about that was at least one of Ruby's prison psych's put in his report that Ruby thought Oswald looked like Paul Newman, It's also mentioned here: http://www.maryferre...bsPageId=367099 ================================================ also add http://spartacus-edu...JFKcheramie.htm Rose Cheramie 　 Rose Cheramie (Cherami) was found unconsciousness by the side of the road at Eunice, Louisiana, on 20th November, 1963. Lieutenant Francis Frugé of the Louisiana State Police took her to the state hospital. On the journey Cheramie said that she had been thrown out of a car by two gangsters who worked for Jack Ruby. She claimed that the men were involved in a plot to kill John F. Kennedy. Cheramie added that Kennedy would be killed in Dallas within a few days. Later she told the same story to doctors and nurses who treated her. As she appeared to be under the influence of drugs her story was ignored. Following the assassination, Cheramie was interviewed by the police. She claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald had visited Ruby's night club. In fact, she believed the two men were having a homosexual relationship. ################# ################# http://educationforu...ic=5074&p=41488( part of HOMOSEXUAL THREAD) +++++++++++++++++++++++ Was Oswald an Intelligence Agent? yes recruited by homosexual blackmail as a young boy. > > Ruby thought Oswald looked like Paul Newman < ---------------

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That's CT Myth No. 149. And it's just flat-out wrong. "In actuality, the distinct possibility exists that John B. Connally went to his grave with a mere TWO tiny bullet fragments left in his whole body (one in the thigh and one in his wrist)." -- DVP; Dec. 18, 2011 More.... jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/06/connally-bullet-fragments.html President Gerald Ford to Valery French president Giscard d'Estaing - JFK assassination was a conspiracy: “We arrived at an initial conclusion: it was not the work of one person, it was something set up. We were sure it was set up.” From Robert Morrow 512-306-1510 Weblink: 1) http://ctka.net/2013/VGEonJFK.html ============== Original article from 11-21-2013: http://www.rtl.fr/actu/international/kennedy-le-reve-a-ete-assassine-avec-l-homme-dit-giscard-7767111282 ============== «Gerald Ford (president of the United States from 1974 to 1977, editor’s note) was a member of the Warren Commission», Valéry Giscard d’Estaing resumes. «Once I was making a car trip with him, he was then President as I was myself. I said to him: 'Let me ask you an indiscreet question: you were on the Warren Commission, what conclusions did you arrive at?' He told me: 'It's not a satisfactory [i.e., positive (ntr)] one. We arrived at an initial conclusion: it was not the work of one person, it was something set up. We were sure that it was set up. But we were not able to discover by whom.'» The Kennedy Assassination: «The dream was assassinated along with the man», Giscard says. Radio-Télévision Luxembourg Document. The former President of the Republic tells how he learned about the assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy from the mouth of a passerby, and affirms that he believes there were others behind it. ================ By Jérome Chapuis (21 November, 2013) ================ Fifty years ago, «JFK» collapsed in his state convertible while riding through the streets of Dallas, Texas, struck down by several bullets. John Fitzgerald Kennedy, 35th President of the United States (a Democrat), was assassinated the 22 of October [November, (ntr)], 1963, and still today, the truth about this crime has not yet been officially established. Valéry Giscard d’Estaing, at that time Minister of Finance for General de Gaulle, became aware of the event that stupefied the world "in a remarkable manner". «I left my office in the Louvre in order to catch a plane to Villacoublay, on the way to the Auvergne, and on the sidewalk to the right, there was a middle-aged man who was gesturing excitedly: he raised his arm, as if he were hitch-hiking», the former head of state relates for the microphones of RTL = «I said to myself, 'what’s going on, what could be happening?', continues Valéry Giscard d’Estaing. We slowed down, I rolled down the window, he leaned over and said to me, 'The President of the United States was just assassinated, I heard it on the radio, I immediately came out of my house in order to spread the word everywhere.' And he burst into sobbing. Here was someone who had been so traumatized that he could not keep the news to himself.» For the one who performed the highest functions of state from 1974 to 1981, the emotion of this anonymous figure mirrors the shock felt by «all the French» that day. «Because in the assassination of Kennedy, there is in a sense the idea of the assassination of a dream», he says. «When one murders a dream, it is not just the person who is murdered, the dream is killed together with [that person].» The former French President incidentally revealed a few tasty tidbits concerning his relationship with the emblematic American head of state, whom he met in the Oval Office. «He asked me for advice!», notably on inflation, he lets on. As for the atmosphere which reined at the White House during that period, «it was youthfulness which was in power. Youth, which wanted to change the world. He profoundly inspired me», he confides. VGE convinced by the theory there was a conspiracy But if the myth was not extinguished with the man, a blur remains over the true reasons for his death. One man, Lee Harvey Oswald, was rapidly apprehended; he was accused of having fired upon the young President three times with a carbine in a moment favored by fate. He was never brought to trial, murdered less than 48 hours after his questioning. Two official inquiries, whose conclusions are controversial, confirm his guilt: the Warren Commission, in 1974 [1964 (ntr)], and the Stokes [commission, i.e., HSCA (ntr)], from 1976 to 1978. But innumerable theories claim something else: for the conspiracists, Oswald was supposedly remote-controlled by the CIA, the FBI or the extreme Right, depending on the version. --------------------------------------------------------- «Gerald Ford (president of the United States from 1974 to 1977, editor’s note) was a member of the Warren Commission», Valéry Giscard d’Estaing resumes. «Once I was making a car trip with him, he was then President as I was myself. I said to him: 'Let me ask you an indiscreet question: you were on the Warren Commission, what conclusions did you arrive at?' He told me: 'It's not a satisfactory [i.e., positive (ntr)] one. We arrived at an initial conclusion: it was not the work of one person, it was something set up. We were sure that it was set up. But we were not able to discover by whom.'» «Thus there was an organization, which has never been brought to light, which detested, which hated or which feared President Kennedy, and which decided to get rid of him. That is my conviction», the former head of state decisively concludes. Whence we come to learn that two former presidents among the most powerful of their era support the theory of a conspiracy. ---------------------------------- http://www.rtl.fr/actu/international/kennedy-le-reve-a-ete-assassine-avec-l-homme-dit-giscard-7767111282

Steve Kober Member 27 posts Gender:Male Location:New Jersey Posted 17 December 2008 - 05:33 PM === Bill, I think you may want to refer to Chapter 13 of the book "Live By the Sword" by Gus Russo. In that chapter Russo writes "during a FBI interview Dempsey Jones clearly recalled that on Wednesday, November 20, Yates came in and told him of his strange rider who discussed shotting the President from a building (FBI interview of Ralph Yates 26 november 1963; also FBI interview of Dempsey Jones 28 November 1963. " If Jones is right about "clearly" remembering Yates story and is sure that the story was told to him before 22 Nov, then it would seem that Yates story is confirmed by a second person. Personally, I believe Yates. To me it is an example of the second Oswalds setting up LHO, although this is a bit clumsey and over the top. Steve Kober

THE CIA is a compartmentalized organization. Sometimes OPS fought against CI. Ive posted on how CI might have wanted a FRENCH INTELL PATSY. the TSBD may be a ONI op and CIA and ONI can be at loggerheads. State Department had own agenda (and was also compartmentalized with Globalist / antiglobalist sides) that could conflict with CIA/ONI. incompetence by lower level operatives and separated agenda of lower level operatives must be noted. Russia military inferior to USA in nukes didn't want a war and elites in USA knew that. ============================================================================= GAAL

Many people on the CT side sacrificed career ,health ,wealth and relationships. I don't know what lone nutters have given up. For a number of Lone nutters were extremely well paid via book deals and career advancement. =============== this post unaddressed by ANTI H & L side http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=21997&p=305797

gee was I counted ?? 16 - 7 GAAL

Banks and other lenders continued to aggressively repossess central Ohio homes - http://12160.info/page/banks-and-other-lenders-continued-to-aggressively-repossess-centr

I'm open to reasonable folk from either side - especially, Vince Bugliosi who's just passed - I have an enormous respect for his reasoning and tactical skills (after having just read And The Sea Will Tell). yes good reasoning but a man with a agenda, IMHO GAAL ============================================= see http://www.ctka.net/reclaim.html ============= best part of above link (but all above in the link good) http://www.ctka.net/reviews/reclaiming_parkland.html

SO GEE IF I QUOTE A POST FROM ANOTHER SITE SAYING PARNELL IS PAID TO POSTS ITS OK WITH Kathy Beckett // GAAL

John Armstrong produced a huge volume that unearthed a great deal of important information. Serious researchers understand this, even if they don't agree with the overall theory. You, however, are absolutely obsessed with trying to destroy his work. You may have a few loyal followers to continue to yell "Attaboy." but you are simply discrediting yourself as a researcher. However you look at it, everything you write seems to be an attempt to dilute the case for conspiracy. // Don Jeffries ======================================================================== YES Don. Who is the main anti- H & L man ?? ANSWER: Parnell who is a lone nutter. Golly says a lot to me. GAAL

NO SIR !!! YOU MADE THE ALLIGATION the H & L PEOPLE are the ones that LIE and are PAID TO POST !!!!!! GAAL ======================================================================== less like a sincere .......It is a well-funded,// PARNELL QUOTES !! Parnell does forum rule violation. GAAL ================== see Parnell post http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19762&p=306022

Picking up on a theory offered by G reg P arker, the whole Harvey and Lee debacle feels less like a sincere research project and more like a Trojan horse designed to upend serious efforts, and sow serious discord within the research community. Created by independently wealthy John Armstrong, who somehow has the means to travel the world in the pursuit of information he can use to further his mission, the book and its devoted followers routinely offer ridiculously circuitous data, distracting side issues, unprovable theories and a loosely constructed narrative that can safely be called cringe-worthy by most rational thinkers.......It is a well-funded,// PARNELL ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] less like a sincere .......It is a well-funded,// PARNELL LIE & PAID TO POST ?? gee forum rule violation ?? GAAL ================================================================================ debacle ?? ID stamped on clinic records ........addressed Marguerite Oswald ID testimony ....addressed Odio testimony ........................addressed Photo re Frankenstein ................addressed School attendance ....................addressed Bronx zoo photo ......................addressed (real research with call to ZOO for height of rail) Landesberg ............................addressed (Armstrong left it as a question mark and there was a ID of him in the 60s Book Parnell posted on) ========================================================================================================================== To use the term debacle is ,IMHO, really bravado and bluster. GAAL

CRAFARD ?? who played MARINA ?? (below) I do believe it was CRAFARD with employment counselor in Dallas named Laura Kittrell. BUT many OTHERS LHO sightings ,just don't think so. IMHO GAAL =========================================== Posted by Steven Gaal on 16 June 2015 - 04:21 PM in JFK Assassination Debate = Mrs. Ambrose Martinez worked as an Intake Secretary in the Welfare Office of the Salvation Army at 500 North Ervay Street in Dallas. She recalled that two or three months before the assassination Lee and Marina Oswald, accompanied by both of their children, (Marina gave birth in Oct) came to the Salvation Army seeking aid. Mrs. Martinez remembered the Oswalds because Marina spoke only Russian and recalled that she listed her father in Moscow as a reference (Marina's father died when she was young) while Lee Oswald listed a "Mrs. Paine" as a reference. Oswald said that he and his wife were living with Mrs. Paine in Irving, Texas (not true) and they had met Mrs. Paine in New Orleans (Harvey and Marina met Ruth Paine in Dallas).17 // JOESPH ======================================================================== I get it Salvation Army full of KOOKS ..yeah that's it and drunk ...yeah and can be bought off yeah .....just want attention ...liars all yeah that's it !!! >>>>>> THAT WHAT U THINK WHEN U THINK SALVATION ARMY !!! >>>GAAL TONGUE IN CHEEK ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] http://www.salvation...org/ihq/ourwork OUR WORK From family tracing to disaster response, The Salvation Army offers a wide variety of services worldwide. Below is an overview of what we do. If you would like to find out more about any of the services we offer, please get in contact with the Salvation Army in your country. = Addiction Dependency For those in need, the Salvation Army runs a number of addiction rehabilitation programs. We believe in taking the holistic approach, not just helping the client to overcome their addiction, but attacking the roots of that addiction. Emergency Response From sites of natural and man-made disasters to places of human conflict, the Salvation Army is there to provide compassion and practical support to those in real and sudden need. The Army strives to provide first for the immediate physical needs but beyond that, ministry for the aching heart and the weary soul. = Family Tracing The Family Tracing Service was officially established in 1885, when it was designated as 'Mrs Booth's Enquiry Bureau'. It has developed to become one of The Salvation Army's most distinctive international services in many territories where it continues to be in operation 120 years on. The mission of the Family Tracing Service is to restore or sustain family relationships by tracing relatives with whom contact has been lost, either recently or in the distant past. To find out more about the Family Tracing Service or to apply to have a relative traced, please contact the Salvation Army in the country where you reside. = Health Services International Projects = Social Work The Salvation Army is one of the largest social care providers in the World. There are social programs running in almost every country we operate in. = Sports Ministry International Headquarters’ Sports Ministry Desk exists to encourage, support and resource Salvation Army Sports Ministry leaders around the world to find connections, to build relationships and to help people and communities to enjoy healthy lives in bodies, minds and souls. It does this as part of The Salvation Army’s mission to ‘save souls, grow saints and serve suffering humanity’. }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} also see http://www1.salvatio...2F?openDocument

see above post for good bee info link ------------------------------------------------------------ 100,000 German Beekeepers Call for GMO Cultivation Ban = http://www.globalresearch.ca/100000-german-beekeepers-call-for-gmo-cultivation-ban/5456622

see https://www.metabunk.org/was-mh17-downed-by-a-buk-fired-from-zaroshens%E2%80%99kye.t6345/ ============ wreckage tells the tale (from above link) HOWEVER NON HONEST brokers AUSTRALIANS are studying the debris field as we speak to make (coverup) official report. (GAAL) ====================================== Fake Evidence Blaming Russia for MH-17? May 18, 2015 -------------------- https://consortiumnews.com/2015/05/18/fake-evidence-blaming-russia-for-mh-17/ ]]]]]]]]]]]]---------------o--------------------[[[[[[[[[[[[[ also see http://www.afr.com/news/politics/national/russian-pundit-attacks-tony-abbott-over-cynical-mh17-plot-20141115-11nbk3 ===================================== Let’s Debunk Some of the Debunking of the Flight MH17 Shoot Down Photo Posted on November 15, 2014 by willyloman by Scott Creighton https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2014/11/15/lets-debunk-some-of-the-debunking-of-the-flight-mh17-shoot-down-photo/ (THIS SHOWS BELLINGCAT (BURTON SOURCE) PURE DISINFO,GAAL 00000000000000000000000000000 AUSTRALIA OUT FOR THE BIG LIE (GAAL)

Secret Death Squads Backed by Thatcher Gov’t Killed Hundreds in N. Ireland = by The Daily Coin · June 16, 2015 = http://thedailycoin.org/?p=33351 Following the broadcast of an Irish documentary, a number of human rights groups are calling on London to take responsibility for its role in colluding with paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland. These actions allegedly resulted in the deaths of hundreds of Catholics, all to support the Crown. In 1974, a coordinated attack was launched in the Irish cities of Dublin and Monaghan. On May 17, three car bombs were detonated during rush hour in the nation’s capital. Only 90 minutes later, a fourth explosion went off in Monaghan, just south of the border with Northern Ireland. Thirty-three people were killed. An estimated 300 were injured. The loyalist paramilitary group Ulster Volunteer Force claimed responsibility for the attack, and in a recent Irish documentary, “Collusion,” a member of the group claims that the bombings were conducted under direction from the British Army. The goal: to implement a civil war. This is only one of several claims levied against the Thatcher government for its role in the Troubles, and in the face of “overwhelming evidence of collusion,” human rights groups and Irish officials are calling for the British government to own up. “As a result of the RTE programme ‘Collusion’ showing the knowledge by British Prime Ministers of the murder of Catholics with British army assistance, it is time for the Irish Government to stop asking and start demanding,” said Senator Mark Daly, according to Irish Central. The allegations suggest that the British Army’s secret Force Research Unit (FRU) recruited and managed members of paramilitary organizations in its efforts in “destroying” the IRA. These gangs, acting under orders from the army, executed hundreds of innocent people. According to Anne Cadwallader, author of “Lethal Allies,” a single loyalist group may have been responsible for the deaths of 120 Catholics. Other evidence also points to British involvement in the assassination of Belfast solicitor Pat Finucane. Famed lawyer of Bobby Sands, leader of the Republican hunger strike in Maze Prison, Finucane was gunned down by members of the Ulster Defence Association who were acting as paid informants for the Royal Ulster Constabulary. “Carry on – just don’t get caught,” British government officials told former Special Branch head, Raymond White, according to the documentary. Allegations also say Thatcher’s administration attempted to downplay investigations into murders involving collusion, and former Police Ombudsman Nuala O’Lown said that authorities in London were still involved in covering British involvement as late as 2003. “Soft diplomacy has got us nowhere it’s time to ask the EU, UN and the Hague war crimes tribunal to carry out investigations,” Daly said. “The British Prime Minister and State were no better than a third world dictatorship ordering a terror campaign by murder gangs who deliberately and indiscriminately murdered Catholic and Irish Citizens.” On Thursday, Taoiseach Enda Kenny will meet with Prime Minister David Cameron in London. While part of those discussions will involve economic matters between the two countries, Kenny is also expected to discuss “legacy issues,” seeking British documents which detail the collusion. But even if Kenny succeeds, it may be too late. “The initial British response at political level was denial. The second phase was usually cover-up and the last phase eventually was apology,” former secretary general of the Department of Foreign Affairs Sean Donlon said during the documentary. “But the apology, of course, never came in the lifetime of the administration which had been involved.” -------------------================--------------- - See more at: http://thedailycoin.org/?p=33351#sthash.STChMG7V.dpuf

Blue Privilege? Cop Admits to Shooting Wife in the Head, Released From Jail In Less Than 24 Hours ============ In light of the rate at which police literally get away with murder, is it really any wonder why an increasing number of Americans distrust, resent or even hate cops? = more at http://www.blacklistednews.com/Blue_Privilege%3F_Cop_Admits_to_Shooting_Wife_in_the_Head%2C_Released_From_Jail_In_Less_Than_24_Hours/44607/0/38/38/Y/M.html

Not by my reading of the book. It is clear that Sanders thinks the actor and agitator were one and the same person, which they were not-Armstrong disproved that theory himself. From the Sanders book: By November 29, the FBI office in NYC sent out a notice that the investigation was to cease. They had learned by then that Rizzuto, the original source to radio host Barry Gray, and L’Eandes and Landesberg were one and the same! Steve Landesberg later became a well-known television comedian, starring on the “Barney Miller”sitcom, and why he claimed that Oswald had disrupted political meetings in Greenwich Village remains a mystery. So it appears to me that Sanders believes the FBI was right that Landesberg/L'Eandes/Rizzuto were the same person and that person was the actor Landesberg. He also doesn't seem to buy the Oswald stuff. Nothing about a "team" here. Hollywood crowd loved the JFK / Camelot story ,thus to say you are part of the Oswald 'team" does not make sense if you want a Hollywood career. Unless its true ,NO ??? GAAL ============================ Hargrove// Posted Yesterday, 09:05 PM In a book called The Glories of the Early '60s, author Ed Sanders provides information that shows that the actor Steve Landesberg and the agitator Steve Landesberg were both working together as a team. Here is a summary of the information from the book: Al Fowler was a National Merit Scholar in High School, and later a poet. In the early 1960s Fowler knew and associated with Steve Landesberg, and saw him cause disruptions at various liberal rallies using a strong Southern accent. On one occasion, Landesberg talked at length about Castro, Cuba, and the FPCC. He discussed his family, life in New Orleans, and talked in detail about the French Quarter. A couple of years later, Fowler saw Landesberg again, now wearing a nice suit but no longer sporting a Southern accent. Landesberg offered Fowler $600 to fly to Montreal and bring back a small package, contents unknown. Fowler refused the offer, and clearly stated that the man he knew creating disturbances at liberal rallies was Steve Landesberg, the actor. The account of Fowler and Landesberg is described in the book The Glories of the Early '60s, by Ed Sanders. ============= SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many mistaken about IDs RE FOWLER/Landesberg (GAAL)

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10 Years of Climate Data Shows No Sign of Global Warming Joshua Krause The Daily Sheeple June 16th, 2015 - http://www.thedailysheeple.com/10-year-climate-data-shows-no-sign-of-global-warming_062015 See more at: http://www.thedailysheeple.com/10-year-climate-data-shows-no-sign-of-global-warming_062015#sthash.Qt4yQdlX.dpuf

If you have not ...please read post # 1 this thread ,thank you Steven Gaal ====------------------------------------------oooooo-----------------------------------------------=== Veterans Urge Drone Operators to Refuse Orders to Fly ============================================== http://worldbeyondwar.org/veterans-urge-drone-operators-to-refuse-orders-to-fly/

Sunday Times levels copyright charges at Greenwald after he debunks Snowden report = http://rt.com/news/267541-greenwald-sunday-times-copyright/