Jack White Posted May 22, 2007 Author Share Posted May 22, 2007 (edited) I will continue to post research in the "four sticks" series regardless of how many times Apollogist Burton locks it... every day if necessary. He is totally out of line to consider it his power to censor legitimate research which he disagrees with. He certainly has no power to control how I conduct my research or how I publish it. I REFUSE TO BE CENSORED. I have asked simple questions which can be answered by observing photos. No file numbers are necessary. When I post the FINAL research on Aulis, then the personal attacks may begin. Burton has called my research frivolous. He is entitled to that private OPINION...but he should not be allowed to force HIS BIASED OPINION ON THE ENTIRE FORUM. He may refuse to consider what I post, but he should not be allowed to censor it! He will call this image frivolous also...but it is legitimate SERIOUS RESEARCH. This image is cropped from an Apollo photo. I simply am asking anyone, not just Mr. Burton, what it represents. The file number is irrelevant to such an opinion. The file numbers of the four photos will be presented when my Aulis research is complete. Jack ADDENDUM...WHEN I POSTED THIS MESSAGE ABOUT TEN MINUTES AGO, IT HAD AN IMAGE ATTACHED. I VERIFIED THAT THE IMAGE WAS ATTACHED. NOW THE IMAGE HAS BEEN REMOVED! WHAT KIND OF CRAP IS THIS? Edited May 22, 2007 by Jack White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 (edited) I didn't lock the thread Jack; it's still open and has never been closed. I have not censored any of your posts (either via editing or deleting). It is YOU who is doing the slandering. Edited May 22, 2007 by Evan Burton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted May 22, 2007 Author Share Posted May 22, 2007 I didn't lock the thread Jack; it's still open and has never been closed.I have not censored any of your posts (either via editing or deleting). It is YOU who is doing the slandering. OH, YEAH?...THE POSTING ABOVE HAD AN IMAGE ATTACHED. IT HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED. I DID NOT REMOVE IT. WHO DID? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 I didn't lock the thread Jack; it's still open and has never been closed.I have not censored any of your posts (either via editing or deleting). It is YOU who is doing the slandering. OH, YEAH?...THE POSTING ABOVE HAD AN IMAGE ATTACHED. IT HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED. I DID NOT REMOVE IT. WHO DID? I suggest that we not review this whiners work until it is posted with image numbers, whenever that may be. If Jack can not extend the simple courtesy to post image numbers for the members of this forum he deserves to be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 I didn't lock the thread Jack; it's still open and has never been closed.I have not censored any of your posts (either via editing or deleting). It is YOU who is doing the slandering. OH, YEAH?...THE POSTING ABOVE HAD AN IMAGE ATTACHED. IT HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED. I DID NOT REMOVE IT. WHO DID? There were two threads with the same name and the same time. This is the duplicate posting that we have seen time and time again. I deleted the first one - as I have done with many other people (removing duplicate posts). For whatever reason, your image did apparently not get attached to the second thread of the same name. May I suggest you simply edit your post and put it back? Now, back to your claim of my locking threads; the forum software (I believe) makes an audit trail of when a thread was locked, if it was opened, and who performed the actions. How about we ask Andy or John to get the details from the site host people, and see who is telling the truth? I will expect an apology from you after the evidence is brought forward Jack. You simply cannot go on making false and spurious claims as you have been doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin M. West Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Here's a tip for you Jack. Always write long posts in a text editor and then cut & paste them in when you're ready to submit. You never know when a forum might lose your session, your browser might crash, etc. By the way, the '4 sticks' photo was explained in the last thread, and yet again the image numbers that you REFUSED to give led to the answer. Can you do some honest work for once and give the source images and tell how you manipulated them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti Hynonen Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 As a response to the moderation report by Mr. White, I have now reviewed the latest postings and events on this thread. I can see that Mr. Burton has explained what took place with regards to double posting, and the deletion of the double. The easiest (only?) way to fix this is for Mr. White to re-attach the file/photo in question. As long as the postings on this thread are related to the subject and otherwise follows Forum rules, I see no reason to lock it. Of course if there are further moderation reports, I will consider locking this thread. As a general comment I'd like to point out that some postings directed at fellow members leave something to be desired. Personally, I'd like to see a change in attitudes and in the way in which you address each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Geraghty Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 I didn't lock the thread Jack; it's still open and has never been closed.I have not censored any of your posts (either via editing or deleting). It is YOU who is doing the slandering. OH, YEAH?...THE POSTING ABOVE HAD AN IMAGE ATTACHED. IT HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED. I DID NOT REMOVE IT. WHO DID? I suggest that we not review this whiners work until it is posted with image numbers, whenever that may be. If Jack can not extend the simple courtesy to post image numbers for the members of this forum he deserves to be ignored. Can we dispense with the name calling please, thinking it is sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Greer Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 He will call this image frivolous also...but it is legitimateSERIOUS RESEARCH. This image is cropped from an Apollo photo. I simply am asking anyone, not just Mr. Burton, what it represents. The file number is irrelevant to such an opinion. The file numbers of the four photos will be presented when my Aulis research is complete. Jack Answers were given to in the main thread, i.e. they were the last 4 frames on the reel which were exposed in order to prevent the EVA photos suffering sunstrike when the film cartridge was reomved from the camera. That is what the ALSJ describes them as, and they bear all the hallmarks i.e. no apparent attempt at proper framing, arm in the field of view of two of the photos, sunstrike on the last image. Do you accept this as a plausible explanation? If not, why not? If this really is legitimate serious research as you claim, then you should be able to answer these two questions. Otherwise it's little more than a wild goose chase IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 I didn't lock the thread Jack; it's still open and has never been closed.I have not censored any of your posts (either via editing or deleting). It is YOU who is doing the slandering. OH, YEAH?...THE POSTING ABOVE HAD AN IMAGE ATTACHED. IT HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED. I DID NOT REMOVE IT. WHO DID? I suggest that we not review this whiners work until it is posted with image numbers, whenever that may be. If Jack can not extend the simple courtesy to post image numbers for the members of this forum he deserves to be ignored. Can we dispense with the name calling please, thinking it is sufficient. No Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 I will continue to post research in the "four sticks" seriesregardless of how many times Apollogist Burton locks it... every day if necessary. He is totally out of line to consider it his power to censor legitimate research which he disagrees with. He certainly has no power to control how I conduct my research or how I publish it. I REFUSE TO BE CENSORED. I have asked simple questions which can be answered by observing photos. No file numbers are necessary. When I post the FINAL research on Aulis, then the personal attacks may begin. Burton has called my research frivolous. He is entitled to that private OPINION...but he should not be allowed to force HIS BIASED OPINION ON THE ENTIRE FORUM. He may refuse to consider what I post, but he should not be allowed to censor it! He will call this image frivolous also...but it is legitimate SERIOUS RESEARCH. This image is cropped from an Apollo photo. I simply am asking anyone, not just Mr. Burton, what it represents. The file number is irrelevant to such an opinion. The file numbers of the four photos will be presented when my Aulis research is complete. Jack Jack perhaps rather that rant on about threads that weren’t being locked you’d be willing to address your apparent attempted deception uncovered by Evan. It not only explains your fake question but shows why indeed we always want to get uncropped images and image numbers from you. If you don’t want to be accused of being dishonest you should stop playing such games. Frankly your latest stunt baffled me, didn’t you know some one would find the original images? Your suggestion that suppling image numbers is doing your critics “research for them” is absurd, if you are really after the truth you should supply all relevant information. If you know the numbers asking other to spend perhaps hours looking for a cropped (and at times altered) detail from amongst thousands of images is absurd. Emphasis added Today I came across this odd Apollo series of four photos.They are four consecutive photos of a stick stuck in the ground. They are nearly identical. Someone please tell me what was so important about this stick that four shots were used on it. No, for purposes of answering this, you do NOT need the file numbers. If you are such experts, you already know them, or can find them easily. I will not do your research for you. I suggest that Jack be reprimanded (by a moderator other than Evan) unless he can explain how his selective cropping. rotating and misleading description of the images was anything but and attempted fraud. He claimed the images were “nearly identical” but only his altered versions match that description the originals clearly don’t. Also someone who claims to know as much about Apollo photography as he does should have known they were “clearing shots”. I also suggest the other thread be locked as having two threads on the same topic unnecessarily cuts up the discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 I will expect an apology from you after the evidence is brought forward Jack. You simply cannot go on making false and spurious claims as you have been doing. I hope you're patient! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Geraghty Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 I didn't lock the thread Jack; it's still open and has never been closed.I have not censored any of your posts (either via editing or deleting). It is YOU who is doing the slandering. OH, YEAH?...THE POSTING ABOVE HAD AN IMAGE ATTACHED. IT HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED. I DID NOT REMOVE IT. WHO DID? I suggest that we not review this whiners work until it is posted with image numbers, whenever that may be. If Jack can not extend the simple courtesy to post image numbers for the members of this forum he deserves to be ignored. Can we dispense with the name calling please, thinking it is sufficient. No Thanks. Civility costs nothing and buys everything. -Mary Wortley Montague If at least only for your own sense of decorum Craig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 (edited) I didn't lock the thread Jack; it's still open and has never been closed.I have not censored any of your posts (either via editing or deleting). It is YOU who is doing the slandering. OH, YEAH?...THE POSTING ABOVE HAD AN IMAGE ATTACHED. IT HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED. I DID NOT REMOVE IT. WHO DID? I suggest that we not review this whiners work until it is posted with image numbers, whenever that may be. If Jack can not extend the simple courtesy to post image numbers for the members of this forum he deserves to be ignored. Can we dispense with the name calling please, thinking it is sufficient. No Thanks. Civility costs nothing and buys everything. -Mary Wortley Montague If at least only for your own sense of decorum Craig. I aptly described Jacks actions in his post at the start of this tread and you seem to think that is somehow name calling. PLEASE! Lets just call a spade a spade....THAT'S true civility. All the rest is poppycock. Edited May 22, 2007 by Craig Lamson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti Hynonen Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Craig Lamson Posted Today, 02:07 PM QUOTE(John Geraghty @ May 22 2007, 03:04 PM) QUOTE(Craig Lamson @ May 22 2007, 02:31 PM) QUOTE(John Geraghty @ May 22 2007, 01:36 PM) QUOTE(Craig Lamson @ May 22 2007, 04:09 AM) QUOTE(Jack White @ May 22 2007, 03:55 AM) QUOTE(Evan Burton @ May 22 2007, 02:39 AM) I didn't lock the thread Jack; it's still open and has never been closed. I have not censored any of your posts (either via editing or deleting). It is YOU who is doing the slandering. OH, YEAH?...THE POSTING ABOVE HAD AN IMAGE ATTACHED. IT HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED. I DID NOT REMOVE IT. WHO DID? I suggest that we not review this whiners work until it is posted with image numbers, whenever that may be. If Jack can not extend the simple courtesy to post image numbers for the members of this forum he deserves to be ignored. Can we dispense with the name calling please, thinking it is sufficient.No Thanks. Civility costs nothing and buys everything. -Mary Wortley Montague If at least only for your own sense of decorum Craig. I aptly described Jacks actions in his post at the start of this tread and you seem to think that is somehow name calling. PLEASE! Lets just call a spade a spade....THAT'S true civility. All the rest is poppycock. Mr. Lamson, this is your opinion. I too think such name calling is unnecessary. The same rule applies to all. I am asking you to refrain from resorting to this in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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