Scientific Audio Evidence : Reveals Second Gunman in RFK Assassination

[John Simkin]

I received this from JFK Lancer:

Scientific Audio Evidence

Reveals Second Gunman in RFK Assassination

In 2004 the only known audio tape of the RFK assassination was discovered stored in the California State Archives in Sacramento, CA by an investigative journalist. Recorded by independent journalist Stanislaw Pruszynski, it is the only known audio recording that contains the actual shots fired during the shooting on June 5, 1968 in Los Angeles.

Three years ago, Philip Van Praag, an expert in the forensic analysis of magnetic media recordings, began studying the audio tape with startling results; the tape revealed between 10 and 13 shots fired. The presence of 10 shots is highly significant because Sirhan's handgun could fire no more than eight shots without reloading. Additionally, two of the shots occured so close together that they could not have been fired by the same gunman; strong evidence of a second gun being fired by someone other than Sirhan.

Van Praag will present his unique scientific testing methods and results at 4:00pm on February 21st at the American Academy of Forensic Scientists (AAFS) meeting in Washington DC. His presentation is entitled "Acoustic Analysis of Gunshot Recordings Utilizing Frequency Selective Integrated Loudness Envelope Evaluation". AAFS is the world's most prestigious forensic science organization. As a professional society dedicated to the application of science to the law, the AAFS is committed to the promotion of education and the elevation of accuracy, precision, and specificity in the forensic sciences.

Phil Van Praag's involvement in the audio field has spanned the past 45 years, with forensic analysis of magnetic media recordings included over 35 of those years. The context of his involvement in the field has been embodied both within his professional career and as a result of ongoing independent study. In that regard, he has maintained a substantial laboratory facility with considerable scientific instrumentation with which to conduct his research.

Possessing a Master of Science degree in Engineering (Electrical), Van Praag's professional employment background has included, most recently, a position of Vice President of Information Technology (IT) for the American Heart Association. Prior to that, he was the Chief Information Officer & Vice President of IT for Applied Power, Inc. He had previously worked as a Director of Information Systems at R.R. Donnelley & Sons Co., and the Technical Head of Automated Data Management at Hughes Aircraft Co. He has also held engineering related positions at Ampex Corporation as a Senior Instructor in their Professional Audio/Video Systems division, and in technical laboratory work at Bell Telephone Laboratories, Sandia National Laboratories, and IBM.

A documentary produced in June 2007 by the Discovery Television Channel addressing the audio research of Van Praag is being shown on February 29th at 1PM eastern time. The program, titled Conspiracy Test: the RFK Assassination, touches on various aspects of the RFK assassination investigation with special emphasis on the audio research of Van Praag. Stanislav Pruszynski is interviewed and tells the views how the tape came to be located in the archives. The journalist who discoverd the tape relates how he had it tested by Van Praag with alarming results.

The filmmakers decided to take the tape to Audio Engineering Associates, headed by a man named Wes Dooley for a second opinion. He came to a similar conclusion: there were too many shots on the tape for just Sirhan as the assailant. And the spacing sounded too close for one man to be firing. A firearms expert named Phil Spongenberger then tested the alleged weapon, an Iver Johnson Cadet and determined that the technicians were correct. The gun cannot be fired as quickly as the spacing indicated on the tape. This forensic discovery echoes the earlier testing done by Dr. Michael Hecker of Stanford in 1982.

[Charles Drago]

Care to learn Gerry Patrick Hemming's description of the RFK shooter?

Again, from the infamous Dallas breakfast: "He used a sleeve gun, under one of those white waiter's jackets."

[Myra Bronstein]

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Yes, important information. Along with several other bits of evidence puts final nail in coffin of SS having done it.

-Several persons saw another man with gun drawn, sometimes identified as Cesar.

-Sirhan's gun not pointed in right direction, nor correct distance to explain shots to RFK.

-Too many bullet holes at scene - probably main reason door jamb was destroyed, along with other evidence

-Cesar's gun not taken as evidence or tested and he lied about when he 'sold' it.

-inability to match bullets to supposed assassin's gun

-and several other annomalies.

The RFK is as compelling a case of a fabricated scenario as Dallas...not surpising as the same people were beind both. The RFK case is in even a bigger black-hole than is that of JFK, sadly. I think it is an easier one to 'solve'.

Then there's the niggling little detail of Coroner Thomas Noguchi's finding that the killing shot came from 2-3 inches behind Senator Kennedy's right ear, exactly where Cesar was standing, whereas Sirhan was many feet in front of the RFK.

Great post John. This is huge. And once conspiracy is proven in the RFK case, the whole thing crumbles.

Edited February 17, 2008 by Myra Bronstein

[Frank Caramelli]

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Yes, important information. Along with several other bits of evidence puts final nail in coffin of SS having done it.

-Several persons saw another man with gun drawn, sometimes identified as Cesar.

-Sirhan's gun not pointed in right direction, nor correct distance to explain shots to RFK.

-Too many bullet holes at scene - probably main reason door jamb was destroyed, along with other evidence

-Cesar's gun not taken as evidence or tested and he lied about when he 'sold' it.

-inability to match bullets to supposed assassin's gun

-and several other annomalies.

The RFK is as compelling a case of a fabricated scenario as Dallas...not surpising as the same people were beind both. The RFK case is in even a bigger black-hole than is that of JFK, sadly. I think it is an easier one to 'solve'.

Then there's the niggling little detail of Coroner Thomas Noguchi's finding that the killing shot came from 2-3 inches behind Senator Kennedy's right ear, exactly where Cesar was standing, whereas Sirhan was many feet in front of the RFK.

Great post John. This is huge. And once conspiracy is proven in the RFK case, the whole thing crumbles.

And let's not forget one of the very first eyewitness accounts of the shooting, from a KNX (now KCBS) soundman. Not exact, but I'll put it in quotes anyway. "When the shooting started, a security guard, returning fire, hit the Senator."

I now work at KCBS; I've looked high and low for footage of that night, with no success.

[Ron Ecker]

And let's not forget one of the very first eyewitness accounts of the shooting, from a KNX (now KCBS) soundman. Not exact, but I'll put it in quotes anyway. "When the shooting started, a security guard, returning fire, hit the Senator."

I now work at KCBS; I've looked high and low for footage of that night, with no success.

Wasn't his name Donald Shulman or Schulman? What became of him?

[Myra Bronstein]

...

Yes, important information. Along with several other bits of evidence puts final nail in coffin of SS having done it.

-Several persons saw another man with gun drawn, sometimes identified as Cesar.

-Sirhan's gun not pointed in right direction, nor correct distance to explain shots to RFK.

-Too many bullet holes at scene - probably main reason door jamb was destroyed, along with other evidence

-Cesar's gun not taken as evidence or tested and he lied about when he 'sold' it.

-inability to match bullets to supposed assassin's gun

-and several other annomalies.

The RFK is as compelling a case of a fabricated scenario as Dallas...not surpising as the same people were beind both. The RFK case is in even a bigger black-hole than is that of JFK, sadly. I think it is an easier one to 'solve'.

Then there's the niggling little detail of Coroner Thomas Noguchi's finding that the killing shot came from 2-3 inches behind Senator Kennedy's right ear, exactly where Cesar was standing, whereas Sirhan was many feet in front of the RFK.

Great post John. This is huge. And once conspiracy is proven in the RFK case, the whole thing crumbles.

And let's not forget one of the very first eyewitness accounts of the shooting, from a KNX (now KCBS) soundman. Not exact, but I'll put it in quotes anyway. "When the shooting started, a security guard, returning fire, hit the Senator."

I now work at KCBS; I've looked high and low for footage of that night, with no success.

Really interesting quote Frank.

Aside from the tape, likely scrubbed by now, do you have a reference for this?

Or do you just remember hearing it?

[Ron Ecker]

I looked it up, the witness was Donald Schulman, described in one book as "a CBS News employee" and in another as "a runner for KNXT-TV." He was interviewed at the scene on radio by Jeff Brant or Brent of Continental News Service. Any tape of the interview would presumably be with CNS.

From The Assassination of Robert Kennedy by Turner and Christian (pp. 161-162):

(Schulman): "A Caucasian gentleman stepped out and fired three times, the security guard hit Kennedy all three times. Mr. Kennedy slumped to the floor. They carried him away. The security guard fired back."

Brant said, "I heard about six or seven shots in succession. Is this the security guard firing back?"

"Yes, the man who stepped out fired three times at Kennedy, hit him all three times, and the security guard then fired back . . . hitting him."

[Frank Caramelli]

I looked it up, the witness was Donald Schulman, described in one book as "a CBS News employee" and in another as "a runner for KNXT-TV." He was interviewed at the scene on radio by Jeff Brant or Brent of Continental News Service. Any tape of the interview would presumably be with CNS.

From The Assassination of Robert Kennedy by Turner and Christian (pp. 161-162):

(Schulman): "A Caucasian gentleman stepped out and fired three times, the security guard hit Kennedy all three times. Mr. Kennedy slumped to the floor. They carried him away. The security guard fired back."

Brant said, "I heard about six or seven shots in succession. Is this the security guard firing back?"

"Yes, the man who stepped out fired three times at Kennedy, hit him all three times, and the security guard then fired back . . . hitting him."

You have it right, Turner and Christian is where I read it, although it probably has appeared in other books. Shulman hasn't worked here (KCBS) for decades.

[Frank Caramelli]

...

Yes, important information. Along with several other bits of evidence puts final nail in coffin of SS having done it.

-Several persons saw another man with gun drawn, sometimes identified as Cesar.

-Sirhan's gun not pointed in right direction, nor correct distance to explain shots to RFK.

-Too many bullet holes at scene - probably main reason door jamb was destroyed, along with other evidence

-Cesar's gun not taken as evidence or tested and he lied about when he 'sold' it.

-inability to match bullets to supposed assassin's gun

-and several other annomalies.

The RFK is as compelling a case of a fabricated scenario as Dallas...not surpising as the same people were beind both. The RFK case is in even a bigger black-hole than is that of JFK, sadly. I think it is an easier one to 'solve'.

Then there's the niggling little detail of Coroner Thomas Noguchi's finding that the killing shot came from 2-3 inches behind Senator Kennedy's right ear, exactly where Cesar was standing, whereas Sirhan was many feet in front of the RFK.

Great post John. This is huge. And once conspiracy is proven in the RFK case, the whole thing crumbles.

And let's not forget one of the very first eyewitness accounts of the shooting, from a KNX (now KCBS) soundman. Not exact, but I'll put it in quotes anyway. "When the shooting started, a security guard, returning fire, hit the Senator."

I now work at KCBS; I've looked high and low for footage of that night, with no success.

Really interesting quote Frank.

Aside from the tape, likely scrubbed by now, do you have a reference for this?

Or do you just remember hearing it?

I just google searched Donald Shulman and found a link to an interesting site called "Sirhan's Researcher". The search identified Shulman as a KNXT reporter, noted for publishing a guide to LAPD records on the RFK Assassination. I would assume it's the same Shulman. The text only site contains numerous links. I gonna have a look tonight after work!

[Nathaniel Heidenheimer]

I am assuming that the Discovery Channel show is the one I posted a few months ago over in the RFK Assassination Debate. Must see for those who haven't yet. I am curious to see what additional conclusions will be drawn in the press conference on Thursday.

[Frank Caramelli]

I am assuming that the Discovery Channel show is the one I posted a few months ago over in the RFK Assassination Debate. Must see for those who haven't yet. I am curious to see what additional conclusions will be drawn in the press conference on Thursday.

Do you have any details on the press conference? I'm assuming tomorrow. I'd like to cover it for our newsrooms. (KCBS/KCAL LA)

[Frank Caramelli]

I am assuming that the Discovery Channel show is the one I posted a few months ago over in the RFK Assassination Debate. Must see for those who haven't yet. I am curious to see what additional conclusions will be drawn in the press conference on Thursday.

Sorry; got it, got it. See Lemkin above.

[John Kelin]

I am assuming that the Discovery Channel show is the one I posted a few months ago over in the RFK Assassination Debate. Must see for those who haven't yet. I am curious to see what additional conclusions will be drawn in the press conference on Thursday.

Do you have any details on the press conference? I'm assuming tomorrow. I'd like to cover it for our newsrooms. (KCBS/KCAL LA)

I posted a press release to the CTKA web site last week (I'm the webmaster):

http://www.ctka.net/RFK_second-gunman.html

John Kelin

[Frank Caramelli]

I am assuming that the Discovery Channel show is the one I posted a few months ago over in the RFK Assassination Debate. Must see for those who haven't yet. I am curious to see what additional conclusions will be drawn in the press conference on Thursday.

Do you have any details on the press conference? I'm assuming tomorrow. I'd like to cover it for our newsrooms. (KCBS/KCAL LA)

I posted a press release to the CTKA web site last week (I'm the webmaster):

http://www.ctka.net/RFK_second-gunman.html

John Kelin

Thanks much. My TV station is in touch with our Washington bureau.

[Frank Caramelli]

I am assuming that the Discovery Channel show is the one I posted a few months ago over in the RFK Assassination Debate. Must see for those who haven't yet. I am curious to see what additional conclusions will be drawn in the press conference on Thursday.

Do you have any details on the press conference? I'm assuming tomorrow. I'd like to cover it for our newsrooms. (KCBS/KCAL LA)

I posted a press release to the CTKA web site last week (I'm the webmaster):

http://www.ctka.net/RFK_second-gunman.html

John Kelin

Any idea what was said today? Associated Press did not cover this. CNN and CBS network had cameras there. It does not at this time look like we will be getting any real information today; just video. Anyone go to this thing? Anyone heard what was said?