Bomb for Brown

[Guest David Guyatt]

Please teacher, can we get back to the subject in hand?

Thank you.

Signed

Teachers pet.

The subject in hand you strange boy is a discussion thread about the recent terrorist incidents in London and Glasgow. What you are chuntering on about is anyone's guess.

The bit of my post you are being willfully myopic about was based on your following tirade to Sid's post:

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You are a fool if you believe that the religious attacks on the UK, Australia and the USA have been inspired by anything other than misguided god heads hoping for a quick route to paradise and a large number of virgins.

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Pay attention... you silly boy.

While the bit about virgins is tempting, might I point out that I started the subject in hand -- namely the thread "about the recent terrorist incidents in London and Glasgow" -- and how they are possibly part of an Anglo-American strategy of tension that is using religious and racial differences to disguise their politically motivated domestic manipulations. I even cited an earlier example where such activity is known to have taken place (Italy circa 1970/80) and which to this day remains subject to national security cloak (in the large, anyway).

There is even good reason to suppose that much that went on with the IRA troubles over the last 30 years, likewise became entangled with a British strategy of tension doctrine. Thanks in large part to the fascist inspired Thatchler government (the one you probably voted in).

However, if the foregoing is not plain enough for you to grasp, then I would be happy to try and see if a brail copy can be made for you to run your finger tips over. In extremis, it might even be possible to get a Peter & Jane and Spot the Dog series of childrens books on the go for you. Pictures are, after all, worth a thousand words don't you think...

David

[Guest]

Pay attention... you silly boy.

While the bit about virgins is tempting, might I point out that I started the subject in hand -- namely the thread "about the recent terrorist incidents in London and Glasgow" -- and how they are possibly part of an Anglo-American strategy of tension that is using religious and racial differences to disguise their politically motivated domestic manipulations. I even cited an earlier example where such activity is known to have taken place (Italy circa 1970/80) and which to this day remains subject to national security cloak (in the large, anyway).

There is even good reason to suppose that much that went on with the IRA troubles over the last 30 years, likewise became entangled with a British strategy of tension doctrine. Thanks in large part to the fascist inspired Thatchler government (the one you probably voted in).

However, if the foregoing is not plain enough for you to grasp, then I would be happy to try and see if a brail copy can be made for you to run your finger tips over. In extremis, it might even be possible to get a Peter & Jane and Spot the Dog series of childrens books on the go for you. Pictures are, after all, worth a thousand words don't you think...

David

Whilst I have no real desire to continue the abusive tone you have so inelegantly set I have to conclude from your most recent mental masturbation on this forum that you are a presumptious and dangerous idiot.

I am well aware that you started this thread not least because I am the administrator of this forum.

Doused as you are in the muddled fog of conspiracy you are incapable of allowing contrary opinion to be aired or for a discussion to develop along lines that do not easily support your preferred fantasies. Fortunately I have a team of moderators here to counter such fascistic tendencies.

[Guest David Guyatt]

Pay attention... you silly boy.

While the bit about virgins is tempting, might I point out that I started the subject in hand -- namely the thread "about the recent terrorist incidents in London and Glasgow" -- and how they are possibly part of an Anglo-American strategy of tension that is using religious and racial differences to disguise their politically motivated domestic manipulations. I even cited an earlier example where such activity is known to have taken place (Italy circa 1970/80) and which to this day remains subject to national security cloak (in the large, anyway).

There is even good reason to suppose that much that went on with the IRA troubles over the last 30 years, likewise became entangled with a British strategy of tension doctrine. Thanks in large part to the fascist inspired Thatchler government (the one you probably voted in).

However, if the foregoing is not plain enough for you to grasp, then I would be happy to try and see if a brail copy can be made for you to run your finger tips over. In extremis, it might even be possible to get a Peter & Jane and Spot the Dog series of childrens books on the go for you. Pictures are, after all, worth a thousand words don't you think...

David

Whilst I have no real desire to continue the abusive tone you have so inelegantly set I have to conclude from your most recent mental masturbation on this forum that you are a presumptious and dangerous idiot.

I am well aware that you started this thread not least because I am the administrator of this forum.

Doused as you are the muddled fog of conspiracy you are incapable of allowing contrary opinion to be aired or for a discussion to develop along lines that do not easily support your preferred fantasies. Fortunately I have a team of moderators here to counter such fascistic tendencies.

Now I see you...

Okay, let's cease the schoolboy tactics.

Your style, so far as I can gather, is to launch into an attacks by applying measured doses of abusive and inflamed rhetoric. I suspect the motive it to achieve a diversion of attention. That's my guess, anyway.

To deal with specific points:

"abusive tone" I set. This from the man who began his first post on this thread:

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" You are not all ears you are all mouth and what pours forth from that orifice is neither instructive nor helpful.

You are a fool if you believe that the religious attacks on the UK, Australia and the USA have been inspired by anything other than misguided god heads hoping for a quick route to paradise and a large number of virgins...."

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Really very personally abusive and vitriolic wouldn't you say (but I'm sure you'd add 'with just cause' - or am I wrong). Sid is always very polite and measured in his posts. I don't always agree with him, but he's a gentle-man.

It seems to me that the person setting the tone here is you. And it's a pretty unpleasant tone too. But, for my sins, I have gained the impression, in double quick order, that you're mightily proud of your bombastic style and spiteful skill. A personal view, naturally.

On the comment about "fascistic tendencies" am I permitted to reference Jung's theory of "shadow projection" There are any number of internet sites that discuss this, or his Collected Works are available through the library system. It is a complex theory but the following extract is instructive:

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In explaining the shadow, "the archetype of collective evil," Walker notes,

In wartime or in any other situation of political confrontation the shadow is likely to be projected onto the enemy side, which is consequently viewed as hopelessly depraved, vicious, cruel, and inhuman...At the same time our side, having projected its shadow contents onto the enemy, appears to be all good and thoroughly justified in bombing the enemy back into the Stone Age, if necessary!

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(My italics). Citation: http://www.cgjungpage.org/index.php?option...5&Itemid=40

While the writer of this discusses the collective shadow, it remains true that the "personal shadow" acts and behaves in precisely the same fashion.

I think you are the least suited person on this board to be a moderator (that is one who exhibits "moderation; avoiding extremes; temperate in conduct or expression... - from the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary). Obviously it's nothing to do with me who are chosen as moderators and I have no control over it (nor want to have any).

In view of this, the plea I would make is to do me the kindness of staying away from me in the future. I will most certainly blank you from here on in.

There are sufficient other moderators to go round and handle any future excesses of mine, I think.

David Guyatt

PS, I am not far from Dartford in driving time and can arrange to schlep over there to meet you and discuss this more personally if you would prefer?

[Guest]

In view of this, the plea I would make is to do me the kindness of staying away from me in the future. I will most certainly blank you from here on in.

PS, I am not far from Dartford in driving time and can arrange to schlep over there to meet you and discuss this more personally if you would prefer?

Either you wish me to leave you alone or you wish to drive to Dartford to discuss matters further. Which is it to be David?

Your postings continue to be deeply presumptuous, badly informed and highly offensive but I can live with most of this.

However whilst I can cope with accusations of spitting vitriol towards poor Sidney (namby pamby though they are), I really must object to accusations of being a Tory and a Thatcherite. Whilst armchair middle class socialists were pontificating in their ivory towers in the 1980's I was on the Miner's picket line having my head caved in for Britain.

Your half baked exposition of Jungian theory was an interesting diversion but is clearly of no relevance here.

Your views on my suitability to be a moderator are noted and you are unusually accurate in your assertion that the administration of this forum is nothing to do with you.

You started this thread with the aim of peddling the idea that the terrorist attacks in the UK in the last few days "are possibly part of an Anglo-American strategy of tension that is using religious and racial differences to disguise their politically motivated domestic manipulations. " Whilst I would concede that this is possible I think you rather miss the more important point. I am especially interested in your citing of the troubles in Ireland as a further example of what you view as presumably similar machinations taking place.

What interests me about the Irish conflict in the mealy mouthed way historians, journalists and politicians project the view that it has nothing to do with religion. Catholics become "nationalists"; Protestants become "loyalists" and so on. Similarly today we have a war on "terror" rather than a war between fundamentalist American Dominion Christians and demented jihadists. Religion and our exaggerated 'respect' for it is the problem.

You did not like me earlier directing your thread in this direction and seemed most put out that school teachers (on a teacher's forum) might want to discuss religious education in this context. Your reaction was childish, offensive and deeply illiberal.

[Paul Rigby]

"Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do.... B Russell"

So, Andy, which Bertrand Russell did you have in mind? The one who repeatedly advocated - then repeatedly lied that he hadn't - the unleashing, post-WWII, of a preventative atomic holocaust on the Soviet Union? (See here for more: http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs04/russell.html )

Or the Bertrand Russell who forged the British "Who Killed Kennedy?" Committee, and wrote this piece: http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/the_critics/R...ns_Russell.html ?

Or did you have in mind someone else entirely? Pray tell!

You were, after all, making some or other powerfully persuasive point about the superiority of non-religious reason, and the moral imbecility of conspiracism.

[Guest]

You were, after all, making some or other powerfully persuasive point about the superiority of non-religious reason, and the moral imbecility of conspiracism.

Thank you I am glad I am making some progress.

Maybe Voltaire will be less confusing for you

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"

That's this Voltaire by the way

[Paul Rigby]

Maybe Voltaire will be less confusing for you: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"

Given the amount of unadulterated establishment nonsense you believe, I think a preventative watch essential. For your own good, of course.

[Guest]

Maybe Voltaire will be less confusing for you: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"

Given the amount of unadulterated establishment nonsense you believe, I think a preventative watch essential. For your own good, of course.

What a fatuous comment - whilst it is tempting to invite you to enlighten me as to what you mean, and to enquire where indeed you got the brass neck from to presume and then to project any of my "beliefs" as nonsense or otherwise , I fear it would lack interest for forum members coming here to discuss the recent terrorist attacks in London, David's theory of "tension" as I understand it, or my concerns about the dangers of the religious mindset.

[Guest David Guyatt]

Maybe Voltaire will be less confusing for you: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"

Given the amount of unadulterated establishment nonsense you believe, I think a preventative watch essential. For your own good, of course.

What a fatuous comment - whilst it is tempting to invite you to enlighten me as to what you mean, and to enquire where indeed you got the brass neck from to presume and then to project any of my "beliefs" as nonsense or otherwise , I fear it would lack interest for forum members coming here to discuss the recent terrorist attacks in London, David's theory of "tension" as I understand it, or my concerns about the dangers of the religious mindset.

I have taken this unpleasant dispute off board. You therefore have a private message from me.

David Guyatt

[Paul Rigby]

Maybe Voltaire will be less confusing for you: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"

Given the amount of unadulterated establishment nonsense you believe, I think a preventative watch essential. For your own good, of course.

What a fatuous comment - whilst it is tempting to invite you to enlighten me as to what you mean, and to enquire where indeed you got the brass neck from to presume and then to project any of my "beliefs" as nonsense or otherwise , I fear it would lack interest for forum members coming here to discuss the recent terrorist attacks in London, David's theory of "tension" as I understand it, or my concerns about the dangers of the religious mindset.

I have taken this unpleasant dispute off board. You therefore have a private message from me.

David Guyatt

You'll forgive my puzzlement, David, particularly as it was Andy Walker who intruded in the thread with a curious tirade about god heads with virgins on their mind - that's suicide bombers, I take it - when, as is perfectly clear, the London bombers were NOT suicide bombers. Correct me if I have any of that wrong?

A second point, and one I've made before: If you're going to dish it out, as Andy unquestionably did to Sid in no uncertain terms, then be prepared to cop some back. A pretty fair rule of life, debate, and anything else, I would have thought.

Paul

[Paul Rigby]

You'll forgive my puzzlement, David, particularly as it was Andy Walker who intruded in the thread with a curious tirade about god heads with virgins on their mind - that's suicide bombers, I take it - when, as is perfectly clear, the London bombers were NOT suicide bombers. Correct me if I have any of that wrong?

Great piece on yesterday's Whatreallyhappened page (July 1):

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

Was London Bomb Plot Heralded On Web?

Hours before London explosives technicians dismantled a large car bomb in the heart of the British capital's tourist-rich theater district, a message appeared on one of the most widely used jihadist Internet forums, saying: "Today I say: Rejoice, by Allah, London shall be bombed."

CBS News found the posting, which went on for nearly 300 words, on the "al Hesbah" chat room.

Posted Jul 1, 2007 10:22 AM PST

Category: COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS

Only problem is that the "al Hasbah" chat room is REGISTERED WITH A DOMAIN REGISTRATION COMPANY IN SCOTTSDALE, ARIZONA, one that hides the identity of the original registrar. (Link here: http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=http%...%2F&tld=com )

Does anyone besides me find it strange that after tracking back various "terrorist" (nudge nudge wink wink) websites to places like Texas and Virginia, all of a sudden Domains by Proxy starts up to provide "terrorist" websites with anonymity, and despite the hue and cry against anyone who supports terror and the USAPATRIOT act, Domains By Proxy isn't investigated, harassed, raided, or for that matter even mentioned in the media as an obvious facilitator of the "terrorist" websites?

I confess - I find it strange.

[Guest]

Paul

You appear to have started to quote yourself. Next you might start talking to yourself. Following this you may develop an imaginary friend - perhaps you could call him Yahweh for argument's sake.

I never 'intrude' on threads and I am quite prepared "to cop back" whatever either of you by your lights are able to dish out.

You might prefer of course to engage in rational discussion.... here's hoping at least

[Sid Walker]

Yesterday evening Australian time, I witnessed both the Australian Broadcasting Corporation and SBS TV - both public broadcasters - uncritically relay the latest official version of the latest British bomb atrocities/mysteries.

Both devoted considerable time to an analyis of how many Islamic extremists in Australia we should be concerned about.

The chain of 'reasoning' ran something like this.

- In Britain, MI5 currently keeps tabs on 3000 'Islamic extremists'

- in Australia, taking the lower size of the Moslim population into account, that amounts to a few hundreds.

- claims there are thousands of Islamic extremists in Australia who might be about the blow us (and themselves) up at any moment are exaggerated. It's mote like a few hundred.

The maths was reasonably accurate and fair minded - but that's all.

The rest of the analysis, of course, is assumption at best, downright lie at worst. The intended effect, I guess, would be to create even greater disaffection, anger and paranoia in the Islamic community, while generating even more anti-Islamic resentment, hostility and paranoia in the non-Muslim community.

Now, both SBS and the ABC ran this nonsense. I imagine something similar was running on the commercial channels.

Note the use of reverse psychology. The argument presented to the public by these spinners poses as liberalism. The storyline is: "Alarmists exaggerate when they say there are thousands of insane Muslims in Australia itching to kill us all... there are ONLY a few hundred".

In this way, the anti-Islamic extremists who have siezed control of our airwaves in a long, slow coup, pose as moderates.

Sneaky, unscrupulous and utterly evil.

[Sid Walker]

It's probably also worth pointing out that, when it comes to the WoT, Australians are expected to accept the official British narrative (relayed to us on Sky TV and the Beeb) without question.

In July 2005, London experienced some nasty bomb atrocities.

Therefore Australia legislated in late 2005 to tighten yet further our 'anti-terrorism' laws.

These happened to include prohibitions on supporting Hezbollah.

Anyone suggesting that we look a little more carefully into univestigated crimes halfway around the world before rushing to change our own laws is treated in one of two ways.

If they are 'regular Aussies', they are loony conspiracy theorists.

If they are Muslim Australians... they are (you guessed it) extremists.

Whoever thinks up these strategies, IMO, is very sick indeed.

[Sid Walker]

Oh dear.

Just when Britons were enjoying the services of overseas doctors greatly boosting the skill-base of the NHS, it transpires that that dark-skinned, friendly man bustling around the ward in a white coat may, in reality, be planning to blow up the local airport.

Neurologists seem particularly prone to this especially virulent form of the islamofascist virus (perhaps because they mess around with a lot of brains?)

According to Mr Murdoch's newspapers, one such had the audacity to drive along the Motorway with his wife. Happily the plods were on hand to stamp out this dangerous threat to western values.

See Arab doctors held over bomb plot

Mohammed Asha, 26, a second doctor who qualified in Jordan the same year, was arrested with his wife on Saturday evening when unmarked police cars blocked a motorway in northern England to stop their car.

Who writes the scripts for Britain's spooks these days?

Eric Idle?